T. Belman. No praise for Zionism can overcome the fact that Zionism is swimming upstream. When Europe is trashing their culture and opening their doors to embrace millions of Muslims how can anyone make the case for Zionism which goes against the grain. American Jews also reject Zionism and prefers their progressive values. Herzog and others in Israel are now arguing that Israel should take in Syrian refugees. The left reject the exclusivity of Zionism and prefers to be progressive and universal. Zionism looks selfish. This is a huge problem for Zionists.
Among “elite” circles Zionism is a dirty word these days. When American Jewish reggae star Matisyahu was barred from performing at a Spanish music festival, it was on grounds that he was a “Zionist.” It was only after the Spanish government condemned this blatant case of discrimination that the festival reinvited the singer.
Blackballing Zionism, though, is not only a European phenomenon. Republican pollster Frank Luntz has been warning Israel that it is rapidly losing support among Democratic “opinion elites.” Almost half of them, he says, consider Israel a racist country. And as The Times of Israel reports:
Still more drastically, Luntz said the word “Zionism” could play no part in messaging designed to repair relations with US Democrats. There has to be an “end to the [use of the] word Zionism,” he said. “You can’t make the case if you use that word. If you are at Berkeley or Brown and start outlining a Zionist vision, you don’t get to make a case for Israel because they’ve already switched off.”
So, Zionism is that bad?
The term Zionism, of course, comes from the word Zion—which refers to a mountain in Jerusalem and also to the Land of Israel in general. The first words God ever says to Abraham—the first person identifiable as a Jew, then living in what is now Iraq—are: “Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee….” (Genesis 12:1).
The land—then called Canaan—is, of course, Zion, the Land of Israel. The attachment to Zion is not just “in” the Jewish DNA; it virtually is the Jewish DNA.
Zionism as a political movement began, however, in the 19th century. It was basically an intuition, which kept cropping up among deep-thinking Jews in various parts of Europe, that: European antisemitism remained virulent and incurable; Jews in Europe were in danger; and the only real solution was to return to Zion and establish a Jewish homeland there.
The idea was considered revolutionary, extravagant, even insane. And yet, for the Jews who were gripped by it, it was a powerful force. And in the early 1880s they started coming to Zion, to Ottoman-ruled Palestine, largely from Russia, Romania, and Galicia along with smaller numbers from Yemen. They settled in cities like Jerusalem and Jaffa, but more importantly—and more Zionistically—they founded colonies out in the desolate, barren land and turned them into flourishing farms.
It wasn’t for the fainthearted; malaria, harsh work conditions, and corrupt Ottoman overseers took their toll. But by 1914, just before World War I, there were about 90,000 Jews in Zion who formed a distinct community. This community suffered privation and Ottoman persecution during the war; but by the time it ended in 1918, Great Britain had wrested Palestine from the Turks and, led by a pro-Zionist prime minister and foreign secretary, pronounced itself in favor of a Jewish national home.
No, almost forty years earlier when the Zionists started coming, the land had not been empty; a preexisting Jewish population had been there, and an Arab population. When the Palestinian Arabs realized how serious the British (seemingly) and the Jews were about the Jewish national home, a violent conflict erupted that continues to this day.
Over the next two decades the Jewish population in Zion grew dramatically—and especially after the Nazis gained power and large numbers of German and Austrian Jews started arriving. What was taking shape was the phenomenon now known as the state of Israel—a Hebrew-speaking society with a vibrant Hebrew culture, universities, military forces, and so on. By 1939, at the brink of World War II, the Jewish community in Zion numbered about 400,000. Just at that point, with millions of Jews in Europe desperately needing to flee to it, the British authorities almost totally banned further Jewish immigration.
In November 1947 the United Nations voted to partition Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Jewish side accepted the offer; the Palestinian and Arab side turned it down flat. The state of Israel was declared on May 14, 1948; immediately finding itself at war with invading Arab armies seeking to destroy it, it prevailed in the war.
Zionism, then, was a movement to create a Jewish homeland (as it turned out, a state) in Zion that succeeded. If so, what does Zionism mean today?
You edited the quote, but only because you have less integrity than Gestapo stormtroopers (most of whom you undoubtedly dated). Here is the unedited quote:
babushka Said:
babushka Said:
True dat , Comrade.
@ Felix Quigley:
Don’t let them get you down, Comrade. The champions of the proletariat must always endure the slings and arrows of the running dogs of the imperialists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atO6GT8oMn8
@ mar55:
Don’t waste you time mar55. Some people can’t learn.
@ Felix Quigley:
Why don’t you write in a forum for mentally retarded Trotsky’s followers.
