Jackson Diehl starts out his article, The upsides of Egypt’s revolution, with,
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Imagine an Egypt that consistently opposes the West in international forums while relentlessly campaigning against Israel. A government that seeds its media with vile anti-Semitism, locks relations with Israel in a cold freeze and makes a habit of publicly rejecting “interference” in its affairs by the United States. A regime that allows Hamas to import tons of munitions and Iranian rockets into the Gaza Strip.
That would be the government of Hosni Mubarak – the same one that the United States propped up with tens of billions of dollars in aid, at the cost of tarnishing America’s image among democrats and a frustrated young generation across the Middle East. If Egypt now makes a transition to genuine democracy, its foreign policy might not get much better from Washington’s point of view. But it is unlikely to get worse.
He phantasizes the following upsides
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So the first benefit of a democratic Egypt will be a government that will have to take responsibility for its policies, instead of tacitly blaming them on the United States – and extracting unnecessary bribes from Washington. It will have to defend its policies to its own people – which means, for example, that it will have an incentive to check rather than promote anti-Semitic propaganda.
A second benefit should be the end of an era in which U.S. administrations were blamed by Arab media and much of the public for torture, censorship and other repression. That connection not only has fueled anti-Americanism in the region but has also motivated terrorists such as Ayman al-Zawahiri, the Egyptian who is al-Qaeda’s second in command.
SHY GUY: After 47 posts, that is what you come up with? I looked it up and by gosh you are right. I am now going to down an 8oz glass of hemlock. You won’t be hearing from me from here on in….probably make everyone happy…..as they say in Canada….eh?
The trouble here is that you really don’t realize how close the US is to this reality. The ONLY reason you’re not boarding a plane with only your shirt on your back right now is because Hashem is giving you time to realize things on your own. As soon as the US population “wakes up”, via whatever unknown event, your eyes will be opened immediately. Your currency is already worthless and your entire financial system is bankrupt, being held together by lies, unadulterated money printing and a general will of the people to disbelieve what they know is happening around them. They will not remain in this stupor forever.
I know you live here already Ted, I’m happy you do! But you keep sticking up for those Jews that live elsewhere and you’re not doing them any favors by doing so. As far as your past shomer Shabbat status, I hope you find your way back soon
There is no “e” after the “u” in “argument”.
JEW/YONATON: Ted is right, you are wrong. You seem to want to clump all Goyem into a single mind set with only like thoughts. You can’t speak to what everyone thinks, you don’t have an inkling of what each of us thinks. In Israel itself, 44% of Jews are secular…Jews in name. The rest, either Traditional, Traditional Observant, Orthodox, and Ultra Orthodox. There are Jews there who spit on other Jews because they’re not traditional enough. Jews are people…human beings…as are Goyem. The old adage “Put two Jews together, and what do you get? An arguement”. Every Jew is an individual as is every non Jew. How intelligent people (not you JEW) can think that all Jews think one way, and all Goyem another is crazy. For the first 22 years of my life, I was a Jew in America when there had been no such thing as an Israel for almost 3000 years. I can’t ever remember in my lifetime being called “A dirty Jew” or anything similar. You both think that a Hitler is going to emerge in America and do to us what he did to the German Jews. Yes, I know they didn’t believe it could happen to them….but Germany had just lost the worst war in history, they were a broken country, their money was worthless, and Hitler came to power and disbanded the Reichstag. They were a country used to being ruled by divine right, not a land of Liberty with a constitution. They were ethnically pretty much the same thru’ the centuries. There is no such thing as an “AMERICAN” unless you include the native Indians…we are all homogeneous and come from everywhere. Please, don’t insult your intelligence (this doesn’t refer to you JEw) by suggesting that it could happen in America like it happened in Germany. You will see that when this muslim in the White House is held to one term that things will change….and yes, Yamit, America will once again be Israel’s friend.
I once wanted to become an atheist but I gave up . . . they have no holidays.
If you ever forget you’re a Jew, a Gentile will remind you.
Bernard Malamud
Catholics believe life begins at conception. Atheists believe that life begins at birth. Jews believe that life begins when the children leave home and the dog dies.
Sorry guys, there are people who are anti-Israel and Pro-Israel in all countries including Israel.
