By Ted Belman
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is a man both ends of the Israeli political spectrum love to hate, but for different reasons. The Israeli left hates him because they can’t unseat him and because he is, in their minds an obstacle to peace. They don’t believe that he wants the two state solution. The Israeli right hates him because he makes all kinds of rightwing promises but fails to deliver. They believe him when he says he wants a two-state solution which they reject. But the fact of the matter is that Netanyahu’s views on the peace process are supported by mainstream Israelis.
Americans see him as a right-winger, which doesn’t endear him to the left including Jewish Americans. They see him as an obstacle to peace, a proponent of the hated settlements and the occupation and an opponent of their beloved President.
My take away from Netanyahu’s conduct in the last two governments which he headed and from his remarks in the US to the Center for American Progress (CAP) and the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) is as follows:
- He really is committed to the Bar Ilan speech delivered in 2009, i.e., two states for two peoples with Palestine demilitarized and Israel in security control for the foreseeable future.
- He is ready willing and able to meet with Abbas to negotiate a peace agreement, and has been all along, but Abbas refuses.
- The refusal by the Arabs to live in peace with the Jews or the Jewish state has been demonstrated prior to 1967 going back fifty years. During this period of time there were no settlements and no “occupation.” Accordingly, the settlement construction and the occupation are not the cause of the failure to achieve peace as the left alleges. The left chooses to ignore that the Arab leaders don’t attribute their resistance to these things but to the existence of Israel.
- If the Arabs would agree to accept the Jewish state and agree to live in peace with it, the settlements would not be an insurmountable problem nor would the border demarcation. Netanyahu suggested in his conversation with CAP that Israel might cede 95% of the land.
- He also said that he knows of no way to divide Jerusalem and accordingly it must remain in Israel’s hands.
- Israel, by constructing apartments in the settlements is not gobbling up Palestinian land as alleged. The facts are that the settlements sit on 0.3% of the land and no new settlements have been authorized in the last 20 years. Netanyahu has built fewer units per year than each of the last five prime ministers built. All these units are within the established settlements and accommodate natural growth of the population.
- The lands are disputed lands, not Palestinian lands, yet the international community doesn’t complain when the Palestinians build many thousands of units. They only complain when Israel wants to build hundreds of units.
- The Levy Report holds that there is no occupation according to the Fourth Geneva Convention and that the settlements are in fact legal. Netanyahu believes that such legalities are irrelevant and mentioning them is counter-productive. He does not want to base his case on legalities but on his willingness to negotiate a deal. Rather than appear as a proponent of greater Israel by stressing her legal rights to the land, he would rather keep the focus on the refusal by Abbas to negotiate.
- Rather than seeking a “land grab” he is content to wait for the Palestinians to come around to accepting the Jewish state of Israel and Israel’s security role west of the Jordan River. He really doesn’t want a single state nor a bi-national state as he always proclaims. He is hopeful that Arab countries such as Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia may decide to tell Abbas to accept some kind of formula that would satisfy Israel. After all they need a strong Israel now rather than a weakened Israel.
- President Obama has publicly accepted that negotiations are out of the question now. So both he and Netanyahu are jointly negotiating what will replace negotiations. Obama wants Israel to only build in the settlement blocs and to cede much of Area C, over which Israel has full control pursuant to the Oslo Accords, to the Palestinians. He also wants Israel to stimulate economic growth for the Palestinians. This is what is referred to as Plan B.
- So in effect, Plan B is being negotiated by Israel and the US whereas Plan A, the peace process, was intended to be negotiated by Israel and the PA.
Whether the US and Israel can come to an agreement on Plan B remains to be seen. But beyond that, the US and Israel are attempting to come to an agreement on how to enforce the Iran Deal and how to stop Iran’s aggression throughout the Middle East. And then there is the problem with Russia.
Who’s got time for the peace process?
ADDENDUM
In my article, I attempted to limit my self to what Bibi wants from what he says. I did not interpret what he does and does not do to factor that in to what I say he wants.
While many of you have factored his actions in to to understand what he wants, the fact remains that while he has yielding to Obama with his freeze and words, he has not given anything that can’t be reversed. Perhaps because there was no partner to give them to. That’s another discussion and so is the harm that he has caused with his words, freeze and policies.
Bottom line is he wants to maintain the status quo until a negotiated settlement can be achieved. He has given up on trying to keep much of the land let alone all of it. He has also given up on the IDF having a permanent presence in Palestine should it be created and has argued for a presence of limited duration only i.e. 10 to 20 years.
