Where does McCain stand on the peace process, today?

By Ted Belman

David Bedein writes

Israeli Reporter Challenges McCain To Polygraph Test

Jerusalem – This week, Senator John McCain took heat because of an interview that he granted two years ago to Amir Oren, a credible journalist from the Israeli newspaper HaAretz, on May 1, 2006, in which Mr. McCain declared that his administration “would send “the smartest guy I know” to the Middle East …. “Brent Scowcroft, or Jim Baker though I know that you in Israel don’t like Baker.”

Mr. McCain added “I would expect concessions and sacrifices by both sides.”

When Mr. Oren asked Mr. McCain if that meant a “movement toward the June 4, 1967 armistice lines, with minor modifications? McCain nodded in the affirmative.” CONTINUE

Apparently McCain is trying to distance himself from such remarks and even denying he said them in that way.

Many of us have moved to the right since that interview and McCain is entitled to also. Would he still back Baker, the person responsible for the Iraq Study Group’s recommendations, and would he still back the Saudi Plan?

February 8, 2008 | 21 Comments »

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  1. Soren: Did you vote for George W. Bush the first time? The second? If not was it because you weren’t old enough to vote? Did you believe everything he said then?

  2. Teshuvah, just because there still are such folks as Hegelians, doesn’t mean that any candidate for office is a Hegelian, much less Huckabee, who is not a Hegelian, not a globalist, not an isolationist, but something altogether outside that paradigm. I watched your videos from links 18 & 19 (thank you), so why not watch the one I linked to in #8 above, where Huckabee with no ambiguity at all makes this forcefully clear, then do the honorable thing and admit the false accusation. Here’s the YouTube video link again:

    Huckabee so not a globalist

    As for feedback on the links you shared, the crossroad links in #18 are for the most part fair and are posted as part of the ministry of Berit Kjos, someone whom I respect, particularly in her work regarding school curriculum, she is absolutely right about OBE (outcome based education), I saw it in the school system first hand. HOWEVER, the link you posted in #19, by an anti-government anarcho-capitalist, supporting the supposed folly of not voting is in my opinion completely foolish.

    You have a regard for scripture, and yes it does validate the notion of conspiracies from the time of Babel to the coming siege upon Jerusalem, so note the Bible does not support throwing up our hands to fatalism, but rather submission to the ways of the sovereign God, including to His principles about submission to governments and civic obligations to our neighbors and humanity. But our God who is in control and has a plan is also the God in control of the means He chooses to work out His plan, and He has chosen to use people. (On a side note, be careful with those anarcho-capitalists, you’ll run into the neo-nazi “ZOG”-haters there.)

    Back to Hegel, please note that there are many stripes of Hegelians and communism is not the only synthesis of Hegelian dialectics. Indeed, Islamic revivalism sees Islam as that synthesis. It is equally erroneous to see everything as a communist conspiracy as it is to see everything as an Islamic conspiracy, etc. Let’s be discerning and evaluate each person and situation individually and on facts not spurious rumors based on presuppositions.

  5. Thanks Teshuvah (#15), but the link didn’t work for me–anyway, there’s a reason my nic is “soren”! Soren Kierkegaard, my favorite thinker and author, who had some great parodies of Hegelian dialectics, heh, even the titles of Kierkegaard’s books poke fun at Hegel; SK, too, had a dialectical scheme, a better one! I also saw your message in #13, and though we disagree on the scriptures you cited, I applaud your appreciation of scripture and your concern for fellow man by sharing what you perceive to be true. Thank you again.

  6. Teshuvah,

    McCain suports the KLA Islamic-Fascist Jihadists in Kosovo.

    I have done a search on Israpundit’s archives and I have found that McCain vigorously supported the Islamo-Nazi KLA terrorist group by not only calling for the bombing of Serbia in 1999 in support of these Jihadist fascists, but actively pushing Bill Clinton to arm the KLA.

