Viewing Israel as an Asian country without US support

Prof. J.P. Golbert

Part of the explanation for Israel’s hesitation in taking out the Iranian nuclear threat seems to be the fear that Israel will not be able to survive the diplomatic fall-out from it. The world will immediately condemn Israel for its “aggression” and even states that fear a nuclear Iran will join in. Sanctions may well be imposed, both diplomatic and economic, and Israel will be utterly isolated. A universal boycott might be imposed. Even collective military action such as was turned against Serbia cannot be ruled out. So goes the fear.

The alternative, however, as Caroline Glick correctly and incisively outlined (“Column One: Keeping Zionism’s promise,” Jerusalem Post, Friday, January 29, 2010) is a slow death imposed incrementally by means of what is called, in Orwellian deceit, the “peace process.” The idea of reliance on the “enlightened nations of the world” to extricate Israel, and indeed the world, from another descent into barbarism and brutality is a vain hope. Europe has decided to surrender and anyway is quite comfortable with the notion that the world is better off without Israel and the Jews. America is currently being led resolutely in the same direction, which anyway was always the orientation of the State Department. Nor is Israel the only country to feel exposed and abandoned by the withdrawal of America power. (See, e.g., Peter Lee, South Korea reels as US backpedals, http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/LG24Dg01.html).

Israel, however, does not have to accede. Israel is not without alternatives or without recourse. Israel is able to go it alone, against the will of the USA, the “Quartet”, the UN and the Arab League. There are several powerful tools in Israel’s hands.

Israeli military technology.
Not many people realize that Israel is the country of innovation in hi-tech munitions and in asymmetrical warfare. Israel is practically in a position to embargo hi-tech weaponry from any country in the world, including the US. The Popeye missile is hardly even the threshold.

Israel’s military technology is very advanced and many of Israel’s technologies and products are unique and superior. The world will not likely boycott them. As the worldwide jihad expands, Israel’s expertise and experience in combating Islamic terror will become a more and more marketable commodity. The non-Islamic world has reason to realize that Israel’s war against Islamic terror is their own war and not colonialist apartheid oppression, as it is portrayed.

Israeli governments seem chronic in their underestimation of the value to the world of Israeli military technology. Israeli electronics took apart the best Soviet made anti-aircraft systems in Syria back in 1967, to the shock of the Soviets. Development of Israeli military technology has accelerated since then. Many of those technologies have been acquired in secret by the United States, in some cases via threats and intimidation.

Likewise, intelligence supplied to the United States by Israel has been invaluable. Yet, to Americans, seeing only billions of dollars of “aid” being given to Israel and not seeing that, in fact, the US gets more than its money’s worth, Israel looks like a beggar at the gate.

On the other side, Israel has come to see itself as a welfare dependent on the American dole. Israel has to insist that acquisition by foreign governments of Israeli arms technology, consultation and training (in urban warfare in Iraq, for example) and other strategic cooperation be done only in public and not secretly. Insisting on legitimacy means refusing to be treated like the “other woman” in order not to offend the Muslim states.

Withstanding international pressures.
Israel need not fear international pressure, even boycotts and sanctions. There are too many other countries in positions similar to Israel’s with regard to Moslem minorities and external defense to isolate Israel for long. India, for one, has growing and developing ties with Israel owing in part to the fact that its history of appeasement of its Moslem minority has not bought it peace and security. It has need of technology sharing and joint projects with Israel and that would likely continue despite international sanctions. Long ago, Israel scrapped the jet fighter project, the Kfir, under US pressure and closed Beit Shemesh Engines. But Israel makes its own rocket engines, which function under more extreme conditions than jet aircraft engines. Israel certainly could also make engines for jet aircraft. India is eager for closer cooperation with Israel and making military aircraft in partnership with India alone would create a market large enough to enjoy economies of scale. China and Japan have found collaboration with Israel very productive for other reasons.

