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Menu There is no diplomatic solutionIsrael should declare three nos;
no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
Terje Said:
Did the Jews of Germany say that the land was really theirs, stolen from them by the Germans and that they would work until the day they became the majority and take the land and make it “Judea”? If they did, the Jews of Hitler’s time can be equated with the Arabs. Did the Jews of Europe massacre Germans, rape their women, burn their settlements, and vow to drive them into the sea? If they did, Europe’s Jews and Israel’s Arabs are the same. And if they did – if Germany’s Jews killed Germans and sought to take their state from them – Germans would have been justified in removing them from Germany and saving their country.
Terje Said:
Did the Jews of Germany say that the land was really theirs, stolen from them by the Germans and that they would work until the day they became the majority and take the land and make it “Judea”? If they did, the Jews of Hitler’s time can be equated with the Arabs. Did the Jews of Europe massacre Germans, rape their women, burn their settlements, and vow to drive them into the sea? If they did, Europe’s Jews and Israel’s Arabs are the same. And if they did – if Germany’s Jews killed Germans and sought to take their state from them – Germans would have been justified in removing them from Germany and saving their country.
Terje Said:
That’s how I feel about Germany in particular and all of Europe in general… I would shed no tears if it all wnt up in a mushroom cloud. Europe swapped 6 -8 million peaceful productive law-abiding and even patriotic Jews that they murdered and invited in up to 50 million barbarian Muslims… I call that divine justice. Europe took in millions of illegals who drain their resources and their welfare system and bring crime up in mega proportions. Europe, who would not protect it’s Jewish citizens are now inundated with aliens who use and abuse them. Gang rapes up by hundreds of percentage points in their nations, murders, robbery, their prisons bulging with these alien predators. They now replace the Jews you murdered and pushed out ..multiplied many times over.
They are YOUR REWARD.
Those 50 million are people YOU INVITED IN! Now live with it . Drink it in deeply and choke on it. This is what you preferred to Jews. Now enjoy it.Savor it..there is the main course still to come.
@ Terje:
Check out these videos from Palestinian TV on Palestinian Media Watch and say we shouldn’t generalize
http://www.palwatch.org/SITE/MODULES/videos/pal/videos.aspx
Don’t forget to slide the little bar down on the right to scroll down. There are more.
This is the one that really gets me most.
I will take the liberty of pasting the text. This can’t be glossed over as merely “incitement.” It’s beyond that. And it’s typical. It’s a clip from a little kid’s show. With subtitles.
“Hamas to kids: Shoot all the Jews
Al-Aqsa TV (Hamas) program Tomorrow’s Pioneers on neighbors’ rights.
Phone conversation between Nahul the bee and Qais, a boy from Jenin (West Bank).
Nahul the bee, (adult in a giant bee costume): “Listen my friend. Are there Jews where you are?”
Boy (Qais): “No. Not at the moment.”
Nahul: “I heard they come to you every day.”
Boy: “Yes, but not now.”
Nahul: “Listen, friend; do like this with your hands [makes fists], and when they come to you, punch them; make their face red like a tomato.”
Boy: “Allah willing, so that we can liberate Palestine.”
Nahul: “Allah willing.” …
[Nahul talks to TV host, young girl named Rawan]
Nahul: “My friend Qais – anyway, Rawan, I tell him to take a stone, and when the Jews come, to take it and throw it at them.”
Child host (Rawan): “Of course, the Jewish neighbors.”
Nahul: “To smash them.”
Child host: “If his neighbors are Jews or Zionists? Yes.” …
[Child host Rawan talks to Tulin, a girl in the studio.]
Child host Rawan: “Tulin, why do you want to be a police officer? Like who?”
Girl Tulin: “Like my uncle.”
Child host: “Which uncle?”
Girl: “Ahmed.”
Child host: “Is he a policeman?”
[Girl nods]
Child host: “OK, so what does a policeman do?”
Nahul (adult in giant bee costume): “He catches thieves, and people who make trouble.”
Child host: “And shoots Jews. Right?”
Girl: “Yes.”
Child host: “You want to be like him?”
[Girl nods]
Child host: “Allah willing, when you grow up.”
Girl: “So that I can shoot Jews.”
[Nahul the bee cheers]
Child host: “All of them? All of them?”
Girl: “Yes.”
Child host: “Good.”
Al-Aqsa TV (Hamas) May 2, 2014 (1 min)”
http://www.palwatch.org/SITE/MODULES/videos/pal/videos.aspx?fld_id=139&doc_id=11385
What was that, 13 percent of Israeli Arabs that poll said don’t identify as being compatriots with these? How many attacks have been by Israeli Arabs, as well? Those who are really friends will be happy to go to help us and we should be happy to help them do well in their new homes in the West where they will be more than welcome. If the positions were reversed, I would do the same. Any decent person would. As for the rest, I’ve made my position clear.
Terje Said:
LOL, that is as I predicted two years ago… a muslim flooding of europe will change their tune. As for recommending I see a doctor for pointing out a 2000 year serial killer of jews… AND the fact that they are continuing to pay for murdered Jews…It appears to me that you folks need a doctor… the fact that you are here comparing Jews and Israel to nazis rather than back home changing europes disgusting behavior paints you as the nut. Stop stalking us….. dont you even see that you are the same nazi stalker…. right now, right here…. lying about jews, supporting jew killers…look in the mirror.. you are the euro jew stalker who followed us home to harass and libel us and pay proxies to murder our children…. all facts, paranoia is when it is not factual.
Terje Said:
no need for PR to wake up the euro nazi left from their coma… the muslims will wake them up.
the fact that you equate banning anti semite muslims from Israel with islamists show you are a liar and a very dishonest person. You want the Jews to live with their avowed killers… you will see that the muslims will teach the euros who they are…. experience is the best teacher.
Terje Said:
you are again being dishonest… the muslims are doing that behavior all over the globe, not just in israel, just as the nazi creed propagated their evils over the globe. There are few muslims who stand up agains those behaviors… except to avoid being thrown out of western nations.
Terje Said:
you seem to have no problem sucking up to all the muslim nations in the world who fit that description… you are a typical euro fake…. applying double standards to the Jews while you fund their murderers.
Terje Said:
all euro bs covering up the fact that the euroscum fund the murderers of Jews and libel the jews as being illegitimate and illegal in their millenial homeland from where the euros exiled them. You threw out the jews from their land, you abused and slaughtered them for 2000 years, you followed them back to their homeland and pay the muslims to murder their children while you call them nazis in support of your proxies….. and then you wonder why there will be a conflagration in europe?