    This admission from an Albanian website:

    “(R) Senator John McCain who made his name nationally known by advocating the 1999 NATO Bombing of Serbia. Back in 1999, McCain even advocated the we send American troops into Kosova [Kosovo] on behalf of the KLA.

    “McCain has consistently been on the Albanian American Civic League’s payroll and even marched with them a year after the NATO intervention.

    “McCain receives 47% of his campaign donations from $2,300 or more contributors. McCain is a conservative Republican and aggressive interventionist.

    Disgraced Congressman Joe DioGaurdi’s Albanian American Civic League [AACL]is the Albanian Jihadist-Fascist KLA’s front-group in the United States.

    Here’s a photo of

    McCain at a pro-KLA rally with DioGaurdi

    Just who are the KLA?

    See here:

    The roots of Kosovo fascism

    And this from Israpundit’s archives:

    Obviously, [DioGaurdi’s AACL] displaying a map showing an Albanian nation encompassing a large chunk of Serbia, half of Macedonia, and parts of Montenegro and Greece was not advertising a commitment to “freedom and democracy” but something else altogether. However, the removal of the map did not change the content of the website, indicating that the leopard may have changed his spots, but not his nature…

    And this:

    Benjamin Works has exposed this Albanian bribery of Congressmen and Senators since the mid 1980’s on his brilliant US think tank SIRI-US (Strategic Issues Research Institute of the United States)

    Just type in DioGuardi KLA into the search facility on the SIRI-US website.

    http://www.siri-us.com/

    Here is a comment from Benjamin Works on Joe DioGuardi in 1998 (Works predicted that lobbying by the AACL on Capitol Hill would eventually lead to the Clinton-led NATO bombing of Serbia over Kosovo)

    “DioGuardi heads The Albanian-American Civic League and openly advocates carving a Greater Albania out of parts of Greece, Macedonia, all of Kosovo and part of Montenegro.
    “This just does not conform with OSCE law or any other international law.

    “Given the chaos within Albania, a responsible leader would focus on that, not on tricking the world into a general Balkan war. Oh; don’t forget that Bob Dole is in cahoots with DioGuardi; proof it is a bad policy.”

  8. It is distressing to see so many people deceived because a candidate says he is a Christian. Yeshua said, Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. Bush came in his own name and said he was a Christian and look what you got! Peggy Noonan said, “Bush destroyed the Republican Party, by which I mean he sundered it, broke its constituent pieces apart and set them against each other. He did this on spending, the size of government, war, the ability to prosecute war, immigration and other issues.” And he lied. Inspect the fruit of the tree!

    Alan Stang wrote: The Republican Party, Red From the Start

  9. Soren: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2Th 2:3.

    I am just a researcher and don’t have a pony in this race and obviously don’t vote there. Nevertheless the election is of interest to see which set of globalists the Power Elite will install to continue their plan towards New World Order totalitarianism which effects the whole world negatively. This too is of G-d. It is His judgment on a sinful nation and world.

    Yamit: The people are being conned…with consensus by the globalists who will only allow one of their own puppets to even run for election. They only empower corruptible men. Da 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men. Note that is “basest” not “best” of men.

    The masses would be controlled through the Hegelian dialectic (consensus) process [18] by globalist leaders who would view the world through the new filter of globalism. Polls, propaganda, simple slogans, and continual conflicts would be essential to its success. In fact, the greater the perceived crisis, the faster the leader can assume the coveted political powers that true freedom forbids. President Clinton has already mastered these totalitarian strategies, as Gorbachev suggested in a 1993 editorial:

    “Bill Clinton will be a great president if he can make America the creator of a new world order based on consensus.” Bush, Gorbachev, Shultz and Soviet Education