An Israel-India Alignment.
President Obama, in his arrogance, has hectored not only Israel to surrender to Islamic demands, but also India, whom he told that the reason they do not have peace with Pakistan is because India has not surrendered Kashmir. This he could actually say when Pakistan is in grave danger of being taken over by the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

In fact, Israel and India are natural allies in many ways and complementary to each other in many ways. The combined resources, brain power, technology and manufacturing capacity would be a formidable combination from the outset. If ties with India were to be pursued with utmost urgency and Israeli foreign policy reoriented immediately to make India the central point, India could replace both the US and Europe in Israel’s foreign and defense policy.

Additional states for such an alignment.
There are other states that President Obama has already alienated which could be brought into such a grouping. Colombia, with the assistance of Israeli military advisors, is near to victory against Marxist rebels. They have found that President Obama’s emissaries have been in contact with the rebels, even before he was sworn into office, with a view to actually taking their side. Almost the same story is taking place in Sri Lanka.

Taiwan is another pariah state with which Israel might develop important relations. Israel has a choice between Taiwan and China, of course, but China is not averse to doing deals that are inimical to Israel’s vital interests and, if pushed to decide, Israel might consider whether a permanent relationship with Taiwan might not be more advantageous.

Short term strategic cooperation with India. In the immediate future, Israel and India might do something of utmost importance together, that being the twin threats of Iranian nuclear weapons and Pakistani nuclear weapons. The former directly threatens Israel. The latter directly threatens India, particularly if Pakistan becomes a failed state, which it almost is already. If Israel and India help each other, it might be possible to eliminate both nuclear threats. To fly from India might not bring Israel closer to the Iranian nuclear plants but it would have the advantage of not having to cross airspace under American control. It is not clear to me whether it is necessary at all to use manned aircraft for the purpose when Israel has both ballistic missiles and cruise missiles that could do the job.

Nor is it necessary to destroy the nuclear facilities themselves. The nuclear facilities cannot function without infrastructure. They are useless without electricity and water and raw materials. Israel can certainly cripple Iran’s infrastructure, bomb the Majlis and the mullas and the Presidential Palace and even hunt down the scientists involved in the nuclear project. And the same is true of Pakistan.

Of course, the world would be outraged and might even apply serious sanctions against Israel and India. Both Israel and India could withstand those. It would require considerable economic reorientation and restructuring but it is high time that took place anyway. Both countries would emerge stronger, more independent and more democratic for having done so.

Israel can expect to meet concerted opposition from the world to these measures. Israel can be expected to be condemned, vilified and loathed. Israel can even expect that there might be sanctions imposed. On the other hand, submission and obsequiousness and “goodwill gestures,” “confidence building measures,” territorial concessions, unconditional unilateral withdrawal from southern Lebanon and Gaza and restraint have brought nothing but condemnation, vilification and loathing, deligitimation and calls for Israel’s destruction (meaning genocide) when it defended itself. As long as Israel still exists, more concessions will be demanded of her. In contrast, Israeli and Jewish prestige and acceptance were never higher than following the Six-Day War when the nations feared and respected Israel.

The same is true of India. Who believes that territorial demands on India would cease if India were to relinquish Kashmir? “Mughalistan” is already an objective with a plan to separate the whole of northern India into a continuous Muslim state incorporating everything from Pakistan to the eastern border of India and even a part of the coast of Myanmar. (See http://factindiablog.wordpress.com/2009/01/04/moghulistan/ )

Nor would demands stop there. India, like Israel, was under Islamic rule for centuries and is, therefore, in Dar al Islam, the domain of Islam and Muslims consider India’s existence illegitimate and an affront to Islam. Anything resembling peace can only be achieved the way Spain and Portugal achieved it for five centuries and that is by being so strong for so long that the Muslims take it off the agenda for the foreseeable future. In the age of global jihad, it will not even come off the agenda but there is nothing to be gained from trying to appease it.

July 28, 2010 | 68 Comments »

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  1. Yes , I must confess I did plan on killing Y, after all would the world really miss this fatuous little suppository , with his preening self-confidence and emetic (look it up) cuteness.?

  2. Yamit- Kendraa so far I haven’t recognized any right wing positions in your comments and nobody attacks you over being pro American except that your pro American positions are quite patriotic from a left wing nihilist perspective.