Most people do not bother reading what you write. I read your posting today because Ted had to write about your insistence in promoting nonsense. People plagiarizing your writings? Don’t make me laugh. You are a propaganda machine for a bankrupt ideology. Promoting Trotsky, a thug and criminal murderer who ended up in a Mexican jail with a very bad headache. Nothing new or original. As subtle as a fart in the night.
Israelis are innovators, creative and happy people.
Stop using valuable space and leave us alone.
Who knows, with the ISIS in power you might end up with a cleaver on your head.
Of course. I am preparing not just one article but a whole series which I am making available via email. Get onto it Israpundit! Don’t miss it!
This is the thing. We Trotskyists will not need anybody to bat for us. All we want is a fair wicket. For example I see some of the things I write being taken up (plagiarism) by certain people and reissued in sometimes distorted form, it just takes a Little change you know to destroy the sense of something. And I am sick of it. Sick of these plagiarist sneaks (note I did not say snakes because I have a huge affinity with animals)
On the issue of national and international. No doubt Marx was wrong and one sided. So was Lenin and Trotsky, but Trotsky began to emphasise this very thing, but late and he was wiped out.
It must be clear to all that the problems in the world are WORLD problems. This must be addressed by mankind.
But as you see in the EU the way to dictatorship is through distorting the nation, and eventually to submerge the nation beneath a part world dictatorship.
I told you before when you discuss the history of your mum and dad you are discussing the actual history of the Russian Revolution and the way that developed or was cut down by Stalinism, and what was Stalinism anyways, nobody really has a clue on those issues.
I have a feeling that Jews will eventually have a great input to understanding that historical period, at least I hope so, but the way to do it is to go into the history empirically, a little like Robert Wistrich was always doing, using the method of empirical research, the way the good old English scientists of the English Revolution like Raleigh and Bacon were wont to do, AND THEN LET THE CONCLUSIONS EMERGE OUT OF THE EMPIRICALLY UNCOVERED FACTS. It was that method that ran through the English, then American and French Revolutions, also the method and results of that method which Led Oliver Cromwell to chop off the head of the King in then once great England, but the English had their revenge, hauled his body from the grave and dismembered (I think if my memory is correct) it and hung it on the walls of London. That was the beginning of the end for England now Islamised and a a sorry mad place. As you know.
@ Felix Quigley:
Do you have an article that tells us who Trotsky was and what he did for Jews. I will consider posting it. I ignore your pleas regarding Trotsky because I am not a socialist or communist and don’t wish to make the case for them. But I would be interested in what Trotsky had to say about Jewish survival and Zionism.
I would remind you if you ever knew, My fathers family when in Poland joined the communist party and retained their affiliation and loyalty to it when they emigrated to Canada in the late twenties. In the late forties I attended a communist camp which predominated with Jews and so became part of that cultural existence. I was immersed in it but never worshipped it. I started out as a liberal and gradually became more conservative. Above all I want to conserve the Jewish people and their state. I want to conserve freedom rather than sacrifice it to liberal fascism. I am against world government. Just as I support state rights to protect Americans from an over controlling federal government, I believe strongly in the sovereignty of nations and fight any attempts to limited that sovereignty by fostering the UN or the EU.
we have the word of those who immediately joined a lynch mob against Jews rather than behave as any normal leaders behave in such an event with no evidence at Hand. Their behavior demonstrates low character and little credibility. The same type of behavior which would have no qualms in getting antonymous quotations from the IDF to support their lynch mob allegations and cover up their incompetence and negligence in not immediately questioning the Duma arabs or getting the Duma security cams before they were wiped clean.
Why would there be a need for to call a crime of arson and murder classified other than to cover up for the fact that they have no evidence for their ludicrous lynch mob charges and need time to fabricate some planted evidence for a frame up of Jews in order to maintain their lie. If they are caught lying or negligent they would need to resign and we know that such opportunists never resign or admit to error. There is no reason for making it secret if the perps are Jewish as they have already caused the deaths, burnings and beatings of Jews with their falsehoods.
The fact that they are leaking fake anonymous announcements and still have no evidence means that we should expect them to manufacture and plant the evidence on a Jew…. It will be professional as the same security agencies who “know” it was a Jew will be manufacturing and planting the evidence. they must be frantic to make the plant if they are coming up with such pathetic announcements which only prove the still have no evidence for incarcerating Jews. Jews in Jail to preserve their fake image.
so which cabinet ministers and others have fist hand access to the “evidence”? Yaalon, BB, Rivlin? there was a time that if leaders suspected it was a jew they would keep quiet until they had firm evidence so as not to provoke riots and burned Jews….. this set of incompetents just jumped at the chance to accuse Jews without evidence. I suspect they have sinister motives.
