Donald Trump criticized his former VP Mike Pence again on Tuesday for not ‘overturning’ the election results, and is now claiming Pence should be investigated for failing to ‘send back’ votes in states where Trump claimed fraud.
He wrote about it in a statement from his Save America PAC – a day after saying Pence ‘did have the right to change the outcome’ and that ‘he could have overturned the Election!’
Having learned that Pence’s former chief of staff Marc Short testified before the House Jan. 6th Committee a day ago, Trump is now calling for an investigation into the vice president. He is also demanding an investigation into Nancy Pelosi, who he accuses of failing to protect the Capitol.
‘So pathetic to watch the Unselect Committee of political hacks, liars, and traitors work so feverishly to alter the Electoral College Act so that a Vice President cannot ensure the honest results of the election, when just one year ago they said that “the Vice President has absolutely no right to ensure the true outcome or results of an election,” Trump said in the statement.
In his comment, he was referring to the Electoral Count Act, the subject of election reform negotiations.
While lawmakers and scholars have criticized the law for ambiguities, the vice president is charged with overseeing the counting of electoral votes. Pence was within his rights not to accept votes certified by state officials, according to Trump. In the midst of his effort to overturn the election, Trump and some of his advisors urged Pence to take just that step.
‘In other words, they lied, and the Vice President did have this right or, more pointedly, could have sent the votes back to various legislators for reassessment after so much fraud and irregularities were found. If it were sent back to the legislators, or if Nancy Pelosi, who is in charge of Capitol security, had taken my recommendation and substantially increased security, there would have been no “January 6” as we know it!’ Trump’s statement added.
‘Therefore, the Unselect Committee should be investigating why Nancy Pelosi did such a poor job of overseeing security and why Mike Pence did not send back the votes for recertification or approval, in that it has now been shown that he clearly had the right to do so!’
The president repeated his tactics from his time in the White House, when he demanded investigations of former FBI Director James Comey, former special counsel Robert Mueller, and the entire Russia investigation as lawyers investigated his campaign ties to Russia.
President Trump went after Pence after it emerged the two men last spoke last summer – even though both have insisted there was no rift between them.
Following the Jan. 6th committee’s acquisition of Trump White House records from the National Archives, daily revelations about the last days of the Trump administration covered the topic.
As reported in Tuesday’s New York Times, Trump instructed his lawyer Rudy Giuliani to contact the Homeland Security Secretary to seize voting machines, following earlier reports that the Pentagon would be seizing the machines per Executive Order.
A Washington Post report indicates that some ripped-up presidential records have been taped back together.
During a rally in Texas on Saturday night, Trump said if re-elected, he would pardon the Jan. 6th rioters. ‘We will treat those people from January 6 fairly. We will treat them fairly,’ Trump said. ‘And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons.’
The two Republican members of the Jan. 6th Committee, Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney, decried Trump’s comments about Pence on Sunday.
Trump’s statement went on: ‘If the Vice President (Mike Pence) had “absolutely no right” to change the Presidential Election results in the Senate, despite fraud and many other irregularities, how come the Democrats and RINO Republicans, like Wacky [Sen.] Susan Collins, are desperately trying to pass legislation that will not allow the Vice President to change the results of the election? Actually, what they are saying, is that Mike Pence did have the right to change the outcome, and they now want to take that right away. Unfortunately, he didn’t exercise that power, he could have overturned the Election!’
Short, Pence’s top aide, is the latest key figure in Pence’s orbit to talk in a channel that has previously provided access to the Oval Office backstage before and during the Capitol riots. Among the witnesses who have publicly spoken to the committee, Short might be the most important. Moreover, by complying with a subpoena, he generated further friction between Pence’s team and several Trump acolytes who have defied the panel. It may be that split that finally reveals January 6’s whole story, that Trump did not incite the violence.
The testimony of an ultra-loyal aide to Pence will spark new speculation as to whether the former vice president will be called to testify. Such a step, even for an investigation such as this, would be significant. Other than Trump himself, Vice President Pence is probably the most eye-catching possible witness. Public opinion would be influenced more by his testimony than that of lower-ranking officials. However, it would also likely sabotage the balance he is trying to strike between defending his actions on January 6, 2021, and preserving his own presidential future with a GOP that has a strong, Trump-loving base.
@PELONI-
Bear’s list is one denoting the things that he hopes Trump’s new govt will focus on (and rectify). The “borders in theory only”, is out of place in this list and I believe refers to the actual state of the former border obliterated by Dems. Bear wants the real border restored as before. It’s in a mangled form.