He curries favour with the EU and the US by arguing he wants what they want, if only Abbas would agree. What he doesn’t do is defy them by building, or by demolishing illegal Arab structures or preventing the EU from encroaching on C.
He also doesn’t want to hurt the Pals economically by charging them for electricity or by withholding taxes collected or by cutting off supplies to Gaza. He is even facilitating reconstruction in Gaza. Quite the contrary he wants to strengthen their economy. With that Bennett agrees.
His actions regarding blaming Jews for Duma were despicable. He didn’t have the evidence and ignored evidence that it was an Arab crime. What happenned to innocent until proven guilty. His condemnation of Jewish settlers was a blood libel, nothing less.
Even though Arab incitement isn’t condonned by the EU or the US, it is ignored though, he fails utterly to squelch it. That would require bold action which he is not disposed to do, even though he would be merely enforcing the terms of Oslo. For that matter he is not enforcing anything in Oslo.
His actions regarding this wave of terror are simply to restore calm just as he did in fighting Hamas in 2014. The idea of changing the status quo whether in J&S or Gaza, is rejected time and again.
I don’t have unbridled condemnation of his choices. Many people would agree with him. A case can be made in support of them. But they don’t satisfy the right who want to win, to keep all the land or to defeat Hamas and so on.
@ bernard ross:
Rabin, Peres, Sharon, Barak and Netanyahu, (helped by Lapid the elder and the livni), have performed wanton persecution of targeted Jews. The livni tried, with Ya’alon on tow, to identify graffiti spraying kids, if any, as terrorists.
Shelob tried even worse during “disengagement”. She proposed to create “re education camps” for Gush Katif people and those defending them.
And while at it. Shelob was Netanyahu’s first choice around and he would love to “unite” with that one again.
I have documented personal experience with that element exposing how far the scum can go.
@ bernard ross:
DUMA…
A perfectly organized hit by professionals. As days go by and the patina cover using the purported “arson” to assault Jewish villages people fades, it is plain and clear that no kids doing “tag mechir” could have done that.
The GSS and police have means to find anyone who is a qualified suspect. They so far did not find anyone. Did they look in the correct locations?…. No.
Instead the ghastly trash performed illegal detentions of innocent Jews. held w/o trial.
Duma was a pro hit.
Lets reduce all to a basic set of facts.
Under no circumstances our children may any longer “serve” and risk their lives, (as I have done in war and my children do to this day), to maintain a Netanyahu pretend leadership which is causing great loss of Heritage, deaths, maimed, frozen living if at all, destruction of homes and now again destruction of Synagogues. Netanyahu fabricated and never ending justifications for his ghastly leadership means squat for those manning the trenches. He has achieved zero, zilch.
Nothing on Iran’s plans. Nothing on defeating the core of Hamas and of Hezbollah.
He has done well protecting the old families playgrounds.
NOT on his or his shilling cumpas cooked minds, that trash will be accepted. And if the “majority” likes to be used in the classic way… let them enjoy while it lasts… and that will be not for long I say.
I do not want to see sons and daughters of our people getting killed in action or inaction.
I concur generically with TB; undoubtedly, BB will have more options after Cruz is inaugurated on 1/20/2017.
In my article, I attempted to limit my self to what Bibi wants from what he says. I did not interpret what he does and does not do to factor that in to what I say he wants.
While many of you have factored his actions in to to understand what he wants, the fact remains that while he has yielding to Obama with his freeze and words, he has not given anything that can’t be reversed. Perhaps because there was no partner to give them to. That’s another discussion and so is the harm that he has caused with his words, freeze and policies.
Bottom line is he wants to maintain the status quo until a negotiated settlement can be achieved. He has given up on trying to keep much of the land let alone all of it. He has also given up on the IDF having a permanent presence in Palestine should it be created and has argued for a presence of limited duration only i.e. 10 to 20 years.
He curries favour with the EU and the US by arguing he wants what they want, if only Abbas would agree. What he doesn’t do is defy them by building, or by demolishing illegal Arab structures or preventing the EU from encroaching on C.
He also doesn’t want to hurt the Pals economically by charging them for electricity or by withholding taxes collected or by cutting off supplies to Gaza. He is even facilitating reconstruction in Gaza. Quite the contrary he wants to strengthen their economy. With that Bennett agrees.