@ Ted Belman:
Ted, yamit82 comment #32 was botted again. Please restore it that we can continue reading the discussion.
@ Ted Belman:
Why don’t they ask their fellow Arabs who have more than enough land and money to take their fellow Arabs and protect them from the terrorist in their society?
Rivlin and Yaalon are resposible for these revenge crimes agianst Jews which were incited by their false accusations that Jews were to blame for the obviously arab arson in Duma.
How can they catch the real killiers if they keep pretending and falsely accusing Jews while negligently ignoring and covering up the evidence to the contrary in Duma?
No one has been arrested because in the leftist inspire lynch mob bandwagon libels confusion all the security cams in Duma were wiped clean demonstrating village arab involvement in the crime….. Obviously Gal ON is aware of this and yet still continues to spread the libel that Jews did the crime and therefore she is also responsible for every global attack on Jews resulting from her false accusations. when will these folk pay for their crimes of incitement to murder? Gal on and the left know the truth but continue to spread the lies.
Now they are all in the same bed trying to cover up the truth of the terrible damage they all caused with their rush to judgement and their ensuing cover up after discovering the truth that the security cameras were wiped clean by Duma arabs. therefore, Jews will be burned and die to preserve their cover up.
nfarbstein Said:
what above quote?
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yamit82 Said:
I agree, and in Israel they should be rounded up as in Israel it is treason and sabotage, both serious crimes agianst the state. Israelis who advocate boycott and tough love are aiding and abetting the enemy in time of war….. this is exactly the purpose of administrative detention as opposed to chasing false phantoms of jewish settlers. There is much greater danger to Jews in Israel and the diaspora PLUS to the state of Israel from the lies and sabotage of leftist Israelis than any other group. And let us not leave out the traitors of NK and true teitelbaums simply because they can read and cite Torah as well as any catholic bishop or Dweller ( 🙂 )
yamit82 Said:
Aren’t Israeli Jews doing this?
Frankly, I cant imagine an american president, even Hussein O, being as dangerous as Rivlin and Yaalon when they falsely accused Jews of burning an arab baby in Huma when the logical evidence pointed to an arab crime. All leaders advise calm and waiting for the evidence, and not to jump to conclusions. when the president and DM of a nation falsely accuse Jews of heinous crime one would normally consider them to be on a par with Hitler. When it is the president and DM of the Jewish state committing this crime of libel, the mind boggles. In my view, Rivlin and Yaalon are responsible for every arab revenge burning that was incited by their anti semitic libels and should be brought to trial in the same way we would expect a budding hitler making the same dangerous accusations. What about all the Jews in the diaspora who suffered attacks because rivlin and Yaalon told despicable anti semitic lies while in a position of power and influence? Why are pogrom inciting accusations by Hitler and Isabella any different? When libels are told by Jews they are even MORE dangerous as a Jew cannot counter the testimony of other Jews to the Lie. The same is true when the libelous and dangerous “true torah” ultra orthodox dance Jewish jigs with Persian and muslim Jew killers agreeing that the zionists are evil and adding that zionists are not Jews. When the Jewish cartoon character and diaspora stereotype dances jigs and hands the Jews to the jew killers then why should we not expect the goyim to beleive the lies? Those who tell lies about Israel and the Jews are murdering Jewish children today just as when done in medieval times.
Charity begins at home and for some the best charity for the tribe would be indefinite administrative detention for saboteurs.
yamit82 Said:
At first, I thought you were describing Israeli leftist Jews when reading the description in bold. 🙂
No of course Israel must not accept refugees from Syria or any other Arab country, who are Muslims, because Israel has quite enough Muslims in its midst. The idea is laughable and Israelis should actually laugh in public at the idea.
There is a leadership abroad, hard to say how strong it is in numerical terms, but they will attack Israel (Zionism) on any basis. No matter what Israel will do in the world Israel will be attacked.
Chomsky is an example, David Icke another, and it runs right through left wing movements, and has its roots in the Stalinisation of the former Bolshevik Party, and the arising in the world of a reactionary current inside of the communist movement. Remember that the social democracy had already become totally corrupted.
The existence of this in the world is a very serious matter. It is not though the source of Antisemitism. But it reflects it and refuses to fight it when if a true socialist movement it should fight Antisemitism above all.