It will surprise you to know that I was Shomrai Shabbat for 25 years during my marriage and my kids are still Shomrai Shabbat. One of them made aliya twenty years ago and served as a diplomat in Israel’s Foreign Ministry and I made aliya two years ago.
Ted / Jomit – How you feel about yourself and your host nation is not the same thing as how the non Jewish inhabitants of that same nation feel about Jews and by extension, you. Keep ignoring history and current events at your own peril.
you will witness youself
the day will come that even “kissingers” and “soroses” will be expelled, like 70 years ago
of course, solidarity with the Jewish People does not mean anything to you
Ted wrote
of course, if you are assimilated, if you live exactly like the goy and if you declare absolute loyalty to the goy, then you don’t feel like a stranger since you have become like the goy and being Jew has become a meaningless folklore for you (“For them there is more to life than being Jewish“). fortunately, the goy still considers you a stranger and that’s the way how G-d preserves the Jewish people. either you come back to Israel because you are faithful and not corrupt, or G-d uses the goy to expell you. anyway the exiles will come back. However, there is a difference: if you are faithful you come back early and you have time to bring something with you, and if you are forced to come back, you don’t have the time to take anything with you besides your life
I lived in Canada all my life and never felt like a stranger or a guest. Most Jews are not as parochial as you. For them there is more to life than being Jewish. Very few Jews share your opinion.
Ted Belman:
JEW: I am not a guest in America. I am an American. End of discussion. You can make all the assumptions
you want, and prattle on and on trying to sound like a Rabbi, but that is just talk, and not very convincing talk at that. My facts are that I was thankfully born in the USA, I was educated here and given the opportunity to earn a living. Not by Goyem, and not by Jews, but by fellow Americans. I consider myself a Jew, and I love America, and I love Israel, and I don’t need to keep seeing your bullshit about what I am and what I’m not.
The difference is that I know and you don’t. So while I know what a supercilious ass you are, I don’t tell you
what you’re not. But then who cares?
Ted, you wrote
Ted, i have never uttered the words you are implanting to me.
my point, Ted, is not that of superiority but of solidarity. when a Jew calls the u.s. “my country” then he has left the Jewish collective and has become an individual exile Jew. this is not a question of superiority but of Jewish solidarity and Jewish identity. it is not surpising that those individual Jews are excessively aggressive and intolerant towards those Jews who are willing to sacrifice their individuality to the benefit of the collective. despite of a right wing rhetoric those individual Jews exhibit a similar behaviour as leftist Jews since both are deniying their essence. now, ted, you can say, who am i to say what is Jewish identity and what not. you’re completely right. i am nothing and not worth pretending such a thing. but i am not doing that. i only relly on three thousand years of jewish tradition. i can give hundreds of JEWISH sources for every thing i say, while laura and joseph can only give hundreds of american sources. so when laura suggests that i be censored, then she should also censer the traditional Jewish texts.
ted, things are VERY SIMPLE: if you live as guest in a foreign country then you can NEVER be yourself, you always have to pay attention, you are dependent, you never can say really freely what you are. but when you are at home then you can. that’s the whole thing.
JEW
You are welcome to tell us what you believe but do not go so far as to suggest you speak for Jews whereas Laura and I don’t. And do not castigate people because they are not true Jews. Get rid of that superiority shit. If you want to say you don’t like America, simply say so and why but do not disparage us who like America.
Having said that, I am well aware of how America works against our interests. But I am also aware of how they work for our interest.
“The sword [dedicated] to the Lord is filled with blood…. for [there is] sacrifice to the Lord in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Edom.” Isaiah 34:6
The Exodus took place. Jews have left Europen and Arab countries for Israel. Those who refused to rise and go immediately perished in the Holocaust. Like in the first Exodus, in the second one almost an entire generation perished, unable to reach the Promised Land; they died in Europe rather than in the Sinai.
The renegade Jews have perished: the Samaritans number mere hundreds, and Reform Jews assimilate quickly. Scores of blind leaders—abominable Jewish community bosses and atheist rabbis—arose to lead the blind into the pit of assimilation. The scale of the devastation of Diaspora Jewry in America, Canada, and Europe, comparable only to the Holocaust in the silence of its victims and disregard of its Judenrat leaders, leaves no doubt about the divine plan.
