The Sinai Peninsula comprises one of the most suitable places on Earth to provide the people of Gaza with hope and a peaceful future.
By Joel Roskin, JPOST, DEC 25/23
The 365 km² Gaza Strip has remained a hot potato in Israel-Egypt relations since its conquest by the Egyptian Army in 1948 as part of Egypt’s failed attempt to annihilate the newly-born State of Israel. Egypt invaded Israel along two main axes, reaching the outskirts of Jerusalem and only 20 km. short of Tel Aviv, but the Israel Defense Forces pushed off this offensive. These battles generated a wave of refugees that found haven in the Gaza Strip, which remained under Egyptian military control until 1967.
Since 1948, and up until the current partial release of some of the Israeli babies, children, and women taken hostage by Hamas terrorists, the Egyptians have been significantly involved in the politics and economy of the Gaza Strip. The Egyptians locked the residents of Gaza and the refugees of the 1948 War in the Gaza Strip, and, with the backing of the United Nations, still deny them the right to rebuild their lives in all Arab countries, including in the adjacent Sinai Peninsula of Egypt. This harsh policy was one of the major and long-term catalysts for the intensifying human stagnation of now circa 1.8 million inhabitants within the Strip.
Beyond the abduction, mutilation, burning, rape, and murder of 1,200 Israelis and other nationals, the Hamas terrorist invasion of Israel on October 7 destroyed many Israeli agricultural villages. This barbarian murder-fest led the IDF to conquer the northern Gaza Strip and the Hamas-infested Gaza metropolis as part of Israel’s goal to destroy Hamas terror capabilities. As civilians were ordered to move south, the southern Gaza Strip became a haven for most of Gaza’s residents.
In other words, the metropolis has to be fully evacuated, redesigned, monitored, and only then rebuilt to provide habitable and economic conducive conditions. Such an effort requires unique expertise and immense funding and will take considerable time that cannot be calculated. Therefore, the war is anticipated to end with a unique humanitarian challenge of how to construct a better future for the people of Gaza.
Since Israel’s unconditional turnover of the Gaza Strip to the Palestinian Authority in 2005, Gazans have completely failed to generate a productive Palestinian-administered entity, despite generous economic support, mainly from America, Europe, Qatar, and the UN. This may be associated with the coupled effect of an intrinsic hatred-focused, fanatic, anti-Israel Islamic culture, and links with Iran, along with limited geographical conditions, poor natural and human resources, and a high population density. This situation raises serious doubts that any type of future self-sustainable efforts will yield a stable and free socioeconomic culture and promising future in the Strip. A creative solution is needed ASAP.
The adjoining Sinai Peninsula, in essence, is the exact opposite of the Gaza Strip, comprising one of the most suitable places on Earth to provide the people of Gaza with hope and a peaceful future. Covering 60,000 km² (165 times larger than the Strip), its population is barely around one-third of Gaza’s, making it one of the emptiest places in the Mediterranean region. Although under Egyptian governance, it is an integral geographic-geological continuation of Israel and the Gaza Strip, with which it shares a 200 km. and 14 km. long border, respectively.
Therefore, the geographic setting of the Mediterranean coast of northern Sinai is also a physical continuation of the Gaza Strip with ample, shallow groundwater in the northeast. Here, due to the intensive smuggling of arms to Hamas via Sinai in the last few years, Egypt fully destroyed the residential infrastructure bordering the Gaza Strip, and expelled the local population.
In northwestern Sinai, Egypt has invested immensely in building for agriculture, including freshwater canals. Furthermore, Egypt has surprisingly wired Sinai with excellent infrastructure, overshooting its civilian and industrial needs. These include an array of paved roads and highways connected by tunnels beneath the Suez Canal to mainland Egypt.
The facts demonstrate that the northern Sinai Peninsula is an ideal location to develop a spacious resettlement for the people of Gaza. Its open areas, along with the existing infrastructure, can easily host large-scale development projects that, if led by the Chinese and supported by local labor, for example, can easily mature in just one to two years.
