At first we were told that 25,000 would be deported right away. Secondly , it is not for the UN to decide about the danger to Eritreans. That’s for Israel’s courts to decide. Thirdly, more are coming in daily than what we are sending back. How come we still let them in. If need be we should pay then $1000 each to leaved. It wopuld be worth the $50 million. Ted Belman
JPOST reported on Liberman’s talk with Yisrael Beiteinu.
- [..] Regarding the deportation of migrants, Liberman — in an apparent reference to Interior Minister Eli Yishai — said the overheated rhetoric over the issue was damaging his ministry’s efforts to find solutions to the
51,000 Eritrean and Sudanese migrants who cannot be deported, as well as harming Israel’s image in the US. Israel has no diplomatic relations with Sudan, and the UN has declared that migrants from Eritrea cannot be deported because their lives would be in danger.
- “There are many people who are sacrificing Israel’s interests for their own narrow electoral party interest,” he said. “I don’t remember for a long time the degree of criticism coming from Israel’s friends, first and foremost in the US, as has been the case over this story.”
Liberman asked whether Israel wanted to solve the migrant problem, or just talk about it. His ministry, he said, was trying to solve it through contacts with other countries, but that all the rhetoric has erased the achievements and created a situation where it will be impossible to deport 90 percent of the migrants.[..]
According to Liberman, of the 65,000 migrants, 35,000 are from Eritrea and 15,000 from Sudan, and the “festival” surrounding the deportation of a few hundred South Sudanese has erased efforts to find an agreed solution to the entire problem.
Liberman said that since the beginning of the campaign to deport the South Sudanese on June 10, 120 migrants have been deported, while another 504 have entered the country, including 70 migrants Monday morning. [..]
@ Catarin:
I think that we should outlaw Islam because it is a seditious movement advocating violent rebellion against the legal government of the United States.
So you think Obama should be the very first president of the United States to go against the Constitution and deny certain people of their rights in the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights and Constitution? He can’t do that and you know it. I’m all for deporting Muslims and any other people who make threats against the government and citizens of the U.S. After a hearing these traitors should be loaded aboard airplanes and deposited in Muslim countries, and if no Muslim country wants them, drop them off on K2.
Many Muslims are not civilized and never will be. They aren’t civilized in the West or Muslim countries. Countries should retain the right to change their minds when they end up with these freaks before these freaks blow us all up.
@ Catarin:
I agree that it is smart to keep good young people. Every case should be looked at individually.
However no Muslims should be allowed in United States.
So while the temporary order is good, Obama is still a turd in a suit.
And basically all his decisions are made to manipulate the electorate. This man does not love America, he is a traitor, communist and a musloid.
This accusation coming from rabid Jew-haters.
@ Linda Rivera:
This is in flux. The Silent Majority is turning on Israel.
@ Linda Rivera:
It would be a truly enlightened act if Israel would outlaw Islam.
Condemnation? Well, how many countries condemn Saudi Arabia for outlawing Judaism there? Or Jordan for that sake? Or for all practical purposes Egypt? How many Jews are left in Egypt? They have 81 million people and less than 81 Jews, that’s less than 1/million. Then fine, we can allow up to 1/million of Israeli population to be Muslim. That’s 6 Muslims. Yea, we should keep 6 Muslims to show the world that we are tolerant 🙂
@ Laura:
America was built by immigrants. Although it’s true new immigrants sometimes are bullied (like the Irish a hundred years ago), they settle in and then are mad about the next group of immigrants that come. Out of fashion at the moment are the Somalis, but a big part of that is they are controlled by the Muslim organization CAIR which purposefully inhibits their ability to fit in. These Muslims don’t care if they ruin these people. But look, somebody has to pluck the chickens, work in slaughter houses, clean up big messes, and most Americans refuse to do these jobs.
The amnesty Obama granted young Mexicans will enhance the abilities of America and Mexico. Mexicans don’t blow us up and their Christianity fits in. Mexico once owned the Southwest United States, and there were always a lot of Mexicans there and now they are spread all over the U.S. Yes, there are some Chicanos who want Mexico to take back the Southwest but as the Mexican population grows, their voting privileges will allow them to make changes. The highest number of immigrants right now are Asians. The U.S. wants them to stay and start new businesses here, rather than requiring that they return home to Asia after school, so big changes are coming in the future of immigration. Already some industries cannot find enough workers who have the skills to work in high tech plants so schools are sprouting up to teach new categories.
Bravo to Obama for making this move. Since many Republicans refuse to work in the U.S. congress and when they do work they do all they can to batter the President, there was no need to ask them in the first place.
