“What about a McCain-Lieberman ticket?”

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1. This is a most serious issue. I start to explain my position with a quote from a Jewish man, Jared Israel, of Emperors New Clothes

   Significance of Lieberman’s ‘Arm-the-KLA’ Resolution

   As Madeline Albright’s remarks indicate, the KLA did not need the “Kosova Self-Defense Act” to get U.S. weapons, because “the international community” was already making sure the KLA got enough weapons to “operate.”

   Rather, the Act had two purposes. First, to get the US Senate to endorse a crime of war – the training of a terrorist group – and second to provide a focus for publicity aimed at winning the public to perceive the KLA fascists as representatives of an oppressed nation deserving popular support.

   Lieberman referred to the KLA as “Kosovan military forces” at a time (April 9, 1999) when the KLA was largely isolated, even among secessionist-minded Albanians. And note, the phrase “Kosovan military forces” suggests there is some legitimate nation called “Kosova,” though no such place has ever existed except perhaps as a Nazi puppet state during World War II. (3) Indeed, the word “Kosova” has no meaning in either the Serbo-Croatian or Albanian languages. (5)

   And so this Lieberman, who makes a public spectacle of his religious beliefs, who pontificates from a place higher than Morality, this Lieberman fronts for the KLA who are the self-proclaimed heirs to the Balli Kombëtar, the World War II Albanian fascists (3). This Lieberman, who flaunts his Jewishness as if it were a theme park, to the disgust of many Jews, including the writers of this article, this Lieberman fronts for the descendents of the very people who murdered nearly every Jew in Kosovo.

   Some Jews did survive the KLA’s Nazi ancestors. Here’s how: the Kosovo Albanian fascists dutifully rounded up Jews and shipped them off to Nazi death camps. But one of the trains took a wrong turn, got stuck, and was discovered by the invading Soviet Red Army. They were freed. Some left Kosovo. Others rebuilt their shattered lives.

   But please note: since being put in power by NATO and the UN, Senator Lieberman’s beloved KLA has driven from Kosovo those Jews who managed not to be killed by the Balli Kombëtar during W.W. II, driven them out along with their descendents. That is, his KLA has completed the job of producing a judenfrei ‘KosovA.’

   http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/garris/duringthe.htm

   JOE LIEBERMAN – APOLOGIST FOR THE FASCIST KLA
   by Jared Israel and Eric Garris (Written 20 August 2000, not posted until 23 May 2001)

   Got that! Judenfrei. This is the same Lieberman that is mentioned above.

   I turn now to a man called Joel S. Fishman who is writing about antisemitism. It is an excellent article within its limits and covers Nazi antisemitism and the related Palestinian Arab and Soviet Stalinist antisemitism. Fishman is silent on Leon Trotsky the great socialist revolutionary fighter who emerged as a great supporter of the beleaguered Jews in the last years of the 1930s.

   FROM INVERSION OF THE TRUTH TO INVERSION OF REALITY
   Joel S. Fishman

   ________________________________________
   Woe unto them that call evil good,
   And good evil;
   That change darkness into light,
   And light into darkness;
   That change bitter into sweet,
   And sweet into bitter.
   ISAIAH 5:20

   From the 1960s, inversion of truth and reality has been one the most favored propaganda methods of Israel’s adversaries. One of its most frequent expressions has been the accusation that the Jewish people, victims of the Nazis, have now become the new Nazis, aggressors and oppressors of the Palestinian Arabs. Contemporary observers have identified this method and described it as an “inversion of reality,” an “intellectual confidence trick,” “reversing moral responsibility,” or “twisted logic.” Because Israel’s enemies have, for nearly half a century, repeated such libels without being challenged, they have gradually gained credence. Since inversion of reality constitutes the basic principle of current anti-Israeli propaganda, it is important to understand what it is and how it works. This propaganda method is a product of Nazi Germany. It is totalitarian both in its methods, particularly the use of the paranoiac myth, and in the absolute solution it advocates. It denies all of Israel’s claims completely and leaves no room for introspection and compromise.

   And this:

   The Problem in Historical Perspective: Israel and the Media War
   From the 1960s, inversion of truth and reality has been one the most favored propaganda methods of Israel’s adversaries. One of its most frequent expressions has been the accusation that the Jewish people, victims of the Nazis, have now become the new Nazis, aggressors and oppressors of the Palestinian Arabs. Contemporary observers have identified this method and described it as an “inversion of reality,” an “intellectual confidence trick,” “reversing moral responsibility,” or “twisted logic.” Because Israel’s enemies have, for nearly half a century, repeated such libels without being challenged, they have gradually gained credence. Since inversion of reality constitutes the basic principle of current anti-Israeli propaganda, it is important to understand what it is and how it works.