Firm American and international guidance lined with financial and operative support can surely pave the way to this creative and prosperous solution and jointly help Egypt’s dire demographic and economic situation that is challenging its political authority. Israel will also be cooperative in sharing its hi-tech-oriented agricultural capabilities with Egypt as it did following the Peace Treaty in the early 1980s.
If Egypt bravely chooses to change its rigid, old-fashioned policy of keeping Palestinian Gazans in constant distress and consents to such an endeavor, its geopolitical gains will be threefold: It will be hailed by the international community as the savior of the dire plight of Gazans; it will strengthen its status as a leader of the Arab world; and it will finally fulfill its 30+-year-old plan to settle the Sinai and strengthen its control of this zone.
However, history has taught us that Gazans, despite their complaints about their humanitarian situation, may object towards genuine rehabilitation programs. This stubbornness substantially relies on their desire to destroy Israel, which repeatedly comes at their own expense. The ongoing obliteration of Hamas, which terrorizes Palestinian Authority officials and many Gaza residents, may pave the way to the emergence of the proposed Sinai solution, if presented in a wise and discrete manner that conforms to the Middle East mentality.
The writer is a geologist and geographer, and a faculty member of the Department of Geography and Environment at Bar-Ilan University.
@Bear
So no comment on the Bird Brain response from Haley?
Even Desantis saw the relevance of her unartful response.
Funny talking about Trump chickening on the debates hit a nerve. So funny and so predictable.
@Bear
Actually Trump was quite confident that he did not need to debate with the establishment crowd while still commanding an intimidating lead over them. And of course, it appears that he was correct in this assumption. If he had been challenged by someone other than the establishment set of characters he faces, there may have been a need for him to debate. Unfortunately, this was not to be. Hence, the Bush-Cheney appointees will have to settle with pursuing their mocking attempts at obtaining some level of relevant without Trump providing them with the exposure which they are not gaining without him.
So silly. Trump has gone on multiple interviews, with both hostile and rigorous interviewees and has acquitted himself quite well actually. Also, even as he is not on the debate floor, he seems to be well able to exercise his ready wit in describing his opponents with an unequalled skill and talent. The most recent being his labeling Haley as a Bird Brain.
Importantly, it seems that Haley can’t even answer a simple question during an interview to explain that the Civil War was fought over the issue of slavery in the long disputed topic of states rights. Notably Trump’s label of her being a Bird Brain was prior to her proving herself to be one in this exchange. No doubt she was uncomfortable with actually addressing the issue which, as former governor of South Carolina, she had to be well aware of what the answer actually was…or did she this quick witted youth simply act out the part of a Bird Brain talking because she is suffering from a lack of compos mentis which you are misapplying to Trump?
Bear-
From whence did you get all that “poppycrap”(Using”crap” instead of the
forbidden computer word)
Everything you say about Trump is TRUE ..when reversed.
I didn’t thing you went in for such nonsense.
He has the nomination sewn up before the debates and has more important things to do instead of wasting his time and energy on “also rans.”
When did you adopt the Trump traitor Bill Barr as your new apostle??
This is about the worst post ever from you, normally sceptically logical.
Perhaps age is getting to you……
Yes I accept that “sometimes the cognitive ability goes quickly”..I defer to you in this …you should know.
@ Seb,
Trump was not even confident enough that he could successfully compete in debate versus Haley and DeSantis. He was too scared to because it very likely would show he is not a master of the facts or quick wit! In other words he is not so sharp mentally to be able to debate, by his own conclusion!
Is it not in the best interest of the public to see first what he is all about mentally when challenged in a nationally televised debate.
He still does give rivals insulting names but how does he stand up to a mental challenge requiring use of language and facts. It appears he is not very confident about that!!
@Seb I lived at Sde Boker, which is where Ben Gurion lived for many years. I did not meet him because he died the year before I arrived. However, I talked to people about him who knew him very well and he was super sharp. That was from challenging his mind likely.
He spoke Polish, Yiddish, Hebrew, Turkish, English and some French.
Trump speaks a NY Queens version of English. Seems his mind is geared to getting into fights. Anyway he does not impress me.
I will give him credit unlike Mitt Romney when ran for POTUS Trump fought and fought hard against the vile Dems and their endless tricks and lies. I believe that plus his America first policy is what endeared so many people to him.