Dont worry about Israel…. the universe is correcting in real time…. the random patch of barren land yearned for is now blooming as promised… the liars and defamers are cannibalizing each other …… the world is falling apart, the center will not hold, europe is disintegrating and falling into chaos, misery and suffering. europe is just a money paper tiger ripe for the picking, the euros are cowards with no strength except to stalk Jews… the muslims and the russians know that….. the euro lunatic daily stalking and attacking of Israel with lies and money is falling to pieces…. its only right that it should happened…. the same thing happened the last time the euros threw the Jews to the wolves.
I am sad for the good ones and the Jews still there… I suggest they all leave. The right will take over europe and have a civil war with the muslims… it will be syria and libya in europe. Hopefully, trump will avoid that lunacy in the USA in time by speaking and championing the truth, unlike the euros.
Terje Said:
not a priority… the priority is to nuetralize those who seek to murder your children. You throw out red herrings to distract from that priority… seeking to distract Jews from danger.
Terje Said:
another red herring thrown out by dishonest euros. All muslims subscribe to that creed, teach it in their mosques and put it in practice in Israel daily… anti semites must be driven out. I am not concerened as to whether some of the nazi subscribers did not kill jews… same with muslims… my concern is Jews… you want me to think about jew killers instead. if driving out the muslim anti semites ends muslim anti semitic abuse then good…. those who do not follow it are already known. Do you see any jews in the muslim areas they control? If not dont waste Jews time trying to make them concerned about their enemies.
@ bernard ross:
Is it a man’s name? Never heard it before. I just assumed. “A rose by any other name…”
When googling it, it came upon what seemed to be a three part man’s name. Mostly it’s coming up as a last name for a musician named Todd Terje. Pages and pages of Todd Terje links. I guess he’s popular.
All excellent points. Bravo!
Wish I could take credit for having known about your Bible — did you mention it before? — but who knows, maybe the universe (or who or whatever) is having fun speaking through my unconscious. It’s even better when humor just syncs with everything unintentionally, isn’t it? Did I ever mention my favorite joke of all time, where I disillusioned one gullible, musically ignorant audience, telling them that Bach’s time is called the Baroque era because not only were people too baroque to afford concert tickets but they were flat baroque because the A hadn’t gone up to 440. When I then proceeded to tell them how important coffee was symbolically and aesthetically to enlightenment era thinkers such that Bach wrote even wrote a Coffee Cantata, my having become the “boy who cried wolf” to them, they said*, “Yeah, right,” cynically, at which a second audience of musically educated onlookers of whom I had been unaware started to laugh at the reaction of the first audience because improbable sounding though it is, that part was true. He really did write a coffee cantata. You can google it to find performances and lyrics. It’s very funny. I call that the billiards effect. But, creators of jokes, I suppose, like novels or music, or poetry, if they hit on something that resonates, usually sort of on purpose by accident, find people finding all sorts of things there they never consciously thought of, as well. That’s why it actually was very traditional and appropriate for Bob Dylan to refuse comment at his recent Nobel Prize, saying, I just write the stuff, let others comment. Basically.
*It does seem to work better, sense wise, to say, they “went” (California “Valley Girl style)
** I read some pundit’s observation that President Trump has a California “Surfer Dude” accent rather than a New York accent. Hilariously, it’s true. I wonder how that came about.
@ Terje:
Read the article by B’at Yeor, I attached. That’s why.
Terje Said:
if you agreed you would be telling the euros of their disgusting behavior rather than trying to convince Jews to continue seeking peace with anti semitic jew killers
Terje Said:
not significant enough to be effectual in preventing the continuing collective institutional libeling and stalking of Israel and funding muslim jew killers
Terje Said:
I see the question to ponder as unimportant and irrelevant. In fact you dont find it important enough to have pondered it and come up with a single speculation. Furthermore, it seems more important to recognize that the euro left is an enemy than why they are an enemy. When someone is funding muslims to murder my children I prefer to kill them rather than ponder on what motivates them. When a gangs of escaped lunatics is trying to kill my children.. why is unimportant.
However, although unimportant I have immediate speculations:
First, they were not all for israel, UK supported and aided Jordanian invasion
Second, the euro left was soviet oriented and the soviets were originally pro israel and then went with the arabs in the 67 war…. best answer to explain lenins “useful euro idiots”
third, their support of Israel was due to their being exposed as barbarians in the holocaust…. therefore their anti semitism went covert. When they found a way to call the jews nazis they began to emerge from their closet…their covert support of the muslim jew killers was always there.. now it is overt.
the important thing is to recognize and internalize that the euro left has now aligned with the muslims in a war on the Jews and the jews should act accordingly. It is best to seek ways to weaken and damage your enemy before he succeeds in having his proxies murder your children. Luckily, the universe appears to have found a solution… in the arab spring and in the muslims turning on their paymasters and flooding europe while the russian bear nibbles from the east.
Terje Said:
How is this comment relevant to any prior comments, whats your point? Israel has survived by avoiding mines in mine fields, it could not survive if it relied on the “support” of the euros. Israel must seek new alliances as its enemies shift from the euro nazi right to the euro nazi left.
In the meantime a europe weakened and damaged by the muslim invasions and the russian bear will be less dangerous to Israel.
@ Leon Kushner:
Thank you, Leon! I have been saying for years what you said in your post. I have met the man a dozen times, and spoken with him. Feiglin is a once-in-a-generation thinker, along the lines of Jabotinski. And if all the Israelis who say “I like Feiglin but he will never win an election for Prime Minister” would vote for his Zehut party, he probably would win! Even though, to their shame, the settlers have rejected him in favor Bennet (who is really Bibi with a kippa), Feiglin has attracted large numbers of supporters in almost every sector of the Israeli public. And he is spot on about Bibi being the one to keep the embassy in Tel Aviv.
And to those who don’t care, the message moving it to Jerusalem would be more powerful than all the F-35s in the world (and it looks like Israel will be stuck with all the F-35s in the world). It tells the world that we don’t consider Israel the 51st state, and we will place our embassy in whatever city Israel calls its capitol. It tells the Arabs and Muslims that the days of coddling the oil states and the Jihadists are over. And nothing stops Jihadists like big symbolic defeats. These Jihadists will conclude that their idol allah is not on their side, and will look inward rather than outward for the reason. They will, basically, sit down and shut up.
Terje Said:
sorry to disagree… this is exactly the problem in Israel where muslim minorities engage in more anti semitic abuse than in paris. I think the first thing a Jewish state or gov should do is to make anti semitism a serious crime punishable by deportation(banishment)
Zorn said Said:
Actually I disagree, … your reply contains no supporting evidence… it is merely a typical leftist PC retort which seeks to defame the arguer.
civilized, barbarian shithole, functional legal system, african totalitarianism, religious maniacs…. typical generic rubbish which NEVER dealt with the actual argument in Israel.
There is nothing civilized about keeping and sheltering a terrorist caught in the act… in fact it is an unneccesary cost and an insult to victims to maintain him alive. The only reason to keep him alive is to get info. Even worse is that keeping them alive has encouraged further kidnapping for trading and some released terrorists have killed more victims. Its typical of euro leftists to encourage Jews to behaviors which are harmful and dangerous.
