By Ted Belman 1.1.17
In 2011, Newt Gingrich said “The Palestinians are an invented people.” He was right. So why are they entitled to a state?
In 1964, the Palestine Liberation Organization was formed to liberate Palestine through armed struggle. But it took years for the notion of a Palestinian people to crystalize. In 1967, they were not recognized as such, nor were they considered a party to the conflict. Security Council Resolution 242 passed after the ’67 war, made no mention of them.
But in 1969, the State Department tabled the Rogers Plan:. It provided: “We believe its just settlement must take into account the desires and aspirations of the refugees and the legitimate concerns of the Governments in the area.” whereas Res 242 simply required a “just settlement of the refugee issue”. It also stressed the “inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war” as set out in the recital ignoring the fact that recitals do not create obligations.
In 1978, when the peace treaty with Egypt was being finalized, Pres Carter pushed PM Begin to agree to create a Palestinian state in five years. Begin refused but did agree to give them autonomy only.
Pres Reagan, who followed Carter, continued the pressure on Israel to create a Palestinian state. Jewish Virtual Library reports on the Reagan Plan (1982):
“Unknown to Israel, the Reagan administration was preparing a new diplomatic initiative for the Middle East, designed to renew the peace process, deal with the Palestinian issue, improve Israel-Egypt relations and provide impetus for Jordan to join the peace process. It was also aimed at pleasing those Arab states who had accepted PLO . evacuees from Beirut and signaling them that the U.S. was not satisfied solely with their departure from Beirut, but was seeking an overall solution.”
When PM Begin finally heard of the plan he said, “It is the saddest day of my life”.
The Reagan plan called for direct negotiations, an interim period of self-government and then ultimately an alliance with Jordan rather than a Palestinian State. He also called for an immediate freeze on settlement construction and for an undivided Jerusalem, the fate for which to be decided by negotiations.
The US as a matter of policy, promoted the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people and forced Israel to accept them in peace discussions at the Madrid Conference in 1991.
Israel wanted to deal only with the Arabs in the territories but the US kept insisting that the PLO be involved because she wanted a voice for the Arab refugees outside of the territories. This pressure led Israel to come forward with her own Plan namely the Oslo Accords. She wanted it to apply only to the local Arabs but Pres Clinton insisted that the PLO be involved and that Israel accept back 40,000 of their terrorists and their leadership who has been rescued from Beirut by Reagan and deposited in Tunisia for safe keeping.
In 1993, Israel signed, along with them, the Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements (Oslo I) and in 1995 the Interim Agreement on the West Bank (Oslo II), but these Accords made no mention of giving them a state.
Surprisingly, President George W. Bush gave it an official nod for the first time in his vision speech of 2002. This speech came about in response to enormous pressure from Saudi Arabia which was demanding the creation of such a state. Even so, it was conditioned on the Palestinians fighting terror, not aiding it or abetting it. In fact, there were many other pre-conditions to the creation of the state. But the US and the world quickly forgot about the preconditions and went forward with the idea that the Palestinians were entitled to a state.
Then in 2004, Bush gave a very important letter of assurances to PM Sharon in order to support his plans for disengagement.
“The United States will do its utmost to prevent any attempt by anyone to impose any other plan. Under the roadmap, Palestinians must undertake an immediate cessation of armed activity and all acts of violence against Israelis anywhere, and all official Palestinian institutions must end incitement against Israel. The Palestinian leadership must act decisively against terror, including sustained, targeted, and effective operations to stop terrorism and dismantle terrorist capabilities and infrastructure. Palestinians must undertake a comprehensive and fundamental political reform that includes a strong parliamentary democracy and an empowered prime minister.
“Second, there will be no security for Israelis or Palestinians until they and all states, in the region and beyond, join together to fight terrorism and dismantle terrorist organizations. The United States reiterates its steadfast commitment to Israel’s security, including secure, defensible borders, and to preserve and strengthen Israel’s capability to deter and defend itself, by itself, against any threat or possible combination of threats.[..]
“As part of a final peace settlement, Israel must have secure and recognized borders, which should emerge from negotiations between the parties in accordance with UNSC Resolutions 242 and 338.”
In this letter, which amounted to a contract, Bush committed the US to prevent any other plan being imposed. He also committed the US to Israel’s security and reiterated Israel’s right to defensible borders. By affirming Res 242, he was affirming that Israel need not vacate 100% of the land. The Arabs were livid.