I believe like Bill Barr, that Dems use the government in inappropriate ways to fight the GOP and Trump. Barr also believes that Trump would also use the power of the government in inappropriate ways against the Democrats.
All this is not good for the country. Meaning the Dems law-fare, inappropriate use of the government against the opposing party. It also not good for the country for this type of behavior to continue. One reason I prefer Haley, who I believe would be better for the country.
All nice and interesting comments does not change the perception Trump is missing a bit or more. Sometimes the cognitive decline goes quickly. Just look at Biden!!
@Bear
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2100971-104-year-old-cyclist-named-worlds-greatest-centenarian-athlete/
@Bear and
@Bear I can’t believe Ben Gurion was only 61 in May of 1948. He looks way older than Trump!
And when he stepped down from as PM in 1963, he would have been 76 or 77 (he was born in October). Trump is 77.
But Ben Gurion aged more visibly early on.
So in cat years? 😀
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion
@Bear I was randomly reminded of:
@Seb, I have been observing Trump and I do notice a slight slowing down. Long way from Biden but it appears he is not what he was in 2016.
Lets face it, irregardless of age which is taking a toll on him visibly, the amount of attacks against and court cases would drag anyone down some. Combine that with his weight problem and age it is no wonder.
@Bear Trump aced his cognitive test, the one Haley demanded.
@Seb, or the better person!!!!
When some horses get too old, they put them out to pasture and everyone is better off for it!
@Bear Well, as they say, “That’s what makes horse racing” and “May the better man win.” 😀
@Seb I prefer Trump over Biden by a million miles, plus a moon and sun!
Candidly do not want either one of them if I was choosing by myself.
I wish Trump would retire and then Haley would likely win the GOP nomination and beat Biden hands down slam dunk.
Haley is a staunch Israel supporter, cares about the budget and would also be for a strong border policy, and is a true conservative!
@Bear
Paid in full. Thank you. Do come again. 😀
My understanding of the Jewish version of the Messiah or Moshiach is that it’s much less ambitious than the Christian one. He’s just a divinely inspired leader who defends Israel and brings peace to the world. There have been lots of moshiachs. Saul was for a while then it got taken away. when he screwed up. Trump certainly defended Israel and brought peace to the world. Biden and all the Dem governors during the lockdown were the ones who behaved like absolute monarchs. And one of the reasons it was so easy for Trump to reverse many of Obama’s changes is that Obama governed by executive order more than any other president in memory. Trump tried to do everything legislatively by the book. That’s why Biden is having a hard time reversing the Taylor Force Act and the recognition of Jerusalem. Biden is making noises about reversing Trump’s recognition of Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights which was an executive order and he delayed the implementation of Trump’s executive order to include Jewish and pro-Israel students under Title VI civil rights protections, which Trump tried to pass legislatively but the Dems opposed it.
French Jews regarded Napoleon Bonaparte as a Moshiach. And they made a prayer for him (I can’t find the original site of the French Jewish Napoleonic society but, hilariously, Marxists.org has it):
https://www.marxists.org/history/france/revolution/1808/prayer-napoleon.htm
@Seb you are not going to bill us for these jokes and hope to get paid?????
HaHa HaHa!
Peloni told a funnier joke and he was not even trying. “That if Trump does not run for President the whole world would be lost”
Now would you classify that as a joke or making Trump a type of Mosiach?
I have not quit figured that out. Do you think he was serious?
@Bear
Really? I never would have guessed. 😀
@Peloni I know you feel strongly on the subject! I obviously do not agree with you on this subject.
@Bear
Just for clarification, the guy who ‘created’ 2000 Mules is Dinesh D’Souza who is a movie producer. He never looked at the data, and while making the film for those who actually did the research and broke the story, he used the wrong graphics, which has been used to falsely question the data which is not actually questionable. The researchers who broke the story are True The Vote, led by Catherine Englebrect and Gregg Phillips. It is they who can testify about the what is and is not demonstrated in the data, not D’Souza. So credit where credit is due, D’Souza is not THE authority on this topic. Also, Bill Barr completely lied about the election investigation which actually did not take place.
