Israel is never allowed to finish its enemies as the poor relation to its big brother USA. Biden it appears has dictated to Bibi to stop the fighting. IDF has pulled most ground troops out Khan Yunis and immediately a couple of rockets were fired at Israel.
I do not think the USA will allow Israel to finish Hamas in Rafah. This means Hamas will survive the war. Badly damaged with about 80% of its terrorist/fighters killed or severely wounded.
Hostages still held by Hamas. If we are not putting military pressure on them then we have no leverage to get the hostages.
Will Israel keep building the buffer zone of one km from the North to the South of Gaza or will the IDF completely have to pull out of Gaza.
This is a disaster. Who will want to return to their former homes near Gaza (if they are standing or need to be rebuilt) if Hamas is not totally finished.
In everything to do with the attacks on Israel Hazony is so accurate. Imagine then my surprise on Ukraine he is lost…no evidence of anything you could label research.
Sebastien
Comment then on Hazony recommended Times of Israel to Bannon
Thanks
1
Peloni
You leave out I think unintentional that there are a few big factors
1. Role of Stalinism
2. Corruption in the left due to 1
3. Role of the bourgeoisie in deliberately corrupting the left
The end result is a vacuum of leadership in the left
Bear
I would have you arrested for calling them “far left”
E g
AOC is not anything but establishment and Omar is very right wing Islamist
Lapid is now in USA meeting with Blinken, Schumer and the other Democrats who want to oust Bibi from power and get someone in the PM Seat who say yes sir when Biden & Company sasy jump.
Trump better win the election as Biden and Company have gone full anti Israel since Biden’s poll numbers are done and the far left Israel haters are threatening to abandon Biden in the Nov. 5 2024 election.
US envoy: Idea Biden trying to topple Netanyahu a ‘misconception’
They are starting to realize that the cat is out of the bag, that they are fooling no one, and that it is hurting them.
2
@peloni. I appreciate your willingness to engage in a serious discussion with me about this issue. Throughout my life, I have become accustomed to people just ignoring whatever I have to say.
I will check out the discrepancies in the dates. One possible source of them is that Ukraine has had several “revolutions,” in the sense of non-electoral changes of, before 2022. All of them were messy, and involved complex interactions between the army and various civilian elits. At lesat for the time being until I see “preoof: otherwise, I will stick with my belief that it took place in or about 2013-14, and that the United States did not have the the power to manufacture the boisterousness, size and and energy of the crowds.
But the examples of the U.S ineffectiveness in controlling or manufacturing popular uprisings has been demonstrated in numerous countries around the world, including the “Arab Spring” countries. Nearly all ‘reporters “on the scenr” agree that the huge crowds demonstrating against the Mubarak government that filled one of Cairo’s main squares had not been motivated to assemble there by the United States. Nearly all reporters both on the scene reported that Washington seem initially suprised by the demonstrations, although they moved quickly to try to take control of the situation. However, Washington was not very successful even then. The OBama administration did everything it could to secure the election of the Muslim Brotherhood candidate, Mohammed Morsi, and did achieve some success in this regard by subsidizing “local” Muslim Brotherhood ballor stuffers, However, Washington was unable to make Morsi’s regime popular or stable, and it wasn’t long before huge crowds appeared in the central squares of Cairo demanding his removal. These demonstrations were partially “inspired” by the Egyptian military, which did not like being ousted from power by the Brotherhood, the USG was not especially happy about it. Since them the U.S. has struggled to gain control of the military regime of Mohammed Al-Sisi, but has met with stubborn resistance to Washington’d efforts to control Egypt through “civil society” and “human rights” organizations. And on the whole it has been helpful to Israel that these U.S. efforts have failed.
I ‘ve vastly exceeded my allowed time. But I would like in the future to detail hoe U.S. efforts to control of Cuba, Korea, Vietnam, Iran, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan have failed completely, despite the investment of trul vast sums of money and thousands of American lives in failed eforts to control the politics of these countries. Ted, please be patient with me and permit this comment.