There is a history to this which can be understood which is why I threw down a challenge to CA to discuss the position of Leon Trotsky and what happened subsequent to his murder in 1940 but he was not interested. Perhaps he has the cold!!!
Ted is a man who dismisses the left in total and is not interested at all in the history of the left or how it has become that way today. Yamit is a total hater of communism and he glories in that these people (like Chomsky) do this. He just loves it. If there was a real communist party fighting for the Jews and against Antisemitism Yamit would totally hate it.
I have shown many times and many places how Leon Trotsky was the biggest defender of the Jews in the 1930s but this information has been resented and opposed by all Jews that I have met. Is THAT not worth discussing at any level?
I cannot expect Ted Belman to give a fair crack of the whip to Trotskyists like me. He is opposed to Trosky and to Trotskyism. Ted is first and foremost a capitalist Jew and no other kind of Jew, say a revolutionary Bolshevik like Trotsky, will be given the tiniest chink of light or light of day.
I think this is wrong but it is fact.
Francisco Gil White is a big favourite of Ted but Gil White has given a total disinegenuous account of what really happened to allow Hitler to take power in 1933. Why??? Gil White wanted to scrub Trotsky out of HIS history.
This is wrong.
This is a good discussion (and article) but it cannot reach anywhere, probably because there are too many angles and too many forces witht heir own agenda, and when it comes down to it they want a discussion on their terms, so there are certain areas that are taboo.
I am still absolutely shattered as to why a learned person like Gil White would give HIS slant to the greatest issue of all on how Hitler took power.
There is a reflection here in this in CA not replying to my points above.
We live in different worlds. I live int he world where everything is up for discussion.
For all you atheists, there it is: conclusive proof that God exists and answers prayers.
Comment botted!!!
After five thousand years of Jewish history, there remain but 15 million Jews. I want to beleive that most have learned the lessons of the pogroms, the Holocaust and, most recently, Arab/Islamic terrorism. I want to beleivethey are the vast silent majority but I have my doubts.
Sadly, there are too many Jews who have not learned a damn thing. They are the socialists, communists, anarchists and so-called “human rights” junkies and “peace and justice” activists. The well-being of Israel is the very least of their concerns. What they lack in number they more than make up in noise level.
Yes, a few of these Self-Hating and/or Israel-Threatening Jews may be well-intentioned but grossly misinformed… call it brainwashed by wave after wave of anti-Israel propaganda. But most of them know the Truth but hate their heritage to such a degree that nothing else matters to them except bashing Israel right out of existence.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of American Jews… utterly secular, thoroughly liberal, abysmally ignorant of their heritage… are beyond redemption. Not only are large numbers of them unaware or apathetic about the inroads made by “Palestinian” propaganda, many are actually in agreement, at least to some degree, with [those scurrilous] ‘Palestinian’ claims.”
If anyone still wonders how the Holocaust against European Jewry could have ever happened, all he has to do is observe the behavior of today’s “Judenrat” traitors. They run forth to an anti-Semitic world trying to prove that THEY are the good Jews — not those arrogant Israelis! The Truth, however, is that these radical, leftist, academic, socialist, “progressive,” enlightened know-nothings are not even worthy of the name “Jew.”
Strength is the only thing the world respects, or fears, or call it what you will. Intimidated might be the word, and I love it.
Fear the Jews.
There is nothing Jewish about Jewish Voice For Peace. That ragtag group should be renamed Self-Hating Pseudo Hebrews Who Fervently Wish That Hitler Had Finished The Job.
Ted Belman Said:
again it begins with the GOI… why do they continue to allow the euros to build illegally in the state of Israel? Notice that the gov knew about it but allowed it, perhaps the GOI wanted it or had made a deal. The answer to this question would likely be revealing. the euros are building in C illegally while threatening to damge Israel if it does not capitulate. Have you heard a single word from BB on this??? what does his silence tell you as a voting citizen in Israel?
Note his areas of silence: anti seitism and abuse of Jews in Israel and new Jewish settlements in the jewish homeland of YS; illegal euro building in C; euro libels that Jewish settlement is illegal in YS; US libels that Jewish settlement is illegitimate in YS; The breach of international agreements by the US and Eu which were to “encourage and facilitate” jewish settlement in ALL the mandate territory.
How can a right wing PM be silent on these issues?
We only heard a positive word on settlers after the incompetent Rivlin walked back his lynch mob bandwagon on settlers…. but they all still incarcerate Jews without evidence while allowing euros to build muslim homes in C. Yaalon, Rivlin and BB…. I accuse!
