Putin claims Russia has barely started campaign in Ukraine, dares west to fight on battlefield

‘Everyone should know that, by and large, we haven’t started anything yet in earnest,’ Russian president tells Kremlin parliamentary leaders

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Vladimir Putin has issued one of his most ominous warnings yet, claiming Moscow has barely started its campaign in Ukraine and daring the west to try to defeat it on the battlefield.

Speaking at a meeting with parliamentary leaders on Thursday, the Russian president said the prospects for any negotiation would grow dimmer the longer the conflict dragged on.

“Everyone should know that, by and large, we haven’t started anything yet in earnest,” he said. “At the same time, we don’t reject peace talks. But those who reject them should know that the further it goes, the harder it will be for them to negotiate with us.”

Putin also accused Ukraine’s western allies of fuelling hostilities, charging that “the west wants to fight us until the last Ukrainian” and that they were welcome to try, but it would only bring tragedy for Ukraine.

“Today we hear that they want to defeat us on the battlefield. What can you say – let them try,” he said.

“We have heard many times that the west wants to fight us to the last Ukrainian. This is a tragedy for the Ukrainian people, but it seems that everything is heading towards this.”

The Russian leader also raged against “totalitarian liberalism” that he said the west had sought to impose on the entire world and reaffirmed his long-held claim that the west is using the conflict in Ukraine to try to isolate and weaken Russia.

“They simply don’t need such a country as Russia,” Putin said. “This is why they have used terrorism, separatism and internal destructive forces in our country.”

He charged that western sanctions against Russia had failed to achieve their goal of “sowing division and strife in our society and demoralising our people”. However, he conceded that sanctions were creating difficulties, “but not at all what the initiators of the economic blitzkrieg against Russia were counting on”.

“The course of history is unstoppable, and attempts by the collective west to enforce its version of the global order are doomed to fail,” Putin said.

The Russian president said at a meeting with parliamentary leaders on Thursday that the prospects for any negotiation would grow dimmer the longer the conflict dragged on. Photograph: Sputnik/Reuters

Ukraine’s chief negotiator, Mykhailo Podolyak, dismissed Putin’s notion of a plan directed against Russia by the west.

“There is no ‘collective west’ plan. Only a specific z-army which entered sovereign Ukraine, shelling cities and killing civilians,” Podolyak tweeted. “Everything else is a primitive propaganda.”

Russian parliamentary leaders responded to Putin’s comments and one, Sergei Mironov of the A Just Russia party, encouraged him to set up a special agency to facilitate the integration of occupied Ukrainian territories into Russia – an idea Putin promised to discuss.

Russian prosecutors also called for prison sentences on Thursday for a prominent opposition activist and for a Moscow city council member who spoke up against Russia’s actions in Ukraine.

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Alexei Gorinov, who was detained in April, is the first Russian elected representative to face prison for spreading “knowingly false information” about the Russian army, a charge that carries a maximum sentence of 15 years’ jail.

Gorinov criticised Moscow’s military actions in Ukraine at a council meeting in March, a recording of which is now available on YouTube. The video shows him voicing skepticism over a planned children’s art competition in his constituency while “every day children are dying” in Ukraine. A Russian prosecutor has asked for a seven-year sentence.

Prosecutors have also asked that Andrei Pivovarov, former head of the Open Russia organisation, be given a five-year sentence for “directing an undesirable organisation”, according to his lawyer, Sergei Badamshin.

Pivovarov was pulled off a Warsaw-bound plane at St Petersburg’s airport just before takeoff in May last year. He was taken to the southern city of Krasnodar, where he was accused of supporting a local candidate on behalf of an “undesirable” organisation. The criminal charge is based on his social media posts supporting independent candidates in Krasnodar’s municipal elections.

Since invading Ukraine on 24 February, Russian forces have captured large swathes of the country, most recently seizing the eastern region of Luhansk.

But their progress has been far slower than many analysts predicted, and after failing to capture Kyiv and other big cities in Ukraine’s north-east early in the campaign, Moscow’s forces shifted their focus to the eastern industrial heartland of Donbas.

Earlier this week, the Russian military claimed control of Luhansk province, one of the two that make up Donbas, and is preparing to press its offensive into neighbouring Donetsk.