  10. Teshuvah, I’ve seen you didn’t address my 100% rebuttal of your Huckabee’s a globalist false accusation and instead raised a new objection–that he spoke to memebers of Kenneth Copeland’s church and accepted donations from them, though in a legal way. Well, Huckabee and Kenneth Copeland (who I do not support in general) are not “closely associated,” but they have some common interests, as does Huckabee and John Hagee (who I do not support in general) who is also controversial and at whose church Huckabee also spoke–and what they have in common is support for Israel! Both Hagee and Copeland are affiliated with CUFI (Christians United for Israel), which is an umbrella group of Christian Zionists that do not by any means share the same general theology, much less agree with the ethics of the various people associated with the group, but are like the name says, united for Israel. Candidates speak at all sorts of forums and no one assumes the candidates who show up agree with everything about the sponsors, but when Huckabee speaks to a church group it’s assumed he agrees with that pastor? Makes no sense. Like Giuliani’s endorsement by Pat Robertson meant Giuliani’s “closely associated” with Robertson? Ridiculous–they just shared a common issue, fighting terrorism. You can continue to throw your negatives at Huckabee, but this is the best you can do–guilt by very incidental association with someone who has issues totally unrelated to Huckabee, but with whom they share some commonalities re:politics–support for Israel. Huckabee’s the best to stand up under scrutiny, you clearly just don’t like him.

  11. It seems odd that a country as diverse and with so much human talent in so many fields, can’t come up with a few good qualified political leaders out of a population of 300 million ; is there no better choices than the ones being presented to us today, yesterday and most probably in the future? Unless these characters actually reflect what America is today. If This is the case ,the World is in deep shit!

  13. An Arkansas voter said, “Huckabee lies more than Bill Clinton!”

    Fresh story today: Huckabee’s Link To TV Preacher Questionedl GOP Hopeful Has Close Bond With Televangelist [Kenneth Copeland] Targeted By Senate Investigation

    NEW YORK (CBS News) ? Last fall, Mike Huckabee taped an appearance on Kenneth Copeland’s popular television show. The theme: “Integrity of Character.”

    “Treat people like you’d want to be treated,” Huckabee said.

    Now some are raising issue with Huckabee’s character, principally his judgment, CBS News chief investigative correspondent Armen Keteyian reports.

    They are focusing on his association with the televangelist, who has refused to cooperate with a Senate investigation into his ministry’s finances.

    At issue, as reported by CBS News last week: whether millions of dollars in tax-exempt church donations have been used to bankroll a lavish lifestyle and a slew of private, for-profit businesses.

    “Mr. Huckabee has terrible judgment because not only is he being closely associated with someone under this ethical cloud, but he’s refusing to distance himself,” said Melanie Sloan, executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics In Washington.

    When Huckabee appeared on Copeland’s show, the evangelist said “Gov. Huckabee is not here in any kind of political role.”

    After his appearance, like many guests, Huckabee stayed overnight at the ministry’s lavish 18,000 square foot lakefront home. …click above for the rest

    Senator Grassley is investigating Kenneth Copeland and asking for financial disclosures. Copeland is also associated with the Richard Roberts/Oral Roberts University scandal. More here.

  14. Teshuvah, you have Huckabee exactly backwards when it comes to the globalist accusations–the info’s out there, all sorts of videos where you can hear Huckabee in his own words decrying yielding any sovereignty, such as re: the Law of the Sea Treaty, which he’s decried publicly, or the US courts citing international law in deciding domestic cases, concerns about NAFTA, etc. That said, he’s not an isolationist, but has balance that is in the US interest. Huckabee, like I’ve said before, listens to all–he is a populist, and respectfully–but he beholden to none.

    Grrr, let me find a video for you…o.k., here one is, from YouTube: Huckabee (NOT a globalist!). Teshuvah, you’re getting real bad information. Try going to Huckabee’s official website, which includes issues statements, a blog, and one page called the Huckabee Truth Squad that exists specifically to rebut or clarify accusations, misrepresentations, etc.

