DEBKAfile Special Report May 7, 2013, 2:19 PM
Negative diplomatic ricochets are pursuing Israel in the aftermath of its air force attacks on Syria. In the first place, they are seen to have had no effect on Hizballah’s successful military intervention on the side of the Assad regime or the Syrian war at large. In the second, Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, while in Shanghai, was given a sharp dressing-down by President Vladimir Putin Monday, May 6, a warning that Russia would not tolerate further Israeli attacks on Damascus and would respond.
Putin did not say how, but he did announce he had ordered the acceleration of highly advanced Russian weapons supplies to Syria.
DEBKAfile’s military sources disclose that the Russian leader was referring to S-300 anti-air systems and the nuclear-capable 9K720 Iskander (NATO named SS-26 Stone) surface missiles, which are precise enough to hit a target within a 5-7 meter radius at a distance of 280 kilometers.
In his phone call to Netanyahu, the Russian leader made no bones about his determination not to permit the US, Israel or any other regional force (e.g. Turkey and Qatar) overthrow President Bashar Assad. He advised the prime minister to make sure to keep this in mind.
Our sources add: Since Syrian air defense teams have already trained in Russia on the handling of the S-300 interceptor batteries, they can go into service as soon as they are landed by one of Russia’s daily airlifts to Syria. Russian air defense officials will supervise their deployment and prepare them for operation.
Moscow is retaliating not just for Israel’s air operations against Syria but in anticipation of the Obama administration’s impending decision to send the first US arms shipments to the Syrian rebels.
Intelligence agencies in Moscow and the Middle East take it for granted that by the time Washington goes public on this decision, some of the Syrian rebel factions will already be armed with American weapons.
That the measure was in the works was signified by the introduction Monday by Bob Menendez, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, of legislation allowing the US to provide arms and military training to the Syrian rebels,
US military instructors have been working with Syrian rebels at training camps in Jordan and Turkey for some months. So putting the arms in their hands only awaited a decision in Washington.
Putin’s message to Netanyahu was intended to reach a wider audience than Jerusalem, such as Barack Obama in Washington and President Xi Jinping in Beijing ahead of Netanyahu’s talks there Tuesday.
Therefore, when US Secretary of State John Kerry landed in Moscow that day, in an attempt “bridge the divide” between their governments on the Syria conflict, he was preceded by a barrage of Russian condemnation of the Israeli air strikes in Damascus “as a threat to regional stability,” a stiff warning from the Russian foreign ministry to the “West” to stop “politicizing the issue of chemical weapons in Syria,” and Moscow’s “concern that world public opinion was being prepared for possible foreign military intervention.”
In other words, the Russian leader rejected in advance and with both hands any attempt by the US to use the Israeli air strikes as leverage for a deal with Moscow for ending the Syrian war. US weapons supplies to the rebels would furthermore be matched by stepped-up arms supplies to the Assad regime, which Putin is totally committed to preserving.
Kerry planned back-to-back meetings Tuesday with Russian officials focusing mainly on Syria but also covering the Russian angle on the Boston bombings, and hoped-for cooperation on the Iranian and North Korean nuclear issues.
The Chinese government’s cold shoulder to Israel was exhibited less directly that Moscow’s but no less firmly. Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas was invited to visit Beijing and meet President Xi two days before the prime arrived in the Chinese capital Tuesday to begin the official part of his visit. The Chinese president unveiled his peace plan before meeting the Israeli prime minister.
This plan emphasizes, as the key to a settlement, the Palestinian right to a state on the basis of 1967 borders with east Jerusalem as its capital. It also adopts Abbas’s preconditions for talks, including a stop to settlement activities, an end of the Gaza blockade and “proper handling” of the Palestinian prisoners issue.
Clearly, Prime Minister Netanyahu would have been wiser to postpone his Chinese visit instead of taking off while Israeli air force blasts will still reverberating in Damascus. By staying at home, he would have displayed a firmer and steadier hand at the helm.
And after taking off, he would have done well not to linger for two days in Shanghai first. This gave the Russian leader the chance to catch him wrong-footed and administer a strong, publicized rebuke, so bearing down on the agenda of Netanyahu’s forthcoming talks with Chinese leaders.