1
@Adam
As I tried to explain in my earlier comments
I read you comments but as I will explain, with all due respect, you seem to be missing some details specificallyvis a vis the relationship between the US and Ukaine. Obviously feel free to explain why I am wrong in these assertions.
, the U.S. did not have the power to bring hundreds of thousands of people into the streets in numerous Ukrainian cities to protest the what they claimed waas a rigged election.
This is exactly what the US did in the Arab Spring, or is it your contention that that was actually another spontaneous event in addition to the astroturf protests of the color revolutions?
The people who see the United States as behind every :regime change: in the world, and furthermore that they can achieve these regime changes with out :boots on the ground, are delusional.
The US didn’t need boots on the ground, they had the Nazi’s in the Hotel Ukraina which had raided the regional arsenals to act on their behalf.
When the “”orange revolution” erupted in Ukraine in 2013-14, the U.S. had few boots on the ground. U.S. military aid to Ukraine did not even begin until 2015, under Obama.
The Orange Revolution took place in 2004 not 2014, and the US funding in Ukraine preceded this. Again, it didn;’t take military funding, not official military funding in any event, but there were $5Bn of US funding which preceded the Maidan Revolution and went all the way back to before 2004. It likely began somewhere around the time when the US pulled out of the stategic missile treaty with Russia, but it was definitely before 2004 in any event.
But it has very little power in countries where it has not managed to sink such roots, such as Ukraine,
How many roots do you think you could purchase from an utterly corrupt nation such as Ukraine when $5Bn was being spent there, and likely far more than this, during the more than 10yrs preceding the Maidan Coup. How many billions did it take for China to buy the influence of the Biden crime family? $1.5Bn. For the right price in such oligarchies as the US and Ukraine, everything is for sale at the right price
Notably, as was seen in the Arab spring, you didn’t even need the money, just the media and social media influence, which was later brought home to be used on the American people.
@peloni, As I tried to explain in my earlier comments, the U.S. did not have the power to bring hundreds of thousands of people into the streets in numerous Ukrainian cities to protest the what they claimed waas a rigged election. Even if the U.S. had attempted to provoke discontent in Ukraine or regime change there, they simply did not have the power to do this. It is not true that the U.S., is so powerful that it can bring down any government anywhere, The people who see the United States as behind every :regime change: in the world, and furthermore that they can achieve these regime changes with out :boots on the
ground, are delusional. When the “”orange revolution” erupted in Ukraine in 2013-14, the U.S. had few boots on the ground. U.S. military aid to Ukraine did not even begin until 2015, under Obama.
The left’s Manichean vision of the world, in which the U,S. is behing everything bad that happens everywhere, resembles the vsion propagated by the “Protcols of the Learned Elders of Zion” that a Jewish cabal is behing everything that goes wrong in the world, or the view of medieval Christians that the devil is behinf everything that goes wrong in the world.
It is true that the U.S. is a real great power, not like the fictitious internal Jewish cabal, or the alledly omnipresent devil. Still, it is not all powerful. It has great power in countries where it has sunk deep economic or military roots, such as Panana. But it has very little power in countries where it has not managed to sink such roots, such as Ukraine, Belorussia, Georgia or the Centrakl Asian republics.
1
I think Hazony made a good point towards the end of the video. There is mind warfare going on in the United States, and it has been going on for some time. The latest iteration is representing Israel as genocidal. It is an attempt to paint Israel and the United States as irredeemably evil. Patriots in the US have been “defined” by the CIA as “domestic terrorists” just as Israelis who are defending themselves against genocide are smeared as “genocidal.”
Actually the people in the US who have been labeled “conservative,” are actually more moderate than the progressives who believe in destroying America in order to “protect democracy.”
Words have been politicized to entrap and imprison those who want to protect their sovereign nations against fascist totalitarian forces, be they Marxism, Nazism, globalism, and Islamic terrorism.