Just my opinion.
You have a great conceit indeed about yourself for I hardly give you a thought.
If I do ever think of you it is in a very dismal fashion because I see someone who stuck a knife into the back of Netanyahu and doing a deal to have the Muslim Brotherhood in Israeli Government, where it is. It is you who has no principles as far as Jews are concerned. YOU have scratched the back of the Muslim Brotherhood. I’ll leave it there then coz cannot add to that!
@Bear
I would not oppose anything on your list, though I am not sure what “USA borders in theory” means, but I do find that the list is quite incomplete. The two central pillars of any platform behind a third Trump presidential victory would have to include the intent to secure personal autonomy and establish election security/transparency. There can be no single right more personal for anyone than to be able to control their health decisions, and there can be no more basic right for any citizen than to secure their ability to demonstrate their consent to being governed. Of course, these two measures will be opposed by many establishment politicians in both parties due to money and power, but they are fundamental to the movement behind Trump, and MAGA very definitely would expect these issues to be rectified with any Republican victory. The issues you raise are, of course, not unimportant and they will likely all be easily supported by both the MAGA and Bush wings of the party, with the exception of a secured US border and honestly supporting Israel, but as Trump demonstrated, he didn’t need the congress to succeed in either of these areas.
In truth, the idea of uniting the Republican party is not a real possibility. Like hoping oil and water might mix, you can create the image that they do, but the reality is ever present in the most basic nature of the two groups and will manifest as such with time. MAGA is a reform movement designed to restrain the unrestrained power so easily wielded by the Washington Establishment who intend to continue to do so without contest or comment. Consequently, the two wings of the Rep party have mutually exclusive outlooks, and only by one side’s complete victory, and thereby marginalizing the other side, might their differences truly be reconciled. This is why Trump’s tent needs to be as large as possible, so that the anti-Trump, pro-Globalism, Bush wing might be small enough as to not be able to prevent his agenda from being realized, as occurred in 2016. I think that Trump demonstrated in his first term that, if needed, not only is he capable of working with people who earnestly hate him to achieve his desired ends, but he actually seemed to excel at it.
@Edgar that is your take. I do not accept it as a correction but your viewpoint.
I presented what I believe!
@BEAR-
Your answer to Peloni that Trump is the leader of the Repubs, and then laying out matters he 9they) should focus on, are all very important and rightly so.
But I might make a slight correction if I may. Just my opinion, of course, but…The Republican Party as we know it, is gone. The MAGA Movement has taken over, and it seems to be morphing into a new party distinct from but taking on the real role of the Republican Party as it used to be.
What happens after Trump is something I don’t know. If not firmly established in power soon, it may, for lack of a good leader to carry on Trump’s attitudes and goals, fall back into the RINO mode.
Like Netanyahu, there is only ONE Trump. He is 76, 30+ lbs overweight, and who knows what might happen tomorrow.
#PELONI_
I had also read Sessions’ self-serving, exculpatory bluster, typical of a weak person caught in a corner.
The only one who actually might (and this is doubtful) believe such twaddle is Sessions himself.
As for the rest of your post, beautifully dissected, and laid out layer by layer to expose the whole rotten plot. Whether Sessions was merely too simple. closed minded, or a cover-my-backside individual is not even important. His impression of “playing by the rules” had \ comedic touch, considering the way the openly fraudulent opposition was sweeping it all aside.
His recusal opened the floodgates of the coup attempt. We only have to consider, what might have happened if he had not recused himself. Would he have stepped in and fired McCabe for instance, or prevented the endless, constantly extruding stream of openly baseless accusations.
Doubtful. .VERY…!!
As for BEAR facing the “nitty gritty”, he does not wish to answer your incisive, irrefutable layout, so avoids it and sidesteps to other areaa.
Clever, actually, should have been a politician.
@Peloni, Trump is clearly the leader of the GOP. It is best if the GOP is united and not fighting among itself and sub dividing.
The issues I hope get focused on by Trump and his strongest supporters are fighting the horrible things Biden, Democratic Mayors and progressives are doing domestically to the USA and in their foreign policy.
USA – CRIME OUT OF CONTROL
USA BORDER IN THEORY ONLY
ENERGY POLICY
SUPPORTING ISRAEL AND OTHER TRUE ALLIES
KEEPING TAXES LOW OR LOWERING THEM
REGULATIONS THAT HAMPER FREEDOM AND TRADE
This statement and its lack of veracity is really the crux of the matter regarding Sessions’ recussal.