@ Bernard Ross:
I told you the Republicans would screw it up. Could Issa being an Arab have anything to do with it?
@ Honey Bee:
That’s a nice sentiment but the other bee has lost his wings and can’t find his way in the hive. He has become twisted by hate and fear. I am behooven to help him through ‘tough love’.
@ Bernard Ross:
@ Max:
Stop fight and calling each other bad names. You are two of my favorite now behave in the beehive.
Bernard Ross Said:
You’ve made this promise before – you never keep it, you always come back asking me to square your circle.
You have a fanatic angry obsession about something that is so off the wall I couldn’t care less.
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Mr Ben-Gurion I heard of but this Mr. Ben-ghazi doesn’t ring a bell. Was he a Zionist?
Sorry about that.
@ Max:
too bad you are unable to put as much energy into supporting your arguments as you do into writing silly comments.
as I said: put up or shut up 🙂
but then you can’t do either.
You are exceedingly boring.
times a wasting on this triviality
bye bye
@ Bernard Ross:
Nothing silly abut this – you are very very angry, it has unbalanced you. I suggest you pay up and start treatment.
I must request you to pay because I need nothing out of this and in client oriented therapy the therapist must retain control of the situation. If and when you are institutionalized, that will be a different story.
$ 100 $ please, before we start.
@ Max:
Bernard Ross Said:
7 Things We Learned from the Benghazi Whistleblower Hearing
Bryan Preston – PJ Media, May 8th, 2013
http://unitycoalitionforisrael.org/news/?p=9351
@ Bernard Ross:
Your problem looks more and more serious. I can see why you have sought me out for help.
$ 100 $ please, before we start.
@ Max:
You admit that you are unable to back up your statements with a single shred of support.
You run away like a child making silly comments.
I repeat again:
Bernard Ross Said:
I repeat: put up or shut up 🙂
are you going to continue hiding behind silly comments?
@ Bernard Ross:
I’m charging you 100 dollars a response. That’s real cheap compared to the cost of psychotherapy these days. You can make it payable to any relief organization for the civilian victims of the Syrian revolution.
Make the payment , show me the reciept and I’ll continue these psychotherapeutic sessions for you.
Max Said:
Just as I thought, a pathetic empty suit with a mouth, who comes here to call names but is unable to backup with support the ludicrous comments he makes.
as I already stated:
Bernard Ross Said:
as they say: put up or shut up 🙂
@ Bernard Ross:
Yadda, yadda , round and round, I guess this is some kind of psychotherapeutic cathartic release for you. I am performing a psychological service for you, so you need to pay me before I make any more responses to you.
Max Said:
Yet you are unable to support your statement or refute mine. actually it is Aaron Klein whose theories of Benghazi and the arming of Syrian rebels you are commenting on. Read the article and make a serious refutation, or perhaps you are only able to give rebukes without support or evidence. In fact, I notice you rarely give examples or support for your statements which tend to be rebukes. Is it that you do not have the ability to reason or just that you enjoy the process of name calling for its own satisfaction?
Read the article (link below) which I offered to support the comment below, which you ridiculed, and then make a reasoned rebuttal. Anything else is just masturbation.
href=”#comment-276773″ title=”Go to comment of this author”>Bernard Ross Said:
http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2013/05/08/hillary-perjured-herself-on-benghazi-more-of-her-testimony-called-into-question/<a
Max Said:
To what explanation are you comparing Kleins assertions? The first “simple” explanation for Benghazi has already been discredited, so it appears has the notion that the US is not already supplying arms to the rebels. What is the simpler explanation, to which you subscribe, that caused you to refer to Ockham’s razor?
Max Said:
This is not ad hominem attacks – this is rebuke by comparative analogy. Your statements are absurd and on the same level as aliens from mars and conspiracy terrorists of 1776.
And I repeat:
You will have to use Ockham’s razor just to get started in using Ockham’s razor. You and Felix are two sides of the same coin.
Max Said:
Thanks for the insults, but ad hominem attacks are not a contribution in and of themselves. You can read for yourself if you have any interest in other perspectives. This one article, read to the end, will give some background; the MSM has been corroborating his assertions.