Within a couple of months of his inauguration in 2009, Pres Obama repudiated this contract. In response to this and other indicators, I wrote that Obama intended to impose a solution on Israel in 2009. I explained that he had to repudiate it because the contract, if allowed to stand, committed the US to oppose the imposition of any other plan.
Obama then forced Netanyahu to recognize a Palestinian right to a state in his Bar Ilan Speech in June 2009 in which Netanyahu said:
“In my vision of peace, in this small land of ours, two peoples live freely, side-by-side, in amity and mutual respect. Each will have its own flag, its own national anthem, its own government. Neither will threaten the security or survival of the other.”
He went on to stipulate two demands or preconditions: namely the new state must be demilitarized and must recognize Israel as the State of the Jewish people. This was the first time Netanyahu or his party embraced the two state solution. Obama was satisfied even with all the pre-conditions and stipulations. He got what he wanted. He would ignore the stipulations. And this resolution does just that.
Next, he backed the Arab Peace Initiative, which called for 100% withdrawal, contrary to Res 242, albeit with mutually agreed swaps.
Then he demanded a complete building freeze, even in Jerusalem. Even so he could not get any concessions from either the Arab League or from the PA as compensation. Having no other choice, he backed the PA’s demand that, as the price of the PA entering negotiations, Israel should release over 100 Arab prisoners with blood on their hands. Israel agreed, though no one had any expectations that the PA would compromise. This prisoner release was in effect another freebie for them.
After strenuous efforts to achieve an agreement, Obama backed off but demanded that there be a continued freeze and nothing be done to make untenable the two-state solution.
But he hadn’t given up. By engineering the passage of Security Council Resolution 2334 declaring “the establishment by Israel of settlements in the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, has no legal validity” and demanding 100% withdrawal, he, in effect, was getting the Security Council to back his parameters for a peace agreement, namely ’67 lines plus swaps, with a divided Jerusalem.
This, in other words, is a demand by the international community that all lands east of the ’67 lines be free of Jews (judenrein, as the Nazis used to put it). That would include the Jewish neighborhoods in the eastern part of Jerusalem. Thus, the lands east of the ’67 lines must be ethnically cleansed of the 900,000 Jews that live there. A majority of which Jews were born there.
The Security Council underlined “that it will not recognize any changes to the 4 June 1967 lines, including with regard to Jerusalem, other than those agreed by the parties through negotiations….” Thus the Jews were denied the Temple Mount, the Old City, including the Jewish Quarter, the Holy Basin and the Western Wall, otherwise known as the Kotel.
This resolution completely overturned Res 242, which was passed 50 years ago and which was the cornerstone of all subsequent initiatives like the Oslo Accords, the Roadmap and the Bush letter of ’04. Throughout this entire period, all US presidents stressed the need for direct negotiations to settle all disputes. Any concessions that Israel made along the way were conditioned on the basis of direct negotiations to come.
This resolution removed from such negotiations, the ultimate borders, the fate of the settlements, the requirement that the borders be defensible and whether to create a state.
In the Oslo Accords, Israel made major concessions to the Palestine Liberation Organization representing the Arabs by inviting them into the territories and granting them autonomy in Areas A and B as demarcated by the Accords, believing that all Israeli safeguards in the Accords would protect her. Keep in mind that the Accords did not promise the Arabs a state nor did they proscribe settlement activity.
Prior to signing these Accords, Israel insisted that the PLO accept Res 242 as binding. This was important to Israel because it stipulated that Israel need only withdraw to “recognized and secure boundaries”. This new resolution negates all Israeli safeguards but not the concessions made by Israel. To do so is unconscionable.
On the one hand, the UN continually accuses Israel of violating international law and declares the settlements illegal by international law; yet, on the other hand, it ignores salient facts and binding contracts. The resolution thus violates the international legal order itself. The UN should be governed by law not by caprice.
Another example of invoking a law that doesn’t exist is the clause which cites “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force”. Howard Adelman makes short shrift of this proposition. There is no such law.
This resolution is built upon the proposition that the settlements are illegal by international law. But what if they aren’t? The UN holds that the lands in question are subject to the Fourth Geneva Convention, which applies whenever a High Contracting Party (HCP) i.e., a country which signed the convention, belligerently occupies the land of another HCP. But in this case the lands in question were not the land of a HCP but were unallocated land under the Palestine Mandate.
PM Netanyahu appointed a commission consisting of one retired High Court Judge and two senior lawyers to study the matter. In 2014, it issued the Levy Report, which concluded that the FGC does not apply. But even if it does apply, it doesn’t prevent Jews from voluntarily settling on the lands. And keep in mind that the Palestine Mandate gave Jews the right of close settlement on these lands, which right has never been terminated, nor can it be.