1. Was his recusal required by law?
2. Was Trump exonerated due to the recusal?
3. Did the protect the rule of law?
The answer to all three was no.
1. Was his recusal required by law? No!
Sessions was very supportive of Trump during the election and the first Senator to endorse Trump’s candidacy. Unlike Pence, Sessions was not an operative of the deep state design to destroy Trump, quite the opposite. Consequently, the deep state cabal needed a pretext to remove Trump’s AG in order to carry out the first leg of the coup against Trump. Sessions was “advised” by the DOJ to recuse himself – yes, the same DOJ under which the first two illegal FISA applications were filed which permitted operation Crossfire Hurricane to begin spying on the Trump campaign. The statute cited required no such recusal from Sessions. The investigation was a counter-espionage case and not a criminal prosecution. There was no requirement of recusal required by law associated with counter-espionage investigations. Andrew McCarthy, not Trump’s greatest supporter by far, discussed the details some months after the recusal here:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/06/jeff-sessions-recusal-unnecessary/
The irony of this situation is beyond description. Sessions sought out legal advice from career “ethic” experts from within the DOJ to confirm if he needed to recuse himself from the investigation that was started with no ethical basis to begin with by experts within the DOJ…Does anyone actually understand the punchline in that story told by Trump about the snake?… You know, the one that ends with, “I am a snake you know”.
2. Was Trump exonerated due to the recussal? No!
Trump was not exonerated due to Session’s recusal and this suggestion is both absurd and damaging to the concept of justice in general. Unjust justice is no justice at all and this was the entire basis of the recusal and the Crossfire Hurricane investigation. The attorney general was not set aside so that an honest investigation could be obtained because their never was any honest crime to investigate and this was entirely known prior to the investigation by those involved in the investigation. Hence, Session’s recusal did not secure Trump’s acquittal, but rather it assured the prosecutorial misconduct employed as a coup that has come to be described as the Russia hoax. Trump’s entire life was placed under a microscope by a prosecutor with political aims of finding anything to charge him. It also placed the lives of his colleagues, associates and family under the same microscope, and all of this was completed without any proper predicate to do so – a legal phrase that requires a motivation to conduct the investigation in the first place. The investigations against dozens of targets including Trump and those around him went forward without a proper predicate precisely due to the fact that the rats who were responsible for manufacturing the false pretext were also the same rats running the investigation, and this was entirely due to Sessions’ recusal which they arranged with Sessions’ cooperation. Trump was exonerated, but it was not due to any actions or inactios taken by Sessions. It was because the microscopic review of Trump did not provide any evidence to support a charge of a crime.
3. Did it protect the rule of law? No!
The rule of law requires an obeisance of the law. Using a political witch hunt as a tool to control, manipulate or unseat a public official, as was the only basis of the Russia Hoax, is not protecting the rule of law and this entire legal perversion was the very result of Sessions’ choice to recuse himself and allow this miscarriage of justice to be put into motion. The personal attacks in the form of prosecutorial misconduct aimed at the dozens of targets surrounding Trump was directly due to Jeff Session’s cooperation with the very Swamp which Trump ran against and for which Trump received Sessions’ endorsement. Sessions made it easy on himself by stepping aside, as he would not need to assert his independence to oversee the investigation which his office demanded he do. Instead he left it to the Swamp-rats to sort out without any review. Hence, Sessions would not become the target of the Left, carrying the leveraged weight of the law on his back. He missed all of that as the legal system was turned on its head and many things that should have been kept in a proper legal frame were distorted to achieve political aims. In truth, the idea that his recusal protected the rule of law is among the most perverse self-serving assertions that could ever be made in Sessions’ defense.
@Felix simply keep your word and do not post and you longer have to worry about me!
Have no honor that you can not keep your word?
Yes of course I was insulted by your comments. Is that something for you the insulter to gloat over? Why are you like this? As a man what makes you tick?
@Felix so my comments bothered you good! Wrong about the Steele dossier by the way. They were framing Trump in the whole Russian hoax.
I just want you to be a man of your word Felix. Several years ago you said you would never comment on Israpundit again. So keep your word and get lost!
@Michael I do not believe in Mandates. Hagler’s wife and family says he did not die from any vaccination.
Someone wants to believe differently what do I care.
Someone wants to believe the Moon is made of cheese what do I care.
I will sleep fine if many many people believe differently than I do on many subjects.
This is quite awful coming from the person who called me very bad names which I shrugged off. Now politics makes it clearer.
How can anyone defend Sessions? It was not anything to do with legal process but a question of defense of Trump from obvious lies against Trump.