Do you believe the Obama story on the video and that the US has not been supplying the syrian rebels with arms and jihadists?
http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2013/05/08/hillary-perjured-herself-on-benghazi-more-of-her-testimony-called-into-question/
Bernard Ross Said:
Was that with the help of the aliens from Area 51? Was the American Revolution a False Flag Saudi Operation by 18th Century Jihadists?
You will have to use Ockham’s razor just to get started in using Ockham’s razor.
Max Said:
My understanding is that this has already been going on for a long time but through the Saudis and Qataris. I read that months ago a saudi prince was directed to croatia for a large arms supply, by the CIA. The whole benghazi incident is said to be that the US was coordinating the flow of arms, and jihadis, with the sauds and quataris from the Libya arena to the Syrian arena primarily through, and in coordination with Turkey. I expect that the US admin wanted to keep it all quiet because it would draw attention to the indirect links to the jihadis through the Sauds/Qataris. I also think that the reason that Qatar has come into the limelight is that the Saudis needed to play down these links. I found that Aaron Klein of Klein online(http://kleinonline.wnd.com/) has been a good source for info on benghazi and the links to syria. Something that no one is saying re Benghazi stand down is that there is the possibility that all those on the ground knew too much. Going even further: a public awareness of how the US works with the saudis and their jihadis in Syria and lIbya would shine an uncomfortable light on Benghazi and on the entire history of the relationship going back to the 1980’s Afghanistan. It would bring into question the nature of the “hiatus” in that relationship.
When Israel takes out the weapons no one gets to use them. The revolution so far is a great bonus to Israel. The next big event in this will be about the chemical weapons – this is a wild card.
Felix Quigley Said:
Debka claims many things some of which are true. Israel has often posited itself on humanitarian missions. Israel may have designs to secure a buffer zone, possibly in alliance with others and possibly not. Israel is painting itself as choosing no sides and being humanitarian. I consider this to be exactly the wise strategy under the current circumstances. Any fighting that Israel may do against the current forces is better done against a force which is weaker than it was before. the prime consideration for Israel would be the weakening of hezbullah and Syria so as to avoid their terror and any blowback if Israel strikes Iran. Israel must consider all the resulting possibilities including a Syria ruled by jihadis, the current equation, a balkanized syria, an ongoing stalemate, etc. Israel must be pragmatic and cannot pretend that there is a better side in this struggle, There are only enemies. Stalin and Hitler made a non aggression Pact then churchill and stalin allied against germany. It is often said that Hitlers greatest error was in attacking russia prematurely and bringing russia into the war on the side of the allies. There is more to military strategy than I am aware of but some things are commonsense. Ideologies often leave the realm of common sense.
The US is not going to arm the rebels , Kerry was there to start a “peace negotiation” to which Putin replied “yeah, sure the cheque is in the mail” and after which Kerry Reported to Obama – operational success in successfully obfuscating the public and continuing to do nothing.
Felix Quigley Said @ yamit:
You obviusly have not been reading my posts which link many recent developments together including, Pal faux state; Jordan/pal confed;hamas/qatari/MB/egypt cease fire; Qatar request to invest in gaza to Israel; Offshore gaza gas and qatars existing gas field(worlds largest); BB concessions to Pal; Qatari/saudi funded jihadis in syria; Turkish/kurdish cease fire; Turkish/Israel apology and renewed security cooperation;plus more things. all of these point to a cooperation re Iran which is primarily based in the reasonable GCC fear that Iran wants to gobble them up. Hence the Iran talk which you think is a departure but which has been ongoing. read current events through glasses which do not involve trotsky(you brought him up fiirst) then perhaps you will see more clearly.
yamit82 Said:
He’s annoyed becuase he threatened Syria for months with attacks, buffer zones, etc and never did anything. I think syria even shot their plane down and he did nothing. Israel threatened no one but clearly stated their red lines and then attacked. erdogan’s blowhard buffoonery was once more confirmed. No sunni jihadi pints and credentials for him.