We, the protectors of our country are the mainstream of America. It is the lunatic fringe who have united with psychopaths to see if they can destroy our country, and now they want to see if they can do it to Israel. We are not going to let this happen. There is going to be a great reckoning.
2
Why haven’t these “protesters” been drafted? If they are old enough, healthy enough and have enough free time on their hands to be making trouble in the streets, they’re not too old to be in the army. If they’re going to draft the Haredim, who don’t bother anybody else, they should draft these hooligans first. And if they misbehave or disobey, it’s a great excuse to clap them in irons, matie. 😀 Thus killing two birds with one stone (my apologies to bird lovers,)
1
The “colorrevolutions” in Ukraine, Belorussia (where is was put down) Georgia nd :Kyrgystan wrtere attempt to make thos countries more democratic, not less. Whether they succeeded in this regard is open to debate. But Israel’s “color revoltion” is an attempt to preserve a reactionary status quo in which the people’s elected representatives have little or no say in the government of the country. While the genuine color revolutionaries welcomed foreign assistance, they never placed themselves totally under the control of a foreign government, the Israeli Jewish intifadists are willing to place themselves and their country under the rule of a forein power, the Biden administration, in order to force Israel’s elected government from office, and from what little power they have
2
@Adam
While the genuine color revollutions sought to make their countries more democratic
Color revolutions are foreign financed influence operations which are funded to capture the control of the nations being Color revolutioned by that foreign influence. This was true in Georgia, it was true in Ukraine and it is true in Israel. Or perhaps you can explain why Yankee State Dept coordinated coup in Ukraine was less egregious or more “genuine” than the Yankee State Dept coordinated coup being conducted today in Israel.
While the genuine color revollutions sought to make their countries more democratic (whether they succeeded in doing so is a legitimate topic for debate), the Israeli :insurrection” aims at the overthrow of Israel’s elected government and the preservation of a reactionary status quo in which the only votes that count are those of the 850 layers of the Bar Associaion. And these are overwhelmingly Communists who support a n Arab Palestine “from the River to the Sea.” They also aim at preserving the power of Hamas Hizbollah, and the PLO Ramallah regime. they are willing to place their country totally under the control of a foreign power–the U.S. Biden administration. If you insist on calling this reactionary revolt a “color revolution, then color it yellow. And make the yellow star its emblem.
1
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“Nichols and May “Telephone Operator. 1960.
https://youtu.be/SfLaY-R9kaU?si=__DtEUR8ETPs0V3K
Israel is never allowed to finish its enemies as the poor relation to its big brother USA. Biden it appears has dictated to Bibi to stop the fighting. IDF has pulled most ground troops out Khan Yunis and immediately a couple of rockets were fired at Israel.
I do not think the USA will allow Israel to finish Hamas in Rafah. This means Hamas will survive the war. Badly damaged with about 80% of its terrorist/fighters killed or severely wounded.
Hostages still held by Hamas. If we are not putting military pressure on them then we have no leverage to get the hostages.
Will Israel keep building the buffer zone of one km from the North to the South of Gaza or will the IDF completely have to pull out of Gaza.
This is a disaster. Who will want to return to their former homes near Gaza (if they are standing or need to be rebuilt) if Hamas is not totally finished.
In everything to do with the attacks on Israel Hazony is so accurate. Imagine then my surprise on Ukraine he is lost…no evidence of anything you could label research.
Sebastien
Comment then on Hazony recommended Times of Israel to Bannon
Thanks
Peloni
You leave out I think unintentional that there are a few big factors
1. Role of Stalinism
2. Corruption in the left due to 1
3. Role of the bourgeoisie in deliberately corrupting the left
The end result is a vacuum of leadership in the left
Bear
I would have you arrested for calling them “far left”
E g
AOC is not anything but establishment and Omar is very right wing Islamist
Lapid is now in USA meeting with Blinken, Schumer and the other Democrats who want to oust Bibi from power and get someone in the PM Seat who say yes sir when Biden & Company sasy jump.