Not to revisit this topic as you have no interest in it, but you raised these points and I felt obliged to share my own input, such as it is.
@Peloni in many ways you are correct, all the GOP do not see the last election as you do and Trump alleges it was. Haley certainly does not. Poll I saw say about 30% of the American public agrees with you. Not that numbers make one position or the other correct.
I do not wish to debate the subject as it not of interest to me. However just for summation purposes you and the most passionate Trump supporters believe the election in 2020 was stolen beyond a doubt. This is the 30% of the public I referenced previously.
Nikki Haley, Bill Barr and I believe that their were illegal election actions during the election but not to the level that could be proven adequately or material enough to overturn the election. Even the guy that created 2000 Mules said you could show a lot of illegal actions but not enough prove the election was stolen.
This does not mean anyone condones the malicious and political trials that the Democrats are using. Nor does this mean that any of us approves not allowing DJT to run for office again using the insurrection clause. This is pure bull shit as he has not even been charged let alone convicted but in Colorado and Maine they are trying to keep him off the ballot.
I still prefer Trump to any Dem but I strongly prefer Haley (who I believe would have the best chance of winning a general election) plus is the candidate who aligns the most closely on the issues important to me.
@Bear
If this happens, the whole world will be lost, and the first casualty of this would be Israel.
@Bear
No worries
Regarding
I don’t think you appreciate the fact, and it is a fact, that Trump is not running for the same party as is Desantis and Haley. By this, I mean that Desantis and Haley are not looking to reform the system which controls the power in the US, but to take over the control of that system. Trump is not looking to do this. His entire purpose in running was to rip out the corruption and anti-American bias buitl into that system and return America to her Greater past self.
The election theft of 2020 and 2022, however, shifted the focus from reforming the govt to regaining control of the govt and passing that control back to the people. In other words, Trump means to make the choice of govt dependent upon the consent of the governed, and neither Haley nor Desantis are so disposed to do so. So when you express your disdain for people who ardently attack Trump’s opponents, you should recognize that it is because their liberty is literally at stake. The party led by Haley will not be the party led by Trump, and the same for Desantis. As I said, they are running to lead two different parties.
Notably, Desantis refused to investigate the evidence of election fraud from 2020 in Florida, even as he signed legislation making it illegal for anyone not a member of his state govt to gather such evidence ever again. Of course, Haley is no different, having challenged that Biden actually won the election irregardless of the fraud which has been demonstrated as being quite significant.
Think of it as if the communists were running for the leadership of the party, because the disparity between the visions and possibilites of a successful victory is that stark. Which is only part of the reason why the MAGA movement will never support Haley or Desantis.
@Bear So you do not believe that the election of 2020 was rigged or that Jan 6 was a false flag incident? Because those are the two statements by Haley you just endorsed.
Deborah Lipstadt compared Trump to Goebbels in September 2020. ZOA opposed her Senate confirmation. And just this year, ZOA condemned her praising Biden’s “National Strategy to Combat Antisemitism” for leaving out Islamists.
Incidentally, I just looked up the notorious quote and Goebbels never said it. He said something like it about the British and Hitler said something like it about the Jews in Mein Kampf. This from a justly famous Holocaust historian who threw her reputation out the window to become just another Democrat propagandist who will stoop to anything, tell any lie. Throw any accusation they can think of against the wall to see what will stick.
She gave a pass to an unrepentant Democrat with an antisemitic history and only attacked a Republican who apologized for a remark. That was in the article that posted earlier by I forget who here.
She compared jan. 6 to Pearl Harbor and the Holocaust.
“Lipstadt again supported the use of Nazi images for political purposes:
‘But in the current era, Lipstadt said, the key to acceptable Holocaust comparisons is precision and nuance.”
Nuance like a mack truck.
“Calling for the cancellation of the Israeli-sponsored anti-Semitic cartoon contest, American historian Deborah Lipstadt announced yesterday she was withdrawing from the contest’s jury.
Lipstadt, who is currently in Rome, said she had made a mistake.”
No shit, Sherlock. That was in 2006!