    My little bespeckled vonce- I have so far resisted the impulse to grab your nose with my fist and give it several turns counterclockwise till it made a ratcheting noise. All done by telepathy, of course.

    I am sorry that we might not hear from Martel again. It seems I have traumatized him out of his wits. The poor baby will never be the same.

  6. additional to previous post.

    Ron, just a thought – as you genufuelect before your uncle-why don’t you do what you must do, show your gratitude for allowing a filthy “goy” to post on Israpundit.

    Laura, why don’t you line up as well. Just wet your whistle.

    and remember, keep stroking yourselves as a kind of group therapy.

  7. addendum to previos post. Before you charge, indict and pass judgement on an accused- make sure you have at leat a shread , a single shread of evidence.Speculation, guessing, or theorizing does mot count as evidence.

    Tue, 7/27/10, eidelberg@foundation1.org wrote:

    Stupidity-Cum-Loss of Will

    Paul Eidelberg

    Let’s go back to 1788 when statesmen like Alexander Hamilton and James Madison were engaged in convincing the American people and one or another of America’s thirteen State legislatures to support and ratify, respectively, the newly crafted Constitution of the United States.

    Whatever the differences among those thirteen original States, the nature of those differences were nothing compared to the religious, cultural, and political antagonisms that divide the Hebrew-speaking Jews and Arabic-speaking Muslims residing between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea.

    Nevertheless, Benjamin Netanyahu has publicly endorsed the “two-state solution” to the conflict between these fundamentally heterogeneous people. I find this astounding when I juxtapose what Alexander Hamilton said in Federalist No. 6 to his contemporaries—all speaking the same language, virtually all Christian, very much habituated to English laws, viscerally opposed to autocratic government—and oh yes, so many of whom read Shakespeare! Yet Hamilton warned:

    To look for a continuation of harmony between a number of independent, unconnected sovereignties situated in the same neighborhood would be to disregard the uniform course of human events, and to set at defiance the accumulated experience of the ages.

    With this statement in view, I find it all the more amazing that Israel’s ruling elites and their benighted counterparts in America and Europe should advocate the establishment of an Arab-Islamic state athwart the Jewish state of Israel! Mazel tov!

    And so, when I contrast this projected “two-state solution” with what Hamilton says in Federalist 6, I find it hard to avoid the conclusion that Israel’s ruling elites are either stupid or suffering from historical amnesia. Both stupidity and historical amnesia may simultaneously afflict the architect of the Oslo peace process Shimon Peres, who fatuously said: “I have become totally tired of history, because I feel history is a long misunderstanding.”

    However, since few people want to believe that Israeli prime ministers are simply stupid, I thought it might be comforting to classify their obtuseness as “extraterrestrial stupidity.”

    Not that I ignore such human frailties as cowardice (yielding to foreign pressure) and self-aggrandizement as possible explanations of elite behavior in Israel. But with the passage of seventeen years since Oslo and 10,000 Jewish casualties, and after much research and reflection, I have arrived at the conclusion that the policy of yielding Jewish land to Arab terrorists should be attributed not to mere stupidity, but rather to self-induced stupidity resulting from loss of will.

    Some evidence of this phenomenon appears in a speech Mr. Netanyahu gave in 2000 at the thirteenth-anniversary celebration of the Zionist journal Nativ.

    Asked whether he saw any end to the Israel-Arab conflict, Netanyahu expressed the belief that the spread of Internet among the Arabs would promote their pacification!

    I was in the audience at the time and was stunned when I heard this glib but really obtuse remark, a remark indicative of a basically yielding or passive mind, one fearful of taking the initiative against Israel’s foes. Internet—signifying the technological explosion of information—will solve the Arab-Israel conflict!

    This mentality is also manifested in the “peace plans” proposed by Natan Sharansky, former IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Moshe Ya’alon, and others who lack the wherewithal to face the theological dimension of the Arab-Israel conflict.

    (By the way, the idea that science or technology can solve the human problem—hence the problem of evil—antedates Marx’s economic philosophy of history.)

    As for Internet, it has become a major instrument of global jihad. Internet has spread the message of Islam throughout the Middle East, Europe, and America—along with the technological information for making weapons of mass destruction.