His actions regarding blaming Jews for Duma were despicable. He didn’t have the evidence and ignored evidence that it was an Arab crime. What happenned to innocent until proven guilty. His condemnation of Jewish settlers was a blood libel, nothing less.
Even though Arab incitement isn’t condonned by the EU or the US, it is ignored though, he fails utterly to squelch it. That would require bold action which he is not disposed to do, even though he would be merely enforcing the terms of Oslo. For that matter he is not enforcing anything in Oslo.
His actions regarding this wave of terror are simply to restore calm just as he did in fighting Hamas in 2014. The idea of changing the status quo whether in J&S or Gaza, is rejected time and again.
I don’t have unbridled condemnation of his choices. Many people would agree with him. A case can be made in support of them. But they don’t satisfy the right who want to win, to keep all the land or to defeat Hamas and so on.
I replied generically to attacks on BB; “pick your poison.”
rsklaroff Said:
what does this comment mean and to whom is it addressed?
yourself
rsklaroff Said:
which claim? to be clear you should use the “highlight and quote” button to cite the specfic claim or phrase.
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
This is the perspective I critiqued, aggregated with subsequent comments.
@ rsklaroff:
you do not address your comments… you can use the “reply to this comment button” so that we can be sure as to whom you address.
Here is my problem:
You said BB is deficient in myriad ways [“Honesty, credibility, trustworthiness, humility, identification with the Jewish Heritage”] at least one of which [“identification with the Jewish Heritage”] is easily disputed [noting, for example, his ability to invoke his father and his just having invoked the Hitler-Mufti link]; thus, your patter is punctured.
You also said that his handling of alleged Jewish terrorism should differ from how Islamists behave when the identical crime is committed; this is also problematic rather than air-tight.
Thus, my conclusion stands.
rsklaroff Said:
I mentioned lots of facts and you dealt with none, just coming back with the same generic answer, you dealt specifically with none, dismissing everything with an excuse for the behavior but being unable to deny the facts themselves. It is the sum of all the actions, which is consistent, that merits the right conclusion.
your critique was predictable, but my observation stands; i’m aware of how import can be infused but, even if so, this doesn’t serve [as an isolated event] as sufficient justification for your claim
IMO BB’s MO at Duma was to defame the settlement enterprise, otherwise I would have to consider him to be a very inexperienced,naive and incompetent leader, which I do not beleive.
rsklaroff Said:
so in order to treat this non existent jewish terror act equally with pal terror lets incite a mob to murder settlers??????
did he incite a mob to murder arabs when jews are attacked and stabbed repeatedly???
he uttered the lie and libel of the euros and pallywood that the jews are equal terrorists to the muslims.
rsklaroff Said:
something like treating pal terror and jew terror equally, echoing the defamers mantras? And now you echo them also because you have a need to defend the indefensible.
rsklaroff Said:
see how you justify their crime?
His job was not to prejudge and blame jews with no evidence or assume jews did it based on arabs saying so. He and his cronies partook in a lynch mob demonstrating no competent leadership but perhaps much worse. He has been around long enough to know that his accusations would inflame lynch mobs to kill innocent Jews. His behavior was despicable and the cause of burned, stabbed and murdered jews. The four of them should be indicted for incitement and murder.
BB was predicating behavior on treating “terrorism” equally, regardless of perpetrators; this certainly can’t be conflated with a global rejection of JS.
rsklaroff Said:
duh???? as soon as he found out there was an arab vendetta arson in duma his solution was to enact a new law to incarcerate jews without evidence, and along with yaalon, rivlin and erdan make lots of defamation speeches about jewish extremists… while he was busy manhunting phantom Jews, all the evidence shown on Duma security cameras was wiped clean by the local arabs.
This irresponsible behavior is the direct cause of dead, burned and stabbed jews in revenge for the crime that the 4 lynchmobbers pointed out was done by Jewish settlers.
so why would a PM stir up a lynch mob against Jews before evidence was obtained, wouldnt any normal person advise citizens to caution until the investigation was over and the evidence in?
you keep grasping at every straw excuse.
Quick BB, better incarcerate some Jewish extremists for this incitement OR invite Abbas and Haniyeh relatives for special treatment at Israeli hospitals.
Has Dr. Landau ever had to deal politically with anyone like BHO?
My paradigm is, simply, that we need to hold our breaths until BHO is gone.