This matter has never been determined by a court of competent jurisdiction and thus the UN has no right to treat it as settled law.
To use the vernacular, Israel is being railroaded into creating a Palestinian state on all the territories captured 50 years ago, contrary to law, the facts, and existing agreements. Everything is twisted to label Israel a violator of law, when in fact it is the UN that is the violator. All this on behalf of an invented people who didn’t exist 50 years ago.
This is ALL Israel’s fault. Israel has run a piss poor “marketing” schema even though Israel, like the Jew, has been the blame for the Earth’s problem.
Israel is paying for what they did NOT do in July of ’67; completing the transfer of ALL these so-called “Palestinian” People out to any of the over 20 once non-Arabian and non-Islamic lands of their choosing.
There are only two questions I have concern for is that the CORRUPT ANTI-JUDEO-CHRISTIAN SOCIALIST West must NOT take in any more Muslim immigrants because Islam, like Communism/Socialism/Globalism are all anti-Judeo-Christian and inhumane cancer.
The other question is whether the corrupt Communist Israeli Left still would care more to the “innocent” mass Hamas electing Jew haters and prevent such a logical step to make Israel a Jewish State and not a State of Jews…
Hi, Per Ardua
March 4, 2023 at 1:56 pm
Yes, that appears to have been the position concerning Israel since 1948. It has been applied to all the West as well — in India, Indonesia, Indochina, etc. We’ll see how it all pans out.
The “!international community” demands that Israel must capitulate in the Six Days War and return to the Auschwitz borders. This means that the loser demands that the winner capitulates unconditionally.
Kelleigh,
agreed, So very true, not one word in the Torah says that G-d gives the land to the descendants of Ishmael. It is Israel’s, and she will inherit all of it. This is an unconditional covenant the Lord made with His people, Israel.
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/
So, Israel is back to treading water.
So very true, not one word in the Torah says that G-d gives the land to the descendants of Ishmael. It is Israel’s, and she will inherit all of it. This is an unconditional covenant the Lord made with His people, Israel.
The greatest HOAX of ALL!
And the 1991 Madrid was presided over by President George H.W. Bush. Even LBJ pressured Israel not to fire the first shot in 1967 and then opposed Jewish settlement. And Ford, JFK,Eisenhower Truman, Obama, Trump.
Carter. Who’d I leave out?
Every single American president has sought to restrain Israel. No exceptions thus far.
Time to prepare to leave the nest.
TED, MY COMMENT on “Canadian Army…” HAS BEEN EATEN UP BY THE SYSTEM. PLEASE CHECK IT — IT’S PROBABLY IN THE JUNK FOLDER. I will gladly re-post, if need be.
It is not about the “Palestinians” being entitled to a state, it is about the Jews being “entitled” to persecution and destruction.
This is first and foremost A RELIGIOUS/THEOLOGICAL PROBLEM.
The timeline presented in the article shows conclusively the aim the US and the “world community” have been pursuing for decades.
“Palestine” was the name the Romans invented for Judea after suppressing the Jewish revolt and destroying the 2nd Temple; when Judea was reborn in 1948 as the State of Israel, Palestine disappeared.
Since that time, the anti-Jewish forces have trained everyone including the Jews of Israel to use the terms “Palestine” and “Palestinian” when referring to Arabs.
Before 1948, the historians, even the Jewish ones, got into the habit of referring to the Jewish land as “Palestine” regardless of the actual eras of history they were discussing.
I think that there should be a conscious effort by the Jews to quit using these terms or, at least, to put them in quotation marks when they are being used.
I will reiterate my editorial comments made on the original posting, and add that Ted’s history lesson should be mandatory reading for anyone studying, commenting on, or making policy decisions regarding Israel and a Palestinian state. Saying something does not make it true. Claiming the Palestinians existed as a people before the creation of the militant Palestinian LIberation Organization in 1964, is pure fiction no matter how many times it is said, who says it, or claims it to be true.
This article is a much needed history lesson particularly for Americans who have been propagandized with Obama’s deceitful revisionism. The premise that supports demands for Palestinian statehood is not historical, it is political and rests on the self-serving supremacist Islamic belief that the world belongs to Allah and every non-believer is an infidel that must be destroyed – starting with Israel. There was no separation of church and state in the 7th century which is why religious wars were political wars. Americans who continue to try to apply modern Western values to Islam are pursuing a self-destructive suicidal strategy and participating in their own destruction. There is no multiculturalism in Islam – there is only submission to Islam. Calls for a Palestinian state are part of the overarching Islamic socio-political expansionist effort to make the world Muslim for Allah. This is a religious war whether the West admits it or not.
