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no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
@Reader You only read the paragraph I quoted. Not good enough. It was a popular movement and the elected representatives agreed with it, You are seeing conspiracies where none exist.
CORRECTION:
They started doing this in the late 60s.
@Sebastien Zorn
In other words, you assumed from the wording of the slogan and its renewed popularity among the youth that the PTB’s reasoning was
The situation has nothing to do with this interpretation of the PTB’s reasoning – we still don’t know what their reasoning was but we DO know that that was the reasoning of the youth and student activists.
You are assuming that the PTB used the same reasoning as the youth which may or may not be true.
Here is the history of the thing:
https://www.history.com/topics/united-states-constitution/the-26th-amendment
“Old enough to fight, old enough to vote” slogan didn’t originate from the reasoning of the government officials, it originated at first in the youth voting rights movement of the 1940s, and was then taken up again by the student activists in the 60s.
The issue wasn’t up to the federal government, it was considered a state issue, maybe that’s why the federal government first started trying to solve it only as late as the early 70s.
@Reader
Did you read it? I put it in my own words but that’s what it says. And I was around in the 70s though I was about 10 or 11 when this was passed.. I remember. I probably learned about it in school. It was something written and talked about. Didn’t affect my family but we were very political.
@Sebastien Zorn
nixonlibrary, etc
Thanks for the great piece of info but what does it prove?
It doesn’t say anything about “reasoning that political invo,vement implied maturity and needed a legal outlet”.
It was a longstanding issue “old enough to fight/kill but not old enough to vote” which became acute again in the 60s due to the Vietnam war.
The clever politicians made the anti-war movement irrelevant by turning the military into what is now, essentially, a mercenary force, and now everyone loves “our heroes who fight for our freedoms” in the far-off lands.
Turns out, those who protested the war in Vietnam merely didn’t want to be drafted.
@Reader
https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/news/26th-amendment
@Sebastien Zorn
To let out the steam, you actually sound flattered by this, I am sure the kids were too.
How do you know their reasoning?
Your examples confirm that the PTB keep their fingers on the pulse and adjust these things to suit their needs.
Situational ethics.
@Edgar It seems The Mishna and Talmud, calling them, androgenous, categorizes this in detail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex_people_and_religion
I have always been confused about whether the Mishna is part of the Talmud or separate. It’s referred to both ways in a lot of places. Is it one of those words with more than one meaning, like Torah. Why refer to them separately or why not say Mishna and Gemara or Midrash?
@Edgar Your guess that Hermes was the origin was close.
And I found this odd explanation from the Intersex Society of North America
“Is a person who is intersex a hermaphrodite?
‘No. The mythological term “hermaphrodite” implies that a person is both fully male and fully female. This is a physiologic impossibility.
‘The words “hermaphrodite” and “pseudo-hermaphrodite” are stigmatizing and misleading words. Unfortunately, some medical personnel still use them to refer to people with certain intersex conditions, because they still subscribe to an outdated nomenclature that uses gonadal anatomy as the basis of sex classification. In a paper titled Changing the Nomenclature/Taxonomy for Intersex: A Scientific and Clinical Rationale, five ISNA-associated experts recommend that all terms based on the root “hermaphrodite” be abandoned because they are scientifically specious and clinically problematic. The terms fail to reflect modern scientific understandings of intersex conditions, confuse clinicians, harm patients, and panic parents. We think it is much better for everyone involved when specific condition names are used in medical research and practice.
‘To read more about the Victorian origins of the medical terminology of “true” and “pseudo” hermaphroditism, check out chapter 5 of Alice Dreger’s Hermaphrodites and the Medical Invention of Sex which is available at our bookshelf, or go to our FAQ called What’s the history behind the intersex rights movement?.
‘One more thing: While some intersex people seek to reclaim the word “hermaphrodite” with pride to reference themselves (much like the words “dyke” and “queer” have been reclaimed by LBGT people), we’ve learned over the years it is best generally avoided, since the political subtlety is lost on a lot of people.”
@Reader “…the 1960s and in Europe/Russia in the 1st 30 years of the 20th century?
In order to have a revolution (or a war) you need a very large percentage of young people in the population.
So the PTB might have wanted to level out the percentages…”
Then why did they explicily lower the voting age to 18 reasoning that political invo,vement implied maturity and needed a legal outlet, even amending the US Constitution in the 70s in response to all the young people in the anti-war movement?
FDR, on the other hand, lowered the draft age from 21 to 18 so there would be a larger pool of soldiers.
I saw some info some time ago that this whole case was really fishy and was brought with the influence of some 3rd parties not to protect the rights of the plaintiff but for other reasons.
As far as to why the government would want it – remember what happened in the US in the 1960s and in Europe/Russia in the 1st 30 years of the 20th century?
In order to have a revolution (or a war) you need a very large percentage of young people in the population.
So the PTB might have wanted to level out the percentages in order not to have any more problems with a very large number of the demanding, energetic and curious youngsters who take the propaganda literally.
@Reader Jack Frager was a close friend at that time.
https://libcom.org/article/frager-jack-1903-1998
He had also take part in the Civil Rights Movement in the 60s, by which time he was a pacifist though he had been a fighter in the Makhnovschina when he was 17 blowing up Allied trains.
He bequathed his crumbling collection of old Anarchist newspapers to me before he retired to Florida and I donated them to the NYU Loeb Labor Center which was endowed on condition that the public be given free access.
@Reader as did most Communists and all Anarchist Communists like her of her generation, at least in principle, though she practiced what she preached. I remember visiting Anarchist theoretician, Sam Dolgoff, who was a friend of mine in the late 70s, when I was an Anarcho-Communist, myself, seeing his happy nuclear family and thinking him a hypocrite. He acted kind of sheepish and apologetic about it. Ha Ha.