Terje Said:
Any evidence for your ludicrous comment?… or are you simply continuing your habit of defamation and deligimization, another typical euro leftist habit towards the Jews.
random patch,no tangible value, insane, crackpot opinions to be discarded, lunacy…… you are pathetic
the fact is, in spite of your moronic opinion that the yearning for the random patch over 2000 years appears to be linked to the actual achievement and aquisition of that random patch.
Apparently you are quite unread… both ignorant in scientific developments and long existent philosophical speculation.
Many a book has been written linking desire with achievement of goals…… and the very existence of the modern state of Israel is evidence of that concept.
I think that the one with the crackpot lunatic opinion here is you as the evidence suggests that the yearning brought the state of Israel… either that or a promise from a supernatural source….. or both…. in any case it exists after 2000 years of lunatics yearning
Terje Said:
so you think that kicking out anti semites who teach their children that jews are sons of apes and pigs is terrorist lunacy? Why would deporting, banning and banishing be considered terrorism and lunacy? that appears to be that libeling euro MO again which seeks to label jewish defense as terror and nazism. did the Jews EVER build industrial ovens for genocide?
Terje Said:
your comment is that of a ranting lunatic… there was no religious motive on the Jews part… it is the lunatic muslims who for religious reasons prevent the Jews from worshipping in the jewish homeland. Anti semites must not be allowed in the Jewish homeland… they can be in sweden norway and europe but NOT in the Jewish homeland.
Terje Said:
you are obviously a eurofraud… all they do is “honor” the holocaust… cutting ribbons while at the same time funding muslims to slaughter Jews. You are also a dishonest euro twisting meaning like the leftists did to trump and Israel. Getting rid of is deporting, banishing anti semites but you accuse the jews of seeking a holocaust like the euronazis who built factories for jew killing. I beleive you twist folks words intentionally, it is a tactic.. a strategy…. taqiyya.
Sebastien Zorn Said:
who is she, isnt that a norwegian male name?
@ Sebastien Zorn:
Since 1947. Why do you ask?
Why did they do that?
@ Sebastien Zorn:
This depends. Yes, Nazism is generally defined as the political ideas of the National Socialist party of Germany, but if you limit it to this Nazism today doesn’t exist since the party no longer exists. So, the definition of “fascism combined with racism and the ideas from social Darwinism” is more relevant today. So, does a more up-to-date Nazism exist among Jews today? Yes, as has been demonstrated in this discussion. Glenda Urmacher, for example, voices very clear Nazi ideas when she brands whole swaths of the worlds population as cockroaches. Her argument by the way is *identical* to the ones used in Nazi Germany *and* in the Arab world today. Considering the fact that genetically Arabs are (mostly) Semites, her views could even be described as antisemitic.
as I have noted elsewhere, I am an ex-Stalinist
And the only reason you stopped being a Stalinist was that he was (I am bewildered that this came as a surprise to you) was that he was antisemitic? If so, that would be sad. His antisemitic tendencies was not one of his most problematic ideas. Communism was. Socialism and communism is far worse than Nazism.
Terje Said:
Since when do secular Europeans support Israel?Terje Said:
There is no reason to pander to a liberal European Left that — as you, yourself have noted — now hates Israel. The reason, however, is not a mystery. The Left aligned itself with Islamism.
See:
Eurabia and Euro-Arab Antisemitism
By: Bat Ye’or
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=13529
for further information:
http://dhimmitude.org/index.html
http://dhimmitude.org/d_today_eurabia.html
Terje Said:
Depends on the Country. You clearly did not read Caroline Glick’s accurate article — on the front page of Israpundit, dated Jan. 25 from JPost,
“…AfD’s barely disguised xenophobia and Nazi sympathies make its empowerment disconcerting.
It also points to the fact that not all far-right parties are the same.
Le Pen, for instance has taken drastic steps to separate her National Front party from the antisemitic and fascist roots her father Jean-Marie Le Pen planted.
Wilders has adopted a decidedly pro-American and pro-Israel platform and record.
In Germany, though, the situation is different…”
https://www.israpundit.org/archives/63620983
or its one comment. Mine: “I remember reading that Albert Einstein had intended for the bomb to be used on Germany and was upset that it was used on Japan instead. I am glad it was used on Japan but I share his disappointment that it wasn’t used on the Krauts as well.”
By the way, there is no such thing as a Jewish Nazi. There are Only Jewish Nazi collaborators, whether they see themselves as such or not. Nazis are those who want all Jews, defined by race, dead. Period. The cure for Nazism is dead Nazis. And I’m no more religious than you are. But, I understand that the religious Zionists are the guardians at the gate keeping the murderous muslim hordes and the neo-Quisling Jews who would let them in — out.
It’s true, as I have noted elsewhere, I am an ex-Stalinist. Ex because I finally realized that Stalin really was an anti-semite. Otherwise, I would have no problem with his methods. As long as they get the job done. Actually, Stalin did take a similar position. He made an accommodation with the Russian Orthodox Church for the sake of national unity in fighting against the German invaders. That’ s why he called it “The Great Patriotic War.” As long as libertarians and atheists and other liberals like you refuse to call for expelling the enemy within — as every formerly occupied European country did with their German ethnic minorities — and the Muslim majority of Crimea, in the case of the Soviet Union — and affirming and defending Jewish sovereignty over all of Eretz Israel at a minimum from the river to the sea — I will block with your worst enemies on every issue. I am a 2nd Gen Jewish Shoah survivor and NEVER AGAIN — meaning only for the Jews — is my only slogan.
Terje Said:
They are rare.
“Most Israeli Arabs, who constitute 21 percent of the Israeli population, do not take arms against the Jewish state, but they almost never condemn or speak out publicly against the continuous anti-Israel and anti-Jewish campaign of terror and incitement to violence by their Palestinians brethren and leadership.
‘Tel Aviv Shooting
A letter to a friend in Ar’ara
Ben-Dror Yemini
Op-ed: There will be other Nashat Melhems. After all, dozens in the Arab sector have expressed solidarity with ISIS and thousands support terror. While they are far from being the majority, both you and I know that it doesn’t take more than a few to turn our lives into a nightmare.
Since 1967, a majority of Israeli Arabs have chosen to identify as Palestinians, Arabs or Muslims but never as Israelis, unless they want to receive a right or a benefit from the State or need to complain about alleged victimization and discrimination.”