@ Canadian Otter:
Ketzaleh is not only an idiot he is an embarrassment. Remember he still believed in and supported Sharon right up till the ethnic cleansing of Gaza and Gush Katif.
As long as our politicians and leaders care and fear what the Goyim say and think about us more than they care for we Israelis, they will do nothing until all hell breaks loose and they have no choice but to act.
There are still 3k American Black Heebs here in Dimona who should have been deported years ago but the Government was afraid of the American and Black backlash against American Jews and a deathly fear of being labeled racist. I aid that if you allow these American blacks to live in Israel against our laws why not Arabs and Africans? They have set the precedent years ago.
What no one says is that if 60-80K Africans can enter Israel freely why not terrorists? Damn scary that we have such idiots leading us.
Anti-African Rally in Tel Aviv
Israeli left and (Beautiful People) demonstrate for the Africans
Race-hate Israelis protest against African asylum seekers
@ yamit82:
It is possible that the fires were started by leftists who want to turn these people into martyrs, so as to create a wave of guilt in Israel, condemnation abroad, and sympathy everywhere for the Africans in Israel.
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Violence wouldn’t deter Africans. They are used to it.
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There are two much bigger problems than the 60,000 or so Africans in Israel.
One is the millions of genuine refugees who will now feel entitled to demand asylum in Israel.
The other is the perplexing attitude by the government, and even by nationalist MKs.
National Union MK Yaakov Katz suggested months ago the construction of a city for African infiltrators. He wasn’t kidding.
A legal option exists. It has been discussed on this page.
What’s missing is the will by authorities to even contemplate it. And insufficient pressure by Israelis on their government.
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PS – This government attitude is reminiscent of the one they have regarding Jews’ legal rights to Yesha land according to League of Nations/St Remo Conference. The government pretends it has never heard about it. Strange how the government seems to suffer from Sudden Cluelessness Syndrome when it concerns laws that would protect Jewish rights.
This is the only way to force an end to the Governments inaction…MORE TO FOLLOW ALL OVER THE COUNTRY!
Jerusalem apartment housing African migrants goes up in flames; police suspect arson
Four Eritreans rushed to hospital; anti-migrant graffiti scrawled on door
OUR PEACE PARTNER(SPIT) EGYPT IS BEHIND MUCH OF THIS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
South Tel Aviv Is On Fire
Note that the few sent back (to South Sudan) were CHRISTIANS. Almost ALL of the illegal infiltrators are MUSLIMS. Yet it is the Muslims, an extremely dangerous Fifth Column in Israel, who are allowed to remain. The Muslim infiltrators will certainly join in the war against Jews when multiple Arab armies attack Israel again.
Every one of the Muslims must be sent back immediately on the grounds that the Koran commands that every Muslim is to wage jihad and that the Koran commands Muslims to conquer ALL nations. By Islam’s own teaching, the illegal Muslim infiltrators in Israel are a hostile invading army who plot to wage war on Israel’s Jews when the next big war of multiple Arab armies attack Israel. In the meantime, they will continue their attacks on Jewish girls, and men.
@ Canadian Otter:
Who cares what the most evil organization on earth – the ISLAM/LEFT dominated, anti-human rights UN has to say? The UN are a huge threat to the security, safety and freedom of Israel’s Jews and EVERY non-Muslim on the planet. Israel’s government has a MORAL obligation to protect Israel NOT to protect invading Muslims who are going to Australia and other Western countries claiming the scam of being asylum seekers and are given free housing, free money, free everything. They then import their large families into the Western countries in order to be financially supported by hard-working non-Muslim taxpayers. Non-Muslims are FORCED to be slaves to Muslims and their very large families – heavily burdened non-Muslims are working to support Muslims. WHAT A WICKED INJUSTICE. It pleases Obama and every Muslim on the planet.
@ Laura:
I agree, it is absolute nonsense and a huge LIE that this is harming Israel’s image in the U.S. The majority of Americans are pro-Israel. Americans are not rabid Jew-haters like Obama-Clinton-George Soros.
On how about sending them to Norway?
@ Yidvocate:
BRILLIANT!
Since Israel is the greatest human right violator, we are doing them a great favor by moving them to some country with a better human rights record (such as Gaza)
@ Yidvocate:
Correct. Israel is not legally obligated to take them in. And the government knows this.
Although, to assuage the inevitable media and diplomatic attacks, Israel should at least try hard to engage UNHCR or UNRWA to help remove genuine refugees from Israel.