It’s Holocaust Denial. She has been corrupted and discredited.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-on-the-quot-big-lie-quot
https://zoa.org/2021/08/10443592-deborah-lipstadt-should-be-voted-down-by-the-senate/
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/372075
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/320502
https://zoa.org/2021/12/10444496-jewish-press-has-deborah-lipstadt-undercut-both-herself-and-future-antisemitism-envoys/
https://www.haaretz.com/2006-02-23/ty-article/lipstadt-quits-holocaust-cartoon-contest/0000017f-e791-df5f-a17f-ffdf9efe0000
The lady should stick to history and stay out of politics. She’s a genius in the one, and strictly from Chelm in the other. She’s a figleaf for the Biden administration’s substantive antisemitism.
“Methinks the lady doth protest too much.”
On the other had, I’ll give her this, which she can say because it doesn’t conflict with anything the Biden administration is saying:
“Deborah Lipstadt, who rose to fame combating Holocaust denial, said Monday she was disturbed about how many people are denying that Hamas committed atrocities in its Oct. 7 terrorist attack in southern Israel.”
Not enough.
By contrast:
““If you empathize with radical Islamic terrorists and extremists, you’re disqualified,” he said. “If you want to abolish the state of Israel, you’re disqualified. If you support Hamas or any ideology that’s having to do with that or any of the other really sick thoughts that go through people’s minds — very dangerous thoughts — you’re disqualified.”
“The former president and GOP front-runner also said he would aggressively deport resident aliens with “jihadist sympathies” and send immigration agents to “pro-jihadist demonstrations” to identify violators.
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-iowa-caucus-2024-election-c8f0ff23b1a39fb4e2b7aee9da15f0ed
@Seb, I agree with both of the quoted comments by Haley. Well actually I wish Trump would just retire from politics.
I think what Haley was referring to that the Dems are using law-fare as a weapon to keep him from running in the election. Pox on the Dems.
Trump should step aside voluntarily but not be forced out by the Dems illegal tactics, in the view of all the GOP (or ~99%).
Anyway have an interesting call to prepare for plus close my books. So I will signing off for now. Have a good day Seb.
@Bear I see you didn’t read the article. Some choice tidbits, speaking of lying:
“Oct. 5, 2021: Haley told the Wall Street Journal, “There was fraud in the election, but I don’t think that the numbers were so big that it swayed the vote in the wrong direction.” She again said of Trump, “We need him in the Republican Party. I don’t want us to go back to the days before Trump.” ”
“Jan. 7, 2021: Haley said at the Republican National Committee’s winter meeting that Trump “ was badly wrong with his words yesterday. And it wasn’t just his words. His actions since Election Day will be judged harshly by history.”
@Seb, yes Haley is fighting back at some of the Trump slander and typical juvenile name calling DJT uses for his rivals.
She is not cowed by his junior high name calling and regular bull shit antics toward fellow GOP rivals.
Trump was too cowardly to debate! He knows Haley would have wiped the floor with him in a debate. Must admit it was a smart tactic by him as he knew he would clearly lose the debate so he chicken out!
@Bear Well, Haley certainly knows how to talk out of both sides of her mouth about Trump, never one to burn her bridges.
😀
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/timeline-nikki-haleys-trump-statements-rcna70456
Trump:
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-iowa-caucus-2024-election-c8f0ff23b1a39fb4e2b7aee9da15f0ed
@Seb, that is really bad also!!
comment in moderation
Deborah Lipstadt compared Trump to Goebbels in September 2020. ZOA opposed her Senate confirmation. And just this year, ZOA condemned her praising Biden’s “National Strategy to Combat Antisemitism” for leaving out Islamists.
Incidentally, I just looked up the notorious quote and Goebbels never said it. He said something like it about the British and Hitler said something like it about the Jews in Mein Kampf. This from a justly famous Holocaust historian who threw her reputation out the window to become just another Democrat propagandist who will stoop to anything, tell any lie. Throw any accusation they can think of against the wall to see what will stick.
She gave a pass to an unrepentant Democrat with an antisemitic history and only attacked a Republican who apologized for a remark. That was in the article that posted earlier by I forget who here.
She compared jan. 6 to Pearl Harbor and the Holocaust.