@Reader It was just Alito’s draft. Despite a preponderance of conservative judges thanks to Trump, I’ll bet you that they back down, just like they did on the 2020 election. They are afraid for themselves and their families. If it were a setup, I would guess that the labor shortage would have more to do with it since even when we have gone to war since ww2, not many Americans have died. What would have been the setup the first time around? Shrinking the Black community, as has been suggested based on results? Margaret Sanger declared that as her aim, though actually she just got it from one of Emma Goldman’s lectures after she brought it back from France. Emma Goldman was a feminist who believed in free love.
@Edgar Gilbert and Sullivan has always been and remains a permanent staple of Upper West Side culture. For example:
Wikipedia
Apparently all the major religions have writings about it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex_people_and_religion
I was supposed to accompany another production at Riverside Church but the Pandemic happened.
@Edgar. D’Oyle Carte I remember. I googled it and found.
I grew up listening to Gilbert and Sullivan for which they were known. Before I was birn, my motheraccompanied and directed my sister in elementary school as Yum Yum in a production of the Mikado. Tom Lehrer also wrote songs in their style.
@SEBASTIEN-
I’m surprised that Muslims could write as early as the 12th cent. And I’d bet they picked the wrong one each time. Which results in the Mashugenna Mamzerim they are today.
Talking about The Gay ’90s” that is a musical score with mixed tunes , Waltz, March, Schottische, Two step, Polka etc. Very nice to play. Also there is another excellent selection called “Linke in The Ballroom”…all waltzes.
In each selection, as the tune changed the music modulated into a different key. Beautifully arranged.
It’s astonishing how a simple mention of the “Gay 90s” calls to mind items I haven’t thought about since age about 25-6. I used to play them , and this was before I came to Canada from Ireland. Canadian orchestras and bands were far less sophisticated in their musical tastes, being more “modern”….
My dear late mother always talked to me about the music and artistes she’d seen , as she was growing up in Cork City. they had/have a very fine Opera house. Gertie Gitana ,G.H. Elliott, Ella Shields, The Moody-Manners Opera Company, The D’Oyley Carte Opera Company, The Joseph O’Mara Opera Company, and more.
These entities were very well known then, with International reputations, but either gone or in the background today. Joseph O’Mara was a famous tenor, including Light Opera, Grand Opera, Goldberg and Solomon, with great success. A precursor to John McCormack……
I was always fascinated by those stories, and could see them in my mind’s eye.
Oh, and apologies about the “wind” Purely a typo and no veiled reference to your posts.
Roe vs. Wade was a set-up and its reversal is a set-up.
They want more kids to be born to replace those lost in the coming war or to fight in the future war.
Zionism is about returning to Zion and nothing else.
!@SEBASTIEN-
I think you were a right wind Zionist before you “woke”, It’s a natural thing for a Jew who can see beyond his nose to be. And you are very definitely that sort of Jew, regardless of your “experimentations”. Lefty Jews are mostly the soft-bean headed kind of “Tikkun-Olomites”. And “mites” they are. I even believe that their Zionism is “conditional” and circumscribed.
How many famous, enormously wealthy Jews do we have who gave far more to Anti-Semitic places like Harvard and it’s like , than to Jewish causes, just to get a crumb of “recognition’ as a “good” Jew. SICKENING.
One can be responsive to the suffering of others, as all decent people are, (Jews and others), without it interfering with their strong Jewish feelings. for Israel and our survival as a separate and distinct nation and civilisation.
It was Jews who first brought sympathy and feeling for the old, widows and orphans into concrete action. Nobody gives us credit for this, and we ourselves don’t even think about it, as it is to US, a part of being a human being. The most irreligious of us have Torah deep inside somewhere.
But…as well know from our desolate history, many Goyim, brainwashed by the cursed Christian Church, would see us all dead.
I grew up on that kind of atmosphere where it was a privilege to even be allowed to breathe. It has shaped my attitudes and character. causing me to be even stronger. You likely have the same feelings, that make you a strongly right wing Zionist.
@Edgar It’s another Orwellian term. Urban dictionary describes it’s origins thus:
Merriam-Webster, would you believe, defines it as
I woke up, too, and became a rightwing Zionist.
@Edgar Remember the Gay ’90s? 1890s, that is, ha ha.
I recall reading that Muslim writers were writing about hermaphrodites in the 12 th century and said they had to choose one.
@SED-
You know, I don’t even know what “woke” is meant to mean the way it’s used lately. Yo me, it’s short for awoke as in opening one’s eyes after sleep???
Would you believe it, the old Greek god Hermes, had dozens of children, one of whom was Hermaphroditus. ………….????
@Edgar whom the Woke call, “intersex,” denouncing the original word as bigoted in some way. Still, I think that eith hermaphrodites, either the male or female functions will be fominant, unless I am misremembering what I read a lomg time ago.
@HONEYBEE-
There’s a rumour to that effect. There’s also another rumour that they may be women who try to look like men.
And to be serious, it’s a sad, cruel fact that there are hermaphrodites.
@Honey I have spoken to woke fools who insisted men have become pregnant. Upon googling it I found only the case of Thomas Beatie who was a woman who had surgery to make her appear to be a man but left her female reproductive organs intact. She married a woman who was infertile so she got herself pregnant with donated sperm.
Determination to provoke war with Russia plus collective surgical self mutilation by the lunatics running our national asylum for which it stands made me think of this randomly.
https://youtu.be/peHEOgiQgnI
So men really cannot become pregnant?
Edgar: True dat
@HONEYBEE-
His “corn” sense of humour is much better. And Jacko better still…!
Sebastien: I enjoy your rye sense of humor.
They are not biologists.