See this guy BK calls me insulting named (choosing his moment just after Mr Editor had insulted me)
Now it’s clearer when he defends Sessions who if he had any integrity would have put a stop to all, investigation of Steele, ALL contacts of Steele, the disgusting P tape, and role of Hillary. YOU are the problem.
@BEAR-
And heve you heard the “confirmed” multitude of reports, and examples by the thousands, which say that boxing is by far the most corrupt sport in the World..
And thosenon fighters who benefit from it, are more corrupt than the boxers themselves. Families become tainted with the virus..not THAT Virus.
@BEAR-
Wrong AGAIN…?? You haven’t shown me wrong the first time yet. By the way, I had read in a boxing magazine, that Tommy Hearns,the famous “Hit Man” Hearns, also an all-time great champion and a once opponent and later closest friend of Hagler, announced on his social media page, that it was the Vaccine,. He was visiting with him at the time and also when he got the chest pains and was rushed to hospital.. He was sitting beside him in the ICU when he died 4 hours after admission,.
Hearns later said that tis was not a part of an antivaxxers campaign and the champ should be left to repose in peace.
Tthe ICU ws in a hospital in Italy, , where he lived 90% of the time. He was also an Italian film actor, his 2nd Kay an Italian former actress.
but the grieving widow Kay, later announced, that he “passed peacefully” in our home -in New Hampshire……….Maybe they had an ICU there too…
The unconfirmed “rumours” of course were denied by Kay, because she had a(n) “uncomfirmed” meeting with 3 Moderna executives.
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I found the news about Marvin, whom I followed from his very first fight through his whole career on a boxing site where it was fully
discussed. This can be “confirmed”…by me. I have more information, but see no point in giving it to an unbeliever.
Bear,
here is an excellent video
https://rumble.com/embed/vrfopu/?pub=3ehgr
about the Anti-Mandate Convoy. It finishes, with a video from Edgar’s own BC, Canada. The woman with the bullhorn rightly says,
“This is not about your health. This is about CONTROL.”
What we are all witnessing, including with the convoy, is a world-wide contest between unscrupulous people who want to control our lives to our own hurt, and the courageous minority (including the truckers) who dare to stand against it. COVID has been an excuse. Masks have been an excuse. “Protection from terrorists” has been and excuse. “Russia Russia Russia” has been an excuse. The root problem has been an contest driven by greed and fear; also, coincidentally (?) between Truth and Lies. In this, there is no difference, save personalities, between what is happening now all over the world, and what happened in Germany and elsewhere in the 1930s;
AND THE STAKES ARE JUST AS DEADLY NOW, AS THEY WERE THEN.
@Edgar, wrong again.
https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/marvin-hagler-death-natural-causes-covid-20210317.html
I hope Trump if he does run quits focusing on the past election and just points out what a miserable job Biden is doing. Then proceed to tell us what he will do improve things. He certainly is much more capable than Biden.
I think this strategy will be the best one to win the election.
Ghosts of the past: Everyone pleads “not guilty”. True judgment will come, from the True Judge.
https://youtu.be/ptJ8x9AERwA
@BEAR-
By the way Bear, about the Moderna; wonderful news…..except for that all -time-great middleweight champion Marvelous Marvin Hagler, who died very suddenly a day or so after getting the Moderna jab. Taken to hospital with chest pains etc…..then Gone. Peak healthy condition- 66 years old.
@BEAR-
I don’t regard it as official. There is no stamp on it. After all, what office do you hold, and I hold none either. Let’s says that it’s a personal disagreement.
I know I’m right and I know you’re wrong. I see you are side-stepping the list of precedents that I referred to, although you said you were following the precedents. Are they also “Gone With The Wind”..
But that was not true because you’d have had to have come to the same conclusion as myself. You must have been a great dancer in the past, the side-step being your “piece de resistance..”
You could give us all lessons on it.
@Bear The 12th Amendment says:
:
What would be the point of the Veep, who is President of the Senate, doing the counting and making such efforts at transparency, if it’s not up to him whether to certify those votes as kosher?
@Edgar it is now official we completely disagree on the subject.
@BEAR-
Such a polite turn down……Why do you say I was giving an opinion. You KNOW that my opinion would be useless, since I am not any kind of Constitutional scholar. You have an exceptional talent for using the wrong words -and making them sound right-almost..
At least you agree that Pence’s exculpatory drivel is merely his “viewpoint”…which doesn’t make it a fact.. and your brlirf is only your belief
I was not giving an opinion. I was stating a fact based on the “historical precedents” you mention. At least I assume that we are talking about the same precedent list that I referred to, although, with you, I can’t be sure..