There is a problem THAT MOST PEOPLE IGNORE… even “smart” Israelis
The need to have a CONTIGUOUS PALESTINE (Ghaza & Judea & Samaria) will actually DIVIDE ISRAEL!
That is A NO STARTER!
I wish the Israelis KNEW THEIR OWN HISTORY and the region’s history, so they can EDUCATE THE IDIOTS IN THE WORLD! Unfortunately the Israelis are causing much of the damage to themselves!!!
I am WELL VERSED IN JUDAISM & HISTORY….
I was – a few days ago – watching the movie LAWRENCE OF ARABIA which reminded me that the British conquered Israel from the Osman (Ottoman) Empire and they STOLE the East Jordan to IMPLANT there The Hashemite Kingdom – as a reward to Arabs who supported their efforts against the Turks!
How come The British are NOT CHARGED WITH THEFT?
Also, if the Brits took The Land from the Turks, and THE JEWS kicked the British arse out – then that IS A PROOF THERE WAS NO ARAB PALESTINE STATE !!
@ Edgar G.:
“Dialogue” Great word that.
I had thought it was Dorothy Parker:
“Response to the young narrator’s question, “Are you lost, daddy?” in Ring Lardner’s humorous novel The Young Immigrunts:
The lease said about my and my fathers trip from the Bureau of Manhattan to our new home the soonest mended. In some way ether I or he got balled up on the grand concorpse and next thing you know we was thretning to swoop down on Pittsfield.
Are you lost daddy I arsked tenderly.
Shut up he explained.
Sometimes quoted as an example of a writer breaking the rules of “good” writing in order to produce better writing. In this case (though of course to dissect humor is to kill it), the father’s growing frustration at the misadventures he suffers while moving his family East is more effectively conveyed by the use of a mild and reasonable word like “explained” with a jaw-grinding expression of anger that is anything but an explanation.”
http://everything2.com/title/%2522Shut+up%252C%2522+he+explained
“…Israel is being railroaded…” (1st sentence of last paragraph of article)
Waddya know, I thought it was Twain.
“[Abraham Lincoln] after an evening at the White House, was asked “How does it feel to be President of the United States?” “You have heard,” said Lincoln, “about the man tarred and feathered and ridden out of town on a rail? A man in the crowd asked him how he liked it, and his reply was, ‘If it wasn’t for the honor of the thing, I would rather walk.’”
http://www.davidvanalstyne.com/pg-lincolnhumor.html
Oh, I like this one:
“I won’t say ours was a tough school, but we had our own coroner. We used to write essays like: What I’m going to be if I grow up.” Lenny Bruce
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/l/lenny_bruce.html
@ stevenl:
zzz
There is no question as to whom. Obama wouldn’t do anything like that if it were to benefit Israel or the Jews generally.
@ yamit82:
xxx
Genuine dialogue-as you call it= will only begin when the Arab mamzers stop expecting “concessions” and other forms of payment for even coming to sit at the table to begin…to begin discussions with the “progeny of apes and monkeys”. And then it will likely be in different rooms, (not for the firsttime) because for the supreme sacrifice of sitting in the very same room, they already want all their conditions completed, payment in advance.
And what matter even if they ever do get to discuss anything face to face….are we forgetting the the face of one side is Arab…… liars, thieves, murderers, forsworn bandits and cut=throats……. We must NEVER forget with whom we are dealing…. Taquiya, equivocation, specious, ambiguous, and after tedious months of “negotiations”, an either complete walk-away, or a long delay, to eventually end in a walk-away. So all we are doing is wasting time, which may be of advantage to us in the present US election expectations. It does nothing else except take important people away from tasks at home they are urgently needed for. Israel has so many representatives, and committees, and appointees into this, that, and the millions of other things foisted on us, that I wonder where all the qualified people who carry out these tedious, useless tasks come from, and have mentioned it here before.
And whatever is agreed on, only one thing is certain, the Arabs will never carry it out….except… EXCEPT if it has happened that they have been thoroughly defeated in the field, been under martial law for 10 years, and completely abandoned by their paymasters…INCLUDING the Western World.
There is no other way and no politisal solution.
@ yamit82:
Those who want to rewrite history care less about these questions.
UN the House of Antisemitism.
ETHICS makes UNANIMITY!
Obama has ONLY ratified 68 years of US SD position in the Pal vs Israel conflict. In short preserving the instability of the ME as long as there are some benefits. But the question: to whom?