   Later in this excellent article appears the following:

   According to Anne Bayefsky and Rabbis Cooper and Brackman, some of the propositions which found expression at Durban were:
   • Denial of anti-Semitism as a human rights issue of our time.
   • Acceptance of anti-Semitism in the name of fighting racism.
   • “Antisemitism is not a manifestation of contemporary racism.”
   • Recognition of the Palestinian people as victims of Israeli racism.
   • Expropriation of the term Holocaust.
   • Approval of terrorism-or “armed struggle”-as a means to combat racism.
   Exclusion and isolation of the Jewish state in the name of multiculturalism.[73]

   Almost all of the above in relation to antisemitism can be applied in one way or another, at one time or another, to racism against Serbs

   Fishman the author concludes with this. It could have been penned specidically for the unprincipled support of Israpundit for Lieberman, enemy of the Serb people and supporter of the racist KLA who drove Serbs AND Jews out of Kosovo.

   What merits can any cause have if it can be advanced only by means of untruth? Beyond the specific circumstances, inversion of truth constitutes an assault on the foundations of modern culture which is based on empirical and rational thought. If this assault succeeds, there is a danger that language will be debased and society will regress to a condition of anomie. There is, therefore, an urgent need to expose the lies which have become part of the media war and to discredit those who spread them.

   On Israpundit the editor and principle writer engage in this exchange above:

   Before reading this suggestion anywhere I suggested the same to Jerry Gordon this morning.

   After all I said Lieberman endorsed McCain.

   Comment by Ted Belman — December 27, 2007 @ 4:29 pm

   Definitely preferable to anything the Democrats can offer. Lieberman is the only Democrat for whom I would consider voting for in the Presidential election.

   Comment by Bill Levinson — December 27, 2007 @ 4:50 pm

   The editor is Ted Belman and the writer is Jerry Gordon. Another regular writer Bill Levinson as we see also weighed in on the same topic of support for Lieberman.

   Here they are lauding the arch enemy of the Serb people, a man responsible as much or more than anybody in the American Establishment for the destruction of Serbia, for the vilification, even Nazification in the Media of Slobodan Milosevic and the Serb people. He thus has responsibility for the poisoning of Slobodan Milosevic in a NATO prison.

   It says above it is important to understand the basis of anti-Israeli propaganda but these people connected with Israpundit are doing the very same thing to the Serbs and their agony, they are lauding and giving credence to the very man, Lieberman, so responsible for making the name of the Serbs out to be a hated, racist, nazi type entity, a lie of Hitlerite magnitude.

   The lack of basic internationalist principle of these on Israpundit is astounding. Furthermore because a true Jewish leadership must be based on principles, and not on opportunism, they are also betraying the Jews.

   Perhaps the casual reader to Israpundit may counter that these writers do not know the record of Lieberman in the Balkans. But as we all know they know very well as these facts have been enunciated time and time again.

   A number of things flow from Israpundit editorial support for Lieberman and through that the racism against the Serbs. One it is quite impossible for Israpundit to fight against the racism and antisemitism against Jews. It is also impossible for Israpundit to conduct the essential strugggle against Stalinism which has also been responsible for spreading hatred against the Jews.

   It is also why I am breaking all formal links with Israpundit. Since all Jews are coming into a period of intense struggle and considerable danger I will seek to establish a unity with groups such as Israpundit. But the banners will never be entwined. I and any who join me will speak always from a position of political, theoretical and organizational independence. My name should be removed from the list of writers above for obvious reasons.I believe firmly that Israpundit under present direction will on behalf of the Jewish people have to confront this issue of Lieberman because as regards the Serbs and the Jews we are talking about an indivisible cloth. I believe that I represent the continuity of the ideas and traditions of the great Russsian revolutionary Leon Trotsky and I cannot allow my name and his principles to be formally linked with an organization that is racist towards the Serbs, through Lieberman, no more than I would with racism towards the Jews. This is an awful thing to say to a group of Jews, a people who have suffered so much from racism, but sadly it is the truth. So it has to be said.