And if you are, why do you still accept Pence’s self-serving nose-drip..They show he was wrong. Besides, Pence had agreed that he was empowered to act, and promised to do so, only hours before.
You surely can not believe that his renegade actions were not planned, and that he was not acting as a deeply placed RINO operative. He’s been in politics nearly 40 years-a career politician. So had to have long-term contacts with other career politicians both Rep and Dem, most of whom were anti-Trump, but followed their constituents’ demands, so as to keep their seats..
@Edgar, thanks for your opinion. I will take Pence’s view point and all the historical precedent.
I believe Pence did the correct thing according to law and precedent.
@BEAR-
Pence is wrong, he is “splitting hairs”, and is covering his backside because he intends to stand for Pres in 2024. Have you not seen the string of learned opinions on his negative actions. The consensus is that the Constitution is ambiguous on this point, but they also showed a list of former elections where the decisions as to whether certain votes were valid or not, were referred to the VP for him to decide, in his official capacity.
Besides, just the day before he had accepted his authority and agreed to act as he should have.
How Trump’s anger at AG grew: ‘It’s all because you recused’
Sessions at a much later date told Trump
“Look, I know your anger, but recusal was required by law. I did my duty & you’re damn fortunate I did,” Sessions tweeted. “It protected the rule of law & resulted in your exoneration.”
Sessions was the first big name politician to endorse Trump. I think highly of the man and I believe he got thrown under the bus because he would not jump high enough when Trump said jump. I know that some other commentators here do not agree with me and that is okay and anticipated.
My goal in commenting is not to please everyone (nor to be considered reasonable by someone else’s judgment) but simply state what I think is true and reasonable.
@Peloni I agree with you on Trump about the vaccines. By the way the Moderna is is fully approved and not considered experimental.
@PELONI-
Thank you very much for your compliments. They mean a lot , coming from you. About Trump, along with his decisive, no time to waste persona, I’ve always felt he was nothing like a politician but more
like a superb businessman who lies to get into the thick of it. A Master Trouble Shooter. Have a look, right away see the problem, perhaps knew about it already, has a fix on it’s way
Yes, on another of your points, the man is a genius.
All that ruined, along with his great country, on it’s way to becoming far far better And getting worse. !
Great discussion.
I usually agree with Peloni. and do so in this case.
@Bear
You just told me you would not read my comment on Pence, twice, and in the same moment asked me to comment on Trump. You’re obviously free to read what you find relevant, but the inconsistency in that statement left me somewhat puzzled. Frankly, I failed to see the point in writing what you would likely not read.
Trump’s support of the vaccine is that of an advocate, but not that of a dictator. Trump is no absolutist and he will not force these biological experiments upon the people, period. He may support the vaccine and he may even block its removal from the marketplace, and I find that disturbing enough. That being stated, I have always stated that if people want to take an experimental vaccine with unknown consequences for them or their loved ones, let them have it and its consequences. Who am I to tell them not to poison themselves due to the success of strong propaganda. I am quite content in the knowing that Trump will not force these shots on the people. Should treatments be permitted to be dispensed, the ill will be treated and the deaths will stop – the vaccine will become obsolete and the many ills that are associated with it will become too great to ignore, even if some will still suggest the unveiled vaccine injuries are due to the weather.
Trump is very smart, he is honest (sometimes being too honest) and he holds a strong sense of personal liberty. He remade the world in a vision that put many things on a fair balance that have not seen any balance in many decades. His victimization by both the deep state and the election fraud will make him the greatest therapeutic to eliminate them both. He has stood the test of demonstrating his devotion to the things that I hold most dear, and he paid a great price for doing so. No other person can actually claim this to be the case, and no other politician would likely ever even try to do so under similar circumstances. Some people find Trump’s ego too great to bear, but I find it to be the key to why he has always been successful in obtaining his heart’s desire. Seeing that his sense of right, reason and values are well matched to my own, I find him to be a great choice to support, and so I do support him. He is no more perfect than the rest of us, but perfection is not among the personal assets I find to be most endearing in a leader nor to be most durable in anyone.
@Edgar
Wooden Indian, LOL, that is perfect, you have truly captured the real Sessions.