Trump better win the election as Biden and Company have gone full anti Israel since Biden’s poll numbers are done and the far left Israel haters are threatening to abandon Biden in the Nov. 5 2024 election.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-envoy-idea-biden-trying-to-topple-netanyahu-a-misconception/
They are starting to realize that the cat is out of the bag, that they are fooling no one, and that it is hurting them.
@peloni. I appreciate your willingness to engage in a serious discussion with me about this issue. Throughout my life, I have become accustomed to people just ignoring whatever I have to say.
I will check out the discrepancies in the dates. One possible source of them is that Ukraine has had several “revolutions,” in the sense of non-electoral changes of, before 2022. All of them were messy, and involved complex interactions between the army and various civilian elits. At lesat for the time being until I see “preoof: otherwise, I will stick with my belief that it took place in or about 2013-14, and that the United States did not have the the power to manufacture the boisterousness, size and and energy of the crowds.
But the examples of the U.S ineffectiveness in controlling or manufacturing popular uprisings has been demonstrated in numerous countries around the world, including the “Arab Spring” countries. Nearly all ‘reporters “on the scenr” agree that the huge crowds demonstrating against the Mubarak government that filled one of Cairo’s main squares had not been motivated to assemble there by the United States. Nearly all reporters both on the scene reported that Washington seem initially suprised by the demonstrations, although they moved quickly to try to take control of the situation. However, Washington was not very successful even then. The OBama administration did everything it could to secure the election of the Muslim Brotherhood candidate, Mohammed Morsi, and did achieve some success in this regard by subsidizing “local” Muslim Brotherhood ballor stuffers, However, Washington was unable to make Morsi’s regime popular or stable, and it wasn’t long before huge crowds appeared in the central squares of Cairo demanding his removal. These demonstrations were partially “inspired” by the Egyptian military, which did not like being ousted from power by the Brotherhood, the USG was not especially happy about it. Since them the U.S. has struggled to gain control of the military regime of Mohammed Al-Sisi, but has met with stubborn resistance to Washington’d efforts to control Egypt through “civil society” and “human rights” organizations. And on the whole it has been helpful to Israel that these U.S. efforts have failed.
I ‘ve vastly exceeded my allowed time. But I would like in the future to detail hoe U.S. efforts to control of Cuba, Korea, Vietnam, Iran, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan have failed completely, despite the investment of trul vast sums of money and thousands of American lives in failed eforts to control the politics of these countries. Ted, please be patient with me and permit this comment.
@Adam
I read you comments but as I will explain, with all due respect, you seem to be missing some details specificallyvis a vis the relationship between the US and Ukaine. Obviously feel free to explain why I am wrong in these assertions.
This is exactly what the US did in the Arab Spring, or is it your contention that that was actually another spontaneous event in addition to the astroturf protests of the color revolutions?
The US didn’t need boots on the ground, they had the Nazi’s in the Hotel Ukraina which had raided the regional arsenals to act on their behalf.
The Orange Revolution took place in 2004 not 2014, and the US funding in Ukraine preceded this. Again, it didn;’t take military funding, not official military funding in any event, but there were $5Bn of US funding which preceded the Maidan Revolution and went all the way back to before 2004. It likely began somewhere around the time when the US pulled out of the stategic missile treaty with Russia, but it was definitely before 2004 in any event.
How many roots do you think you could purchase from an utterly corrupt nation such as Ukraine when $5Bn was being spent there, and likely far more than this, during the more than 10yrs preceding the Maidan Coup. How many billions did it take for China to buy the influence of the Biden crime family? $1.5Bn. For the right price in such oligarchies as the US and Ukraine, everything is for sale at the right price
Notably, as was seen in the Arab spring, you didn’t even need the money, just the media and social media influence, which was later brought home to be used on the American people.