“Lipstadt again supported the use of Nazi images for political purposes:
‘But in the current era, Lipstadt said, the key to acceptable Holocaust comparisons is precision and nuance.”
Nuance like a mack truck.
“Calling for the cancellation of the Israeli-sponsored anti-Semitic cartoon contest, American historian Deborah Lipstadt announced yesterday she was withdrawing from the contest’s jury.
Lipstadt, who is currently in Rome, said she had made a mistake.”
No shit, Sherlock. That was in 2006!
It’s Holocaust Denial. She has been corrupted and discredited.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/joseph-goebbels-on-the-quot-big-lie-quot
https://zoa.org/2021/08/10443592-deborah-lipstadt-should-be-voted-down-by-the-senate/
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/372075
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/320502
https://zoa.org/2021/12/10444496-jewish-press-has-deborah-lipstadt-undercut-both-herself-and-future-antisemitism-envoys/
https://www.haaretz.com/2006-02-23/ty-article/lipstadt-quits-holocaust-cartoon-contest/0000017f-e791-df5f-a17f-ffdf9efe0000
The lady should stick to history and stay out of politics. She’s a genius in the one, and strictly from Chelm in the other. She’s a figleaf for the Biden administration’s substantive antisemitism.
“Methinks the lady doth protest too much.”
On the other had, I’ll give her this, which she can say because it doesn’t conflict with anything the Biden administration is saying:
“Deborah Lipstadt, who rose to fame combating Holocaust denial, said Monday she was disturbed about how many people are denying that Hamas committed atrocities in its Oct. 7 terrorist attack in southern Israel.”
Not enough.
By contrast:
““If you empathize with radical Islamic terrorists and extremists, you’re disqualified,” he said. “If you want to abolish the state of Israel, you’re disqualified. If you support Hamas or any ideology that’s having to do with that or any of the other really sick thoughts that go through people’s minds — very dangerous thoughts — you’re disqualified.”
“The former president and GOP front-runner also said he would aggressively deport resident aliens with “jihadist sympathies” and send immigration agents to “pro-jihadist demonstrations” to identify violators.
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-iowa-caucus-2024-election-c8f0ff23b1a39fb4e2b7aee9da15f0ed
@Bear You mean like when De Santis lied about Haley’s position on Gazan refugees, claiming she wanted to bring them to the U.S. when she had actually said pro-Hamas countries should take them in? Even CNN called him on it.
@Peloni, sorry to have labeled you. I wrote poorly as do not disdain you or actually those fiercely loyal to Trump (as I agree on many things with them).
What I actually disdain is when any other GOP member runs against Trump or disagrees with him, the vicious attacks against them that follow and the harm it does.
@Reader
The above quote contradicts the relevance of the following quote:
Also, regarding
This notion is not supportable by the facts. If this were true, Trump would have used his authority under standing Executive Orders preceding his presidency as well as those enacted by him to open the machines which would have exposed the fraud, and he rather than Biden would be controlling the White House today. Instead, he left office knowing that the election had been stolen. Not very impressive demonstration as far as lusting for power goes, IMO in any event.
Also, Lipstadt is as much a minion of the administration as is Blinken or any other Jewish toadies serving it. Her office does not limit her freedom, as she is not enslaved in that office and could and should quit if she can not express herself clearly and honestly. The fact that she does not express herself clearly and honestly defeats any input she actually might offer such as her politicizing her reputation with partisan comments such as she makes in support of her political masters, as I noted previously.
@ peloni
I posted about Deborah Lipstadt not in order to criticize her even though I do think that she should not have become a government employee which certainly limits her freedom of expression.
I posted it to show that on this forum we already have at least 3 opinions (2 of them from people who are not Jewish and who come from completely different backgrounds and one from a respected Holocaust historian) which basically state that in their opinion the US is now similar to the Weimar Republic of the early 1930s.
I personally feel that Trump is or can be dangerous because of his unlimited lust for power, his narcissism, his talent for promotion and demagoguery, and his rather childish personality (he can’t forget that Bibi hurt his feelings and that the American Jews didn’t vote for him en masse), and, forgive me, but he is not the brightest bulb in the box, either.
I also think that Americans tend to forget that presidents are not absolute monarchs and that even absolute monarchs are not gods with unlimited power.