Otherwise, I see him embodying Jewish heritage and don’t understand why he would want to diss anyone, particularly those in JS.
If he is able to cut a deal with the Arabs and the pals he will get the Nobel peace prize and the world will consider him one of its greatest heroes for solving the worlds most pressing global problem, even if it lasts a year.
there is a problem if the scenario is correct and this is in the works. All that I have read shows the timeline at years but such a scenario would take that prize out of BB’s hands. If he has understandings with the arabs and the pals the temptation will be there to speed things up, for everyone wanting a piece of the prize…. lets see.
SHmuel HaLevi 2 Said:
my suspicion about sharon is that he cut a deal with foreign intelligence services and the left to keep him, his family out of jail and scandal in return for the withdrawal. that is the usual explanation for high up politicians doing odd things. the same in the US where all those GOP did not challenge Obama credentials.
big money is not interested in supporting the clean folks who cannot be manipulated, the ideal is to start out with a corrupt politician… or “team player”.
rsklaroff Said:
not at all, there are many things BB has done and not done which pressure would not have affected..e.g. stating that Jews living in YS is legal and legitimate, even while negotiating to give it away for a faux peace deal. The fact that he could not even utter the words is because it would conflict with his agenda to defame settlers. the same with the Mount, he allowed unrequired abuse of jews by muslims. No need for levy except to get votes from the right knowing it would never be implemented… same with E1, he probably told obama it was necessary to maintain his sway with the right wing after releasing terrorists or freezing settlement, probably told obama not to worry as he will never implement, maybe even asked obama to dis him to make him look good to his right wing voters and appear like he was doing something… like obama did with Sisi so sisi could win his election. No rocket science here.. politicians know that voters have short memories and short attention spans and soon forget which shell the peanut was under. Your excuses for BB dont wash, too much that was uneccessary for someone just pretending, which is what your assessment relies on, that BB is always just pretending.
@ rsklaroff:
Honesty, credibility, trustworthiness, humility, identification with the Jewish Heritage.
Otherwise el Netanyahu is just like Dr. Landau.
End of thread.
What differentiates Dr. Landau?
@ bernard ross:
I am former and veteran member of the likud Central Committee. Resigned several years back. Have met in person with Sharon and family, Hanegbi, livni, Mofaz, the late Mr.Ezra, Dr. Landau, Netanyahu and the rest.
Dr. Landau remain the only worthy person in that group.
My comments here in this Blog are based on many years of personal contacts with the element. Some of them attended one of our daughter’s wedding.
Sharon was Netanyahu’s lead. All of my comments about Netanyahu are precise and clear.
Bear Klein Said:
LOL, I just read it, and it confirms that BB promised to give them everything plus swaps and only since its revelation is he saying differently.
If what you say is true, then why would I not expect to see new jewish settlement in YS… LOL, the facts yesterday and today still show that he pursues a policy to give the PA almost all if not more than the land. the only difference is he is saying now that he changed his mind becuase he has been caught red handed…… what was different then that he made covert promises to give the Jewish land to the enemy?
Looks like the Messiah has arrived in the form of king BB who feels he can conduct any covert giveaways as he sees fit.
Bear Klein Said:
it is only a status quo for jews and settlers.. pals and euros build in area c… much of your post does not deal with the facts of his non performance and instead tries to portray those facts as being a stall, a deception, not the real BB…. but if you look mmore carefully at the details you will see where there was no apparent reason for his behavior… e.g. that he never says that Jews living in YS are legal and legitimate and ALL his behavior says otherwise…. same with the Mount.
All postulates are derivative of what we don’t know of how BHO is pressuring BB; had I been able to vote, I’d always been supportive of BB.
rsklaroff Said:
you did not mention the other facts I cited from ted, please answer to those……
and what about the following?
what about E1, Levy, bennett appt, shaked obstruction, never defending settlers, never defending jews on the mount,the defamation of settlers with arson without evidence thereby inciting revenge burnnigs and stabbings, what about treating hamas and fatah in israeli hospitals,what about the eu illegal building, the muslim magpie jew abusing women…. on and on and on
you are hoping that he is doing and not doing all these anti right wing behaviors as a stall a false front… but that only comes from your hopes and not from any facts.
were you one of the folks who was switched votes from bennett to BB with his fraudulent panic narrative?