Ted Belman Said:
LOL the arabs are not idiots…. a wealthy egyptian billionaire wants to buy an island in greece for the refugees… DUH….did anyone think to ask why he does not buy the land in egypt??????????????? A con artist will repeat the con until the sucker catches on…. better the euros than the Jews are the suckers.
Ted Belman Said:
It is not zionism, it is jews who will be called and who must be defended. if we apologize for zionism then we are apologizing for being Jews, which is what the Jew killers want. Until we recognize that Darth Vader and his evil empire reside in europe we will continue to aim at the wrong targets. we pretend that they have a point, and they rely on our predictable compliance,as they did when they gave us the soap for the showers. the enemy in europe must be destroyed in order for the Jews to live. They threw off their religion and still stalked the Jews, they threw off their anti semitism and still stalked the Jews… at this moment they scheme to hurt the Jews with settlement labels, at this moment they are scheming with the pals to build muslim homes in the Jewish homeland, at this moment even while their christian brothers heads are chopped their BDS churches are stalking the Jews and funding the muslim jew killer orgs. DUH??????????
What does it take to see the obvious, I can only keep wondering and watching Jews avoiding the truth and the facts which daily present themselves…. continually rationalizing the sick perverted, chronic, evil, serial, despicable and disgusting pathological european disease. Fool Jews answer to every accusation from the euro jew stalkers rather than trying to send them as many muslims as possible to counter their sick pathology. The problem is not syrian refugees to Israel but how to send more of them to europe.
Ted Belman Said:
You should be as it is an intentional strategy to bring anti semitism back into fashion and to divide and separate Jews. when I read a lie written by an anti zionist I have no lack of clarity for wanting them dead. I see their lies inciting the murder of Jewish children, I see their lies dripping with Jewish blood…. they have just not been completely succesful yet in their agenda…. how long did it take hitler to achieve success? Jews need to cease obfuscating the danger because they are afraid of their masters and afraid to once agian see the obvious truth that…….. they’re back!
Why do you think they are in YS helping Jew killers with such contempt for the Jews that they do it in front of our long jewish noses to rub it in our faces and prove they are our masters.
Be afraid, but not delusional
Ted Belman Said:
other than they might kill us, swindle us, libel us, hire muslims to murder us, steal our land and give it to muslims and tha we are in a Stockholm Syndrome…. why should we give any credibility to what these serial lunatics think? They have come up with 2000 years of reasons to think we are bad so why do we repeat their BS to each other…. even here…. still.
Criminals and lunatics belong in Jail or asylums and should not be roaming the earth endangering others. The next best thing is that the criminals and lunatics kill each other.
Ted Belman Said:
not all the criticism is anti semitic but likely the motivation for is. Why bother to say “not all”? why look for the small percentage of fact in the massive haystack of intentional anti semitic lies. This is an example of what I mean by Stockholm syndrome….. there is a remaining odor of trying to justify, find a shred of justification in a most despicable and mostly intentional evil….There is no way to explain away WHY someone tells a lie about Israel and Jews. If they lie 90% nof the time why would I seek to find a moment of truth in their mountain of lies?????
Ted Belman Said:
It is not because of zionism but because of the unrelenting anti semitism of the muslims as proven daily in real time. Only a lunatic invites his wannabe murderer into his home. And yes, practically speaking, its is mainly the muslims.
the other factor is that Jews are being swindled out of their homeland and do not have enough land for the jews being stalked by the euros and muslims to make aliya. This is not zionism, this is simple fact of need and safety. the fact that jews beleive that they should answer these arguments and that Herzog advocates inviting in the muslim jew killers simply demonstrates serial Jewish Stockholm Syndrome. the Jew is afraid of his master, he apes his master, he speaks his masters words, he forgets himself because his life depends on his master. It is time that Jews stopped spending time and energy on the masters squeaking wheel and instead on himself.
bernard ross Said:
the converso of spain, the assimilated german Jew, the current liberal leftist diaspora Jew are similar. Those who take up the banner of anti zionism are similar to kapo Jews and victims of Stockholm Syndrome. Basically they are responding to pressure on Jews to separate themselves from other Jews similar in nature to the pressure exhibited on forced conversions of marranos. the tactic is the same as Isabellas… convert, divide and conquer. The new modern marrano is allowed to keep certain trappings of his prior life as long as he divides from other Jews. Matisyahu was asked to declare that he is not like those other Jews who are zionists and to embrace those who are enemies of “zionists”. This is a tactic, not a coincidence. the wealthy and powerful conversos, are targeted to separate them from the others to get rid of the mass base of support and then later the axe falls on them too. si,mple divide and conquer.
