When the world demonizes Israel

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1. “Text from his neighbor
   I am so sorry Bob. I’ve been riddled with guilt and I have to confess. I have been tapping your wife, day and night when you’re not around. In fact, more than you. I do not get any at home, but that’s no excuse. I can no longer live with the guilt and I hope you will accept my sincerest apology with my promise that it won’t happen again.

   The man, anguished and betrayed, went into his bedroom, grabbed his gun, and without a word, shot his wife and killed her.

   A few moments later, a second text came in: Damn autocorrect! I meant “wifi”, not “wife”

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2. @SENASTIEN “SUGAR”-

   Michael’s crap, I mean his usual last ditch personal attack on me. binds me even more firmly to your statements. I know that you were speaking of Christians as a persecuting religious bunch of lunatics, and not taking aim at our pet crazy, personally.

   I would think that he knew it too, but it perhaps makes him feel more like that mythical “Servant of De Lawd” that he likes to cuddle up to., carrying his burdens on his (Michael’s ) own shoulders. he may get a vicarious “relief” from it. At least enough to rattle “”dem bones” he used to fantasize about. The “bones have gone but the fantasizing is “still with us”.

   Well, like all good Jews we can stand it.

3. @MICHAEL-

   Your attack on me personally makes you sound like a disgusting little creep. You may not be a little creep as I don’t know your physical size, but the rest sounds accurate. (to 6 places of decimals)

   How does my wife come into it. Straighten your mind.

   I was not picking on you personally and your name came into it only because you made a statement I considered wrong. You very often are wrong, because you chose to take personally what is meant to be a general wide reaching comment. There is not a single item I’ve mentioned that you can refute with a straight face.

   I’ve said before that my opinion was that you are not Anti-Semitic. I have never changed this opinion.

   I know that you have had a very spotty past as concerns religion, and your mind became rather “mixed up” in your “search”…although, of course , you NEVER INHALED. I have met other religious nut-cases, so I don’t mind your bringing it down to a personal level. If it makes you happy…go ahead. BUT it makes you far less competent to discuss the issue in a less than subjective manner.

   I wan’t getting involved in a discussion on the subject, just giving my thoughts and supplying some supporting facts than can be and have been well verified.

   You pit fantasy against truth and fact. I suppose you have nothing more concrete to bolster your own lack of ratiocination. Makes one wonder how you ever got a science degree, which requires concentrated intelligence, capable of being applied.

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4. @Michael Indeed. Though some sections of Christianity are playing a cheer-leading role for the Muslim persecution of Israeli Jews, in particular. In Chile, for example,

   Which has a large mostly Christian Palestinian Arab community that demonizes Israel and is part of the base of the new pro-BDS president.

   https://jewishcurrents.org/what-a-bds-supporting-president-means-for-chiles-jewish-and-palestinian-diasporas

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   “Palestinian immigration to Chile began in the late 19th century, with waves coming during World War I and after the creation of Israel in 1948. 95 percent of the community in the country are Christian.”

   https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/chile-s-new-president-is-pro-palestinian-52848

5. @Michael Indeed. Though some sections of Christianity are playing a cheer-leading role for the Muslim persecution of Israeli Jews, in particular. In Chile, for example,

   Which has a large mostly Christian Palestinian Arab community that demonizes Israel and is part of the base of the new pro-BDS president.

   https://jewishcurrents.org/what-a-bds-supporting-president-means-for-chiles-jewish-and-palestinian-diasporas

   —
   “Palestinian immigration to Chile began in the late 19th century, with waves coming during World War I and after the creation of Israel in 1948. 95 percent of the community in the country are Christian.”

   https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/chile-s-new-president-is-pro-palestinian-52848

6. Hi, again, Sebastien. You said,

   as far as Jews have been concerned, up until the Shoah, at least, Muslims and Christians have been taking turns over the last 1500 years, or so.

   I am a Christian. Since I am not antagonistic to Jews, you must reckon it’s the Muslims’ “turn”. It’s an interesting worldview.

7. Hi, Sebastien. You said,

   ““I am singled out” (quoting me, to which you added, “Not as an individual”

   If you mean, that I haven’t been doxed yet, this may be true for the moment; but my Christian brethren have been singled out for persecution across the world, starting in the prison in DC. You spoke of the “trope” that is antisemitism, wherein Jews are stereotyped as wealthy moneylenders, etc. The index words for Christians are “MAGA”, “insurrectionists”, “election deniers”, “anti-vaxers”, etc. As Ben Franklin said, “We shall all hang together, or we shall certainly all hang separately”.