2. This is a most serious issue. I start to explain my position with a quote from a Jewish man, Jared Israel, of Emperors New Clothes

   Significance of Lieberman’s ‘Arm-the-KLA’ Resolution

   As Madeline Albright’s remarks indicate, the KLA did not need the “Kosova Self-Defense Act” to get U.S. weapons, because “the international community” was already making sure the KLA got enough weapons to “operate.”

   Rather, the Act had two purposes. First, to get the US Senate to endorse a crime of war – the training of a terrorist group – and second to provide a focus for publicity aimed at winning the public to perceive the KLA fascists as representatives of an oppressed nation deserving popular support.

   Lieberman referred to the KLA as “Kosovan military forces” at a time (April 9, 1999) when the KLA was largely isolated, even among secessionist-minded Albanians. And note, the phrase “Kosovan military forces” suggests there is some legitimate nation called “Kosova,” though no such place has ever existed except perhaps as a Nazi puppet state during World War II. (3) Indeed, the word “Kosova” has no meaning in either the Serbo-Croatian or Albanian languages. (5)

   And so this Lieberman, who makes a public spectacle of his religious beliefs, who pontificates from a place higher than Morality, this Lieberman fronts for the KLA who are the self-proclaimed heirs to the Balli Kombëtar, the World War II Albanian fascists (3). This Lieberman, who flaunts his Jewishness as if it were a theme park, to the disgust of many Jews, including the writers of this article, this Lieberman fronts for the descendents of the very people who murdered nearly every Jew in Kosovo.

   Some Jews did survive the KLA’s Nazi ancestors. Here’s how: the Kosovo Albanian fascists dutifully rounded up Jews and shipped them off to Nazi death camps. But one of the trains took a wrong turn, got stuck, and was discovered by the invading Soviet Red Army. They were freed. Some left Kosovo. Others rebuilt their shattered lives.

   But please note: since being put in power by NATO and the UN, Senator Lieberman’s beloved KLA has driven from Kosovo those Jews who managed not to be killed by the Balli Kombëtar during W.W. II, driven them out along with their descendents. That is, his KLA has completed the job of producing a judenfrei ‘KosovA.’

   http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/garris/duringthe.htm

   JOE LIEBERMAN – APOLOGIST FOR THE FASCIST KLA
   by Jared Israel and Eric Garris (Written 20 August 2000, not posted until 23 May 2001)

   Got that! Judenfrei. This is the same Lieberman that is mentioned above.

   I turn now to a man called Joel S. Fishman who is writing about antisemitism. It is an excellent article within its limits and covers Nazi antisemitism and the related Palestinian Arab and Soviet Stalinist antisemitism. Fishman is silent on Leon Trotsky the great socialist revolutionary fighter who emerged as a great supporter of the beleaguered Jews in the last years of the 1930s.

   FROM INVERSION OF THE TRUTH TO INVERSION OF REALITY
   Joel S. Fishman

   ________________________________________
   Woe unto them that call evil good,
   And good evil;
   That change darkness into light,
   And light into darkness;
   That change bitter into sweet,
   And sweet into bitter.
   ISAIAH 5:20

   From the 1960s, inversion of truth and reality has been one the most favored propaganda methods of Israel’s adversaries. One of its most frequent expressions has been the accusation that the Jewish people, victims of the Nazis, have now become the new Nazis, aggressors and oppressors of the Palestinian Arabs. Contemporary observers have identified this method and described it as an “inversion of reality,” an “intellectual confidence trick,” “reversing moral responsibility,” or “twisted logic.” Because Israel’s enemies have, for nearly half a century, repeated such libels without being challenged, they have gradually gained credence. Since inversion of reality constitutes the basic principle of current anti-Israeli propaganda, it is important to understand what it is and how it works. This propaganda method is a product of Nazi Germany. It is totalitarian both in its methods, particularly the use of the paranoiac myth, and in the absolute solution it advocates. It denies all of Israel’s claims completely and leaves no room for introspection and compromise.

   And this:

   The Problem in Historical Perspective: Israel and the Media War
   From the 1960s, inversion of truth and reality has been one the most favored propaganda methods of Israel’s adversaries. One of its most frequent expressions has been the accusation that the Jewish people, victims of the Nazis, have now become the new Nazis, aggressors and oppressors of the Palestinian Arabs. Contemporary observers have identified this method and described it as an “inversion of reality,” an “intellectual confidence trick,” “reversing moral responsibility,” or “twisted logic.” Because Israel’s enemies have, for nearly half a century, repeated such libels without being challenged, they have gradually gained credence. Since inversion of reality constitutes the basic principle of current anti-Israeli propaganda, it is important to understand what it is and how it works.