Ted, Is right on some things like the left blame Bibi for not giving away more things they believe hinders the two state solution they desire. They also do not believe him when he says he is for a two state solution (even with all the qualifiers). This is one of the few points I actually agree with the left. Bibi was threatened by Obama earlier in his first term with complete abandonment diplomatically unless he agreed, hence the Bar Ilan speech. The Palestinians have since the 1930s rejected offers they would consider more generous. Olmert offered to Internationalize Jerusalem (Old City) and split Jerusalem between the Jewish and Arab neighborhoods plus offered anywhere from 92 to 95% of Judah/Samaria plus land swaps. Abbas said he turned this offer down because it was not enough. Olmert was not even insisting on Abbas recognizing a Jewish State and would have let some Palestinians immigrate into Israel.
So does anyone think Abbas was now going to agree to Bibi’s offer of required recognition of a Jewish State, demilitarized state and permanent Israeli control of all borders and the Jordan Valley, magnetic sphere and the air space, a Jewish Jerusalem undivided and Israeli security in Judah & Samaria and no Palestinian right of return and end of all claims.
Yet in-spite of this we periodically hear from some in the right that Bibi is caving in to Obama and all his demands of a Palestinian State. This is always based on some type of Bibi bashing or pulled out of thin air and it has not occurred for the last seven years even though we periodically keep on reading this.
As wrote early I would prefer that a new leader appear and lead Israel to victory over the Palestinians for once and all destroying the terrorists and thinning out the ranks of the non-loyal Arabs. I do not think managing the status quo is enough and will just allow huge problems to reappear but blaming Bibi for imagined treachery and surrender is not helpful.
Ted,
Have you ever met Netanyahu personally (I don’t just mean see him speak where you were in the audience) and had a chance to talk to him?
I believe and not all substantiated. This would not even happen in a peace agreement that he and everyone else knows will not happen! In fact Bibi has specifically said Israel could never pull out of the Jordan Valley (take a look at a Map of Judah & Samaria and one will see this takes up quite a large chunk of it. The actual places where Jewish homes are take very little land but defending these locations and the roads takes quite a bit more. The settlement blocks take quite a bit more. The whole speculation of what Bibi would cede is an exercise that has no merit as no deal is occurring.
The operative word [“might”] constitutes the fatal-flaw in this [and many other] argument/s; BB is handling multiple forces effectively.
The claim that Rabin would have made peace at any cost is TAQIYYA. That is why the the US, the EU and the IL leftists keep repeating this lie. Item 8 gives Israel the moral high ground. So its is not very smart not to confirm what is legally yours. So what was the goal of BHO in bullying Israel in some kind of submission to Abbas and or Hamas? Assuming that all your other points are correct.
rsklaroff Said:
is this fine?
perhaps agreement has moved on further… Jordan is making lists of jihadi groups in cooperation with russia; nato will likely be introduced into the IS “battle” in cooperation with russia. there is more talk of agreement nearing… the GCC must be satisfied in order to call off their jihadis. Israel needs the syrian golan to remain outside the hands of syrian soverignty in order to render the syrian claim on the Israeli golan moot.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2015/Nov-15/323091-russia-says-jordan-to-coordinate-syria-list-of-terrorist-groups.ashx?utm_medium=email&utm_source=transactional&utm_campaign=Newsletter
All these commentaries corroborate the prior observations; BB is doing just fine!
yes, another smoke and mirrors drama whereby BB regularly witholds taxes when pals make threats and ultimatley the taxes released on time. but here is my speculation on that: these actions give abbas an appearance in rhetoric, ICC, UN as being the resistance fighter in order to maintain his hold on his constituency. In the end he accomplishes nothing except window dressing and faux states that did nothing. the GOI and shin bet say he has been cooperating in spite of his rhetoric. I am speculating that the rhetoric is mandatory to stay in control and in power while he, like BB, does the opposite.
Other than the taxes BB does nothing more against the stabbing terrors than treating them as individual crimes, note that he treated all the terrorist leaders in Israeli hospitals which will render his latest red crescent complaints BS also.
I also notice that in all the arrests, etc it is hamas elements. My suspicion is that since POD the “understandings” have even come to leash hamas but that the blowups are financed and instigated by Iran through their prior connections in YS and gaza. However, all continue their rhetoric in order to maintain their resistance credentials and hold on power, just as BB is doing with the right wing.
see, in spite or rockets etc from gaza the imports into gaza have increased with qatar continuing to negotiate with Israel for gaza development while hamas families are treated in Israeli hospitals…. duh????
right now it appears that the cooperations are working but Iran is muddying the waters, but no one can admit to the cooperation.
but Ted, it appears that BB has already done this, has been on this track…. no new settlements and willing to give up 95% of the land… So, if there is no daylight between what BB has done and is doing, with Obama, then what has all the drama been about.