from your Forward link”
I dont buy this statement. I have come to the belief that everything going on is related and generally prior agreed including the gaza cease-fire,the pal faux state, the jordan confed talk, the pal and hamas quiet, the saudi quatari jihadis defanging of the Iran proxies, new GCC peace offer, etc. Of course I could be wrong, but I beleive there is wide scale coordination and cooperation in play and the GCC has recognized and fears the dangers of Irans gobbling them up. I believe that they see that the persians have been able to hijack their own anti Israel card and used it to mobilize the arab street against the arab monarchies. It is the GCC fears that caused the US to act. The jihadis are the GCC part of the cooperation plus their leashing, defanging and weakening of syria, hezbullah, hamas. Israel cannot be seen to choose sides for the obvious reasons but also because it would damage the enlistment of the groups employed in the deal: sunni jihadis, kurds,azaeris. I think it is one of those situations of indirect cooperation coordinated by the US. Israel will likely proceed with caution and scepticism but so far it is unfolding as I predicted for months. a determining sign will be what the sunni jihadis do vs Israel, will they concentrate next on hezbullah,shia iraq or focus on Israel. I believe they will focus on hezbullah and Iraq and then Iran. I don’t think their purpose is necessarily to bring them down as much as weaken them. It will be interesting to see to what extent the saudis/Qataris control the jihadis they fund. If their next focus is hezbullah and iraq then we see there is a widespread plan and a cooperation involving quid pro quos.
@Felix Quigley
Israel don’t need no stinkin’ Trotskyism!
Debka is claiming Israel is helping the rebels AGAINST ASSAD on the border via hospital services. I ask Yamit82 and Ross if they agree.
I will just deal with the attack of Yamit82, I consider what Devolin says of Little consequence. Yamit keeps repatingthat I am a LIAR. That is fairly new on Israpundit.
But I am not. I claim that Yamit82 took up a position on Mubarak that FACILITATED the Muslim Brotherhood taking state power in Egypt. That is easily probable as it is in the archives.
In the present this guy goes from bad to worse as in this:
How absurd can this guy get?
He claims that the Chinese Stalinist bureaucracy is not antisemitic!!!
He says something about Iran above that is a completely new departure for Israpundit.
It seems that Yamit82 can say just about anything on Israpundit without being challenged.
@ Bernard Ross:
Israeli attacks in Syria aimed at Hezbollah, not as aid to rebels
What Israel Air Strikes on Syria Reveal About Blueprint for Iran Attack
Will U.S. Get Advance Warning of Attack on Nukes?
Read more: http://forward.com/articles/176165/what-israel-air-strikes-on-syria-reveal-about-blue/?p=all#ixzz2Si8jyGrr
@ Bernard Ross:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/search/?q=jordan&submit=
@ Bernard Ross:
Turkish PM criticizes Israeli airstrikes on Syria saying they strengthen Assad
By Associated Press, Published: May 7
ANKARA, Turkey — Turkey’s prime minister has denounced Israeli airstrikes on Syria, saying the attacks help strengthen Syrian President Bashar Assad’s hand. ????????????????????????????
Bernard Ross Said:
I agree
Bernard Ross Said:
http://www.iaf.org.il/5642-35312-en/IAF.aspx
http://www.military.com/video/guided-missiles/cruise-missiles/israel-delilah-missile-vs-truck/1101157604001/
AMERICA REFUSED TO SELL ISRAEL CRUISE MISSILES SO WE MADE OUR OWN WITH IMPROVEMENTS OF COURSE!!
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/india-to-buy-israeli-spyder-mobile-air-defense-system-02702/
Shock claim: Israeli airstrike coordinated with al-Qaida-linked rebels. Jihadists advance throughout Syria immediately after today’s bomb attack
http://kleinonline.wnd.com/2013/05/05/shock-claim-israeli-airstrike-coordinated-with-al-qaida-linked-rebels-jihadists-advance-throughout-syria-immediately-after-todays-bomb-attack/
yamit82 Said:
Who do you believe is their primary target? I think GCC states(land, oil, money and a more realistic target for success)
the delilah and spyder links are blocked in the US
Felix Quigley Said:
I never said it was no concern of mine. Again you are a liar show the exact quote.