Some of those who participate in the writing of 242 specifically indicated that IL will NOT have to vacate all of the “recovered” territories. Those who have nothing to do with the writing of 242 claim to know better than those who wrote it!
Other simply want to rewrite history.
Birdalone Said:
I did not see any answer to the question in the article.
UN-FAIR “Why Did Obama Pander to the UN’s Stunning Anti-Israel Bias?” “There are horrific injustices all over the world, including and especially in the Muslim world, but those are ignored by an institution obsessed with Israel.”
Maajid Nawaz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maajid_Nawaz
12.30.16 1:00 AM ET
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There is nothing unique about the Israel conflict deserving such disproportionate attention. Baluchistan, Kurdistan, Cyprus, Kashmir, and Taiwan are but a few other disputed territories not fetishized like Palestine is at the UN and in our media. All of these disputes involve deep religious, historic, and political meaning for their respective parties.
Only the overwhelming narcissism of our Abrahamic faiths – including those among us who define themselves against them—would deem the religious and historic significance of the “Holy Lands” to mean anything more than other lost holy lands for Buddhists in Tibet, or Sikhs in Khalistan, which was lost to Pakistan a year before Israel’s creation. Only by releasing the “exceptional status” pressure from this conflict, by stripping it of its religious hyperbole, by removing it from the spotlight, by simply placing it on a par with every and any other conflict in the world—tragic but not unique—do we stand a better chance of solving it, because the stakes are lowered and the frothing prophets of doom, with their Armageddon pathology, are taken out of the equation. Let us call this “Israeli unexceptionalism.” …
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/12/30/why-did-obama-pander-to-the-un-s-stunning-anti-israel-bias.html
Although this is an interesting timeline of what every one did or thought it does not distinguish between treaty, law, agreement, moot agreement, failed agreement, etc.
going backwards:
1- ME quartet and road map are breached by pariticipants passing UN resolution outside the road map
2-everything in the bush letter is dead because it was not formalized or legally binding and obama rejected it.
3-Oslo is informally dead with the participants merely observing the bits of it which are in their interest.
4-Jordan Israel treaty recognizes no borders with any pal state, only recognized interanational border with Israel. There is no legal or enforceable document conveying any rights of Jordan to the PLO.. that was a radio PR stunt which was never formalized and suceeded by Israel Jordan treaty with no mention of a pal state
5-242 wrt the west bank has been satisfied and superceded by the JOrdan Israel treaty re borders and land. Israel has withdrawn from the sinai which is the major portion of land taken which is covered by the resolution.. withdrew from land.. no amount specified. 242 had higher standing as an article vii AND as an agreement to which Israel signed… a contract binding in international law. the latest res is an advisory art vi with no enforceability.
6- the official enforceable language of the egypt israel treaty is not printed here…”Begin refused but did agree to give them autonomy only.” I dont know what that statement means and what performance is required legally by Israel wrt the west bank land
Its important to distinguish between hearsay and actual enforceable agreements and policies. all the presidential policies are meaningless and dead especially with the obama repudiation and creation of his own. Trump policy will govern ONLY during trump presidency.. relying on informal letters is rdiculous… the gaza giveaway was for nothing but more terror.
The bottom line has nothing to do with law.. one can only deal with the corrupt horse trading cabal of the UN and ICC with horse trading and covert activities. All the law talk etc should be merely used to justify retroactively what one seeks to do in their own interests. Israel cannot accept the UN and ICC as a legitimate arbiter of its existence…
All law favors jewish settlement and yet they call it illegal and illegitimate. That should be enough to know. The bigger the global institution the more anti Israel it is.. therefore Israels MO should seek the disintegration of those global entities with any dirty tricks available. Its a war and principles are irrelevant to existence. Global entities trade Israel for votes and money. Israel should focus on bilateral relations and should only seek accession to global entities as a means to destroy them from within. The defragmentation and disorder in europe is good for Israel.. it is the EU more than the individual govs who are anti israel. If war arrives Israel should seek to destroy the income sources of the muslims.. their oil and gas.
The one paradigm proven beneficial to Israel is that war, famine, chaos, destruction, disorder, poverty and suffering in the lands of Israel enemies and detractors IS A GOOD THING!
Pal were weaponized for the purpose of eliminating Israel. And it ain’t working!
One group has been working at it for more than 2,000 years the other for more than 13 centuries.