JEW…….YAWN!!! You are a sicko and I am going to sleep and try to forget you.
I don’t need facts to prove you a meshugah, you do a good job all by yourself.
Get a life.
Joseph, you seem short of arguments. how do you know that i know nothing? how do you know that what i predict won’t happen? what are your sources and arguments (except the use of X-words)? i am not inventing personal opinions. i am reminding facts and the tradition of the prophets and the Sages of Israel. one cannot but acknowledge that you are not insulting me but Judaism, you’re not fighting me but Judaism. for the simple reason that Judaism condemns your way of life. i.e. your willingful escape from being solidary to the Jewish COLLECTIVE in order to subserve your goy landlord.
JEW: I have no idea of why I am bothering to answer your drivel and your rambling meaningless, statements.
You show your utterly senseless thought process by attempting to prognasticate what is about to happen, based on a history of which you have a trifling knowledge. Attempting to equate the America of today with the Germany of yesteryear is a dead giveaway that you know nothing, but aren’t aware of it as of yet. Just about
every event leading to the runup of the Nazi takeover is diametrically opposed to what is taking place in America. So let’s just leave it that if I am nervous it has nothing to do with anything that you have written, thought about, or are about to say in rebuttal. Thank the Lord that wherever you are I don’t have to
listen to your ridiculous spouting of faux history on a regular basis.
Jomit, you wrote:
your “response” shows that you are nervous, and that for two obvious reasons:
a) you fear that “sick assholes” could compromise your successful assimilation in the United States of America. you know at what extent the goy in which land you are a guest supervises your loyality to him, and therefore you hasten to ensure this goy that the Jews are nothing but individuals and that Judaism is nothing but a religion:
you know some pious elder people go on satardays to the synagogue just old christian women go to the church on sundays in order to get some words of comfort, but we Jews were never a nation and will never be, I am a proud American, my country is the United States of America, I love the American People and all my loyalty is towards this Grand and unique Nation which is the United States of America, and believe me I have nothing to do with those assholes who distort the authentic Judaism by inventing that Jews are a nation and a collective rather than an informal group of individuals who can chose to do what they please.
can you tell me when was the last time you had a look in the Tora or the Talmud? maybe we should prohibit these books. when the goy whom you subserve discovers that ALL relevant sources of Judaism have always said the exact opposite of what you are trying to make your goy believe, then he could become upset with you and expulse you from HIS land dispite of all your loyalty like they did in spain and in germany and are going to do in america-rome-edom very soon, too. you will be happy to come to Israel with a single suitcase in your trambling hands.
b) you fear somewhere in your sub-sub-sub-conscious that your imaginative fantasies about the nature of Judaism might be a self-deception, and that explains your hate speach towards every Jew who does not subserve your goy landlord.
to sum it up: you behave and speack exactly the same way german Jews did some 80 years ago and are doing today again. nothing learnt.
“The age of consumerism based on debt is coming to an end. Every thing is about to change. America will never be the same.” I couldn’t agree more.
Yamit,
Nothing you write is incorrect per say. Furthermore everyone is famillar with them. There are solutions. It likely will be difficult, however, this is not insurmountable. Frankly, to be candid, I’m not optimistic about America’s future. At least not with the current leadership. If I led you to believe that I am, that was not my intent.
My point was America’s demise has been predicted over and over again for at least 50 years. Will it be correct this time or will America act to solve the problems it faces before it is to late? A great place to start would be for the American government to sell ALL lands that it owns to the private sector. Time will tell if America will act to solve its problems in time.
In any event, being that this is a web site that is dedicated to Israel I’m not sure it would be appropiate to map out a grand strategy for America here, however, to take two issues America faces. The massive troubles faced by big the banks and the lack of manufacturing capabilities can be solved. In the case of manufacturing, remove some of the regulations that hamper manufacturing in America and reduce the corporate income tax rates would help greatly. As for the banks, those who have bad assets shoud be allowed to crater. The good assets that these banks have on the books will be bought up by the banks who are still solvent. This sort of thing happens all the time when organizations go out of business. Their bad assets are written off and the good ones are taken over by their competitors.
The problems are daunting for America to be sure, as they are for allot of other countries right now, however, not insurmountable, and no I’m not optimistic about America’s future right now.