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4750994,00.html
“In 2000, a poll published by the Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot revealed that 66 percent of Israeli Arabs would back the Palestinians in any confrontation with Israel, while only 13 percent would support their own country.”
https://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/2008/02/29/the-threat-from-israels-arab-population/
Description of relevant clip cited below bracketed section:
[‘”For many years we have been encountering the relentless attempts of anti Zionist Jews AKA AZZ* to divert the attention from the fact that Israel defines itself as the Jewish State. For some peculiar reason, it is Rabbi, Kahane, the ultimate Jewish bigot who reveals the full truth re Jewishness and the West.
strangely enough, this racist right wing Jew conveys more respect to Palestinians and Arabs than his ‘humanist’ opponents who actually dismiss Arab and Palestinian nationalist aspirations.
A Longer segment of Kahane’s speech can be found here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOdjZR2lN1s“]
This is the relevant clip:
http://respect-discussion.blogspot.com/2014/03/rabbi-meir-kahane-on-jewish-state-and.html
@ Glenda Urmacher:
So, here’s my question to you then. Why are so many Israeli Arabs joining the IDF and taking part in military operations in Lebanon, Gaza etc. Are those guys cockroaches as well?
None, and as long as the Arab nations have the attitude they have, there will be no peace. As someone once said (take with a grain of salt) “When the Arabs lay down their weapons, the conflict will seize to exist. When Israel lays down its weapons, Israel will seize to exist.”
Nobody is arguing Israel should stop fighting. I am just pointing out that there is a difference between being a Nazi and fighting for those ideals (which is what you are arguing) and fighting to live.
@ bernard ross:
I am, and I am using my vote to try to change it. In fact, I am using my vote to try to stop the government from supporting any infantile superstition of any kind. As a libertarian atheist (I prefer the term “thinking individual” to atheist) I support no religion anywhere, and terrorists deserve to be shot when they are in the process of committing terrorism. If they are caught afterwards they deserve a fair trial and the punishment that follows. The fact that Europe funds Arab terrorists who are jailed is the next battle. One after the other. Until we win. And we will. One day infantile superstition will be limited to where it belongs, in superstitious infants.
A state where dogma, be it political or religious, is the core principle on which the state is run will turn to evil no matter what. The problem isn’t Islam, Judaism, Socialism, Nazism. The problem is dogma. A state run by dogma can not avoid becoming an entity for regression.
@ bernard ross:
I agree. Do you understand the difference between “drive out those who teach…” and “drive out all arabs”? The fact that you are grouping all people of a certain type into one group and coloring that entire group as one is the same attitude that made the Holocaust possible? Are you sure you want to adopt those attitudes?
Again, you are advocating throwing out Arabs who are fighting for their homeland (Israel) in the IDF. Are you saying that Arabs who are fighting against the culture you describe are also guilty of perpetrating said culture?
Again, you are arguing IDENTICALLY to the Europeans and Germans of the 1930s. As a libertarian who is opposed to totalitarianism and soviet style socialism wherever I can find it, why would I support a Nazi Israel with strong soviet totalitarianism?
For secular Europeans the reason to support Israel is that it is a humanist democracy governed by law and (an astounding amount of) equality. Make Israel into a Socialist/Nazi totalitarian state run by a religious nutcase (in other words, make Israel like Iran) and I couldn’t give a rats ass if someone nuked the place. In the same way that I currently give a rats ass about someone nuking SA, the hinterlands of Iran (Tehran is actually quite civilized, but the civilized people of Iran are a tiny minority).
I would recommend you go see a doctor, your paranoia is playing up.Also, take a new look at the current political trends in Europe. They are not exactly Islamist friendly. For some reason no PR company in Israel and no politician in Israel is considering using the current strong anti-Islamic sentiment in Europe to show them there is an alternative to the lunacy in the ME. Instead you are advocating that Israel should emulate the Islamist. I would consider that a mistake.
@ bernard ross:
Nobody said you should. Just be humanistic and democratic.
@ bernard ross:
I totally agree. The European support of the Arabs is disgusting, and there is a significant part of the European population that opposes it. Now, here’s a question to ponder though. From 1945 and on Europe stood solidly behind Israel. Huge portions of the Liberal Left traveled to Israel (attempt in the weirdest ways) to help build the new nation. The Liberal Left in Europe was totally enamored with Golda Meir and friends. What changed? When? Why? I am not going to pretend to have the answer, but the question should be pondered.
However: Israel is not going to survive on its own. It simply isn’t going to happen. So, how to make sure there is always support for the country?
@ Sebastien Zorn:
It might surprise you to find that I agree with this, in fact, I think the best solution for the region is for Israel to do a couple of things. Firstly, make sure the law of the land is such that all minorities, no matter what, are strongly protected. Ataturk basically understood this in Turkey when he set up his military in such a way that any attempt at creating a Islamic state would be crushed by the military. Sadly morons in Europe and the US have fought the Turkish military for decades, and now we see the consequence, they are no longer strong enough to topple the lunatic in charge.
The difference between a civilized society and a barbarian shit hole is whether it has a functional legal system or not. You are arguing one should make Israel more like African totalitarian societies run by religious maniacs. I would not recommend that.
People who yearn for a random patch of geography with no tangible values are insane. Their opinions are crackpot can can easily be discarded as lunacy.
Yeah, you MUST be right. The best way to deal with terrorist lunatics is to become a terrorist lunatic. Turning Israel into a crackpot religious insane asylum removes any reason to support it. I don’t care what kind of lunatic fantasy that drives your life, if you use your religious hallucinations to oppress, you are just like the others who use their religious lunacy to oppress. I recommend you do NOT become like your enemies.
Your comment is IDENTICAL to that used in Nazi Germany. Are you saying the best way to honor the Holocaust is to create a new one? Sounds a little weird.
@ bernard ross:
Actually, it pleases me to hear that she’s sad. I mean sad liberals is reason enough to rejoice in this zero sum game, but additionally, liberals are only sad when they feel hopeless; when they see the main chance, they are angry. Sad is better than angry. Depression is rage turned inward, where it belongs, in this case. I don’t want to give the impression that I hate liberals. Far from it.
As it happens, I do, but I don’t want to give that impression.
And now, for my next impression…
If we have learned nothing else,
There is no such animal , as land for peace!
Arabs want to see all of Israel destroyed and her population murdered..
How many wars have been fought? How much land has been given for peace?
And what peace does Israel have?
As long as the arabs know that the world will force Israel to give up land for peace,
they have no incentive to make peace, they will always start wars, and lose, but hey,
collect euros from the idiots in Europe, and collect dollars from the American idiots, and somewhere down the road, exclaim, “Land for Peace”.
And everyone jumps on the band wagon.
Please Israel, stop listening to world diatribes.
IT IS YOUR CHILDREN’S BLOOD BEING SPILLED.
IT IS YOUR CHILDREN BEING STABBED IN THEIR BEDS.
IT IS YOUR GRANDMAS AND GRANDPAS WALKING YOUR INFANTS ON THE PROMENADES BEING BOMBED.
Wake up.
You will never have peace.
