Justice. What justice?

By Ted Belman

I attended a lecture tonight by a Lutheran Bishop who is also a Palestinian. He was a participant in an ecumenical group of Christians, Muslims and Jews. He was all for peace and justice.

The first half of his talk was about justice and how it should underpin peace. But when he go to the appropriate solution, he took his mask off and pushed the Palestinian narrative. He was also for ’67 borders and a two state solution and justice for the Palestinians. He said that Res 242 and Res 338 both demanded full withdrawal and a two state solution.

When I got a chance to ask him a question, I asked what does he mean by justice and expanded, justice for one isn’t justice for the other. I also said justice must be based on facts and law. The moderator prevented me from making it a hardball question as he wanted to give the Bishop latitude to say what he wanted. I wanted to challenge his understanding of these resolutions.

In Reply the Bishop agreed with my remarks about justice and went on to argue that justice in this case means the application of Res 242 and Res 338. I was fine with that and wanted to correct his understanding of these resolutions but I was shut down.

When the session ended I approached him and in a nice way tried to tell me what the Resolutions meant and wouldn’t accept that he was wrong.

So ended my foray into the Kumbaya folks.

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  1. @ yamit82:
    “These 18 to 24 year old Americans are voting and shaping the future of this once great nation. . .”

    The 26th Amendment to the US Constitution guaranteed voting rights to any citizen 18 years of age or older, certainly a very tender age for many. At 18 most young people have no experience with the rigors of life–the challenges of supporting oneself or one’s family within the framework and limitations of modern economics. As a matter of fact, Obamacare has mandated that all young people up to age 26 be placed on their parents’ health insurance. In view of these considerations it seems unwise to grant full voting rights to this age group–it dilutes the votes of the “makers” and expands the vote of the dependent cohort of the population.

  2. Justice. What justice?

    Bit off topic but I couldn’t resist.

    One in four Americans unaware that Earth circles Sun
    Recently a telephone survey of 1,000 Americans conducted by the McCormick Tribune Freedom Museum, a museum dedicated to the First Amendment, found that more Americans could name more members of Simpsons than First Amendment rights. Is that scary or what?

    In the McCormick Tribune survey only one in four Americans could name more than one of their rights.

    National Geographic has another scary statistic: of 500 young Americans between the ages of 18 and 24, six percent of them could not find the USA on a world map. Three quarters of those same 18-24 year olds believe English is the most common language on the planet. English is third on the list behind Chinese Mandarin and Spanish.

    The National Geographic poll was conducted three years after the Iraq war and only 37 percent of those same 18-24 year olds could find Iraq on a map of the Middle East while only one in four could find Israel on the same map. There is an old joke that war was invented to teach Americans geography, but that no longer seems to be true.

    Six percent could not remember the date of Independence Day.

    In the same group, two-thirds of the respondents estimated the population of the US as between 750million and 2billion (actual figure: 317 million).

    Only 58% of Americans could describe the Taliban, compared with 75% of Britons.

    In 2003, a US Strategic Task Force of Education Abroad report concluded that Americans’ ignorance of the outside world was so great as to constitute a threat to national security. – I think in 2014 the level of knowledge and awareness is even less.

    Very unnerving to think many young Americans couldn’t pass a basic citizenship test, but they can name all of the Simpsons and know who bedded down which Kardashian or what Miley Cyrus is up to.

    These 18 to 24 year old Americans are voting and shaping the future of this once great nation and they have no idea what their basic rights are and have no concept of who our enemies are.

    American democracy is doomed.

  3. I attended a lecture tonight by a Lutheran Bishop who is also a Palestinian. He was a participant in an ecumenical group of Christians, Muslims and Jews. He was all for peace and justice.

    Who was the official sponsor of the lecture and where was the venue of the lecture?

    You should attend such lectures with a group of like minded friends each knowledgeable on the subject and each able to ask pointed questions and if needed rebuttals.

  4. “So ended my foray into the Kumbaya folks.”

    The Kumbaya folks will smile and feed you to the lions in a civilized and peaceful way but the agenda is the same. When you confront their agenda you confront their very being. Supercessionists have an investment in the failure of Jews in Israel. How does it look then your narrative states that the Jews are replaced as chosen while at the same time it is the real Jews, rather than the christian “replacement Jews” under whom the land blossoms which was barren for 2000 years. How can their narrative jive with that fact? Hence, if Jews fail in Israel then their narrative will gain new life. This is why so many churches fund BDS; they want the Jews to fail in israel.