For what its worth, I think Israel should chart a course for all of its actions that are completely separate from America. The sooner it does this the better. I actually think such a policy serves the best interests of both great nations. From reading your other posts, I think you and I are in agreement that Israel should separate itself from America.
Yamit: Re 1st para: The obvious is that Jews in America are a small fish in a large ocean who consider themselves Americans and then Jews. They have totally assimilated and are truly as American as any other American. The Israeli Jew is the big fish in the small pond, and while allowing the opportunity for their non Jewish minorities to assimilate, it only rarely happens. So as I mentioned several times in posts, we are Americans first. In Israel the citizens are Jews first. We will never be as Jewish here, but we are still Jews. We think Jewish, we feel Jewish, and are honestly more completely comfortable in the company of Jews. That we may be dwindling due to assimilation is unfortunate, but true. Life is changing everywhere, and this fact is an unhappy example.
Re 3rd para: Unhappily true due to above. Today in America White people are increasingly marrying Black people…unheard of 50 years ago. Jews are marrying gentiles. I don’t honestly know where that is headed, but I cannot speak for the collective. Only myself. I have 3 sons, 2 have married Jewish. I despair, for our growth in this country, but for now…Jews are still Jews here. Every one of my Jewish friends that I discuss world affairs with feels about Israel as I do. With my head and with my heart.
JEW: “Joseph, you’re plain wrong: it is not Israel that needs your declining country ruled by an anti-semite, but it is YOU who need Israel, may it be only for emotional reasons. but Israel does not need your country whose fate is sealed. you should learn from tunisia’s ben ali and egypt’s mubarak: the former lived in illusions and had to flee in the middle of the night and the latter lived in illusions and is now awaiting to die in disgrace. there is no difference between a us and a german Jew”.
JEW: For once you might be right. I DO need Israel for many reasons, emotional being just one of them. You are completely wrong on all other counts. Israel DOES need America, as America needs Israel both for different reasons. You are a complete fool to prognosticate the end of America. Many of you on this site seem to feel this way. We have been in far worse straights ie (Civil War, WWII, the great depression). There may be a dunce in the White House at this time, but his time is fast coming to a close. There are brilliant people in Congress today who will change the awful direction this country has taken. You sound almost happy to predict America’s demise, but like many of your posts, this too is a bunch of crap. The difference between a U.S. Jew and a German Jew is that they are both Citizens of their countries first and a Jew second. You appear to be neither.
I prefer not to get personal, I don’t know you but we can speak directly to The Jewish collective and if you have an answer to the 1st and 3rd items I included here I would be very interested to hear your opinion.
Nearly 1.4 million American Jews say they are members of a non-Jewish religion.
Superior sectarianism
THE VANISHING AMERICAN JEW
American Jews — numbered at 5,200,000 strong in 2000 — constitute the second largest and the most influential Jewish community in the World. Yet, that figure hardly provides the objective observer with any insight as to the community’s future viability. To glimpse such an insight, one must examine those twin scourges of Jewish life — Love and Hate, more formally known as Assimilation and Antisemitism.
The United Jewish Communities’ “National Jewish Population Survey 2000” — a decennial demographic study — found that, due to a negative net birthrate (i.e., Jewish deaths exceeded Jewish births for that period), America’s Jewish population had declined by 300,000 souls from 1990 to 2000. This translates to an average net loss of 82 Jews per day for that decade. This is hardly surprising in light of the study’s finding that 70% of Jewish women in the United States between the ages of 25 and 29 were childless.
The study also discovered that, due to an ongoing intermarriage rate in excess of 50%, of all children under the age of 12 with Jewish parentage in the United States, less than half have two Jewish parents. Of the more than half with a gentile parent, (according to other surveys) only a quarter thereof will be raised as Jews. Of these, only a small minority will marry other Jews, as it will be almost impossible for an intermarried Jew, however sincere, to convince his or her child to do what he or she failed to do, namely: marry a fellow Jew.