If there are no results, then Israel can just put Africans across the border with some money and supplies for the crossing through Sinai.
Maybe Israel could even hire Bedouin to guide them back!
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Up at the top I posted that there is a sinister plan afoot.
Actually there are several sinister plans in development right now in which the elite is availing itself of any excuse – legal or not – to proceed with the partition of Israel, the establishment of irreversible PA Facts on the Ground, with the empowering of Arabs – Israeli and PA – through preferential treatment in various areas, with allowing out-of-control expansion of illegal Arab housing in PA and Negev, and now with this flood of non-Jews into Israel.
One needs to connect the dots to see that – wittingly or not – the government is already part of this unremitting campaign to dismantle Jewish Israel.
Reading Israeli news is like watching an actual war going on, with battles going on everywhere, and with so much at stake. Most everyone is a soldier, fighting enemies entrenched deep within.
Yesha Jews need to form a Yesha Union to fight back against expulsions.
And all Israeli Jews need to organize to force the government to send Africans home.
As long as Jews are not organized, the government can do anything they want because the political parties do NOT represent Israel’s best interests.
The migrant problem is easily solved. Economic migrants can be shown the door. On this almost all agree. As for the rest and remainder, they are truly economic migrants as well because the minute they stepped into Egypt, they had refuge from their persecution. That they decided to press on for Israel, demonstrates that they are economic migrants. Alternatively, international law applies, and their entry into Egypt (on route to Israel)obliges Egypt to deal with them and therefore Israel can with impunity put them back in Egypt and be done with them.
@ Canadian Otter:
Isn’t it Pillay and the UN that says that Israel is the greatest human rights violator on the planet. So on that basis sending them home should not be a problem for Pillay, the UN or the Quartet. Their biased and disingenuous opinions could work for us for a change and expose their hypocrisy.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/157000
@ Not Ovenready:
I’d be content if only Israel got a truly courageous pro-Jewish government some day.
The UN – a club for despots and anti-Semitic governments – is a convenient excuse for the Israeli government to do nothing at all.
The Israeli government is to blame for letting this problem fester until now. They could have solved it when it was still manageable. They chose not to. Some of their friends welcomed cheap African labor.
Now that the problem is becoming a nightmare, it wants to blame the UN. But don’t let them! There are legal options.
May we be blessed to see the end of the UN in our lifetime.
What has the UN done for any of these people in the past years? They get slaughtered,attacked, dismembered, etc.
They (some of them?) have something in common here regarding the Islamic situation. If the USA is supposed to be such a help across the nations., why haven’t they had their attempt to get rid of those in Africa who want to practice what they believe in? Maybe they tried in the past, ….a little. Africa is an enormous land. Israel is not. We see their plight, but there is not any room in Israel, nor enough jobs. We ourselves want to move there sometime in the future. We obey the Torah, we LOVE G-d and it is His Land.
Maybe all those thousands entering in or whatever is going on will help fight what may be coming up in the future. With the Muslim Brotherhood want to “claim Jerusalem as their capital” …. and the surrounding nations will most likely join in with them, well, who knows? Either way, there is much room in Africa, it just needs to be rid of the evil there.
Only the most DERANGED and hateful anti-Zionists could welcome the idea of willingly surrendering their Jewish civilization and becoming a Muslim Black/Arab state.
This crisis affects Jews along most of the political spectrum, and it is such a CRITICAL ISSUE that it’s hard to understand how Israelis can get by day to day without SERIOUSLY demanding the enforcement of the law regarding economic migrants and refugees.
The government has set up a committee. How convenient.
Why don’t Israelis set up their own organization to oversee all government activities in solving this problem, and to propose better solutions?
The law should allow Israel to immediately deport economic migrants, and it could allow it to call on the UNHCR or UNRWA to set up camps IN AFRICA to accommodate the influx of refugees now in Israel, and any future ones who may cross the Sinai in that direction.
It is physically IMPOSSIBLE for Israel to accommodate millions of African refugees.
And it’s nothing less than CRIMINAL for the government to force Israel to commit ethnical suicide.
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Neither a fence, nor a jail, nor policing the border can be 100% effective in deterring this invasion.
Only strong enforcement of the law can do that.
Any other policy will bring in ten thousand for every African removed.
The government – selective as always – is hiding behind the UN to keep Eritreans and any future genuine refugees in Israel.
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There you have your authorities:
True, we have not done anything at all about the problem for years, and now it’s so sad, but we’ll just have to take them all in. As well as any other Africans suffering from persecution, famine, and any violation of human rights whatsoever…Tsk, tsk. Don’t blame me, blame the UN………. (Heh! Heh! Blaming the international community for treating settlers like trash has worked for us in the past. Heh! Heh!)