    The Muslim Arabs are not suffering from stupidity-cum-loss of will.

  8. I don’t think I wish to waste my time commenting to a bunch of ossified old farts that don’t know what a fresh new idea is if they fell over one.

    Mr Y (I don’t wish to contaminate myself by spelling out your full fake name), but I have more intellect in my big toe than you have ever had in your rotting brain.

    Rongrand , you haven’t has a new thought since your first communion. All you do is genuflect daily before your “uncle”.

    Laura. To summarize the sum total of your knowledge is to repeate the phrase, ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD PEOPLE, as would a 5 year old.

    Goodbye folks, I can’t say, it has been a pleasure knowing you……….

  9. Occaisionally a person’s comment is held as spam and I have to release it. Everytime you repeat the comment you are wasting my time. I have told everyone from time to time not to repeat a comment. It won’t help.

    Sorry about that Ted, I thought it was my computer. I restarted a few times and tried resetting the defaults.
    Hell I guess I could have save myself some time likewise.

    Just like my wife said, you hear but you don’t listen. Have you been talking to her??

  10. ron: Brett Favre told ESPN Thursday he might have to retire from the NFL because of nagging injuries and surgery

    You got that right, he’ll show up a few days before game day. All the other poor slobs are busting their butts now.

  11. Now that Joy has gotten me up to speed on what this latke rat wrote to her, it’s become clear that “kendraa” is a bowel movement.

  12. I don’t believe that a bunch of ossified old farts like yourselves deserve to read my comments. I don’t usually keep company with riff raff. The nerve of you all to sit in judgement of myself. What gall, what chutzpa!!!! . Mr Y, (I don’t wish to contaminate myself by spelling out your full name.) I have more intellect in my big toe than you ever had in that rotting brain of yours- if you can call that a brain.

    Rongrand, you havn’t had an original idea since you celebrated your first communion, or was that a bar-mitzvah.

    Laura, your brain has been stuck in one mode for decades. ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD PEOPLE!! and that is the sum total of your Knowledge.

    Ok folks keep stroking each other, keep telling each other what smart people we all are, and for heaven’s
    sake keep that door shut-don’t ever allow someone young and vibrant with fresh ideas in.
    And should someone new sneak in subject that person to a thorough analysis ensuring that he/she is not an undesireable,who might have a fresh new slant on the situation.

    goodbye folks, I can’t say it has been a pleasure knowing you.

    Oh before I go,Ron, when you address your uncle, make sure YOU GO DOWN BEFORE HIM ON ONE OR BOTH KNEES. Then you can do what must be done.

    Tue, 7/27/10, eidelberg@foundation1.org wrote:

    Stupidity-Cum-Loss of Will

    Paul Eidelberg

    Let’s go back to 1788 when statesmen like Alexander Hamilton and James Madison were engaged in convincing the American people and one or another of America’s thirteen State legislatures to support and ratify, respectively, the newly crafted Constitution of the United States.

    Whatever the differences among those thirteen original States, the nature of those differences were nothing compared to the religious, cultural, and political antagonisms that divide the Hebrew-speaking Jews and Arabic-speaking Muslims residing between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea.

    Nevertheless, Benjamin Netanyahu has publicly endorsed the “two-state solution” to the conflict between these fundamentally heterogeneous people. I find this astounding when I juxtapose what Alexander Hamilton said in Federalist No. 6 to his contemporaries—all speaking the same language, virtually all Christian, very much habituated to English laws, viscerally opposed to autocratic government—and oh yes, so many of whom read Shakespeare! Yet Hamilton warned:

    To look for a continuation of harmony between a number of independent, unconnected sovereignties situated in the same neighborhood would be to disregard the uniform course of human events, and to set at defiance the accumulated experience of the ages.

    With this statement in view, I find it all the more amazing that Israel’s ruling elites and their benighted counterparts in America and Europe should advocate the establishment of an Arab-Islamic state athwart the Jewish state of Israel! Mazel tov!