I agree that Bear is usually reasonable on most topics and I have said as much on many occasions. He does seem to repeatedly state he likes much of what Trump has done but seems to lean more towards the old Republican Party types – just my personal observation and perhaps I am incorrect in this. Trump was a reformer as opposed to these others who are part of the new breed of the old guard that have supported constant wars to no end, a never ending peace process which could never lead to anything but war, while fully supporting Arabs intolerance of Israel. These establishment Reps have no stomach for really extinguishing terrorism because it makes for too good a start of another war and a good deal of profit for the right people. Personally, l see these Bush acolytes as very weak tea, which seems to spoil the pot, far too often. To support them as POTUS will have us back with Bush all over again, and I would never support them, even if they weren’t complicit in the coup, which is unlikely in my opinion.
As you wisely pointed out, Lindsey Graham, who I was once quite fond, should not be trusted with any sensitive position, like a drunken uncle looking for the good silver to trade for one more drink. For all his bluster and all his Senatorial authority, including subpoena power, he only proved that he was absolutely full of crap. For six months he went on Fox News telling Maria Bartiromo and others how he was going to get to the bottom of the Russia Hoax and other things and never seemed to do more than talk about doing it. I think he called three people, asked mediocre questions, even supplementing Rod Rosensteins answers for him at one point, and then dropped the ball entirely while still campaigning on how he needed to be re-elected so he could get to the bottom of things, again. It’s like a bad joke, too often told. Maria told him as much after the election and it was a priceless look on poor unexpecting Lindseys face.
By the way, I think your batting average on accuracy is pretty good, and I particularly appreciate your sense of humor.
@PELONI-
Bravo…That’s telling it like I should have done. Sessions made himself into a Zero, a “nobody-at-home” effigy. Something like Twain’s “wooden Indian that stood outside cigar stores”.
Also, it’s newly surprising to me that Bear, sometimes posts not “quite” exact, I now feel, although not obvious- a deliberate bias.
I always accepted Bear’s “straightening out”, the emet, and only lately taking a closer look. Still he’s pretty reasonable.
(I myself am not always accurate, but in good faith-except when my sense of humour takes over).
@Edgar
Well described! I have to admit that I always liked Sessions, as he was hard not to like. But he sent the nation into a disorienting tizzy of political shenanigans on which the US has still not heard the full story.
The idea that Sessions had to recuse himself simply because he spoke to the Russian ambassador was absurd. After Pence’s curious overstep in firing Flynn for “lying”, the recusal of the AG had the effect of placing the pallor of guilt over the entire Trump administration, and left Sessions in the vestigial position of occupying the AG while not performing the role in the biggest case before this or any administration – an attempted coup on a barely seated POTUS. If Sessions felt so compromised as to require his recusal, he should have resigned and done the POTUS and the country a greater service than acting as a political lock for the Special Council, with the only possible solution to this foul situation being for Trump to fire him, a political impossibility before the midterms. The country needed an AG and instead they had an empty chair. Sessions knew Trump wanted him gone, and yet he remained. Whatever the reason that held him in not releasing that position, it greatly disadvantaged the president just as it greatly damaged the country. The lack of any control over the unfolding investigation directly led to the midterm loss of the house and the many things that developed due to the Dems return to power in the House.
Trump had every right to back Sessions’ opponent in the Senate race, and he would have been a fool to have done anything else. How could Trump or any supporter of MAGA ever think to support Sessions in any position more sensitive than dog catcher after he so badly served the nation in hamstringing the Trump administration, which is why the election was an enormous landslide against Sessions.
@ BEAR-
I recall all that but not as you say. Sessions made it clear that he had a couple of conversations with the Russian Ambassador and nothing was discussed about Trump’s campaign but something about Ukraine. I’m a bit hazy about this part, but that’s what I recall.
Also all the Dems, who knew what had been planned were denouncing him as lying. Then Lindsay Graham stuck his nose into it, and said that Sessions should recuse himself, which was as good as saying he didn’t believe him, and was supporting the Dems, who had long before, shown open anti-Trump political warfare by any means, was their agenda. .
At that time Graham, who had been very reluctant, firmly sitting-on-the-fence and resisting calls to support Trump, had belatedly jumped on the Trump bandwagon, so was the new poster boy for the Repubs, attaining a reputation as Mr. Republican, he hardly deserved.
So Sessions recused himself, thereby allowing the whole long planned Russia Russia plot to get going, with Muller pursuing Trump and associates for 2/12 years, over something he knew was a fake. You may recall that when Muller was under Senate questioning about the Russia investigation, he seemed as if he’d suddenly developed Alzheimers, looking bewildered and not recalling anything, except that he found nothing to condemn Trump for.
Which everybody knew already. He answered nothing about the investigation that would reveal it’s spurious basis, although he knew all about it. And got away with it.
So there was a lot more to it than just Trump being angry with Sessions for recusing himself, at a time when he was most needed to do his duty..