I write from Ukraine, where I’ve spent much of the past six months, reporting on the build-up to the conflict and the grim reality of war. It has been the most intense time of my 30-year career. In December I visited the trenches outside Donetsk with the Ukrainian army; in January I went to Mariupol and drove along the coast to Crimea; on 24 February I was with other colleagues in the Ukrainian capital as the first Russian bombs fell.

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  1. @Ted
    Oh, and also recall Serbia’s success at the polls while opposing NATO’s anti-Russian policy as well.

    As the West has given a new meaning to the phrase “the great bank heist”, they have dishonored themselves and greatly impaired the very system by which they brought that dishonor on themselves. It wasn’t just stupid, it was counter productive, and yet they persist in continuing the policy with ever increasing levels of intensity. Now preferring to set price caps on Russian oil, as if Russia will choose to sell her oil to the West for less than the market will bear simply to benefit the West – these fools actually believe that Russia will play the same foolish game of Shoot Myself in the Wallet that they have forced upon themselves. Given the pack of child minded leaders among the West, it might be accepted as par for the course, but Putin is no fool, he is not insane, he is quite capable, and the West is about to pay a very steep price, particularly Europe, and particularly eastern Europe and particularly Germany. As goes Germany, goes the Eurozone, and Germany is going to be boxing their industries due to these redoubled blunders. So yes, as long as this list of political defeats and triumphs, respectively, stands now, it will lengthen, with those foolish enough to support the NATO nonsense bearing most of the economic baggage and political upsets, and those opposing it fairing far better for their due diligence. Leadership bears a consequence as to its quality, and poor leadership only provides a terrible cost to all involved.

  2. @Peloni
    You can add to the list Hungary’s independence under Orban, the farmers protests and the fall of Sri Lanka.

    And Putin is just beginning to withhold food and energy supplies to Europe.

  3. Now, the PM of England, Estonia and Italy have resigned, while the govts of Bulgaria and France and Slovakia(I think) have had political setbacks, all in the past couple of months. How ironic will it be when all the govts of NATO, themselves, are faced with not only a boomerang of their sanctions effort against Russia but also of their hopes for a regime change in Russia. It is a sad silly fact that this may well be the eventual consequence of the refusal to accept that the sanctions war is harming the West far more significantly than it is Russia. In fact, I can not forsee the peoples of Europe ignoring their new economic plight as their savings are drained and their economy is destroyed and their industry is forced into bankruptcy due to non-competitive price structuring due to their self inflicted energy costs. If they are so determined to use Ukraine as a Russian grist mill, they do not have to afflict their people, their economies and their industries with this clearly failed policy of making everything more expensive. So let them fall, one by one, and then let us see if this insanity is so well baked into the European political fabric that the replacement govts will persist with these same failing policies. It really wouldn’t surprise me in the least. It might surprise the respective publics, though.

  4. @Retired 22. The belief that inernational bankers have caused all the wars and problems in the world has long been a staple of anti-semitic legend and propaganda. Actually, most bankers have very little interest in international politics. They are just interested in making money, and the only political activity they lobby for is government support for their institutions (loans from the “Fed,” etc.)

  5. Raphael

    Russia has ALWAYS resented Ukraine separating and becoming independent. Russia has always regarded Ukraine as part of Russia and has never lost that attitude. Tjhis is common knowledge and even recently mentioned in articles on the subject . After the Soviet State disintegrated, Russia , as you well know walked back into several of thr “separated” new states and pulled them back into the mainly Russia body. If not actually absorbed, they are grovelling client states.

  6. Nuclear war would trigger a new Ice Age, study warns
    Russia has issued several doomsday threats to the West amid heightened tensions over Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

    Just last month the Kremlin warned that Europe would disappear in a nuclear apocalypse – a verbal attack in response to Western allies promising more weaponry to besieged Kyiv.

    Now, new research suggests that if there ever were to be a nuclear war between Russia and the US, it would likely trigger a ‘Little Ice Age’ lasting thousands of years.

    Firestorms would release soot and smoke into the upper atmosphere that would block out the Sun and result in crop failure around the world.

    In the first month following detonation, average global temperatures would plunge by about 13 degrees Fahrenheit.

    That is more than during the most recent Ice Age, which lasted more than 100,000 years – reducing global temperatures by about 10 degrees Fahrenheit and killing off the woolly mammoth before it ended 11,700 years ago.