Israel must take the offensive against the Palestinians by closing off Gaza to persons including diplomats and UN personnel and imports and exports. All can enter Egypt and from there into Gaza. The Palestinians should be informed that this will happen to any area where Jews are not allowed to live or travel safely.
I think it is about time we pose a hard question for any further contact or political process of any kind with those who nowadays for an unknown reason dare call themselves “Palestinians”. Are you “Palestinian people” ready to recognize Israel as a Jewish state? Are you ready to recognize the historic, moral, spiritual, religious and accept the internationally recognized right of the Jews on the land between the Jordan river to the Mediterranean sea? Since they obviously will answer by a big “NO”, I see no reason why we should recognize the “rights” and claims of a fictive people not a single one of the many foreign invaders and occupiers of the land encountered nor mentioned in history!
@ yamit82:
reposting: “Palestinian Prehistory – Latma Classic Sketch”
https://youtu.be/Zso89F2-nsk
1922, a joint resolution of both Houses of Congress of the United States unanimously endorsed the “Mandate for Palestine,”
The U.S. Congress in 1922
On June 30, 1922, a joint resolution of both Houses of Congress of the United States unanimously endorsed the “Mandate for Palestine,” confirming the irrevocable right of Jews to settle in the area of Palestine—anywhere between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea:
“Favoring the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.
“Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled. That the United States of America favors the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which should prejudice the civil and religious rights of Christian and all other non-Jewish communities in Palestine, and that the holy places and religious buildings and sites in Palestine shall be adequately protected.” [italics in the original]
On September 21, 1922, the then President Warren G. Harding signed the joint resolution of approval to establish a Jewish National Home in Palestine.
Here is how members of congress expressed their support for the creation of a National Home for the Jewish people in Palestine – Eretz-Israel (Selective text read from the floor of the U.S. Congress by the Congressman from New York on June 30, 1922). All quotes included in this document are taken verbatim from the given source.
CONGRESSIONAL RECORD
1922 HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
NATIONAL HOME FOR THE JEWISH PEOPLE
JUNE 30, 1922
HOUSE RESOLUTION 360
(Rept. NO. 1172)
Representative Walter M. Chandler from New York – I want to make at this time, Mr. Speaker and gentlemen of the House, my attitude and views upon the Arab question in Palestine very clear and emphatic. I am in favor of carrying out one of the three following policies, to be preferred in the order in which they are named:
(1) That the Arabs shall be permitted to remain in Palestine under Jewish government and domination, and with their civil and religious rights guaranteed to them through the British mandate and under terms of the Balfour declaration.
(2) That if they will not consent to Jewish government and domination, they shall be required to sell their lands at a just valuation and retire into the Arab territory which has been assigned to them by the League of Nations in the general reconstruction of the countries of the east.
(3) That if they will not consent to Jewish government and domination, under conditions of right and justice, or to sell their lands at a just valuation and to retire into their own countries, they shall be driven from Palestine by force.
@ yamit82:
Part 5 part 4 is still blocked see link in part 1 for full article!!
In fact, there is only one way to achieve peace in the Middle East . Arab countries must acknowledge and accept their defeat in their war against Israel and, as the losing side should, pay Israel reparations for the more than 50 years of devastation they have visited on it. The most appropriate form of such reparations would be the removal of their terrorist organization from the land of Israel and accepting Israel ‘s ancient sovereignty over Gaza , Judea, and Samaria.
That will mark the end of the Palestinian people. What are you saying again was its beginning?
All great work by many excellent people.
Why is it that we must rely on foreigners to support our ancestral title to the Land of Israel?
@ yamit82:
The fact is, Arabs populating Gaza, Judea, and Samaria have much less claim to nationhood than that Indian tribe that successfully emerged in Connecticut with the purpose of starting a tax-exempt casino: at least that tribe had a constructive goal that motivated them. The so-called “Palestinians” have only one motivation: the destruction of Israel , and in my book that is not sufficient to consider them a nation” — or anything else except what they really are: a terrorist organization that will one day be dismantled.
In fact, there is only one way to achieve peace in the Middle East . Arab countries must acknowledge and accept their defeat in their war against Israel and, as the losing side should, pay Israel reparations for the more than 50 years of devastation they have visited on it. The most appropriate form of such reparations would be the removal of their terrorist organization from the land of Israel and accepting Israel ‘s ancient sovereignty over Gaza , Judea, and Samaria.
That will mark the end of the Palestinian people. What are you saying again was its beginning?
@ yamit82:
part 3
I hope you avoid the temptation to trace the modern day “Palestinians” to the Biblical Philistines: substituting etymology for history won’t work here.