Here’s an idea: in order for BB to maintain his “right wing credentials and voting constituency while at the same time doing everything to sabotage and obstruct that agenda, making no right wing advances….. he must appear to be right wing in rhetoric and appearance…. what is a better appearance than to be arguing with Obama, appearing to be the hero taking on goliath while in fact doing everything goliath wants.
I will go a step further with my speculation… the euros have been preparing Israel since 2004 and again in 2012 for this miniscule lableing amounting to 50 million which has probably already been replaced with other buyers and other eu imports. Notice that there was never any counter plan other than rhetoric, nothing ever done about their illegal building… my speculation is that this is another smoke and mirrors scheme already agreed in order for the euros to satisfy their squeaking wheel constituency without really harming their relationship factually. BB’s conduct more readily satisfies this model rather than one where he is incompetent and negligent in his “struggles” with the EU. This drama also reinforces BB persona image of being right wing, but there is no action to support its reality.
6- now that the elections are over, and he got Benett supporters to vote for him in his fraudulent panic,he has no problem reinventing himself as the leftist who did not build. Now he boasts about what would have cost him votes from his hoodwinked constituency which has morphed out of existence.
7- Sorry Ted, he does not conduct himself as if the lands are disputed and not palestinian. In fact he conducts himself the opposite.
He avoids mentioning Jewish rights to settle there, ….
he gives new land in C to the pals but no new settlements to the Jews….
He allows the euros to build illegally in C……
Levy was an political ploy that was never implemented…
E1 was a political ploy which was never implemented…..
He seized the Duma arson opportunity to defame settlers without evidence in order to create a negative image of settlers to the bulk of Israel…….
the collusion of the pres and the DM on the highly irresponsibl,e unevidenced, defamation of settlers, causing the revenge burnings and stabbings, demonstrates that they are willing to do anything to facilitate the planned agenda…………
everything BB has done wrt YS shows that he has already before any fake negotiations given up 95% of YS.
8- the fact that he never mentions the legality and historical jewish rights of settlement shows that he does not dispute the pal claims… and why????? Because as you rightly claim, he wants to make a deal… and what kind of deal????? a deal whereby he has already conceded 95% of the “disputed lands” before “negotiations”. Wow, this fantastic negotiator is a success from the very beginning, which is a good reason to let him continue to make his incredible achievements and giveaways. but why does he want to make this deal you may rightly ask????
here is why:
LOL, this is amusing… I have been speaking of these understandings affecting everything BB has done since POD war and the start of the fake arab spring. What is termed here as if it is some recent hopefulness has in fact formed the basis of all the drama. He has expectations, not hope, based upon his “understandings” and their performance in leashing hamas under egypt and qatar, assembling jihadis for war against the shias but not against Israel, drawing out hezbullah and weakening them, getting Iran to extend their forces, removing the golan border from syrian control and sovereignty, getting abbas to enter the 9 mos talk so as to be able to raise jihadis for syria, etc etc as I have been writing the last couple of years and which later was affirmed by BB and Liberman. Even Hersog has jumped on this bandwagon of a NATO org with the gulf arabs. this is the best explanation and model for all of BB’s non right wing MO over the last few years…. he wants to be Nixon who went to china. But all must beware, the GCC can change course on a dime and are highly unreliable.
1- what is the difference between BB and Labor on #1? Has anyone noticed that Shaked mentioned the “confederation of the PA with Jordan in the recent interview? I spoke of that plan 3 years ago as being the final deal mooted from 1980 AFTER they became a state and that the faux state may be a way to reach to the confed. I also mentioned that a confed would allow the pals security arrangements to be under Jordan Israel treaty which would bypass a separate treaty with the PA.. thus allowing the leadership to avoid criticism on concessions. the other part of the plan was a 5 to 10m year evolution. During that time the outlying settlements would be given the option to remain under pals or leave voluntarily(likely with remuneration) thus allowing BB to claim that he did not repeat the forceful evictions of gaza.