@Edgar, Trump got livid with Sessions because recused himself from hearing about the Russian hoax because he was in some of the meetings. He is an ethical man and thought his job was to the US government as head of the Justice Department and he was not the White House Counsel.
Edgar, nice try!!
@Peloni so you diverted my questions, while claiming I was doing the same. You did not answer one question about Trump. Why?
Frankly about Pence I have still not read your stuff, for the reasons I cited earlier. I actually think based on what observed of him during his tenure as VP he did not need defending.
@peloni
You omit one crucial fact – that both Trump and Giuliani riled up the crowd and gave them the idea to go and protest the “unfair” elections (for which both of them got a slap on the wrist, not a criminal persecution unlike the useful idiots who actually went to the Capitol to disrupt the proceedings).
Based on your argument, both Trump and Giuliani were in on it or they were provoked to do what they did by some nefarious means.
BTW, for your information, informants and provocateurs are present at every protest, especially at the very large ones usually sponsored by some multi-billionaires, like brothers Koch.
I suspect this is the reason you need to register or get permission for your demonstration with the police, so they can get ready.
Also, Trump didn’t merely promote the vaccine, he threatened to punish the FDA if it didn’t approve it with Warp Speed!
@ BEAR-
I recall Sessions very well, Trump appointed him because he was a loyal Repub, and therefore, strong Trump supporter. But he was old before his time, highly inactive, quiet, withdrawn, and totally ineffective. Trump stuck with him long after he was called on to replace him. Trump, of course, by then was deeply bogged down by the false Dems continuous coup attempts..
The fact is that Sessions, a nice, kind, grandfatherly man, should never have been appointed to that increasingly important position.
A perfect example of the “Peter Principle”:…
And trump, at first was touting HCQ as the cure all and himself took it regularly. But was overconvinced by the medical “brains”..
@Bear
I find it interesting that you wish to continue to list your critique of Trump, a man that we would all be greatly revealed to have as POTUS once again, while offering no defense of the “loyal and ethical” Pence on whom this thread began… The Republicans have many swamp creatures in their midsts and as I have suggested, Pence was very likely one of them as I have listed many examples and concerns of his duplicity. There are more examples listed in the Emerald Robinson article cited below in the first posting on this page as well.
The punt and divert tactic you are employing is suggestive of someone who is unable to defend their statement. I know you well enough to know that this is not typical of you, but I can not help recognize your reluctance to keep the topic on Pence while drifting to Trump again.
@Peloni do you think Trump is correct on vaccines? He is pro vaccine! He funded them.
By the way I like what Trump accomplished on regulations, taxes and Israel in particular. Do not like that he jumps on big supporters starting with the first attorney general Jeff Sessions. There is a long list. Was Trump correct in all his blasting of these people? Start with Sessions?
To my knowledge Russian Hoax was started by Hillary Clinton’s people not Pence. Your long writing is not interesting to read or digest. So no response.
@Bear
Trump can do no wrong? Really? You often try to label me and never fail to fail in trying to do so accurately. I believe that fair criticisms are fair but most fail to voice fair criticisms of him.
I am in the camp that actually looks at what was accomplished in the four years Trump was president while a series of palace coups were conducted to obstruct and derail his every policy move. The successes would be remarkable had he had the full cooperation of the entire govt, congress and courts. Despite these great successes thought, I can find things to cite that he should have done and failed to do, and not fantasies or imagined nonsense as most seem to do.
Let’s begin with the fact that Trump chose the “loyal but ethical” Pence as VP who helped start the Russia hoax and who surrounded himself with anti-Trump allies who one after another attacked Trump behind the scenes or in the broad light of day, while playing significant roles in the Ukraine Impeachment and the numerous leaks within the White House. Trump also failed to reform the FBI and DOJ which led to the election fraud and Jan 6. He gave Fauci a public platform rather than firing him for gross incompetence if for no other reason, and there were other reasons.
It is no trick to look at a man’s record and find things that could have or should have been done or done better. Details such as I shared are important and fair to criticize fairly. Hence, I find it to be remarkable that when people choose to criticize Trump, they either use some fake new source or Leftist book peddler as the basis to form some bizarre claim that has no basis beyond the single source, such as when it was claimed that Trump is somehow actually antisemic – such crap nonsense seems to fill every critique of the man and I think calling balls and strikes is fair game but only because the criticisms are actually fair.
In any event, my criticisms of Pence have nothing at all to do with Trump, and I did notice you changed the topic rather than respond to any of them.