Get use to it.
Tell the Europeans and Americans to stick their collective noses up their tushes,
and to mind their own GD business.
They have enough problems in their own countries.
Let them clean up their own act before they give their opinions to Israel.
Professor Klein is a well known leftist advocate of dividing the Land with Arabs…. He hasn’t changed an iota in over 30 years I have seen him on TV. I think his expertise (sarc) is Syria and for years urged Israel to come to terms with Assad and trade the Golan for a sort of Peace agreement…. He has been debunked in all his beliefs and TG, he didn’t get his way re: Syria but theses crazy German Jewish Kappos never learn they were never nationalistic and are certainly not now. Like the American left they never let the fats and truth interfere or change their political beliefs.
Terje Said:
Its too bad you are not saddened by the massive funding by the euro govs and churches of those connected to killing Jews… hypocrites are always saddened by chat but murder escapes their sadness, especially their own murders. The millennial serial killers now pay others to do their dirty work until it comes back in fashion to do it overtly themselves…. every time you see the muslims murders and rapes in europe, think of my prediction and understand that it is there for a reason… just not a “secular humanist” reason. Science is corrective in nature… bodies are infected… immune systems activate and kill the infection or the bodies die… the dna programming can predict which infections and addictions are likely to end the life.
https://www.israpundit.org/archives/63620946
@ Terje:
Don’t know what to call them. I feel sorry for all non-anti-semitic sentient beings, animals, insects, reptiles. Did you know that gila monsters and boa constructors make affectionate and loyal pets? But dehumanization of eliminationist anti-semitic — the only meaning of the word, “Nazi” — populations is necessary and right in order to overcome innate compassion, which is inappropriate here, towards them. Fortunately, other species don’t speak English or Hebrew so they shouldn’t be too offended.
Though it’s true, like today’s Progressives, Hitler had compassion for animals but not Jews. I have compassion for animals but not Hitlerites. Anybody who thinks that’s the same is an idiot. Or a Buddhist. If the latter, I respect your beliefs, but I believe in the separation of temple and state.
How about processing anti-semitic terrorists for pet food and medical experiments instead of innocent animals? Instead of just killing them. Very American Indian. Waste not, want not. After they’ve been wasted, that is. Ha Ha.
Feiglin is right. the guy talking to Feiglin who sees no connection to Jerusalem or YS does not realize that the justification for tel aviv existence is based on judaism and the connection of the Jewish people. Without that the world will consider the euro jew descendants the same as the Rhodesian colonists that Mugabe kicked out and took all their lands decades after independence. they will say the arabs are right to kick out these colonists from elsewhere…. and they will pressure israel for more concessions based on secularism… no right of return for jews unless arabs too… and why not… why should jews be special in a secular state?
when I listen to that guy talk I think to myself…. why give a crap if they dont…. Im pretty sure thats what Trump will think. Israel is the problem, not Trump, stop looking everywhere else for a solution… only that which Israel embraces will be considered to accept by foreigners… anything in dispute among Israelis… the least demand will be given. That is why we can safely expect that YS outside the major blocks is likely already agreed to give away which is why BB never builds there, why he dismantles there, why he demonizes setters there. why he never supports the right of Jewish settlements outside the major block ghetto boundaries, why he allows the euros to build muslim homes there, why he gives land to pals to build cities there… its a done deal… just waiting for the Jews and the pals on the street to accomodate themselves to that…. thats why a status quo and small moves… getting folks used to not wanting more than what they got now.
@ Terje:
“Kindness to the cruel leads to cruelty to the kind.” -Maimonides
http://www.acpr.org.il/english-nativ/06-issue/shochetman-6.htm
Terje Said:
I am sorry to say it does not appear common in Israel. I think its because the Jews are in a Stockholm Syndrome of emulating and always trying to please their masters who kept them in captivity and slaughter. That is why they dont rise up and slaughter the murderers of their children in the ME and in Europe. It is a good sentiment to seek to drive out those who daily teach their children that jews are sons of apes and pigs… those slime teach it in their mosques within the Jewish homeland… In my view there should be no accomodation with filth teaching such things… and those who seek to put those plans into action should be destroyed without mercy. There should be zero tolerance of anti semitism everywhere but in Israel anti semitism should be rewarded with immediate deportation and banning of entry. I used to believe that the euros were just ignorant of reality but now I beleive their behavior is intentional.
Terje Said:
only a lunatic would seek to equate the muslim culture of head chopping, throat slitting, honor killing, suicide bombing,schoolgirl kidnapping and enslavement, infidel rape and enslavement, christian crucifying, etc etc etc….. with the culture of the Nobel Prizewinners who daily seek and achieve advances to the world in medicine, science, technology and art.
Those who seek to make that deceitful equation will be destined to suffer the knowledge of its falseness, firsthand. Europe will learn that they have lied. According to Aeschylus “in suffering man grows wise”.
Terje Said:
when you lie, you murder a part of the world… all the evils coming to europe are a result of those lies…. the europeans and the muslims they pay to kill the Jews are the nazis. It is a delusion that euros are secular and humanist… they are secular nazi liars and serial bloodthirsty murderers who cannot rid themselves of their addiction.
Terje Said:
you should be troubled by the euro funding of the murder of jewish children…. remember that I predicted their fate here, europe will wake up or be burned to cinders by their employees.
Its only right.
Terje Said:
That is because those who are guilty of serial murder and stalking have a schizphrenic bent…. they cannot admit to themselves how really disgusting and despicable they are and therefore they invent narratives which exult and edify themselves pretending to a moral high ground… like the euros funding the murder of jewish children today while pointing fingers at the jewish state as a justification for their filthy ways. This is the modus operandi of serial killers who invent fairy tales to themselves to find justification for their murders.
Terje Said:
why should jews be more humanistic and democratic than others… why do the euros engage with their muslim allies in weekly admonshment of Israel but not all the muslim states who are ten times less humanistic and democratic? Israel is more humanistic and democratic than europe ever has been or will be. The thieves of europe and Islam stole the Jewish bible and culture… exiled the jews from their homeland… and used the jewish Torah and culture as the foundation stone of their own plagiarism and ever since have set out on a mission to kill all the witnesses to their ongoing crime. The land is the Jewish homeland… the euros stated and signed to that fact… the jews attempted to live in peace with the receivers of their stolen property and now it is too late.
Here is my prediction which I stated here 2 years ago… that the muslim stooges of the euros who fund them will turn on their paymasters and flood their lands….. today we see the universe correcting the world whereby the muslims canniblize each other in “arab springs” and have now begun to turn on their paymasters to cannibalize them. I predict that this is the teaching experience for the euro liars and hypocrites stalking Jews…. they will find out the terrors and tribulations of living with muslims…. the same muslims they daily seek to push down the Jews throats.