8. @Michael

   “Edgar, you are obviously blaming Christianity and Christians (including me, of course) for all the world’s ills.”

   as far as Jews have been concerned, up until the Shoah, at least, Muslims and Christians have been taking turns over the last 1500 years, or so.

9. @Michael

   “I am singled out

   Not as an individual based on looking like a Christian, an experience I am painfully familiar with as a secular assimilated Jew.

10. Edgar, you are obviously blaming Christianity and Christians (including me, of course) for all the world’s ills.

    You seem to be a devotee of critical race theory. I obviously do not agree with you and your evil, bigoted ways. Did you learn these things from your wife?

11. MICHAEL-

    How did it come to you to use the word “profitable” when discussing Anti- Semitism (Jew Hate)…. Just a casual query-there are many other terms that mean the same thing.

    Sebastien’s long highlight, seems to cover everything I posted,-at least the tenor of it. If I’d read it before I posted I would not not have..

12. @MICHAEL- @SEBASYIEN-

    You are both (Michael is WRONG_Sebastien is nearly right)

    Anti-Semitism comes in MANY forms, often even the perpetrator is not aware of it.

    The origin is of course, ….”The Jews Killed Christ,,,, The Jews Killed our god.”

    {I myself, in Ireland, in the middle 1950s found myself discussing Anti-Semitism with a Guy, a close friend (as I thought) one night in my car as I dropped him home.
    He delivered a stunn(ng blow “You )meaning ME personally) killed G-D,you killed Christ). I said “I wasn’t even there”, he said” it goes down “from generation to generation” , and then pulled out a little book issued by the priests, a Cathechism, “It’s all in here”.. I said that The Torah texts havebeen manipulated and mistranslated”, it’s just NOT TRUE.
    Then he said that he’d never read the Bible,that the priests don’t allow them to read it, because “we wouldn’t understand it” , so they condenses it all into that little book which teaches them their Ritual, etc.

    The guy was well educated, about 22-3, and ,as I thought, “s good guy”.

    Of course this was IRELAND where Priests RULED./

    It has spread out, and caused everything Jew did to be reviled, even things which bettered others. Some,(a few of) the reasons are, “the Jews want to run the world” (may be caused by the “Tikkun Olom” nonsense). “The Jews are crazy for money” (perhaps resulting in the fact that many Jews were pawnbrokers and moneylenders, without the goyim examining how or why) A steadfast obstinacy to being “converted” ..helps it along. I think the “Devil” comes into it here.
    The Iquisition in Spain and Portugal, Before this the slaughter and exile of Jews from England ( I believe one of the main causes was the enormous sums of money owed by spendthrift nobles and the KING to Jews who HAD to “lend” (give), them funds.

    Shakespere’s Shylock, helped it along. Dickens’ Fagin ran with the ball,

    Anti-Semitism, in MY opinion is not necessarily ‘Jew Hate” a la Muslims or verbrente Christians, is is often expressed in a “distaste”, a “negative attitude”, and the “genteel Anti-Semitism” of the Western World before WW2 . In almost every book written then a Jew usually was an unsavoury, or evil character-at least in part. Curly, greasy hair was a Jewish attribute, a large or hooked nose was “Hebraic”, a lisp was “Semitic”,. and so on. “Black, beady eyes” were endemic.

    The dislike, distaste and negative attitudes of such famous and well liked political figures such as General Grant, FDR, Truman, and Eisenhower, perpetuated it.

    A large component, originally was, that Goyim misunderstood and misused the term “G-D’s Chosen People”, without asking for what they were Chosen, not understanding the term ‘Bachur”, nor the times of the period, nor the context.

    Goyisher jealousy therefore had a large part to play. AND, the successes of Jewish People even with ALL the weight of such disabilities, was worse than a burr under a horse’s saddle.

    AND-not least not most, Jews were always a minority, and often factually helpless in the face of prejudice. Even today, 2022, a crime against a Jew, obvious to all as a Jew-Hate crime, is regarded by the authorities as just a crime, and only very belatedly, as a Jew-Hate crime.

    I often think of the Otto Frank Atlanta case. There was a similar case in Ukraine, or southern Russia around the same time (the name escapes ). But it used toi give me nightmares as a child)

    Just recalled Mendel Beilis. And we have the Dreyfus case, Will always have the Dreyfus case.