The truth should be obvious to everyone who wants to know it. Arab countries have never abandoned the dream of destroying Israel ; they still cherish it today. Having time and again failed to achieve their evil goal with military means, they decided to fight Israel by proxy. For that purpose, they created a terrorist organization, cynically called it “the Palestinian people” and installed it in Gaza , Judea, and Samaria . How else can you explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to unconditionally accept back the “West Bank” and Gaza , respectively?
The fact is, Arabs populating Gaza, Judea, and Samaria have much less claim to nationhood than that Indian tribe that successfully emerged in Connecticut with the purpose of starting a tax-exempt casino: at least that tribe had a constructive goal that motivated them. The so-called “Palestinians” have only one motivation: the destruction of Israel , and in my book that is not sufficient to consider them a nation” — or anything else except what they really are: a terrorist organization that will one day be dismantled.
In fact, there is only one way to achieve peace in the Middle East . Arab countries must acknowledge and accept their defeat in their war against Israel and, as the losing side should, pay Israel reparations for the more than 50 years of devastation they have visited on it. The most appropriate form of such reparations would be the removal of their terrorist organization from the land of Israel and accepting Israel ‘s ancient sovereignty over Gaza , Judea, and Samaria.
That will mark the end of the Palestinian people. What are you saying again was its beginning?
@ yamit82:
Part 2
If you are so sure that ” Palestine , the country, goes back through most of recorded history,” I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine :
1- When was it founded and by whom?
2- What were its borders?
3- What was its capital?
4- What were its major cities?
5- What constituted the basis of its economy?
6- What was its form of government?
7- Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
8- Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
9- What was the language of the country of Palestine ?
10- What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ?
11-What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date.
12- And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?
You are lamenting the “low sinking” of a “once proud” nation. Please tell me, when exactly was that “nation” proud and what was it so proud of?
And here is the least sarcastic question of all: If the people you mistakenly call “Palestinians” are anything but generic Arabs collected from all over — or thrown out of — the Arab world, if they really have a genuine ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination, why did they never try to become independent until Arabs suffered their devastating defeat in the Six Day War?
A Japanese View of the Palestinians
Talk about one picture being worth a THOUSAND words…
An interesting questionnaire for Palestinian Advocates By Yashiko Sagamori
http://www.al-rassooli.com/tiny-israel.html
@ yamit82:
Many comments like this one are delayed before publication. I don’t know why.
Lately some go into trash for no reason I can discern.
Ted plas retrieve and post my comment just now botted in your spmammer dumpster
@ Ted Belman:
Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said that you’re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
However, one reason that genuine dialogue and finding a solution to Arab Israeli conflict are so elusive is because the two sides can agree on very few facts thanks to the perfection of propaganda campaigns featuring selective recall, rewriting of history, and the constant repeating of lies…
Thus, attempting to have a discussion of “facts” does not solve anything because there is little agreement on a common set of facts. Without a common basis of facts, any discussion will be unproductive and doomed to failure.
A Japanese View of the Palestinians
Yashiko Sagamori
If you are so sure that ” Palestine , the country, goes back through most of recorded history,” I expect you to be able to answer a few basic questions about that country of Palestine :
1- When was it founded and by whom?
2- What were its borders?
3- What was its capital?
4- What were its major cities?
5- What constituted the basis of its economy?
6- What was its form of government?
7- Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Arafat?
8- Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?
9- What was the language of the country of Palestine ?
10- What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine ?
11-What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell what was the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date.
12- And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?
You are lamenting the “low sinking” of a “once proud” nation. Please tell me, when exactly was that “nation” proud and what was it so proud of?
And here is the least sarcastic question of all: If the people you mistakenly call “Palestinians” are anything but generic Arabs collected from all over — or thrown out of — the Arab world, if they really have a genuine ethnic identity that gives them right for self-determination, why did they never try to become independent until Arabs suffered their devastating defeat in the Six Day War?
I hope you avoid the temptation to trace the modern day “Palestinians” to the Biblical Philistines: substituting etymology for history won’t work here.
The truth should be obvious to everyone who wants to know it. Arab countries have never abandoned the dream of destroying Israel ; they still cherish it today. Having time and again failed to achieve their evil goal with military means, they decided to fight Israel by proxy. For that purpose, they created a terrorist organization, cynically called it “the Palestinian people” and installed it in Gaza , Judea, and Samaria . How else can you explain the refusal by Jordan and Egypt to unconditionally accept back the “West Bank” and Gaza , respectively?