    And so, when I contrast this projected “two-state solution” with what Hamilton says in Federalist 6, I find it hard to avoid the conclusion that Israel’s ruling elites are either stupid or suffering from historical amnesia. Both stupidity and historical amnesia may simultaneously afflict the architect of the Oslo peace process Shimon Peres, who fatuously said: “I have become totally tired of history, because I feel history is a long misunderstanding.”

    However, since few people want to believe that Israeli prime ministers are simply stupid, I thought it might be comforting to classify their obtuseness as “extraterrestrial stupidity.”

    Not that I ignore such human frailties as cowardice (yielding to foreign pressure) and self-aggrandizement as possible explanations of elite behavior in Israel. But with the passage of seventeen years since Oslo and 10,000 Jewish casualties, and after much research and reflection, I have arrived at the conclusion that the policy of yielding Jewish land to Arab terrorists should be attributed not to mere stupidity, but rather to self-induced stupidity resulting from loss of will.

    Some evidence of this phenomenon appears in a speech Mr. Netanyahu gave in 2000 at the thirteenth-anniversary celebration of the Zionist journal Nativ.

    Asked whether he saw any end to the Israel-Arab conflict, Netanyahu expressed the belief that the spread of Internet among the Arabs would promote their pacification!

    I was in the audience at the time and was stunned when I heard this glib but really obtuse remark, a remark indicative of a basically yielding or passive mind, one fearful of taking the initiative against Israel’s foes. Internet—signifying the technological explosion of information—will solve the Arab-Israel conflict!

    This mentality is also manifested in the “peace plans” proposed by Natan Sharansky, former IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Moshe Ya’alon, and others who lack the wherewithal to face the theological dimension of the Arab-Israel conflict.

    (By the way, the idea that science or technology can solve the human problem—hence the problem of evil—antedates Marx’s economic philosophy of history.)

    As for Internet, it has become a major instrument of global jihad. Internet has spread the message of Islam throughout the Middle East, Europe, and America—along with the technological information for making weapons of mass destruction.

    The Muslim Arabs are not suffering from stupidity-cum-loss of will.

  13. ron: Brett Favre told ESPN Thursday he might have to retire from the NFL because of nagging injuries and surgery. The fans play along. Every summer the only thing that keeps the economy alive in the Midwest is fans buying going-away gifts for Brett Favre.

  14. Occaisionally a person’s comment is held as spam and I have to release it. Everytime you repeat the comment you are wasting my time. I have told everyone from time to time not to repeat a comment. It won’t help.

  15. Uncle if you go back and read the comments of Kendraa you will recognize (she/he) are one in the same Hymie Peskin.

  16. Hymie never took a pro-American position.

    THAT’S IT? That’s your justification, your proof? No other checks?
    Well as a matter of fact they both take the same positions vis a vis America and Israel,

    Yes Kendra is provocative but don’t try to chase her away.

    She believes that to be pro-American one has to turn her back on Israel. We have to make the case that to be pro-Israel is to be pro-American and vice versa. We should be partners. She wants to give us a divorce thinking that it would be better for America that way. We have to make the case thAT IT WOULDN’T

    I don’t believe that tripe for a second. You don’t have to be pro Israel to be pro American or it’s inverse and have made the case that it isn’t so many times here. The left and most American liberals don’t think so. The fringe Right don’t think so, most American Jews don’t think so. Who’s Left? CUFI?, pro Israel anti Judaism Christians.

  17. Hymie never took a pro-American position. Yes Kendra is provocative but don’t try to chase her away. She believes that to be pro-American one has to turn her back on Israel. We have to make the case that to be pro-Israel is to be pro-American and vice versa. We should be partners. She wants to give us a divorce thinking that it would be better for America that way. We have to make the case thAT IT WOULDN’T

  18. Ted your blog. I see too many inconsistencies in the kendraa narrative to ring true. There are to many similarities to our friend HP. Kendraa has given us enough of Hymies tells to be a coincidence she, is much to familiar with all of us regulars to be just another new even if provocative new face on the block.

    Of late he has impersonated me and ron on Laura’s blog and where else I couldn’t say or really care but here we need to know before we continue. If I’m wrong I will apologize. Remember Celia?