I have attacked you as both a “Trotskyist” and also a LIAR. I could pile on a lot of other reasons to attack you but those two are sufficient.
Felix Quigley Said:
Russia has always been the most antisemitic country in Europe. Most of it Orthodox Church inspired.
Jews living under Tsar Alexander III and his ministers, resulted in the May Laws of 1882 which severely restricted the civil rights of Jews within the Russian Empire. The Tsar’s minister Konstantin Petrovich Pobedonostsev stated the aim of the government with regard to the Jews was:
That “One third will die out,(will be murdered), one third will leave the country and one third will be completely dissolved (assimilated) in the surrounding population”. Hitler had his model well before the Nazis came to power.
China to the best of my knowledge has never been antisemitic, most until recently never heard of Jews.
Like a true Commie you are also a liar and an historical revisionist.
I don’t believe despite the rhetoric from Iran that Israel is either their first or even primary target objective.
In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Arab forces were overwhelming Israeli forces and Prime Minister Golda Meir authorized a nuclear alert and ordered 13 atomic bombs be readied for use by missiles and aircraft. The Israeli Ambassador warned President Nixon of “very serious conclusions” if the United States did not airlift supplies. Nixon complied. This is seen by some commentators on the subject as the first threat of the use of the Samson Option
Military historian Martin van Creveld, thought that the Al-Aqsa Intifada then in progress threatened Israel’s existence. Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst’s “The Gun and the Olive Branch” (2003) as saying:
“Israel has been building nuclear weapons for 30 years. The Jews understand what passive and powerless acceptance of doom has meant for them in the past, and they have ensured against it. Masada was not an example to follow—it hurt the Romans not a whit, but Samson in Gaza? What would serve the Jew-hating world better in repayment for thousands of years of massacres but a Nuclear Winter. Or invite all those tut-tutting European statesmen and peace activists to join us in the ovens? For the first time in history, a people facing extermination while the world either cackles or looks away—unlike the Armenians, Tibetans, World War II European Jews or Rwandans—have the power to destroy the world. The ultimate justice?” ( In 2002, the Los Angeles Times published an opinion piece by Louisiana State University professor David Perlmutter which Jewish author Ron Rosenbaum writes “goes so far as to justify” a Samson Option approach)
“President Xi”
And f*** President Xi too.
“You are living in some kind of imaginary world.”
Again, couldn’t agree with you more, Max. It’s called “severe neurosis.”
@ yamit82:
Spyder ADS
Felix Quigley Said:
– Delilah missile
Felix Quigley Said:
Israel through Greece has evaluated the S-300 and has developed our own solutions to the potential threat.
A rather unknown part of the Helleno-Israeli strategic cooperation is the SPICE 1000 and SPICE 2000 Precision bomb systems for the Hellenic Air Force. Here’s some info available on the web:
Spice converts a standard MK-83 or MK-84 bomb into a stand-off autonomous weapon system with high accuracy in all operational scenarios.
Rafael SPICE
Precision Weapon Guidance Kit
Israel warns Russia: We’ll neutralize S-300 if sold to Iran and Syria. Russia cancelled her contract with Iran and returned the deposit to Iran. If Israel has a counter to the S-300 or any of it’s upgrades then russia stands to lose billions of export dollars so they won’t put it to the test.
If Russia goes through with the sale of its most advanced anti-aircraft missile system to Iran, Israel will use an electronic warfare device now under development to neutralize it and as a result present Russia as vulnerable to air infiltrations, a top defense official has told The Jerusalem Post.
The Russian system, called the S-300, is one of the most advanced multi-target anti-aircraft-missile systems in the world today and has a reported ability to track up to 100 targets simultaneously while engaging up to 12 at the same time. It has a range of about 200 kilometers and can hit targets at altitudes of 27,000 meters.
While Russia has denied that it sold the system to Iran, Iran already has TOR-M1 surface-to-air missiles from Russia.
Felix Quigley Said:
This is correct and obvious.
Felix Quigley Said:
Discussion? There has never been any discussion about what you are doing – people just denounce you – every single person on this site – you have no allies in Israel , not a single soul that I know of. You are living in some kind of imaginary world.