    Warning: New research suggests that if there ever were to be a nuclear war between Russia and the US, it would likely trigger a ‘Little Ice Age’ lasting thousands of years
    Warning: New research suggests that if there ever were to be a nuclear war between Russia and the US, it would likely trigger a ‘Little Ice Age’ lasting thousands of years
    Russia has issued several doomsday threats to the West amid heightened tensions over Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. Pictured, Moscow test launching the Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile in April amid threats of nuclear war
    Russia has issued several doomsday threats to the West amid heightened tensions over Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. Pictured, Moscow test launching the Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missile in April amid threats of nuclear war
    In the first month following detonation, average global temperatures would plunge by about 13 degrees Fahrenheit. The analysis shows ocean temperatures would drop quickly (pictured) and not return to their pre-war state, even after the smoke from nuclear firestorms clears
    In the first month following detonation, average global temperatures would plunge by about 13 degrees Fahrenheit. The analysis shows ocean temperatures would drop quickly (pictured) and not return to their pre-war state, even after the smoke from nuclear firestorms clears
    Russia warns Europe will ‘disappear’ in a nuclear apocalypse if the West gives Ukraine missiles
    Last month, Russia warned that Europe would ‘disappear’ in a nuclear apocalypse in the Kremlin’s latest doomsday threat for supplying Ukraine with missiles.
    Viacheslav Volodin, the head of the State Duma, lashed out after Poland’s former foreign minister Radoslaw Sikorski said Western allies could send more weaponry to besieged Kyiv.
    Sikorski claimed Vladimir Putin had violated the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances of 1994, which justifies the Western delivery of nuclear weapons.
    He told Ukrainian channel Espreso TV the supplies would ‘give Ukraine the opportunity to defend its independence’.
    Ukraine agreed to give up all its nuclear weapons left over from the fall of the Soviet Union, and joined the Treaty on the Nonproliferation of Nuclear Weapons.
    Volodin slammed the remarks, writing on Telegram: ‘With such deputies, the Europeans will have much more serious problems than those they have already faced today (refugees, record inflation, energy crisis).
    ‘Sikorski is provoking a nuclear conflict in the centre of Europe.’
    The study is based on multiple regional and large scale computer simulations.

    Lead author Dr Cheryl Harrison, of Louisiana State University, said: ‘It doesn’t matter who is bombing whom.

    ‘It can be India and Pakistan or NATO and Russia. Once the smoke is released into the upper atmosphere, it spreads globally and affects everyone.’

    However, Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has brought the threat of nuclear war to the fore, and this study is the first to provide a stark picture of the environmental impact if Putin were to reach for the nuclear button.

    Nine nations, including the UK, currently control more than 13,000 nuclear weapons, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.

    The analysis shows ocean temperatures would drop quickly and not return to their pre-war state, even after the smoke clears.

    As the planet got colder, sea ice would expand by more than six million square miles and up to six feet deep, which would in turn block major ports including Beijing, Copenhagen and St Petersburg.

    It would then spread into normally temperate coastal regions and prevent shipping across the Northern Hemisphere, while getting food and supplies into some cities such as Shanghai, where ships are not prepared to face sea ice, would become difficult.

    The sudden drop in light and sea temperatures, especially from the Arctic to the North Atlantic and North Pacific, would kill algae — the bedrock of the marine food web.

    Researchers said that fishing and aquaculture would be halted by the creation of ‘essentially a famine in the ocean.’

    One model mimics the US and Russia using 4,400 100-kiloton nuclear weapons to bomb cities and industrial areas.

    In this case, fires would eject 150 teragrams, or more than 330 billion lbs, of smoke and sunlight-absorbing black carbon, into the upper atmosphere.

    Another model showed India and Pakistan detonating 500 100-kiloton nuclear weapons – leading to five to 47 teragrams, 11 billion to 103 billion lbs, of smoke and soot.

    Study co-author Professor Alan Robock, of Rutgers University, said: ‘Nuclear warfare results in dire consequences for everyone.

    ‘World leaders have used our studies previously as an impetus to end the nuclear arms race in the 1980s, and five years ago to pass a treaty in the United Nations to ban nuclear weapons.’

    He added: ‘We hope this new study will encourage more nations to ratify the ban treaty.’

    The calculations also demonstrate the interconnectedness of Earth’s systems, especially in the face of disturbances from volcanic eruptions, massive wildfires or war.