The black hatters who dance jewish jigs with Persian and muslim jew killers also declare that “we are not those zionists, those zionists are not even real jews like us, Dont kill us, kill them”. This is simply another bizarre path of the kapo stockholm syndrome diaspora Jew willing to sacrifice other Jews to save himself. He cannot pretend that he is not a Jew with his diaspora “jewish” uniform so he says they are the real jews who are not causing trouble … its them not me, they did it, the zionists, the non jews…… kill them not me. Like the kapo jew they try to survive in the bowels of the enemy and will give up their “brothers” to save themselves.
Whether a Jew or a non jew…. anti zionism is the intellectual canard of those who intentionally seek to libel Jews either to save themselves or to incite violence against the Jews. Anti zionism is synonymous with libel, it is a red herring designed to be a fig leaf to make anti semitism fashionable. when we see them tell a lie, spread a libel we must recognize and know that they are Hitler and like Hitler should be destroyed.
Note: anti zionism is not to be confused with non zionism
bernard ross Said:
This is also why BDS is important as the first prime symptom which heralds the oncoming disaster and this is why anti zionism must also be recognized as the initial CURRENT vehicle of fashion to carry the libels which initiate and incite pogrom.
The anti zionist BDS pretends to be intellectual and in a disagreement, but in fact they intentionally spread lies about Israel and Jews. In the past these libels always preceded and incited pogroms as the next phase. We see this already occuring in europe where there is a defacto acceptance of physical attacks on Jews, zionists, Israelis. Therefore, we should see the BDS collective as no different than the early Hitler inciting against Jews using lies as the media of incitement. You cannot argue with that agenda, it is futile. It is a 2000 year predictable pattern and the “reasons” given are irrelevant. The fact that we discuss the reasoning and dishonest justifications for this dangerous pattern here, rather than recognize the obvious and INTENTIONAL danger, shows that we as Jews are in denial as we were only a few decades ago.
(continuing with the anti zionist Jew)
yamit82 Said:
the Torqemada inquision authourized by Septus IV was precipitated by the marriage of Ferdinand and Isabella in 1478 whereas the expulsion of the Jews did not occur until 1491 which was precipitated by the fall of the last muslim bastion of Granada in “spain” to the catholics.
the point is that the inquisition began with conversion and the agenda to divide and separate Jews and ended with all being under the gun. anti zionism has the same agenda, it seeks to “convert” Jews away from their roots and connections to a secular ideology, and to dvide and separate Jews…
yamit82 Said:
we can argue about “what was behind” the pogroms, anti semitism, etc as we seek to rationalize the acts with explanations. simple greed may be behind that particular act in that all the money owed Jews was wiped out, including debts to Monarchs, and their properties were sold in forced sale at low prices, greed and theft. However, the seeking of rationalizations for the acts is speculative whereas the repeated, serial, chronic commission of the acts of anti semitism and pogrom, over a 2000 year period, is undisputed FACT! what is also fact is that the main perpetrator of the acts has been the euro christian collective. More importantly we see now, the continuation of the same pattern of libel,followed by pogrom, followed by expulsion or Holocaust continuing by the euro christian collective against the “zionists” and “Israelis” which enables the perps to rationalize their continuing 2000 year chronic and serial pathology. Even the now secular euros, who pretend to have repudiated anti semitism, have embraced the fig leaf and the continuing pathology in such a manner that they are indistinguishable from their BDS christian counterparts in terms of their behavior to the “Jews”. it is the one area over which euro seculars and euro christians can unite.
It matters not what ideology, reasons, etc are given for the serial and continuing pathology but that they continue unabated along the same patterns. The same patterns were used by the nazis as the Spanish. Libel, pogrom, swindling,torture, stealing assets, properties, gold teeth, etc. Most important is that Jews recognize the pattern as a symptom and harbinger of a dangerous event, plague, disease,etc.
(to be continued next post)
Prager speaks from personal experience. He campaigned for Mitch McConnell, who has rammed Obama’s leftist agenda through the Senate more effectively than Harry Reid ever did.
NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!
The Euros have always hated Jews. The pretenses change, but the hatred endures. Israel could accept every refugee and the French would still yearn to see Jewish corpses piled to the moon.