Terje Said:
I can understand that lonesome feeling… after all the euros spent 2000 years swindling, abusing, slandering, libeling, torturing and slaughtering Jews and it appears that whether secular or religious it was a serial and chronic behavior. What makes me sad is that after doing that for 2000 years they have stalked the Jews back to their homeland and are now funding the muslim arabs to do their dirty work of killing Jews for them…. while continueing to swindle Jews of their homeland and libel them in the same manner as they did with their medieval blood libels.
I dont know why the euros insist that the Jews, who spent centuries living with Islam both as dhimmis and conquerors and since independence and numerous wars have in futility even offered the colonial islamic marauders from arabia, pieces of their historic homeland as an appeasement hoping for some peace….. live with the Jew killers. Of course that does not work because one cannot have peace with those who teach their children that jews are sons of apes and pigs and daily put that principle into action. So why do the euros insist that the Jews continue to live with them and as a reward for their intolerant millenial anti semitism and violence….. give them parts of the Jewish homeland to be maintained JEW FREE….. think of the abusurdity of it all… the jews give the violent anti semites the jewish homeland to maintain JUDENREIN. If you allow folks into your home who keep trying to kill you because their religious, political, military domination ideology demands it….. do you then reward them by giving them bits of your home where you are banned?
And Jews like you are the reason for millennium , Jews have been pummeled, destroyed and massacred.
We tend to believe all human being are like us.
Caring, trusting, will to help ALL their fellow beings.
But history has proven that to be false.
Had there not of been progroms, Holocausts, death camps, etc. our numbers would have been something like 250 million in the
world today, instead of 13 million.
Despite many Israelis thinking that Moshe Feiglin is nuts, I’ve read some of his books, listened to his speeches and came to the conclusion that he is a deep thinker and correct in his assessments. I believe he’s right on the money here again. Sadly it’s the left leaning Jewish Israeli’s (like the guy he’s debating) that are not in love with the idea of making Jerusalem their Jewish capital. Sadly Bibi is included in this cohort. Unfortunately most if not all of his predecessors felt the same way. My proof? The Temple Mount would never have been given control to Jordan’s Muslim authority. 2 nasty Mosques dominate our most religious site. Jews are prohibited to pray at the Temple Mount, etc. I can go on and on.
I believe that Bibi has led Trump to believe that moving the US embassy to Jerusalem is just not that important to him and if Trump doesn’t move it, it’ll be Israel’s fault not Trump’s!
@ Glenda Urmacher:
Thank you for proving that the difference between your and Nazi German rhetoric is identical. It makes me sad to see a Nazi Jew.
@ Edgar G.:
I love it. You’ve got my “vote. Why not take care of Areas A and B like that, as well. They can go anywhere but Israel or Area C which, needless to say, should be fully incorporated into Israel immediately without giving the Arabs citizenship. And if Belgium, Spain or the UK, say, decide to arrest Israeli leaders, fine we kidnap and arrest theirs. Especially judges. Time to get rid of judges who make law and even foreign policy from the bench. Everywhere. Did you see this outrage?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38721650
They have the nerve to overturn a bloody referendum, after the fact, when it doesn’t go their way? And to turn it over to a Parliament that is based on proportional representation, giving these blokes exactly zero accountability? “Something rotten in the state of Denmark.” Blimey!
@ Sebastien Zorn:
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Personally, as I wrote several times some years ago, I would give the Gaza inhabitants a week to get themselves out of the whole area, go wherever they can, except Israel, and then Carpet Bomb progressively. Beginning at the northern part and slowly pulverizing everything above-and hope below also- ground until they reach the Sinai corridor. Then, when the dust has settled, walk in and reunite it with San Remo Palestine/Israel.
And that’s the only way to do it. All the “machers” who want to pontificate for hours days, weeks, months, indeed years, let them be in a closed auditorium and talk to-or at- one another whilst the real business if going on for the future of the Jewish People.
Sebastien Zorn Said:
Correction: I should have said, “electrified barbed wire.” Sorry. Silly oversight.
When your minority reproduces like cockroaches, it is only a matter of time before the Jewish State of Israel becomes a minority within their own country.
Their should be as many muslims in Israel, as there are Jews and Christian in 23 muslim countries of the world.
I have been saying this to Jews and Christian for over 50 years.
Why didn’t these people rebel when they were under Jordanian rule for 19 years?
Oh well, they did, and on a given day ( Black Sept. I think ) the Jordanian army massacred 27,000 people who thought they could get what they wanted from the Jordanians by the same ‘schtick’ they have been perpetrating on the Israelis since before 1948, and up until today..
Only we Jews have to internalize, and debate, ad nauseam, and think we are dealing with humans, instead of these Neanderthals.
We have research projects in medical schools, to help them reproduce when they have recessive genes aborting fetuses. Thats what you get when for millenniums you marry first cousins.
And stupid us come to the rescue, like there aren’t enough of them, we need them to have more!
No the Jordanians had the right idea.
When a suicide bombers, stabbers are caught, the Israelis demolish a home.
They should demolish the entire village, and ban the whole village for this act of murder.
Lose their citizenship, medical aid, education for their children.
That is the only thing morons understand.
And drive them into Gaza, or the Sinai Peninsula ( which we should retake after the next war, which the Egyptians will surely enter.
@ ArnoldHarris:
@ Glenda Urmacher:
@ Edgar G.:
@ Rick:
@ Flamenco62:
I agree
@ Terje:
Couldn’t disagree more. BB was right. Jews should leave Europe now while there is time. Israel should always expand her borders, never contract. As with our illegals here, the Arabs should get out or be deported. Pronto. Terrorists caught in the act (in other words where there is no reasonable doubt of their guilt), should be executed on the spot. Soldiers who execute terrorists should receive medals, promotions, paid leaves, and bonuses. Not dishonorable discharge, jail. This is the disgrace. You invoke the Nazis. Ha Ha. We didn’t defeat the Axis by being less brutal on the battle field. The Germans destroyed Lidice and Warsaw, Look what we did to Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Nuremberg. We deported all ethnic Germans from the Sudetanland, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Stalin deported the Muslim population of Crimea. We interned Japanese, Germans, and Italians. Look at the tactics of the French and other resistance movements. That’s how you win a war. You must emulate the tactics of fascism to win against it. Otherwise, as Orwell presciently said, “Pacifism is inherently fascist because when you weaken one side, you automatically strengthen the other.” But no one but Arabs advocates gas chambers and ovens and only for Jews. The Arabs are and were the Nazi’s closest allies. To be pro-Arab is objectively to be pro-Nazi. To be pro-exclusively-Jewish Greater Israel is to be anti-Nazi. To oppose Jewish Power is anti-semitism, for a Jew, it is treason.