@peloni, As I tried to explain in my earlier comments, the U.S. did not have the power to bring hundreds of thousands of people into the streets in numerous Ukrainian cities to protest the what they claimed waas a rigged election. Even if the U.S. had attempted to provoke discontent in Ukraine or regime change there, they simply did not have the power to do this. It is not true that the U.S., is so powerful that it can bring down any government anywhere, The people who see the United States as behind every :regime change: in the world, and furthermore that they can achieve these regime changes with out :boots on the
ground, are delusional. When the “”orange revolution” erupted in Ukraine in 2013-14, the U.S. had few boots on the ground. U.S. military aid to Ukraine did not even begin until 2015, under Obama.
The left’s Manichean vision of the world, in which the U,S. is behing everything bad that happens everywhere, resembles the vsion propagated by the “Protcols of the Learned Elders of Zion” that a Jewish cabal is behing everything that goes wrong in the world, or the view of medieval Christians that the devil is behinf everything that goes wrong in the world.
It is true that the U.S. is a real great power, not like the fictitious internal Jewish cabal, or the alledly omnipresent devil. Still, it is not all powerful. It has great power in countries where it has sunk deep economic or military roots, such as Panana. But it has very little power in countries where it has not managed to sink such roots, such as Ukraine, Belorussia, Georgia or the Centrakl Asian republics.
I think Hazony made a good point towards the end of the video. There is mind warfare going on in the United States, and it has been going on for some time. The latest iteration is representing Israel as genocidal. It is an attempt to paint Israel and the United States as irredeemably evil. Patriots in the US have been “defined” by the CIA as “domestic terrorists” just as Israelis who are defending themselves against genocide are smeared as “genocidal.”
Actually the people in the US who have been labeled “conservative,” are actually more moderate than the progressives who believe in destroying America in order to “protect democracy.”
Words have been politicized to entrap and imprison those who want to protect their sovereign nations against fascist totalitarian forces, be they Marxism, Nazism, globalism, and Islamic terrorism.
We, the protectors of our country are the mainstream of America. It is the lunatic fringe who have united with psychopaths to see if they can destroy our country, and now they want to see if they can do it to Israel. We are not going to let this happen. There is going to be a great reckoning.
Why haven’t these “protesters” been drafted? If they are old enough, healthy enough and have enough free time on their hands to be making trouble in the streets, they’re not too old to be in the army. If they’re going to draft the Haredim, who don’t bother anybody else, they should draft these hooligans first. And if they misbehave or disobey, it’s a great excuse to clap them in irons, matie. 😀 Thus killing two birds with one stone (my apologies to bird lovers,)
The “colorrevolutions” in Ukraine, Belorussia (where is was put down) Georgia nd :Kyrgystan wrtere attempt to make thos countries more democratic, not less. Whether they succeeded in this regard is open to debate. But Israel’s “color revoltion” is an attempt to preserve a reactionary status quo in which the people’s elected representatives have little or no say in the government of the country. While the genuine color revolutionaries welcomed foreign assistance, they never placed themselves totally under the control of a foreign government, the Israeli Jewish intifadists are willing to place themselves and their country under the rule of a forein power, the Biden administration, in order to force Israel’s elected government from office, and from what little power they have
@Adam
Color revolutions are foreign financed influence operations which are funded to capture the control of the nations being Color revolutioned by that foreign influence. This was true in Georgia, it was true in Ukraine and it is true in Israel. Or perhaps you can explain why Yankee State Dept coordinated coup in Ukraine was less egregious or more “genuine” than the Yankee State Dept coordinated coup being conducted today in Israel.
While the genuine color revollutions sought to make their countries more democratic (whether they succeeded in doing so is a legitimate topic for debate), the Israeli :insurrection” aims at the overthrow of Israel’s elected government and the preservation of a reactionary status quo in which the only votes that count are those of the 850 layers of the Bar Associaion. And these are overwhelmingly Communists who support a n Arab Palestine “from the River to the Sea.” They also aim at preserving the power of Hamas Hizbollah, and the PLO Ramallah regime. they are willing to place their country totally under the control of a foreign power–the U.S. Biden administration. If you insist on calling this reactionary revolt a “color revolution, then color it yellow. And make the yellow star its emblem.