However, Assimilation and a low birth rate are not the only problems facing the American Jewish community. In its June 2002 “Survey Of Antisemitism In America” the Anti-Defamation League found that one third of all Americans believe that Jews have “dual loyalties” (i.e., they are potentially treasonous) and that one fifth of all Americans believe that Jews have “too much power in the U.S. today” (i.e., they are potentially dangerous). Ironically, it was once perversely believed that the multiplicity of ethnic groups inhabiting America — constituting a plethora of inviting targets for the majority population’s hostility — would provide a bulwark against an obsessive hatred of American Jews. Instead, it seems that at least some of these immigrants simply brought their Jew-hatred with them, thereby finding at least some common ground with those Americans who had arrived before them.
The Message is clear. The American Exile will end, whether by Assimilation or Antisemitism — more likely, by a combination of both.
When the nation-state of Israel was resurrected in 1948, it was home to a mere 5% of World Jewry. Today, it constitutes the largest Jewish community in the World, and is home to 40% of World Jewry. And Israel’s Jewish community is the only one in the World with a positive net birthrate.
Due to ongoing terrorism and the enduring hostility of much of the World, Israel may not seem safe for the individual Jew. Yet, it is the only country in the World that is safe for the collective Jew.
Again, the Message is clear. If the Jewish people are to have a Future, it will only be found in Israel. American Jews can either be a part of that Future, or they can simply disappear.
At 5,200,000 strong, American Jewry will not vanish overnight. But its days are numbered.
“In the history of Social Security they have always paid on time until they don’t.” (Thomas Sowell_)
Americas debt is close to Americas annual GDP! 3/4 of all the States are effectively bankrupt. The dollar is becoming worthless and has lost 95% of it’s i923 value benchmark. Commodities are rising fueled by natural market influences but also because of the dollars intentional debasement. When no foreign entity agrees to buy Americas debt the Fed will and then they will have to initiate QE3 and QE4 etc, watch QE debases the dollar further. The only thing keeping the dollar from free fall till now has been the fact that the dollar is still the worlds reserve currency where all major commodity transactions and most of global trade is carried out in dollars. That will surely end soon.
All the American Banks are in serious trouble and without the free taxpayers money given to them they would all be belly up by now. Any physical asset denominated in dollars is in jeopardy.
America today has no real economy and most Americans do not produce anything of value either. Wars have kept American defense contractors afloat but what they produce is so expensive that few can buy them without a lot of manipulation and threats. Most of what is produced is already obsolete before they can be used in war. And then their effectiveness is questionable.
There is a cure but it won’t be adopted at least not under the current political system and configuration that exists today. Massive civil unrest will occur, martial law and effective dictatorship ensuing. That’s the inevitability facing America in the not too distant future.
The age of consumerism based on debt is coming to an end. Everything is about to change. America will never be the same.
There could be currency war, trade wars and real wars resulting from the above. Food scarcities mostly in the 3rd world will create global instability and wars.
The new Egypt needs food
FAO issues alert on China drought
A sign of the times:: U.S., German stock exchanges to merge
Before my comment that you agreed with I made another that is being held for moderation. I hope Ted will release it because it goes to your optomistic comment re: America and her predicted demise.
Bremmer and Roubini Explain Why a “G-Zero World” Means Conflict, Protectionism, and Trade Wars
JEW: You are a actual symbol of why the world is against Jews. You think that you are the true Messiah and that every Jew should think like you. One of the reasons that Jews have lasted and are God’s chosen is that we are all individuals.
Now you sick asshole, don’t you dare mention me in any comparison to ANY GERMAN… Jew or not who supposedly loves Germany more than Judaism. You sit on your little throne and point fingers at others and tell them what they should be and what they should think. You don’t know a damn thing about any of us except what sick thoughts are in your own mind. Don’t prove yourself the fool (that everyone here knows you are) by putting labels on people. You are a disgrace to the Jewish religion and that includes Jews living in Israel, America, or Germany. Muslims think that they are superior…you are a Jew who thinks that same way. Now go crawl back into your dark hole and wait to spring on some other Jew who you think isn’t Jewish enough. What a putz.
Yamit,
I think you are spot on. Now if we could just convince the leaders of America and the West that you are correct, we might actually make progress.
They might get part of what you say. They would correctly agree with you on the fact that the average Egypian earns very little. Form this, they would say we need to work to bring the earnings of the average Egyptian to a higher level. Like this is going to solve the problem!!