By the way, both of these characters seem to be insufficiently attached to Jerusalem (ridiculous to exclude the old city, the Jerusalem we have been yearning for for thousands of years is precisely the old city.) The Arabs only want it because they think if they cut off Israel’s head, we will die. Let the Arab Snakes have their heads cut off instead.
“The PLO covenants of 1964 and 1968 did not mention Jerusalem once. The Palestinian National Charter of 1968 likewise does not mention Jerusalem a single time. (Fatah’s charter does mention Jerusalem once.)
‘If Jerusalem has always been so central to Palestinian Arab nationalism, then why was it ignored for so long?” …
“They don’t want Jerusalem – they want to ensure that Jews do not have Jerusalem. Because they know that Israel without Jerusalem is just a secular state, and they can deal with a secular state, because such states come and go. They cannot deal with a proud Jewish state that asserts rights that go back to before Islam existed.”
https://www.algemeiner.com/2014/11/14/why-jerusalem-really-matters-to-the-palestinians/
I say move the embassy now. Kick the arabs out of all of Jerusalem, for starters. Deport them all to Gaza. Create buffer zones between Gaza and surrounding countries. Turn Gaza into a Bantustan. A big ghetto surrounded by barbed wire and machine gun towers. Until it’s time to get rid of them. When the international community objects, do what everybody else does. Threaten them into silence. And back it up. In the end, might makes right, except of course, when the other guy has it. And europeans, like the moslems they love so much are famous for their cowardice when confronted. I’m so sick of hearing about injured arab or muslim pride. It’s these sub-human bastards’ turns to be humiliated, their spirits crushed!
http://raymondibrahim.com/2015/08/18/the-islamic-roots-of-the-yellow-badge-of-shame/
@ ArnoldHarris:
@ Glenda Urmacher:
@ Edgar G.:
@ Rick:
@ Flamenco62:
I agree
@ Terje:
Couldn’t disagree more. BB was right. Jews should leave Europe now while there is time. Israel should always expand her borders, never contract. As with our illegals here, the Arabs should get out or be deported. Pronto. Terrorists caught in the act (in other words where there is no reasonable doubt of their guilt), should be executed on the spot. Soldiers who execute terrorists should receive medals, promotions, paid leaves, and bonuses. Not dishonorable discharge, jail. This is the disgrace. You invoke the Nazis. Ha Ha. We didn’t defeat the Axis by being less brutal on the battle field. The Germans destroyed Lidice and Warsaw, Look what we did to Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Nuremberg. We deported all ethnic Germans from the Sudetanland, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Stalin deported the Muslim population of Crimea. We interned Japanese, Germans, and Italians. Look at the tactics of the French and other resistance movements. That’s how you win a war. You must emulate the tactics of fascism to win against it. Otherwise, as Orwell presciently said, “Pacifism is inherently fascist because when you weaken one side, you automatically strengthen the other.” But no one but Arabs advocates gas chambers and ovens and only for Jews. The Arabs are and were the Nazi’s closest allies. To be pro-Arab is objectively to be pro-Nazi. To be pro-exclusively-Jewish Greater Israel is to be anti-Nazi. To oppose Jewish Power is anti-semitism, for a Jew, it is treason.
By the way, both of these characters seem to be insufficiently attached to Jerusalem (ridiculous to exclude the old city, the Jerusalem we have been yearning for for thousands of years is precisely the old city.) The Arabs only want it because they think if they cut off Israel’s head, we will die. Let the Arab Snakes have their heads cut off instead.
“The PLO covenants of 1964 and 1968 did not mention Jerusalem once. The Palestinian National Charter of 1968 likewise does not mention Jerusalem a single time. (Fatah’s charter does mention Jerusalem once.)
‘If Jerusalem has always been so central to Palestinian Arab nationalism, then why was it ignored for so long?” …
“They don’t want Jerusalem – they want to ensure that Jews do not have Jerusalem. Because they know that Israel without Jerusalem is just a secular state, and they can deal with a secular state, because such states come and go. They cannot deal with a proud Jewish state that asserts rights that go back to before Islam existed.”
https://www.algemeiner.com/2014/11/14/why-jerusalem-really-matters-to-the-palestinians/
I say move the embassy now. Kick the arabs out of all of Jerusalem, for starters. Deport them all to Gaza. Create buffer zones between Gaza and surrounding countries. Turn Gaza into a Bantustan. Until it’s time to get rid of them.
Flamenco62 Said:
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Extensive archaeological investigations for many years have shown that Mecca was NOT thr centre of trading, but a small isolated village/cum/town. There are no remains anywhere there that show differently. BUT… the remains which would normally be matched with what the Koran says about Mecca, show abundantly in the Eastern Desert. They came to the conclusion that Muhammed as described, had never existed, but may be an amalgam of several people with a local bandit leader named Muhammed (this is pure conjecture) and anyway, the Koran is composed from meanderings of very ancient men who are telling stories-or dreams- from about 200-250 years before. It’s reported that there were many tens of thousands of sayings which were winnowed until only several thousand remained that could possibly have been uttered by someone resembling the being they imagined to be Muhammed.
To imagine the former must surely mean that he never stopped talking 24 hours a day, even whilst breathing in…
Aside, …do you know that his overnight urine was collected and divided up every morning to drink, for specially “favoured” cronies….. I kid you NOT.
Astonishing…..!!
@ Glenda Urmacher:
This comment makes me sad. Living in Europe and supporting Israel is a tad “lonesome”. Some times people with which you have an exchange of political opinion view you as some sort racist, bigoted neo-nazi. My argument is always, and will always be, that supporting Israel is supporting humanism and democracy. I hope the sentiment above is not all that common in Israel. Why?
Replace the word “Arab” with the word “Jew” above, and replace the word “Israel” with the word “Europe”, and you have Germany anno 1936.
Why on earth would a secular humanist support a Nazi Israel? We fought, at the cost of millions, Nazis to rid the world of them. Seeing Israelis with the same views as Germans from the 1930s is a little troubling. To put it mildly.
The question is not just where the U.S. Embassy is located. The question is: What is the soul/epicenter of the Jewish people? Jerusalem is written in the Torah over 600 times. It is not written in the Koran even one time. G-d told King Solomon in the Book of Kings to build the First Temple on the Temple Mount, where Avraham was told by G-d to offer up Isaac. This offering was known as the Akeidah, a description of which can be found in the book of Genesis (Bereishiet).
With the above in mind, why then do Muslims claim the Temple Mount as theirs? Muhammad, born in the 7th century A.D., had a dream that his donkey rose to the heavens and then fell down to the earth onto…you guessed it…the Temple Mount…What a coincidence. Bear in mind that Muhammad and his band of guerrillas stormed the 2 Jewish tribes living in the Arabian peninsula and trading with the Beduin Arabs for centuries. When Muhammad came to the Jews and told them he was the Messiah, they mocked him and said it was impossible because in the Torah, it states very clearly the events that should be present when the Messiah comes (Deuteronomy). Muhammad not only stormed the Jewish camps in the Arabian Peninsula, but he completely exterminated them, including their animals – men, women, children. No survivors.