F*** putin.
Perhaps Arnold and others here at Israpundit advocating an Israeli alliance with Russia and China as a replacement for America should rethink that idea. As problematic as it may be in dealing with the US government, China and Russia are far more ruthless. Do you really want to replace dependence on one power with a far more ruthless power? And at least the American people support Israel.
“Putin shows utter contempt for the USA – and the contempt is deserved. Imagine what the West and Obama look like to those tough Russians – our countries overrun by Jihadists, milksop vacillating military policies, stand by and let Iran get the bomb – we grow our own terrorists to blow up our own cities , we let Jihadists post hate ads in the NYC subways. Kerry and Obama is a Joke – I would have let him stew all day and then cancelled for the next day.”
couldn’t agree with you more, Max. Well said.
Felix Quigley Said:
I was not attacking you as a trotskyite but as an ideologue who wishes to further his ideology at the expense of israel. i do not know what troskyism is and am uninterested in looking it up. I do not want to silence you, I encourage you to keep speaking up.
thank goodness, you have saved the world!
Felix Quigley Said:
I think that makes more sense than Israel sending in troops to fight the jihadists in order to defend Assad,breaking ties with obama and getting nothing in return, improving the position of syria/iran/hezbullah/russia alliance and then threatening russia and China with attack. Your ideas are muddled and contradictory, leading nowhere good.
In spite of the massive danger which loomed due to MB takeover, which I warned would happen, Israel has made remarkable achievements. the MB is destroying the hamas smuggling tunnels, hamas is under fire from the egyptian military, hamas has been put on a tight leash by egypt/Qatar, links between hamas and iran are being destroyed. they have made lemonade from lemons. this is not to say there is no great danger as there will always gbe great danger with the neighbors and the “big boys” just as there always has been. Do you think that Israel should have invaded egypt to support and protect Mubarak?
Felix Quigley Said:
Absolutely ludicrous that you advocate that Israel defend Syria. What would be the quid pro quo?
Felix Quigley Said:
So you will have Israel break with Obama then defend Assad and then attack Russia? So you think that being an enemy of both sides is better than being a supporter of neither?
Felix Quigley Said:
LOL. I am sure that after that explanation the world will reverse its policies.
Most of your suggestions are about what Israel should “state”. More important is to Do. the more I read of your idea is the more I believe that Israel has done exactly the right thing so far in the situation. It is a very dangerous situation which requires careful walking through a minefield and suggestions such as yours make no sense. With your suggestions Israel creates enemies before the necessity arises to do so. thank goodness you will never make any decisions anywhere.
Debka here is reporting the total bankruptcy of Netanyahu and the present Israeli elite. It also totally condemns the politics of Yamit82 and Ross and Donelan also. Let me explain:
WHAT ISRAEL SHOULD HAVE DONE
Israel should have said to the world “We are opposed to the Obama/Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qaida led Jihad on Syria, and we defend Assad against this Jihad. At the same time we are not dropping our guard against Assad, in particular with his alliance with our worst enemies iran and its proxies Hizbullah and Hamas, and we reserve all rights to stop Syrian arms reaching our enemies.”
WHAT ISRAEL HAS DONE
Israel has said nothing to the world. It has treated the Jihad against Assad as of none of its concern. But in the real world it is impossible to do just that. Israel was not able to opt out, to sit on the proverbial fence as it were. Sitting on the proverbial fence in this case is an endorsement of the Obama/Al Qaida Jihad on Syria. So when Israel strikes against convoys on their way to Hizbullah, which it is fully entitled under all rules of war to do, then it is seen in the context of its snuggling up to Obama, which Netanyahu and his ruling Government of Israel has been doing, even though the great majority of Israelis have nothing but hatred for Obama. That is a real problem right there for Jews in Israel as a direct result of a weak Jewish leadership in Israel.