    Dr Harrison said: ‘The current war in Ukraine with Russia and how it has affected gas prices, really shows us how fragile our global economy and our supply chains are to what may seem like regional conflicts and perturbations.’

    It is not just the threat of nuclear war that could have such effects on Earth.

    Volcanic eruptions also produce clouds of particles in the upper atmosphere and throughout history they have had similar negative impacts on the planet and civilisation.

    The mushroom cloud above Nagasaki after the US dropped an atomic bomb in 1945, three days after Hiroshima
    The mushroom cloud above Nagasaki after the US dropped an atomic bomb in 1945, three days after Hiroshima
    Firestorms would release soot and smoke into the upper atmosphere that would block out the Sun and result in crop failure around the world. Pictured: Russia tests the Zircon nuclear-capable hypersonic missile
    Firestorms would release soot and smoke into the upper atmosphere that would block out the Sun and result in crop failure around the world. Pictured: Russia tests the Zircon nuclear-capable hypersonic missile
    As the planet got colder, sea ice would expand by more than six million square miles and up to six feet deep, which would in turn block major ports including Beijing, Copenhagen and St Petersburg. Pictured above is what sea ice would look like in the event of a US/Russia nuclear war (a), compared to a normal control (b), while (c) shows the difference in sea ice
    As the planet got colder, sea ice would expand by more than six million square miles and up to six feet deep, which would in turn block major ports including Beijing, Copenhagen and St Petersburg. Pictured above is what sea ice would look like in the event of a US/Russia nuclear war (a), compared to a normal control (b), while (c) shows the difference in sea ice
    Dr Harrison said: ‘We can avoid nuclear war, but volcanic eruptions are definitely going to happen again.

    ‘There is nothing we can do about it, so it is important when we are talking about resilience and how to design our society, that we consider what we need to do to prepare for unavoidable climate shocks.

    ‘We can and must however, do everything we can to avoid nuclear war. The effects are too likely to be globally catastrophic.’

    Oceans take longer to recover than land. In the worst US-Russia scenario, it is likely to take decades at the surface and hundreds of years at depth.

    Changes to Arctic sea ice will likely last thousands of years and effectively be a ‘Nuclear Little Ice Age,’ said Dr Harrison.

    Marine ecosystems would be devastated both initially and in the new ocean state, resulting in long-term global impacts to fisheries and other services, she added.

    The study has been published in the journal AGU Advances.

    Louisiana State University Professor Cheryl Harrison is pictured presenting recent findings on the impacts of nuclear war on Earth’s systems at the Nuclear Threat Initiative conference
    Louisiana State University Professor Cheryl Harrison is pictured presenting recent findings on the impacts of nuclear war on Earth’s systems at the Nuclear Threat Initiative conference

  7. This is the biggest war in Europe since 1945. It is, for Ukrainians, an existential struggle against a new but familiar Russian imperialism.

    Statements like this are pure propaganda. It pre-supposes that Russia has imperial goals…something that the west seems to enjoy repeating. This is a false accusation, however. Russia is not trying to gain territory. It’s trying to guarantee safety for itself and its people. This unfortunately had to extend to Ukraine, where ethnic Russians were being oppressed. If territorial gains result, sobeit.

  8. There have been more rumours about Putins cancer than sightings of Elvis. I rather doubt it just like rumours of a coup. I also don’t think he could care less about his “legacy” which is a western media invention for narcissistic western “leaders”. As for totalitarianism as he put it the bigger concern is “liberal totalitarianism” which, if you haven’t been asleep” is what’s been enveloping us, thank you oxymoronic Liberals in Canada and Democrats in US

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  9. This business in Ukraine is just A sideline for the lo info crowd.
    Ukraine is just a pawn for the EU Globalist Bankers.
    The Russians have already won the real financial battle by surviving the initial sanctions attacks from London & Brussels
    The Russians have now countered with a Gold backed financial system that is now destroying the EU bankers fiat system.

  10. Why the sudden aggressiveness from Putin? Is the rumor true that he has cancer? That is one explanation for his wanting to make a legacy for himself, if he believes he doesn’t have much time left.But he won’t be remembered well by the free world, as he’ll be remembered as a corrupt and barbarian totalitarian. He denies this while imprisoning Russians who only spoke their minds; Apparently there is little freedom left in Russia due to the present totalitarian regime.