Joseph, you wrote:
if you define your priorities in this way, so what does it mean for you being “Jewish” at all?! we Jews are a NATION, but your nation is america. so what does it mean when you say you are “Jewish”?!
I’ll tell you what i proved: i proved that YOU are from the same kind like the german schmuck since you have the same text on your lips.
Laura,
1. can you give a citation of mine where i used the terms “good” and “bad Jews”? in fact, these are YOUR terms which you project on me.
2. you equalize anti-american with anti-semitic. what an ingenious and creative invention!
3. according to laura, the talmud and the whole rabbinic literature should be censured and barred from israpundit. judaism is kosher to the extent that it does not compromise lauras loyalities to the united states of america.
Egypt with some 84 million people with more than half earning less than 2 dollars a day can never escape from the reality that their demographics, will always play the economic spoiler and pay the price of supporting such growth in population. Egypt is the worlds largest importer of Wheat. Wheat staples are are heavily subsidized in Egypt. Food more than political freedom and rights will be the continuous cause of instability in Egypt, thus the region and the world.
“In the history of Social Security they have always paid on time until they don’t.” (Thomas Sowell_)
Americas debt is close to Americas annual GDP! 3/4 of all the States are effectively bankrupt. The dollar is becoming worthless and has lost 95% of it’s i923 value benchmark. Commodities are rising fueled by natural market influences but also because of the dollars intentional debasement. When no foreign entity agrees to buy Americas debt the Fed will and then they will have to initiate QE3 and QE4 etc, watch QE debases the dollar further. The only thing keeping the dollar from free fall till now has been the fact that the dollar is still the worlds reserve currency where all major commodity transactions and most of global trade is carried out in dollars. That will surely end soon.
All the American Banks are in serious trouble and without the free taxpayers money given to them they would all be belly up by now. Any physical asset denominated in dollars is in jeopardy.
America today has no real economy and most Americans do not produce anything of value either. Wars have kept American defense contractors afloat but what they produce is so expensive that few can buy them without a lot of manipulation and threats. Most of what is produced is already obsolete before they can be used in war. And then their effectiveness is questionable.
There is a cure but it won’t be adopted at least not under the current political system and configuration that exists today. Massive civil unrest will occur, martial law and effective dictatorship ensuing. That’s the inevitability facing America in the not too distant future.
The age of consumerism based on debt is coming to an end. Everything is about to change. America will never be the same.
There could be currency war, trade wars and real wars resulting from the above. Food scarcities mostly in the 3rd world will create global instability and wars.
The new Egypt needs food
FAO issues alert on China drought
A sign of the times:: U.S., German stock exchanges to merge
Bremmer and Roubini Explain Why a “G-Zero World” Means Conflict, Protectionism, and Trade Wars
Much of America’s leadership from the White House, Congress, the intellegence community, the business leaders, and news media have beliefs about Egypt that are in lock step to what Mr. Diehl has written here. In other words, any of them could have written this aritcle. For America’s sake, I hope they are right even though it doesn’t seem likely. The foreign aid to Egypt was essentially black mail being extorted by Egypt. Hopefully this can end now.
America has been written off repeatedly for at least the last 50 years. So far such predictions have yet to come to pass. Will they now? Perhaps, after all a broken clock is right twice a day and America’s problems are significant. The problems aren’t insurmountable but will require serious leadership in near future to solve.
With that said I do think that both Israel and America would be better off with a change in the current relationship. Israel acts as a buffer between America and Islamic terrorists. As such, it is in America’s interest that Israel be strong wether America’s leaders understand this or not. It does seem that American influence may be encouraging Israel to act in ways that seem contrary to its interests. While I can see what America has gotten from the relationship, it seems diffiuclt to see how Israel has benefited.
I think a situation where Israel expands its borders and acts completely independently of America would be in the best interests of both of our great nations. By Israel expanding its borders, this would increase the buffer between America and the Islamic terrorists who are bent on destroying it. This should mean an end to foreign aid from America to Israel. With Israel acting completely apart from America the best interests of both of our nations would be enhanced.
This is my considered opinion based upon my studies of this situation, however, an Israeli would be much more qualified to comment on what Israel should do or not do than I, as an American who has never been to Israel, would be. The same applies to America as well. An American woudl be much better qualified to comment on what his/her country should do than someone who has never been to America would be.