Let me restate the point I am making. Europe at the moment is opening up their borders to Muslim refugees. They argue they have a humanitarian obligation to do so. Israel, on the other hand, because of Zionism, refuses to do so. (and should continue to do so). As a result Europe thinks Zionism is bad, racist and exclusive. Liberal Jews agree. Neither gives Israel the right to choose for itself. At the same time they don’t criticize wealth Arab states for not taking their fair share. Not really. But they enjoy bashing Zionism. Most criticism of Israel is antisemitic but not all. The same might be said of criticism of Zionism. Not for a moment do I suggest we allow into Israel more “refugees”. We are currently allowing in over 10,000 Jewish “refugees from France, Ukraine and the Russia yearly. I am concerned about the “War on Zionism”. As Zionism locks its doors so to speak, Israel, and therefore Zionism will be criticized for being heartless. Zionists will be called upon to defend Zionism. We can do this with an offense or a defense. But we should not lessen our embrace of Zionism. We should not apologize nor capitulate.
Zionism is the return of Jews to its homeland. Mt. Zion being in Jerusalem. The three pillars of Judaism are love fellow Jews (Am Yisrael), Torah (belief in G-D) and love of the Land (Israel).
So those who deny Israel its right to its own state (Zionism) are anti-Semitic. They deny to the Jews what they say other people have a right to, a country of their own.
@ yamit82:
I agree.
@ bernard ross:
The inquisition was targeting conversos not Jews. The Jews had already been expelled. What was behind the inquisition besides Jew hatred (once a Jew always a Jew) was economics and jealousy. . Jews were exiled from Spain largely in response to the exploding influence of the Marranos, the converted Jews. As Christian converts, they encountered no restrictions and almost took over Spanish society.
If I can tell you about my own relatives from Ireland who left to set up shop in the US of A well I have never delved into their politics, or if they have strong views, but I do know that every single one has a strong interest in their background in Ireland and even though some left as far back as 1845 they are very interested in where they come from.
Am I right here…this is a problema, Jews came from places which was not their Homeland, an obvious difference to my Irish experience.
This is actually a good argument in favor of Zionism.
I’m proud to be a “racist” because I’m very choosy about the company I keep. I would consider changing this approach (not really) as soon as the so-called elites begin moving to Ferguson to be with their black brothers. I know that’s the last thing they would consider because like me, they prefer to choose the company they keep. And the people living in the black ghettos are not it.
But since they talk otherwise simply to impress others, particularly their peers, with their superb sense of morality, they are merely dirty little hypocrites – small-minded and nasty – and as such are probably far more truly racist than any of the plebes they criticize.
To CA
Trotsky was in support of Zionism in the years before he was murdered, that is if being in support of Jews getting out of Europe and setting up their Jewish state in Palestine, hopefully making it a defended place of refuge at least.
That is NOT the position of the “left” today, the left in general that is.
Well of course this matters. It is a serious question. In your opinión what happened?
And if you or anybody else cannot give an answer to that then it is also a serious question.
The Jewish people have defined themselves as a people who shall dwell alone.
Numbers 23:9 … the people shall dwell alone,
However, many Leftist Jews in the USA have held to opposite opinions. The NAACP was founded by Jews, for example. They pushed for desegregation, mixing.
So in the USA, anti-racism was defined as mixing; and often – NOT ALWAYS – it was liberal Jews who defended this new view.
This liberal viewpoint – which is technically not Jewish, but political – has been conflated in the public mind with anti-racism.
So now Israel is being judged by standards which ironically were/are held to by leftist American Jews.
As Dennis Praeger said: American Jewry has replaced religion with liberalism.
Hence Israel looks hypocritical because its views are not defined by liberal Western Jewry, who are more Western than Jewish. Yet, Western Gentiles misjudge Judaism by the Western Jews they know.
It’s not. Just say NO emphatically!!!! Who are these “progressives” that we (the world) should give them the time of day?
Roll on populism in all its forms!!
Well, let us put that one in the old Parallel Premise Machine™ and see how it reads:
I don’t think that being anti-Italy is necessarily anti-Italian.
I don’t think that being anti-Japan is necessarily anti-Japanese.
I don’t think that being anti-Switzerland is necessarily anti-Swiss.
Ted, you are a gorgeous man with a great website but on this one your logic eludes me, delicate flower that I am.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXMap-Vyo2w
referring to someone as a dirty zionist is the same as calling them a dirty jew….. and any “non zionist jew” who thinks otherwise is self delusional and will be one of the first to go… as the anti zionist leftist Israeli academics have been finding out.
Ted Belman Said:
a “higher value”…. HMMMM sounds just like the “higher value” of the supersessionist churches.
Ted Belman Said:
In other words the Jews dont come under the heading of “diversity” of maintaining a separate identity and enriching the others through that diversity. You know, the guiding principle of the europeans which they apply to all their immigrant populations for decades…… does not apply to the Jews????? Sounds like the usual double standard which tends to indicate anti semitism to me.