  15. Ted, I am interested as to which part of those links shocked you? Lynn Stuter’s is a pretty basic summary of the current situation. I had just read the one about McCain and that was new to me though. It is all a dog and pony show to make voters think their votes count, when they don’t count. I suspect the globalists plan to install Hillary (and therefore Bill) as Pres with the Obamination as VP, and run McCain as Rep candidate and Huckabee as VP. All are members or have the kiss and blessing of the globalist satanic CFR. Therefore it is a done deal as far as they are concerned and the “election” is irrelevant. The only one exhibiting any morality and support for the Constitution is Ron Paul and I suspect the globalists have set him up by sending antisemitic and neo-Nazi supporters to blur the picture. From what I have read, he is not personally antisemitic.

  16. Chuck Baldwin ~ Huckabee is Bush on Steroids–a Man Globalists Can Trust:

    …Have you wondered why Mike Huckabee is suddenly getting so much favorable attention from the mainstream media (who themselves are controlled by this gaggle of global elite)? To find the answer as to why a professing pro-life, conservative Christian would suddenly become the darling of the media, look no further than the fact that just a couple of months ago, Mr. Huckabee appeared before the globalist-minded Council on Foreign Relations. (Read his speech here) And when he did, it became abundantly clear that Huckabee was a man globalists could trust.

    By the way, as you read Huckabee’s speech, you will find that he is George W. Bush on steroids! This is a man who intends to meddle in the affairs of nations around the world like you can’t believe. Talk about entangling alliances: Huckabee intends for our State, Energy, Housing, Education, Justice, Treasury, and Transportation departments to spend untold billions of tax dollars on just about anything and everything, including schools, medical facilities, roads, sewage treatment, water filtration, electricity, and legal and banking systems in countries all over the globe. And that is exactly the kind of man the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) wants in Washington.

    Make no mistake about it: the CFR has dominated every administration, Republican and Democrat, since World War II. They hold sway over most every critical Presidential appointment. Look carefully and one will discover that the Republican President George W. Bush has had as many CFR members in his administration as Democrat President Bill Clinton did in his. The last time I counted, President Bush had nearly 200 members of the CFR in his administration.

    Remember that the total number of CFR members is less than 5,000. Can one imagine what people would think if, say, the old Christian Coalition, which at one time numbered in the hundreds of thousands, had nearly 200 members in any one administration? Talk about conjectures of a conspiracy: the media would go ballistic. Yet, each and every administration, regardless of party, continues to fill their ranks with members of the CFR, and with those friendly with the CFR, and no one seems to notice. Do you now understand why nothing changes no matter which party wins the White House?

    Now consider the current presidential candidates who are also members of the CFR. These include Christopher Dodd, Bill Richardson, John McCain, and Fred Thompson. Hillary is not a member of the CFR, but her husband, Bill, is. Plus, she has a plethora of advisors who are CFR members. And even though Mike Huckabee is not on this list (neither is George W. Bush), it is obvious that he will carry water for them in much the same way as the current President has done. Barack Obama has spoken at least once for the CFR. John Edwards has appeared before the CFR several times. Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney both wrote for the CFR and have numerous advisors who are CFR members, as do Edwards and Obama.

    This also explains why independent-minded candidates such as Ron Paul are forever cast in terms such as “fringe,” or “extremist,” or “nutty.” The same CFR elite that controls the Washington political establishment also controls the New York media and financial establishments. And they hate outsiders! Of course, outsiders are those who do not share the globalist, utopian, New World Order machinations of the CFR. …(click above for the rest)


    Chuck Baldwin ~ More Reasons To Beware Of Mike Huckabee

    …Let’s say it plainly: Mike Huckabee is just another big-government, establishment politician who will do nothing to stem the tide of socialism or fascism (pick your poison) emanating from Washington, D.C., these days.