   Later in this excellent article appears the following:

   According to Anne Bayefsky and Rabbis Cooper and Brackman, some of the propositions which found expression at Durban were:
   • Denial of anti-Semitism as a human rights issue of our time.
   • Acceptance of anti-Semitism in the name of fighting racism.
   • “Antisemitism is not a manifestation of contemporary racism.”
   • Recognition of the Palestinian people as victims of Israeli racism.
   • Expropriation of the term Holocaust.
   • Approval of terrorism-or “armed struggle”-as a means to combat racism.
   Exclusion and isolation of the Jewish state in the name of multiculturalism.[73]

   Almost all of the above in relation to antisemitism can be applied in one way or another, at one time or another, to racism against Serbs

   Fishman the author concludes with this. It could have been penned specidically for the unprincipled support of Israpundit for Lieberman, enemy of the Serb people and supporter of the racist KLA who drove Serbs AND Jews out of Kosovo.

   What merits can any cause have if it can be advanced only by means of untruth? Beyond the specific circumstances, inversion of truth constitutes an assault on the foundations of modern culture which is based on empirical and rational thought. If this assault succeeds, there is a danger that language will be debased and society will regress to a condition of anomie. There is, therefore, an urgent need to expose the lies which have become part of the media war and to discredit those who spread them.

   On Israpundit the editor and principle writer engage in this exchange above:

   Before reading this suggestion anywhere I suggested the same to Jerry Gordon this morning.

   After all I said Lieberman endorsed McCain.

   Comment by Ted Belman — December 27, 2007 @ 4:29 pm

   Definitely preferable to anything the Democrats can offer. Lieberman is the only Democrat for whom I would consider voting for in the Presidential election.

   Comment by Bill Levinson — December 27, 2007 @ 4:50 pm

   The editor is Ted Belman and the writer is Jerry Gordon. Another regular writer Bill Levinson as we see also weighed in on the same topic of support for Lieberman.

   Here they are lauding the arch enemy of the Serb people, a man responsible as much or more than anybody in the American Establishment for the destruction of Serbia, for the vilification, even Nazification in the Media of Slobodan Milosevic and the Serb people. He thus has responsibility for the poisoning of Slobodan Milosevic in a NATO prison.

   It says above it is important to understand the basis of anti-Israeli propaganda but these people connected with Israpundit are doing the very same thing to the Serbs and their agony, they are lauding and giving credence to the very man, Lieberman, so responsible for making the name of the Serbs out to be a hated, racist, nazi type entity, a lie of Hitlerite magnitude.

   The lack of basic internationalist principle of these on Israpundit is astounding. Furthermore because a true Jewish leadership must be based on principles, and not on opportunism, they are also betraying the Jews.

   Perhaps the casual reader to Israpundit may counter that these writers do not know the record of Lieberman in the Balkans. But as we all know they know very well as these facts have been enunciated time and time again.

   A number of things flow from Israpundit editorial support for Lieberman and through that the racism against the Serbs. One it is quite impossible for Israpundit to fight against the racism and antisemitism against Jews. It is also impossible for Israpundit to conduct the essential strugggle against Stalinism which has also been responsible for spreading hatred against the Jews.

   It is also why I am breaking all formal links with Israpundit. Since all Jews are coming into a period of intense struggle and considerable danger I will seek to establish a unity with groups such as Israpundit. But the banners will never be entwined. I and any who join me will speak always from a position of political, theoretical and organizational independence. My name should be removed from the list of writers above for obvious reasons.I believe firmly that Israpundit under present direction will on behalf of the Jewish people have to confront this issue of Lieberman because as regards the Serbs and the Jews we are talking about an indivisible cloth. I believe that I represent the continuity of the ideas and traditions of the great Russsian revolutionary Leon Trotsky and I cannot allow my name and his principles to be formally linked with an organization that is racist towards the Serbs, through Lieberman, no more than I would with racism towards the Jews. This is an awful thing to say to a group of Jews, a people who have suffered so much from racism, but sadly it is the truth. So it has to be said.

3. I don’t like either one especially Uncle Tom Lieberman! he supports a 2 state solution ! Real religious Jew? still living and enjoying the Galut. Violation of Most important Mitzva in the Torah. Secular Jews i can forgive not religious Orthodox ones they are all Hypocrites and I am ashamed of them. Violation of Judaic principle that no Jew should be able to pick and choose which mitzva to accept and which ones to reject voluntarily/.. All Mitzvot are equal in this regard. That is Halacha. according to Ranban it is eaqual to idol worship and precludes entrance in the world to come. The most secular Jew living in the Land of Israel is more worthy of the world to come the all the so called religious Jews living in the Galut. I don’t think I will get any arguments from religious Jews on this .

