After Sidney Powell said Trump should just be reinstated if the forensic audits prove the election was stolen – and Trump said they should “return the diamonds” – Jenna Ellis, a Trump attorney, said not so fast.
Jenna is way oversimplifying. The truth is that the Constitution is very vague about how to handle fraud. It’s not cut and dry even if the electoral college has voted. In fact, the process they used on January 6th was likely unconstitutional. We need the Supreme Court to weigh in. Remember, Jenna Ellis was once a Never Trumper who thought Trump should never be in office. So I always take what she says with a grain of salt. Democrats plotted for 4 years to remove Trump from office due to so-called Russia Collusion – even pushing for a new election.
LIN WOOD: “I disagree with Jenna. I note as a matter of Constitutional law, impeachment is the removal process for a duly and lawfully elected President of the United States. In my opinion, Joey “Bribes” Biden does not qualify for impeachment! I do note that there was an effort made to impeach President Trump after January 20.”
Here’s a rational statement about what might happen if they prove the election was stolen.
What Might Happen if Election Fraud is Proven?
Some believe fraud has already been proven. Evidence of election fraud has been presented in public hearings and by experts on social media over the last 6 months. But evidence heard in the court of public opinion and evidence presented to a legislative body (or court) are different animals. The former is not actionable; the latter is.
Elections are administered at the state level. If actionable evidence of fraud were presented to a state legislative body, they could vote to decertify their Biden electors. If the evidence were presented to a judge, they could rule that electors must be decertified.
This process becomes mired in conflict because many state legislatures have abdicated their constitutional authority by allowing the executive branch to certify their electors. If a request were made by the legislature to a Governor to decertify electors, it would likely be denied. A court could be asked to resolve the dispute. If the court declined to hear the case, in theory, a constitutional crisis would exist. But this may only be theoretical, since the constitution gives exclusive authority to the legislature to choose electors. If a legislative body has given that authority to the executive branch, they can reclaim it.
If three states decertified their Biden electors and certified Trump electors, the outcome of the 2020 election would be changed, at least on paper. That would not lead to the automatic removal of Biden from the White House, since there is no constitutional provision for reversing the outcome of a presidential election.
There is however, legal precedent supporting the overturning of election results. Judges frequently order new elections when fraud is found and sometimes the second-place finisher is given the office. It seems likely that at least one county or state will be ordered by a judge to hold a new election due to the finding of fraud. I don’t know how widespread such rulings might be.
Fraud cases are likely to reach the Supreme Court, but it impossible to predict if they will hear a fraud case or how they would rule.
The Department of Justice and the courts are the last line of defense against tyranny, in the civilian theater. If they fail, they leave the future of the Republic in peril. American citizens are hesitant to think that their president could be removed from office by force. There is no constitutional provision for the overthrow of a president, but it happens all the time in other parts of the world. (Often, the U.S. military and its intelligence agencies are the ones who do it.) I’m not advocating the overthrow of the Biden administration. I’m merely point out that military coups are not an infrequent occurrence. If state legislatures, the courts, and the Department of Justice fail to resolve election disputes, the military may take it upon itself to fix the problem.
@ linda goudsmit:
Actually, Linda, there have been several cases to be heard among mostly lower courts that have resulted in significant findings – Anterim Co. & Fulton Co. Cases come to mind. Each of these cases have revealed judicial commentary documenting the fraud. Antrim has been dismissed, but that will help to fast-track the case to serve the Supreme Court for a ruling on possible remedies. Sooner or later the fraud will be heard by this group of rogues and the will have to make a ruling on this obvious fraud. I believe they will find the fraud for what it is. The remedy is the real question they will need to speak to. Or at least these are my thought on your point.
The 2020 election was stolen – the unthinkable happened. The dirty Democrats, the collaborators, and their globalist financiers got away with it. So far, the corrupt courts have refused to hear any cases regarding the 2020 election fraud. It is highly unlikely the corrupt courts, including the Supreme Court, will hear any cases of election fraud exposed by the ongoing audits. Yis’gadal v yis’gadal . . .
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But if it doesn’t, as it is reasonably possible that it won’t, what do we do then? 2022? Really? That is pretty disparate meal for a crowd that has been well fed on the pregnant expectations of the return of their rights and sovereignty to acquiesce to. It will be a difficult moment for all, if this Huckster’s shell game with no prize comes to be the future of our world.
For, the empty prize of exposing the fraud will likely propagate into some very difficult accommodations which, if not accepted, are likely to leave the grounds exposed to opportunistic and despotic moves of the power-grabs that Obamas Third Term has been waiting. This is how I have come to see things playing out, but it is just me thinking out loud and considering some very dark possibilities – it seems this is the trend for me today.
I really had no intent of sharing my concerns of this point til I saw Jenna’s tweet, as many people are very carried away with the prospect that the good fairy may sprinkle the rogue John Roberts with pixie dust and change him into good Sir Thomas More (the English Chancellor under Henry VIII known for his adherence to the law).
But, Jenna has spoken of this and Trump alluded to it. Anyone wishing for a return from the Twelfth of Never to the 3rd of November should consider where these undesired routes may lead and how we should approach them. This unfortunate possibility as a poor choice to the question of “What do we have behind Door #3 Johnny?” as it were, should be a greater concern to us all than what if we win because we will have little input into such unfortunate outcomes past how we approach them.
Recall this was the case on Jan. 6. How many innocent lives are now being twisted to suit the powershifts of the state? How many people still remain imprisoned for their part in a political rally schemed by opportunists as a planned rebellion?
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Jenna was and is an unwavering, stalwart advocate of Trump and dedicated towards the exposure of the election fraud. So start with this in mind. And, whereas Jenna’s frank statement was likely more blunt than needed, her willingness to discuss the limit to possible resolutions of the election fraud is what everyone seems to be ignoring.
Though many will take care to avoid her statement as absolute truth, it is a very serious reality that will likely need to be confronted. Trump himself has asked on OAN interview, “if the election was stolen, what do you do? Leave the guy behind the fraud in power? How does that work?” [this is a rough estimate of his statement, not word for word, but it is close enough to his meaning]. Trump’s rhetorical question here exposed his full knowledge of the reality of Jenna’s statement.
The Left carried out the theft, the Right folded rather than contest the theft and the Courts sanctioned the theft by mooting it out to the Twelfth of Never. So, can we win in the courts and in the state legislatures? Yeah, probably, since we should have been able to do so in Dec. when few of the finer points were detailed but enough, I should state with reasoned certainty, could be detected in this over-roasted stink of a fraudulent pie.
And in that time a legitimate mechanism could be quoted and followed without much creative maneuverings. But now? Well the clock is past midnight and Cinderella doesn’t have a coach, a dress or a clue how to turn back time, because you can’t. So to square this circle, many extremely sensitive steps that will be unprecedented in nature will be needed to slide the square peg back in place and have Trump returned to power.
And who will we look to to sanction or block such unprecedented moves as we speak of here? That is right, the same courts, the same judges, the same Senators, the same Representatives who placed us at this Twelfth of Never predicament we find ourselves in today. And in these many months, the nutty Conservatives have been pigging out on large helpings of mysterious scenarios of military retributions and overturning elections and recounting votes with the very high expectation that Trump will be placed back in office. I hope it happens.
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