@Bear Klein
I think that’s unfair and irrelevant here. Did you read the Emerald Robinson article peloni1986 cited? Can you provide different answers to the questions asked? Or are these all just amazing coincidences?
@Peloni, I know you disagree with me. I accept that.
You are in the camp that Trump can do no wrong. Anything he does is acceptable.
Anyone that does say how high when he says jump is disloyal.
@Bear
“Loyal but ethical man” eh?
There was an insurrection planned and executed on Jan 6 which was completely coordinated around the pretext of anger surrounding Pence’s “loyal and ethical” decision. This insurrection included govt actors including FBI informants, yeah, the same FBI who set off the Russia probe following Pence firing Flynn under very mysterious circumstances.
Let’s presume that on Jan 6 Pence felt he did not have the right to send the electors back to the states to validate the will of the State Legislatures – the law is clearly ambiguous and based on this fact alone, he could have halted the overthrow of the US govt, but let’s ignore the fact that he chose to install the current regime instead.
Was it just by chance that an insurrection that was staged at the Capital was coordinated around his choice even though he stated to the President he would do the opposite? Why did he keep his party, his president and his country in suspense and only publicly reveal this “loyal but ethical” choice on the morning of Jan. 6 after specifically stating otherwise to Trump in front of witnesses? How could the seditious elements within the US govt used Pence’s decision as a pretext to execute a false flag event in front of the Capital Building when he was on record to the president to intend to do the complete opposite until Jan 6. These seditious govt operatives were assembled and coordinated in advance of Jan 6 and had to have prior knowledge well in advance of Pence’s Jan 6 proclamation. However Pence’s choice came to be known to the FBI and others, it also included the cooperation of the Congressional leaders because the Capital assault plan required a lack of security around the Capital, and the Congressional leaders purposefully had less security surrounding the Capital than DisneyLand has at any one of their parades. Additionally, the Captial Police who were present coordinated public entry into the Capital Building which had its magnetically sealed doors conspicuously unlocked and open while the staged “attack” was being conducted. The planned operation by the insurrectionists went off like clockwork and absolutely required prior knowledge of the “loyal and ethical” decision that Pence was to make.
In spite of all of this, however, there was no coup that took place on Jan 6. Instead, the coup that took place in the US was on Nov. 3. To control the outrage of the public and more specifically the weak kneed Congressmen, those involve in the coup staged the Jan 6 “attack” on the Capital. But it required certain foreknowledge of Pence’s “loyal and ethical” decision well in advance. Consequently, there is a great deal that needs to be investigated on Jan 6, but to do so requires a perfect understanding of how Pence’s choice, only released at the hour of the attack, was known by the insurrectionists at least days to weeks in advance of him making his President, his Party and his people aware of his “loyal and ethical” choice.
So a loyal but ethical man Pence who believes in the Constitution is being beaten up because he did not believe it was right or constitutional not to accept the electoral votes.
Sorry, I loved the policies of Trump for the most part. The demand to act according to anything he dictates belongs in a dictatorship or monarchy!
From Antrim report on Dominion in 2020 election:
blockquote>…the Dominion Voting System is intentionally and purposefully designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results,” Russell Ramsland Jr., co-founder of Allied Security Operations Group, said in a preliminary report. “The system intentionally generates an enormously high number of ballot errors.
“The electronic ballots are then transferred for adjudication. The intentional errors lead to bulk adjudication of ballots with no oversight, no transparency, and no audit trail.
“Based on our study, we conclude that The Dominion Voting System should not be used in Michigan… We further conclude that the results of Antrim County should not have been certified.”
https://www.thestandardsc.org/jay-greenberg/judge-releases-dominion-audit-report-system-designed-to-create-systemic-fraud/
Anyone unfamiliar with the role played by Pence in the administration should read Emerald Robinson’s latest post here:
https://emeralddb3.substack.com/p/the-treachery-of-vp-mike-pence-explained?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjozODI1NDcxNiwicG9zdF9pZCI6NDc5ODU1NjgsIl8iOiJqUERMTCIsImlhdCI6MTY0Mzc4ODY3OCwiZXhwIjoxNjQzNzkyMjc4LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMjYzMDYzIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.OpKjpunYnAj-gGlhHeAjJdi5SCAoReJ4U5NGNeecv60
Robinson has been a consistent critic of Pence and she offers a good bit of review of the many roles played by Pence and his staff in undermining Trump, from the curious details surrounding the firing of Mike Flynn which setup the Russia hoax to their role in supporting the Ukraine scandal to the details surrounding Jan. 6.