This is nonsense. What he really means is that the Obama administration doesn’t approve. What can we expect from a president who disregarded the American people and Congress by granting amnesty to illegal aliens. Naturally he would not be expected to respect the sovereignty of Israel when he doesn’t even respect the American democratic process. We are having our own troubles with illegal aliens and therefore Americans can relate to Israel’s predicament. And if such a large country as ours is experiencing chaos from the influx of illegal aliens, I can imagine what such a tiny country like Israel is going through. Therefore Israel doesn’t have to worry about its image amongst the American people. Not that Americans are even paying attention to or are even aware of this story. The Obama regime needs to mind its own business when it comes to Israel’s internal affairs. And Israel needs to stop being so self-consious, worrying about what the international community is going to think over every move it makes. These countries have no concern how they are perceived in the world. The international community should stop examining Israel under a microscope and tend to their own affairs. Many countries, even European, are envious of the Jewish state’s enormous achievements for such a tiny state with no natural resources. They just wait for opportunities to find fault with it so they don’t have to feel so inadequate.
This is a great danger. After the war of independence there were about the same number of Arabs in Israel as there are now Africans. Now 60 years later Arabs are 35% of the children in Israel.
@ Canadian Otter:
Israel must outlaw Islam as antisemitic ideology. No Muslims can be let into Israel.
Some new form of Islam can be invented without Muhammad. That’s really going to piss off the Muslims.
Israel should deport all the refugees to Gaza. Let UN deal with them.
@ Canadian Otter:
Part of plan long in place to destroy any semblance of a Jewish State.
Nobody is tasked to stop the infiltration. It fits the unJews plans.
In the other hand every effort is made to destroy whatever is JEWISH, everything.
Jonathan,
That is exactly why the government is importing them – to destroy the state.
It was decided to hand Israel over to the Arabs so that the Jews live there as dhimmis.
This explains EVERYTHING.
Israel should learn from Europe’s experience with Muslim immigrants. These people will not be integrated into Israeli society. Like Muslim immigrants to Europe, they will attempt to change Israel’s culture from the inside. It is admirable to accept them but it has the distinct possibility of destroying the state. Israel must look after the interests of Jews and other Israelis first.
This is a major crisis for Jewish Israel but since it’s been happening in slow motion, there does not seem to be any serious attempt to solve it NOW rather than sometime in the future – if at all.
The infiltration problem does not need a secretive solution, as Liebermann implies. There are already TWO international organizations set up to look after refugees: UNHCR and UNRWA.
Economic migrants can be deported immediately.
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While some politicians may be genuinely clueless – there is the increasing suspicion that there is a sinister plan behind the scenes promoting the infiltration in the first place, and placing obstacles in the path of any effective solution.
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We know that nothing happens in Israel away from the watchful eye of the USA/EU/UN and the “international community” at large. And we know that all of them are permanently agitating in their respective ways for Israeli policies that will weaken and destroy the country from within.
And we also know that anti-Zionist and inept leaders use international criticism of Israel to justify the implementation of leftist policies in Israel.
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Israelis must stop falling for shows such as the recent departure of a few dozen Africans, or promises that a fence will stop infiltrators. Those deceptions are designed to create an illusion of problem-solving activity by the government – while in fact it is just watching the problem get bigger.
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The plan of incarcerating instead of deporting infiltrators reveals the elite’s true intention of KEEPING THE AFRICANS IN ISRAEL.
We are already quite familiar with the release of thousands of terrorists from Israeli jails. And those are killers!
There will be a time when these “poor Africans” will start to be released from jail – a few hundred at the time – and given “temporary residency” cards and jobs.
Leftists will make sure that they receive work training and education while in jail, preparing them to enter the work force in Israel!
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Demand that the government avail itself of UNHCR or UNRWA. The government can make a big enough donation for the creation of refugee camps in Africa. All those who don’t qualify as “refugees” must be deported.
The government will do NOTHING AT ALL unless Israelis keep up the pressure and refuse to fall for those side shows where a few dozen leave the country while thousands come in through another door.
Another thing: All those organizations promoting Aliyah – get them involved. It’s getting kind of ridiculous now to spend time, money and energy bringing in a couple of Jews while the country is being flooded by African Muslims.
And another thing: When the government says that Eritreans are not deportable – ask them, what’s their excuse for not deporting 200,000 or so PA infiltrators in the country.
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