The fact is, Arabs populating Gaza, Judea, and Samaria have much less claim to nationhood than that Indian tribe that successfully emerged in Connecticut with the purpose of starting a tax-exempt casino: at least that tribe had a constructive goal that motivated them. The so-called “Palestinians” have only one motivation: the destruction of Israel , and in my book that is not sufficient to consider them a nation” — or anything else except what they really are: a terrorist organization that will one day be dismantled.
In fact, there is only one way to achieve peace in the Middle East . Arab countries must acknowledge and accept their defeat in their war against Israel and, as the losing side should, pay Israel reparations for the more than 50 years of devastation they have visited on it. The most appropriate form of such reparations would be the removal of their terrorist organization from the land of Israel and accepting Israel ‘s ancient sovereignty over Gaza , Judea, and Samaria.
That will mark the end of the Palestinian people. What are you saying again was its beginning?
“BBC: Nasser ‘asked’ UN peacekeepers to leave Sinai in 1967”
https://bbcwatch.org/2014/06/09/bbc-nasser-asked-un-peacekeepers-to-leave-sinai-in-1967/
Here are 20 conveniently overlooked facts that give some perspective to the current Middle East situation. These were compiled by a Christian university professor…..
1. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., TWO thousand years before the RISE of Islam.
2. Arab refugees began identifying themselves as PART of a Palestinian people in 1967, TWO decades AFTER the establishment of the modern STATE of Israel.
3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E, the Jews had dominion OVER the LAND for ONE thousand years with a continuous PRESENCE in the LAND for the past 3,300 years.
4. The ONLY Arab domination SINCE the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 YEARS.
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has NEVER been the capital of any ARAB or MUSLIM entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 hundred times in Bible. Jerusalem is NOT mentioned ONCE in the Koran.
7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed NEVER CAME to Jerusalem.
8. Jews pray FACING Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their BACKS toward Jerusalem.
9. Arab and Jewish refugees: Arabs were NOT driven out of their homes. Following the UN decision on Partition in 1948, the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders, promising to purge the land of Jews. They argued that an “Arab presence” would only get in the way of the planned devastation. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.
10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms [extermination of ethnic group especially Jews in Russia].
11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees absorbed by Israel from Arab countries is estimated to be the same.
12. Arab refugees were INTENTIONALLY NOT absorbed or integrated into the ARAB LANDS to which they FLED, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has NEVER been absorbed or integrated into their OWN peoples ‘lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.
13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The ARAB nations STARTED all FIVE wars and LOST. Israel defended IRSELF each TIME and WON.
14. The P.L.O.’s Charter still calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank and autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied their police and security forces with weapons.
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish HOLY sites were DESECRATED and the Jews were denied ACCESS to places of worship. Jewish GRAVE markers were used to build public URINALS in occupied Jerusalem. Under Israeli rule, ALL Muslim and Christian sites have been PRESERVED and made accessible to PEOPLE of ALL faiths.
16. The U.N. record on Israel and the Arabs of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel — notwithstanding the fact that the Arabs refused to participate in the 15 nation United Nations Commission of Palestine which recommended partition in 1948 and sought immediately to undo its work by force of arms.
17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.
18. The U.N. was SILENT while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians between 1948 and 1967.
19. The U.N. was SILENT while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives between 1948 and 1967.
20. The U.N. was SILENT while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall between 1948 and 1967.
@ Ted Belman:
“PEACE AT LAST: PALESTINE IN 2013” by Stephen Plaut
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/91917/peace-last-palestine-2013-steven-plaut
@ Sebastien Zorn:
@ Miraim Setembu:
I just amended the article to include the Reagan Plan.
@ Ted Belman:
Don’t Mention it. I think Kahane’s “Parable of the Stinking Fish” written decades ago about the Rogers Plan remains timely.
The Rogers Plan (1969)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/rogers.html
Israel Rejects Rogers Plan
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/rogers1.html
“The Parable of the Stinking Fish” by Rabbi Meir Kahane
http://www.dafka.org/news/index.php?pid=4&id=1683
Stephen Plaut also wrote a brilliant parody about the easily destroyed rump state of Israel all this will lead to but I can’t find it now.
Thank you so much.
This excellently elucidates the historical background that gives the lie to the Palestinian’s specious claim to statehood.
I am left puzzled as to how/why Israel has not trumpeted this narrative from the rooftops.
@ Sebastien Zorn:
Thanks for this. I was not aware of the Reagan Plan at all. After reading it, I understand why Begin said it was the saddest day of his life.
What about the Reagan Plan?
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/reaganplan.html