    Huckabee’s Elite Backers:

    The much-touted “Huckabee Surge” in November-December opinion polls has been attributed by the major media pundits to the former Arkansas governor’s performances in the televised GOP candidate debates and the recent discovery of him by Evangelical Christian voters. However, more skeptical observers might be inclined to note that Mike Huckabee’s sudden jump in the polls was assisted by a quantum jump in media publicity, and that Huckabee, the supposed “outsider,” has been given the stamp of approval by the ultimate political “insider” organization: the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

    In a December 16 interview, CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asked the candidate who his foreign-policy advisers are. “Well, I have a number of people from whom I get policy,” Mr. Huckabee responded, mentioning by name Frank Gafney, Richard Haass, and John R. Bolton. Two of the three, Haass and Bolton, are members of the CFR. In fact, as Wolf Blitzer pointed out to the CNN audience, Richard Haass is president of the CFR.

    Huckabee’s anointing by the CFR was evident before the CNN interview, however. The council clued in its members that Huckabee was an acceptable candidate with a November 9 Washington Post op-ed by CFR Senior Fellow Michael J. Gerson entitled “The Huckabee Difference.” In the article, Gerson complimented Huckabee’s “compassion,” as exemplified by his record of government programs for the poor while he was governor. Gerson is the author of Heroic Conservatism, published by the CFR, which attempts to redefine political conservatism into a philosophical view that promotes government as the solution to poverty, rather than the traditional conservative view that individual charity, private charitable organizations, churches, and the free market are better fitted for assisting and uplifting those in need. Before joining the CFR staff in 2006, Gerson had been a chief policy adviser and speechwriter for President George W. Bush.

    Huckabee penned an article for the January-February 2008 issue of the council’s journal, Foreign Affairs, entitled “America’s Priorities in the War on Terror.” In doing so, he has trod the same path as his fellow presidential aspirants from both parties who have sought to display their CFR imprimatur with recent essays in Foreign Affairs: Hillary Clinton, Mitt Romney, Bill Richardson, Rudy Giuliani, Barak Obama, John Edwards, and John McCain.

    A google search for the three words CFR member Huckabee will get you many more.

  18. McCain is CFR (Huckabee is not.) McCain went along with the trust-Bush/AIPAC Roadmap folly despite such obvious ridiculous peril to national security that would cause, as is evident by looking on a simple map. Huckabee only supports a 2-state solution if the Palestinian state is not carved out of Israel, but located elsewhere, such as in part of the enormous geographical area now under Arab League control. McCain has promised a key role to his good friend and Annapolis monitor Gen. James Jones. Huckabee has shown he can’t be bought, can’t be bound to lobby groups, yet he is not against hearing what anyone has to say, including members of the CFR and AIPAC, it’s just that he uses his own judgment. McCain offers the same-old-same-old approach–Arab League states are also our friends, it’s just the Al-Qaeda’s and fringe that are the threat, whereas Huckabee sees the underlying ideology as the threat, both within and without the US. Neither seem to be Islamic experts by any means, but I trust Huckabee’s judgment in hiring Islamic experts, whereas I suspect McCain would stick with the standard State Dept and Defense Dept gotta-be-a-Muslim-to-understand-Islam approach of hiring those sympathetic with outreach to the very type of Muslims that are responsible for spreading the dangerous ideology–Muslim Brotherhood front groups, Hashem Islam types, etc. I would still vote for McCain over Hillary/Obama, but Huckabee’s my first choice and I’m sticking to it–anyway, Huckabee will debate better against Hillary/Obama and has already proven ability to beat the Clinton machine in Arkansas.

  20. “A long-standing member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), John McCain will pursue the goals and ambitions of the globalists with a vengeance.”

    Look at what the CFR stands for – what their goals are: the destruction of national sovereignty and Global government at the expense of the independence of sovereign nation-states.

    In order to be a “long standing member of the CFR” one has to agree with and follow what they stand for.

    McCain is CFR Globalism all the way. Period.

    He would be a disaster for the sovereign Republic of the United States and like any other Globalist CFR member, a disaster for the sovereign nation-state of Israel.