    I’m only picking at scraps of a monstrous and continuing crime against a small People, STILL ONGOING.

    Israel has helped a lot, not to diminish Anti-Semitism, but to “square up” some Jewish shoulders.

    And it didn’t end even after the horrors of the Holocaust were revealed to the World.And is increasing again even today.

13. The article by Rafael Castro is very perceptive but I fear the israeli elite, including the IDF, are too westernized to understand the normal street mentality of most of the 3rd world.

    Similarly, and though Jewish, the israeli elite are too removed from the example and influence of Biblical heroes like Joshua, Caleb, Pinchas,Yoav,Gideon,Yiftach, or later heroes like the Maccabees and Bar Kochba. All of these heroes would have wiped out Hamas and Hezbolla in all-out war years ago!

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14. Hi, Sebastien.

    I think we are now driving on a profitable road. I am a white, Christian American; and as such, I am singled out by perhaps millions of people as the cause of all that is wrong in the world (and that, by Jews as well as non-Jews). In spite of this, I do not identify with the role that others have slated for me: I am a human being, responsible for what I personally say and do.

    Elizabeth Frawley Bagley seems to be a good example of both “Antisemitism” and flat-out hatred, so I’m studying the things she said, to see if I can ferret that out:

    Sen. Ben Cardin, who is Jewish, said that the answers Bagley gave about the Jewish community caused him concern. He offered her an opportunity to respond.

    “The choice of words fit into the traditional tropes of anti-Semitism. And I know your background, I know who you are, and it is just language that we would think that as a diplomat – you had then been ambassador to Portugal – that your language would have been more guarded than that,” Cardin said….

    Bagley’s response was typical “Cover-my-assism”:

    “I’m very sorry about that choice of words and none of them reflect any of my thinking then or now,” she said.

    In plain English, she has thus admitted to being an inveterate liar. Rep. Lee Zelden clarified what Bagley’s “trope” was:

    “Slamming ‘Jewish money’ in politics is one of the oldest, most dishonest and blatantly antisemitic tools of far-left activists and politicians, such as Ilhan Omar, to shame and undermine US support for Israel. Ms. Bagley’s dismissive and flagrantly antisemitic and anti-Israel comments should disqualify her from pushing papers at the State Department, much less being the face of a US diplomatic mission,” Zeldin said in a news release.

    None of the above, of course, clearly exposes Bagley as a “hater” of any group. Are all liars haters? Are all haters liars? Answering that is beyond my grasp.

    I had to look up what, exactly, a “trope” is. My take on it, is that a trope is a reference to a back story. The reference, in this case, is the words “Jewish money”, and the back story is a generalization about Jews, taken from history and literature. A similar trope, concerning black people, would be referenced by the label “Uncle Tom”. The trigger for white American males, of course, is “racist oppressor”.

    Thank you, Sebastien, for your insight into a world of thought — a world which I frankly prefer to steer clear of. God bless and keep you.

15. @Michael Senate blocks Biden’s Brazil ambassador nominee due to antisemitic remarks
    Elizabeth Frawley Bagley’s 1998 interview surfaces, in which she said that money was the reason American lawmakers support Israel and that the idea of moving the US embassy to Jerusalem was “stupid.”

    By Dmitriy Shapiro/JNS Published on 06-29-2022 17:19 Last modified: 06-30-2022 06:50

    https://www.israelhayom.com/2022/06/29/senate-blocks-bidens-brazil-ambassador-nominee-due-to-antisemitic-remarks/

16. Sebastiaen, you write many words, but no names. Please name some of the people you are talking about, and we will deal with them, one by one. We are not lines in your diatribe. We are people. We have names.

17. @Michael

    Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

    To guide IHRA in its work, the following examples may serve as illustrations:

    Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.

    Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:

    Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
    Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
    Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
    Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
    Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
    Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
    Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
    Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
    Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
    Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
    Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
    Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries).

    Criminal acts are antisemitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property – such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries – are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews.

    Antisemitic discrimination is the denial to Jews of opportunities or services available to others and is illegal in many countries.

    https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definitions-charters/working-definition-antisemitism

18. @Michael Antisemites are people who hate Jews.

19. Sebastien, I honestly have no idea whom you are talking about. Please name some names, and we can deal with them, one by one.

20. @Michael WRONG Antisemites are not generic haters. They don’t hate everybody.

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21. Antisemites don’t hate us for what we do but for who we are.

    WRONG. Haters hate because of who THEY are. The object is no object.

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22. Antisemites don’t hate us for what we do but for who we are.

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