4. I don’t like either one especially Uncle Tom Lieberman! he supports a 2 state solution ! Real religious Jew? still living and enjoying the Galut. Violation of Most important Mitzva in the Torah. Secular Jews i can forgive not religious Orthodox ones they are all Hypocrites and I am ashamed of them. Violation of Judaic principle that no Jew should be able to pick and choose which mitzva to accept and which ones to reject voluntarily/.. All Mitzvot are equal in this regard. That is Halacha. according to Ranban it is eaqual to idol worship and precludes entrance in the world to come. The most secular Jew living in the Land of Israel is more worthy of the world to come the all the so called religious Jews living in the Galut. I don’t think I will get any arguments from religious Jews on this .

5. I side with Geigergag. Have a look at News Flash : John McCain Not Popular With Republicans Malkin Readers over at the Jawa report, follow the Malkin link and read the comments at both sites.

6. I side with Geigergag. Have a look at News Flash : John McCain Not Popular With Republicans Malkin Readers over at the Jawa report, follow the Malkin link and read the comments at both sites.

7. John McCain stated that he thinks Abbas and his Fatah terrorist group are entirely different than Hamas. Those of you that think McCain would be a strong president on foreign policy issues are, I think, mistaken. He strongly supports building another terrorist state basically in Israel. He has expressed full throated, Condi like support for Abbas. And his judgment is more that questionable. This is the guy that thinks that on 9/10/2001 if we would have had Khalid Sheik Mohammed in hand and we knew that there was an accute likelyhood of an immediate attack, that strong interrogation techniques like waterboarding still would not be acceptable. He supported what can only be considered a legal a campaign against free speech with McCain/Feingold. The man is certainly a personal hero, but he has a record of bad judgment on these issues, on illegal immigration and on many other issues. He would not be a good choice for president. And I believe that most of the readers of this site would be terribly disappointed in him.

8. John McCain stated that he thinks Abbas and his Fatah terrorist group are entirely different than Hamas. Those of you that think McCain would be a strong president on foreign policy issues are, I think, mistaken. He strongly supports building another terrorist state basically in Israel. He has expressed full throated, Condi like support for Abbas. And his judgment is more that questionable. This is the guy that thinks that on 9/10/2001 if we would have had Khalid Sheik Mohammed in hand and we knew that there was an accute likelyhood of an immediate attack, that strong interrogation techniques like waterboarding still would not be acceptable. He supported what can only be considered a legal a campaign against free speech with McCain/Feingold. The man is certainly a personal hero, but he has a record of bad judgment on these issues, on illegal immigration and on many other issues. He would not be a good choice for president. And I believe that most of the readers of this site would be terribly disappointed in him.

9. Of course there is a converse to Luchins’ “Both parties are a problem”…”Both are filled with people who are not our friends”.

   I remembered to save an article;

   “Sen. Jon Corzine (D-N.J.) chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC), surprised members of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America during remarks at a luncheon when he acknowledge there is a perception among many Jews that Democrats are not strong enough on the issue of Israeli security.

   However, he insisted, the perception is not true.

   ‘A lot of us were quite struck that he would say that,’ said a high ranking official with the group.”

   THE HILL Newspaper, 30 March 04, pg 1,5.

   Kol tuv,

   cc: Sura Arafat

10. Of course there is a converse to Luchins’ “Both parties are a problem”…”Both are filled with people who are not our friends”.

    I remembered to save an article;

    “Sen. Jon Corzine (D-N.J.) chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC), surprised members of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America during remarks at a luncheon when he acknowledge there is a perception among many Jews that Democrats are not strong enough on the issue of Israeli security.

    However, he insisted, the perception is not true.

    ‘A lot of us were quite struck that he would say that,’ said a high ranking official with the group.”

    THE HILL Newspaper, 30 March 04, pg 1,5.

    Kol tuv,

    cc: Sura Arafat

11. Before reading this suggestion anywhere I suggested the same to Jerry Gordon this morning.

    After all I said Lieberman endorsed McCain.

12. Before reading this suggestion anywhere I suggested the same to Jerry Gordon this morning.

    After all I said Lieberman endorsed McCain.