2- this is the key as if it is true then other than jerusalem and a couple of percent it is all agreed, just haggling over 5%. If BB has already negotiated away the 95% then it would explain his not building and allowing the euros to build for the pals. Both leaderships may be in agreement but putting on a performance over years to bring the street of both sides to acceptance. this would also explain BB’s nuetering of the right so as to decrease opposition to the plan as time unfolds. It would explain the defamation and delegitimization of settlers to get the bulk of Israelis agianst them. This would also explain why he never mentions jewish rights in YS and has moved all focus and discussion away from YS except to show Israelis that it is a pain in their behinds. The whole rivlin, yaalon, BB MO at the fake Duma arson exposes their agenda. There is probably already a regional deal and all the drama is just a way to occupy the street and move them to new realities.
5- I am sure he knows of ways to divide it but the population is not fully ready. Note that he has never defended abused Jews at the MOunt just like he has never defended settlers and took the first opportunity to lynch them along with his DM and pres. But even Ted felt that the east Jerusalem no go zone could be given to arabs. its probably the MOunt which is the issue and all BB’s behavior shows that he intends to keep jordan/pal sovereignty over the top and leave the jews with the stone wall with regular meteor showers from the muslims above.
To “
” all stone-throwers [after one parental warning if age less than 16] is desirable, specifically, with family-reunification left up to the discretion of his/her parents.
Moderation is in effective Dove.
Bibi knows the Palestinians will not agree to a Jewish State, demilitarized state and permanent Israeli control of all borders, magnetic sphere and the air space, a Jewish Jerusalem undivided and Israeli security in Judah & Samaria and no Palestinian right of return.
This he views this as reasonable and acceptable if they truly want a state more than they want to destroy Israel. He has agreed to this under Obama and EU pressure to agree to Palestinian State. He knows full well they will not agree to this. So Ted, is right this more or less a position accepted by many Israelis, which amounts to sort of a middle Israel.
The right wants no discussion of a TSS under any terms as this will never work. The left still hopes for a TSS even though many are starting to believe this maybe hopeless and unrealistic but they think Bibi help create this reality.
There are no easy solutions to this conflict. It will not end in compromise and it will continue until one side decimates the other.
I prefer to be the victor and Israel has the power to win this conflict as the clearly stronger side. This is not a politically correct solution (so what). Israel will need a strong leader (Prime Minister) to implement the following:
1. Israel needs a mass operation to destroying by killing, jailing and deporting all terrorists and their supporters (Hamas, PLO, Islamic Jihad………….).
2. Peaceful Arabs who do not want or can not clearly demonstrate loyalty to the Jewish State of Israel will be assisted in emigrating. This program will be run by an NGO with the governments support. It will start in East Jerusalem and Arab Villages in Area C. Later it can be expanded to Area A&B. This will take a long time and be complex with many hurdles.
3. Arabs and other minorities who are loyal to the Jewish nation state of Israel and can demonstrate it will be welcome with full civil rights.
This is a lucid presentation, explaining why I avidly support my fellow-graduate from Cheltenham High School [he in ’67, me in ’69]…both of us pictured in the Yearbook photo of the Chess Club.
Israel cannot force the Arabs to make peace. Any changes on the Arab side may take generations or centuries.
Israel is in no great hurry to reach a deal.
The outcome of the conflict will depend on what side has the greater staying power.
In short, the Arabs will sue for peace only when they realize they cannot overcome Israel. As long as they see it as realistic, its not in their interest to come to terms with Israel.
Even Netanyahu knows the so-called TSS in reality is dead and no deal is going to be achieved with the Arabs during his remaining time in office.
His focus is to keep all his options open while portraying the Arab side as the side blocking an agreement.
And he does not feel compelled to make a move as long as the other side remains wedded to the notion the Jews will sooner or later disappear from the land.
Indeed those are political attributes to… remain in power.
I venture to say that instead of having an ice cream, bourbon and cigars fin maneuvering at all expenses to remain sitting up there we need leaders that will solve the problems with the Islamic internal and external enemies, social problems, BUILD for Jews and oyal citizens, defend Jewish Heritage rights not play with the “situations” to enjoy the limelight.
Soldiers and the people in general must not be USED to perpetuate a caste to remain in power.
Netanyahu is not decisive in our behalf, not ever.
He allowed Iran to reach its goal. Called any way you want it, that is the bottom line.
Illegal infiltrators remain in Israel causing serious social damage.
The local Islamic population has become more and more aggressive.
Hezbollah was not defeated, nor was Hamas.