There is a system of government that promotes certain policies and has a strategy and these can only change after some kind of an Earth-shaking event and not through the will of one person.
DeSantis’s past support for Obama’s global trade deal raises questions on policy
Some conservative.
He has since suggested that Trump supporters are “empty vessels”
And yet he decided to be in favor of the Ukraine war after he initially was against it. Donor input is important to consider.
Yet we can trust Desantis on Israel? Let us hope this view never gets tested.
@Bear
Another label by you. I am going to quote you and ask that you do not label me as you have done here. I don’t care what you believe about me, and in point of fact, your label is misapplied. As I noted a year ago and since that time, several times, Trump should have to win the support of the people in the primary, and indeed, it does appear that he has. Primaries are healthy and necessary instruments of democratic challenges, and whereas I am a MAGA proponent, and Trump is the only MAGA candidate, I was not an only Trumper. Trump had vulnerabilities which were never properly addressed because they were only addressed by establishment candidates such as Desantis, something which is unfortunate in my opinion.
The backers supporting Desnatis are in fact not exclusively or even largely the likes of the Adelsons or Moskowitzs, but even if they were, it would not change my opinion in the least. The reason Trump backed Israel was because he had the spirit, temperament and ABILITY (see below) to tell all the donors, all the politicians, and all the foreign dignitaries to go to hell when they objected to his support of Israel. He acted in the best interest of the US by acting in the best interest of the nation state of Israel, and he was able to do so because Trump’s greatest supporters were/are the American people.
Also, the pro-Isreal donors are either too outnumbered by the other donors or they are too impotent to affect pro-Israel policies from the US presidents. This did not begin with Obama, nor Bush, nor Clinton, but stems all the way back to when the US took an interest in supporting Israel and even further back when the embargo on Israel was maintained for twenty years. In 80yrs there has been NO other president who so significantly aided Israel in every way which might benefit her, nor any which even came close. Yet you will support Haley and Desantis, each of whom have waffled on policies to gain the support of their donors? Well, good luck with that.
Unlike the bought and paid for politicians like Desantis and Haley, Trump had the ABILITY to do what was in the best interest of the American people, and supporting Israel was and is very much the unwavering desired interest of the American people. Trusting “conservatives” and pro-Israel donors has failed the test over and over and over again. I would ague that trusting the support of the American people is a much better wager, and I think Trump has proved himself a valued ally, even as you question him in preference of those who have done so much less and who will have so little freedom to act upon whatever their true beliefs might be.
Trump has been a good and faithful ally as have his backers, the American people.
Again, these are not distortions and I am no devotee of anyone. Indeed, I don’t say any of this to support Trump, but because it is actually true, and if you disagree, instead of characterizing me with false labels, perhaps you will detail where I am in error in any of what I have said.
ELECTED TO CONGRESS in 2012 with significant support from Tea Party groups, DeSantis quickly established himself as a favorite of the pro-settlement right. In 2017 and 2018, he presided over Congressional hearings on recognizing Israeli control of the occupied Golan Heights (where over 20,000 settlers live) and on moving the US embassy to Jerusalem—both actions that the Trump administration eventually took. The hearings signaled that DeSantis was not simply a run-of-the-mill pro-Israel politician, but a supporter of the settlers’ goal to gain US support for Israel’s formal annexation of the occupied Palestinian territories. “He was that committed to doing the right thing for Israel,” said Mort Klein, head of the far-right Zionist Organization of America (ZOA), who DeSantis invited to testify at both hearings. The ZOA awarded DeSantis their Zionist Hero Award in December of last year.
Sorry for near duplicate comments as they were both help up for a while and I rewrote one.
@Reader
Thanks for sharing this. Deborah Lipstadt is as much of a shill for the Dems as is the ADL. A truly disappointing sellout to her political masters. All of her critiques and commentary should be seen as being leveraged thru the lens of political partisanship as should her sillence which accompanies any matter which places the White House in an unfavorable light.