If one does not wish to be a zionist or is not pro zionism that is different. BUT, an anti zionist seeks to get zionist Jews to repudiate their zionism and convert to their relgion which is either secularism, christianity or islam…… to say the muslims have a right to their many nations but the Jews does not have a right to his only one which is clearly pronounced in the bible they hijacked from the Jews and which forms the very cornerstone of their cultures…… to state this is by its nature to be anti semitic. Do not equate the non zionism of assimilated Jews with the Anti zionism of the left, the delegitimizers, the BDS churches, the EU, and the diaspora black hatter 18th century polish idolators, all of whom have been seen to be dancing with, cavorting with, supporting Jew killers. they are all shades of anti semites.
Zionism is Jewish national independence.
In a word, Jews claim nothing more and nothing less than the same aspiration of nationhood claimed by every other people under the sun.
Its controversial only because Jews themselves have always been controversial.
Ted Belman Said:
I strongly disagree: there is a difference between NOT being pro zionist and being ANTI zionist. Not being pro zionist means choosing for yourself and not supporting others who may be pro zionist BUT being anti zionist means you seek to prevent others from their zionism and seek to damage them if they are zionists. Anti zionists go beyond a belief, they resort to lies, they resort to damaging zionists, they resort to the forced conversion of zionists. In this way they are the same as the Inquistiors of rome who dought to get the Jews to repudiate their judaism and everything connected to it. there is little difference between an anti zionist and an anti semite. The anti zionist spreads lies about zionists just like lies were spread aobut Jews, the anti zionist allies with enemies and killers of zionists just like in the past with Jews, the anti zionist denies the judaism of zionists just lke the supersessionist church, the anti zionist seeks the conversion of zionists just like the church with Jews, and the repudiation of zionism just like the church required the repudiation of Judaism. Hence the term fig leaf
I don’t think that being anti-zionist is necessarily antisemitic. Europeans are sacrificing their identity for a higher value and they think that Jews should also. The idea of remaining separate from the mainstream and following our unique path is unacceptable for them. It is retrograde.
Yet at the same time allow Muslims to be separate and to maintain their ways. So why don’t they accord the same right to us? That’s a double standard so maybe they are antisemitic.
In other words, the Jew is advised to deny his being in order to appease those who deny his being? those who chose to deny the Zionism of judaism are merely anti semites. Only a fool seeks to engage anti semites rather than devising methods to weaken or kill them. whining and cajoling the other will not change the facts of their choices. for example, rather than try to convince euros to side with Jews against the honor killers it is best to seek to facilitate a loss of power, weakness, disorder, etc in the european homelands. they might change their minds but that will not be because of whining jews but because they will see that the honor killers want their heads and maybe the Jews were right. In any case it is good strategy to see your enemy in trouble…. once you recognize who your enemy is. there should be no lack of clarity that the EU is the enemy of Israel and the Jewish people and that in spite of their false indications otherwise their driving mission is the destruction of the Jewish people and Israel, not all of them, but their leadership at this time and for the last 2000 years. Every day they roam YS to swindle the Jews and aid the enemy, funding Jew killers, libeling Jews as being illegally in the Jewish homeland. How are they any different from the muslims who deny the Jews connection to Israel?
I thought Zionism was a return to the homeland, not a creation of a state….. therefore it means the same today… a return to the homeland, the settling of YS….. which is why it is ludicrous for the deceitful, crooked, swindling “zionist union” to refer to themselves as “zionist” as they seek to give YS to the arabs and prevent Jews from settling there.
that is an accptance of a lie….. it was because he was a Jew who did not bow down and convert to the global inquisition to repudiate the historical, religious and tribal ties to Eretz Yisroel. Like the inquisition if you convert you are ok, for a short while. give up your beliefs, your history, your connections, your tribe and then we will pretend that you are one of us, for a short while.
Western anti zionism is simply another way to force Jewish conversion to a secular ideology, to destroy Jews by separating them from Israel. It is the inquisition with a fig leaf… carried on by the same old usual suspects. Jew, repudiate your tribe, repudiate the land you prayed for thousands of years… assimilate… Betray your family , betray your tribe, betray your people, and then we might let you in.
Many Jews converted in the inquisition to save their families.. I dont blame them… I blame the disgusting and filthy bastards who repeatedly seek to stalk, harass, the Jews for thousands of years….. their wolves den is in europe.
The jews find rationalizations for their betrayals: the leftists, the idolatrous worshippers of 18th century polish fashions.. from all ends of the spectrum they rationalize their betrayals with the deceitful words of men.