WHAT RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE DOING
These are nations which are Antisemitic as a result of Stalinist influences, and also are Antisemitic in the same sense that the countries of Europe such as Britain, France and Ireland to name but three, are Antisemitic in their pro-Palestinianism, and their backing of Iran in its pursuit of the Nuclear Bomb is absolutely obvious. Another point here though which must be grasped. Russia and China fear, and have every right to fear the Imperialism of the United States Governments and Elites, and they have learned the bitter lessons from the murder by the Obama and Cameron backed Jihad of Muammar Gadhafi. And so the US Government and Obama in particular, but this applies to all of them, not least the George Bush/Condoleeza Rice combo when in power, has landed Israel right in the middle of the deepest crisis of its history bar none, because with iran continuing to get its hands on the Nuclear Bomb, it is totally and without the slightest question or doubt, an existentialist for all Jews.
WHAT ISRAEL MUST DO
As Iran piles its Jihadist killers into the critical south of Syria and as these killers stare across the border fence at the Israeli soldiers, and as Russia and China are telling Netanyahu that Russia will intervene, supply Assad with S-300 Air Defence Systems, thus at a stroke making any defence of Israel against the massive arming of Hizbullah inoperable, not forgetting that Hizbullah is already heavily armed by iran, then only the one option is open to Israel, which we will put in these points:
1. Israel must break definitively from Obama and his Jihad and must in an independent manner state that it Israel defends Assad against the Obama/Al Qaida Jihad
2. Israel must state that it defends its right to protect its people, and this means stopping by force any attempt by Assad in alliance with the Fascist Mullahs of Iran to arm the enemies of Israel, which are on the borders of Israel, and are a direct threat to Jewish lives.
3. Israel must state clearly to Russia and China, to Obama, to the EU, and to anybody interested that if Russia supplies Assad with S-300 Air Defence Systems that it Israel will take them out by whatever method is necessary, and that this is an existentialist issue for Israel and for the Jews. Furthermore Israel must explain in a systematic manner to the world, and to anybody interested, the danger to Israel from Hizbullah and other enemies, especially Iran. On that basis people must chose where they stand. This is not an appeal in any sense for assistance, this is rather a statement OF REALITY.
Now let us go back and look closely a the politics of Yamit82 and others on this very site.
Yamit82 said what happens between Mubarak and Obama/Muslim Brotherhood was of no concern of his. The result was that the Muslim Brotherhood took state power in its hands and the Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qaida is given a great boost. The Muslim Brotherhood is thus going for the grand sweep.
How has that been in the interests of Israel!? Israel is now threatened as never before.
Now as Debka so clearly outlines in this article tiny Israel has run up against the big boys, and there are none bigger than China and Russia.
In theory Israel could follow the advice of Yamit and Ross and just sit back and wait, then zap whatever arms are heading from this hell hole which is Syria and which as Yamit82 pointed out correctly has been created by the US. In this regard Jared Israel had a theory of the US ruling by means of chaos. Is that what we have here?
So according to Debka Israel is now ham-tied and the lives of Israelis are threatened as never before. And Ross has been arguing that Israel is in a stronger position than it was before the downfall of Mubarak, Gadhafi et al.
I really cannot see it and I doubt if one in ten thousands of Israelis could see it like Ross either.
Now I can see or begin to see why Ross was attacking me as a Trotskyist and say I was jumping on the back of the Jewish movement for my own advantage. He wants to silence the discussion and carry on with his bankrupt political method which is throwing the lives of millions of Jews into greater and greater danger. Thank goodness I spoke up. I am proud to have spoken up.
Putin shows utter contempt for the USA – and the contempt is deserved. Imagine what the West and Obama look like to those tough Russians – our countries overrun by Jihadists, milksop vacillating military policies, stand by and let Iran get the bomb – we grow our own terrorists to blow up our own cities , we let Jihadists post hate ads in the NYC subways. Kerry and Obama is a Joke – I would have let him stew all day and then cancelled for the next day.
USA is now the declining power.
“Putin, however, kept John Kerry waiting three hours before their meeting at the Kremlin, fiddled with a pen while his guest spoke and made no mention in his own public remarks of the conflict in Syria, which has generated some of the frostiest exchanges between Washington and Moscow since the Cold War.”
http://news.yahoo.com/kerry-tells-putin-u-russia-share-common-interests-143632575.html