@Peloni, you erred minimally or distorted who Ron DeSantis original financial backers are. They are in fact the Irving Moskowitz family and foundation. Huge backers of Israel. They even run a casino whose profits all go to Israel causes such as buying land in Jerusalem and Judea/Samaria. They first started backed DeSantis when he ran for Congress and still do.
The Horowitz family member I personal know told me years ago what a great Israel supporter DeSantis is and what good conservative he is. They had an eye on him becoming POTUS several years ago.
Miriam Adelson also has backed DeSantis for quite a while! Below is part of an article pointing this out. The Adelson’s are some of the biggest Israel and GOP backers that exist (if not the biggest financially speaking). Both the Moskowitz Family and Adelson families are some of richest backers of Israel and GOP.
Peloni I hope you are correct about Trump’s future support of Israel. I hope you are correct. I know I personally trust Haley and DeSantis more as they are both stable reliable conservative and people!
Your comments about DeSantis and Haley are flawed at the least. The trouble with Trump ONLY MAGA people is they will lie, distort, attack anything and anyone who is a rival of Trump! Sort of like Trump. This is not good for the GOP, conservatives and the USA. That is why when they write long winded things related to Trump I do not give it much attention or credibility.
@Peloni, I am going to take your false representation on in one point which I have very personal inside knowledge (meaning I know one the family on a very personal level). You say DeSantis is supported by Bush Cheney Supporters.
The original financial backers of DeSantis back to his Congressional Days are the Moscowitz’s (see Irving Moskowitz Foundation) whose Matriarch now resides in Florida. Later the Addelson’s. These are perhaps the biggest backers of Israel. In Hawaiian Gardens California, the Horowitz’s have a whole casino whose entire profits go to Israel causes. The one son takes $1 a year to run the casino. The family member I know has been told me about Ron DeSantis a while back and what a huge Israel supporter he personally is and a true conservative.
DeSantis and his original supporters are the biggest Israel supporters there are.
One little public note is the following:
I hope your faith in Trump is correct in him supporting Israel in the future but seeing will be believing.
What I disdain about the ONLY Trumper’s like yourself is that their is no length of distortions or all out lies they will tell to smear or destroy a rival of Trump like DeSantis or Haley, who are two very good conservatives. This is a huge negative of the MAGA movement and hurts the GOP and USA.
It is like Trump UBER ALLES (over everything) to quote the German phrase.
That is why you make your long winded points, it is really quite uninteresting to me because not are they difficult to understand many times but since the attitude of Trump UBER Alles is not credible. Trump is always right even in turning on friends and allies and he can do no wrong.
Don’t freak out but this is what Deborah Lipstadt said (“it might be January 15, 1933” plus other things):
https://zoa.org/2021/12/10444496-jewish-press-has-deborah-lipstadt-undercut-both-herself-and-future-antisemitism-envoys/
@ketzel2
Good points.
@Bear
In truth, I overlooked your actual question in making the point that Bibi acted out of line and Trump was justified in being angry at him for doing so. So forgive my error.
There is no chance that Trump will change his policy with Israel due to Bibi, and he has stated so. He also came out and TruthSocialed IStandWithBibi and IStandWithIsrael in recent months. His support of Israel is not Bibi-Centric and never was. It is Israel-Centric and supports the MAGA agenda of improving America’s position in the world. It also is not related to Kushner being in his govt, and personally, I hope Kushner is not in the next govt. Trump’s policies ended the leverage waged against Israel in support of the Arabs nations, and he was able to do this because of his Energy independence program, but he was motivated to do this because he sees Israel as being America’s true ally in the Middle East, something which Trump would not consider accurately stated about any other nation in the Middle East.
Trump also stated while in office that the US alliance was with Israel, not Bibi, and this was long before Bibi’s faux pas in congratulating Biden early on Nov 8.
You state that Haley and Desantis each clearly support Israel, but doubt Trump when in fact, Trump actually has a record of executive actions which specifically and majorly improved Israel’s position while Haley and Desantis each have campaign positions yet to be fulfilled while being bankrolled by Bush-Cheney donors who were notably far less pro-Israel than Trump, very far less pro-Israel actually. So while you seem to question the relevance of Trump’s track record in supporting Israel, I believe it is very much relevant, and far more meaningful than the promises of either Haley or Desantis.