Those who label America the “new Rome” be they foreigners, ivory tower college professors who have never lived in the real world, blind followers of the main stream news media, or whatever else do NOT understand Aemrica, what drives its people, or its government. Perhaps this is why, in spite of a massive effort, the “left” and others have thus far been unsuccessful in destroying America the nation they hate. They don’t properly understand their enemy!! America’s demise has been predicted faithfully for at least the last 50 years and many powerful forces have worked tirelessly to bring the predictions to fruition. Are they FINALLY right? Time will tell. In any event, broken clocks are right twice a day.
Better leadership for America will clearly be needed. Thus far the current leadership is not up to the job. As for Israelis, this will be up to them to choose who will lead them and what policies they will choose to implement. As for me, I hope Israel will act independently of America. I’d even suggest refusing what ever foreign aid Americ may send. I think both great nations are better off without the type of relationship that currently exists.
Little wiener, in the first place I haven’t said anything about what should or should not be discussed. But yes I think anyone anti-Semitic or anti-American should be barred from Israpundit and I do not apologize for taking that position. BTW, how many different names have you used?
Laura:
Finally you are getting back what you have been doing for so very long. Suggesting what should be discussed or not discussed on this site. You continually state that so and so should be barred.
You aree finally reaping what you have sown. And it is about time. It couldn’t have happened to a finer lady.
I don’t have to hate America to be a good Jew. Who are you to determine who is or is not a good Jew? You don’t define me.
Joseph, you’re plain wrong: it is not Israel that needs your declining country ruled by an anti-semite, but it is YOU who need Israel, may it be only for emotional reasons. but Israel does not need your country whose fate is sealed. you should learn from tunisia’s ben ali and egypt’s mubarak: the former lived in illusions and had to flee in the middle of the night and the latter lived in illusions and is now awaiting to die in disgrace. there is no difference between a us and a german Jew.
Every government of every country has it’s own set of problems, conditions, good and bad neighbors, the requirment to satisfy its citizens and the need to attain it’s own position in the world. Within the framework of America’s vital needs, I believe that the word FRIEND applies to our relationship with Israel. If you can think of any other country in the world besides America, who has acted for the most part as a big brother, I’d like to know who that would be. America is not Israel, and vice versa, and we each have needs peculiar to us.
But (notwithstanding our current leader) the U.S., prompted and utzed by it’s Jewish citizens and affiliations has made life easier for Israel than it would have been without it. JMHO.
Joseph I would agree with you if you can define friend and then explain to me a fellow American Jew, how your definition and context shows America is a friend of Israel.
JEW: We are all highly impressed that you love your own country. A new
thought….I do too. That certainly doesn’t change the fact that I love
Israel and love being Jewish. Loving Israel doesn’t mean that you have
to write off it’s only major friend in the world. Incidentally, living
in the U.S., there are a lot who think like me. So….the German’s found
some schmuck who is willing to say he loves Germany (I can’t for the life
of me understand why) but I guarantee that somewhere in Israel is another
putz who would be willing to say on TV…”I love palestinians, and Israel
shouldn’t be a purely Jewish nation”. Now tell me what you’ve proved.
that sounds familiar…
that, too, sounds fa,iliar to me. since i worked in the foreign ministry in jerusalem for a short while i still continue to watch german news, and from time to time they put an assimilated Jew in front of the camera saying: “i am a german, my homeland is germany and i like germany. but my religion [sic!] is Jewish, i have relatives in Israel, but my loyality is towards germany“.
but I care about Israel, not about you!
You won’t get your wish. It’s never going to happen. But the fact that you wish for it makes you no better than jeramiah wright or bill ayers. Also I don’t think anyone who is anti-American should be welcome at Israpundit.
JEW: You too quickly and cavalierly write off the U.S. Yes, we are going through tough times
right now, but 2012 is just around the corner, and we will shake off that lying muslim and begin
the long, slow, climb upward. As to your “Who cares?”, well JEW, I do, so that makes you twice
wrong.
Edom intermarried with Ishmael.
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a completely irrelevant question. who cares about the us? the us is the successor of rome. her bitter end is certain. the earlier the better. sorry for you laura.
Ah, democracy, freedom and change aren’t they wonderful?
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