Muhammad was never IN Jerusalem. He determined that Mecca was the Muslim holy epicenter, and then Medina (where he grew up), and third, due to his “dream,” Jerusalem. But we know that because of his hatred for the Jews, he wanted to steal the Jewish heritage and thus, eradicate them from the face of the earth. Today, the Muslims know that “he who controls Jerusalem controls the universe.” They know this better than most Jews, who are ignorant of their heritage and ignorant of Torah.
The Christians, whose Old Testament is the Jewish Torah, know better than many Jews just how epicentral to the Jewish soul is the Temple Mount. The New Testament, which describes the birth of Jesus Christ, is of course based on the Old Testament. Jesus was a Jew, and he preached on the Temple Mount and stood on the steps of the Second Temple, which was destroyed by the Romans in 70 A.D., after Jesus was crucified. Jesus walked on the Via Delarosa; He baptized his followers in the Sea of Galilee. The book, Follow the Steps of the Bible takes the modern reader through many of the biblical places in Israel, step by step.
The Bible is filled with descriptions of Jewish life and heritage in Jerusalem and environs for thousands of years. The Muslims understand that if Jerusalem is stolen from the Jews and renamed a Muslim name; if they can de-legitimize the Jewish State and steal and destroy all vestiges of a Jewish heritage, then ultimately they will carry out the mission that Hitler almost completed. Why do you think ISIS is destroying all vestiges of Christianity everywhere they go?
Why do you think that under the guise of building a mosque UNDER the Temple Mount in 1996, in Solomon’s Stables, the Muslim Waqf, under the auspices of Jordan, permitted the complete destruction of artifacts from the Second Temple period that were buried in this area and then thrown into the garbage? We’re talking 2,000 years of Jewish antiquities thrown into the trash and the world did not blink an eye or utter a word of protest?
Why do you think that ISIS destroys Buddhist treasures? Hindu treasures? Why do you think that almost all the Jews in Hevron were massacred by the Muslims in the region of Palestine during the British Mandate period in 1929, before the modern State of Israel was born? Why did the Farhud occur in Iraq, where Jews lived since the destruction of the First Temple? The Farhud was the murder of 2,500 Jews in a 48-hour period by Muslims.
Bottom line: Jerusalem is the eternal city of the Jewish people. It is the heart and soul of the Jewish people. The fact that Israel is a democracy and recognizes all religions, does not change the Jewish heritage and importance of the Temple Mount and Jerusalem as the capitol of the Jewish people.
The false narrative of this term “Palestinian People” is not only advanced by the BDS movement, and other Jew-hating groups, but also by Jews themselves, who are ignorant of their own history. The Egyptian, Yasser Arafat, in 1963, made up the term “Palestinian” – They were never an indigenous people; there never was a country called Palestine; there never was a coinage, a language, a heritage, a culture of a Palestinian people. Does anybody know this??
Yehuda and the Shomron, named in the Bible, were renamed Judea and Samaria. After the Romans destroyed the Jewish Second Temple in 70 A.D., they renamed Judea and Samaria Palestina and then the British renamed this region Palestine. Jews, Christians, Beduin Arabs lived in this region. Muhammad was not even born yet. The religion of Islam was not even born yet. Remember? Islam came into being in the 7th century A.D.
To sum this all up, moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem is a de facto recognition of the truth: Jerusalem is the eternal city of the Jewish people. All embassies in all countries are located in the capital city. It sure would be nice, after 2,000 years, for the Jewish people to have a modern capital city that is the eternal city of the Jewish people, as written in the Bible that is accepted by over a billion people in the world.
Maybe you are right and nobody should care where the US or any other embassy is. But the hard truth is that little things matter and moving to Jerusalem could prove to be a bargaining point.
Just the fact that the US is considering the move to Jerusalem has sent the Palestinians ballistic, that is a good thing. Goes to prove how the optics of threatening to do something will precipitate results.
Before they did not care and had nothing to lose, now the Palestinians are walking on eggs and not blowing up anyone.
Like Einstein said: the definition of crazy is to do the same thing over and over, then expect different results. Now, finally something different is going to be tried.
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The two posts above from Arnold and Glenda match my sentiments exactly, except that it does matter to ME that ALL embassies should be in our recognised capital-Jerusalem.
The conversation on the video was unsatisfactory for me, because as well as reading the script I wanted to know who was speaking, and the “expert” had a rather high pitched voice hard to distinguish from the interlocutor; also Hebrew was thrown into the mix.
For a religious person not to be concerned whether his heart’s dream is to be recognised as his country’s capital with all the dignity a capital carries, is unheard of, especially for a Jew.
I heard it said-paraphrasing- why bother insisting that the Embassies move to Jerusalem or even have Jerusalem… BECAUSE IT”S OUR PROPERTY ..IT’S ON OUR LAND. That’s why…And it deserves the respect that all capitals are entitled to. It does not belong to the individuals who live there as the “brain” seemed to assert, but to the whole Jewish Nation born and unborn, for ever, and certainly not to any Arabs or Christians.
This alone should settle the silly pilpulim ad infinitum which seemed to me to make the main portion of the video. Sometimes, short and straight to the point gets to the core better than flights of metaphysical fancies and airy postulations.
Admittedly I surely missed something, it was all going at too frantic a pace for me to be able to digest in comfort.
You are absolutely correct.
Israel has to be arab free to survive.
And if arab countries can be Judeinrein, so to shall Israel be arab free.
I married in Israel more than 50 + years ago, and the reason I didn’t make it my home was
because of the arabs living there.
I was no going to have children to die in wars not of my country’s making.
ARABS MUST GET OUT OF ISRAEL.
More of the same Israeli government bullshit I have been hearing and reading since my wife and I lived and studied there 44 years ago.
Actually, I couldn’t care less where the US embassy in Israel is located. My interest in Israel is focused on complete and exclusively Jewish development of all parts of Eretz-Yisrael west of the Jordan River, along with phased deportation or buyout of the Arabs living in historic Jewish lands.
That, plus the imperative to render Israel a truly independent state, not one endlessly dependent upon on-again/off-again friendly regimes in this or than outside empire.
As for democracy as a goal of governance, I say fuck that. For the same reason that I want the United States of America to be a nationalist and constitutional republic, that’s what I want for Israel as well. That’s the only kind of country any self-respecting and loyal Jew should want anything to do with.
As for those of you who are more concerned with where a foreign embassy build is located, as seemingly more important than the need for a complete and fully Jewish Eretz-Yisrael, you are still walking around the streets of Jerusal lightly chloroformed, as Saul Bellows wrote in one of his memorable stories.
Arnold Harris, Outspeaker