“Well, the good part is that once Ukrainian soldiers surrender, they are treated very well. They get food, water, clothing, and medical care.
They are allowed to call their families and the families feel reassured.”
What! That’s all? That’s a war crime.
@Vivarto
Yes, it really was a special military operation. The purpose behind the military operation was not to bludgeon the population into a ruinous state such that the localities would bear the scars of war til the next century, as was true in Yugoslavia, Libya and Iraq. The purpose was to effect a victory while preventing as much death and mayhem as possible to the locals. This is why targeting power and cell service has not been a priority as it was when the US/NATO marked such things before the first boot is put on the ground. Referring back to Grozney, it is well known that Russia knows quite well how to effect that sort of war. What took place in the Dombas, however, has been quite another thing altogether, and not necessarily without costs to Russia on the ground, as there is a purpose behind such actions taking priority, and a cost when such actions are set aside til necessary. That being said, the scars of war will be with these wretches for some time to come, having suffered 8yrs of murder and chaos, as well as the effects of the brutal task of Russia dislodging the formidable Azov and Ukrainian Marines in this special military operation. Indeed the greatest scars will persist from the trauma and personal losses suffered upon the people, long after the cities are structurally rebuilt and the ruble is pulled from sight. Such scars as these will obviously remain no matter the tactics employed.
Good news is that in Mariupol the reconstruction is already taking place.
The first city busses are running.
Several buildings have already restored electricity and still more have now running water.
There is intense work or repairing the port of Mariupol.
People get food and water the danger is over.
Other cities under control are doing much better.
Kherson is functioning, people go to work, kids to schools, where they can speak their native Russian language.
Stores and banks are functioning and the Russian Rubels has replaced the Ukrainian Grivni.
@peloni1986
Well, the good part is that once Ukrainian soldiers surrender, they are treated very well. They get food, water, clothing, and medical care.
They are allowed to call their families and the families feel reassured.
This is about the normal Ukrainian soldiers.
The members of the Nazi battalions on the other hand are treated as suspected war criminals. They are most likely going to face a tribunal and investigated for committing inhumanities and crimes against humanity in Donbas.
Currently there is a moratorium on death penalty in Russia, but there are some in Russian parliament who call on ending the moratorium so that the Nazis who committed cruel inhuman crimes can be sentenced to death.
In reference to my first post below, here is a report describing some of what I suggested:
A Ukrainian war prisoner, Viktor Golubtsov, told me that neither he nor the other mobilized people had received any training and were immediately thrown into battle.
In the same battle, he surrendered.
Very sad.
Very good depiction of events in a 4min clip that fairly displays a good bit of detail leading to the 2014 coup in the first 3min. Too bad they did not continue on with similar detail to display the Crimean annexation, the two Dombas wars, and the many things that happened since.
The consequence of this ridiculously obvious gun running scheme which is simultaneously supported with a ridiculously obvious cash money laundering scheme, provides a double hurt that will be carried by the Ukrainian people, alone. The cash and arms are being sent to Ukraine without any oversight to a govt that has, in 30yrs, provided the model of how not to make a profit, despite their massive resources and crops always satisfying foreign purchases. Under the current war, the Ukrainian economy is quite dead, with their resource rich lands under a state of war, and Ukrainian mines floating in the Black Sea, so there is no way to export what meager products might possibly be gathered from the mines or from the fields. Ukraine additionally has cutoff one of the major pipelines going thru their lands, presumably to threaten the Europeans to support them and thereby deny themselves additionally of their commission on the reduced piped gas flow. As Europe is trying to purchase as much Russian gas as possible to support their needs for the coming winter, this has seriously compromised their position of independence in supporting Ukraine, and they recognize the threat is real, both the threat of closing the remaining pipeline by Ukraine as well as the European terror that they might have to live up to their faux rhetoric against their dependence on Russian sourced fuel. As is well known, no one crosses the Mafia twice, so Ukraine will receive their extorted payments and arms without hesitation, and with increasing amounts no doubt.
So while the Mafia state will receive its payments, the Ukrainian people are not being paid to manage their stifled economy. In fact, to support the Ukrainian model of their endless war, endless to the end of their Ukrainian recruits, the only source for income in this war by the Ukrainian people, besieged by Russian tanks on one side and a dead economy on the other, will be to stop hiding from the Ukrainian press gangs and join the ranks as untrained cannon fodder to be paid to serve in place of the slaughtered battle trained dead, to live or die in the defense of their increasingly rumped dominion. The one positive outlook left to them will be to finally be surrounded by the Russians, cutoff from the control of their govt, and, once surrendered, barring Nazi tattoos or charges, live out the war fed in some Russian POW camp under the command of the Dombassian wretches that they supported warring upon over the past decade. It is a terrible choice left for the Ukrainians, of course, seeing that they have no more choice in their lot, having chosen long ago to tolerate the path leading us all to this point, but choices have consequences, and some choices simply lead to the lack of any real options due to previous choices to support obvious villainy, as was the choice they chose when tolerating the oppressive turpitude of their corrupted govt against their nation’s minority victims.
Many lessons to learn here for all.
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@Vivarto
“Well, the good part is that once Ukrainian soldiers surrender, they are treated very well. They get food, water, clothing, and medical care.
They are allowed to call their families and the families feel reassured.”
What! That’s all? That’s a war crime.
https://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/prison-service-cuts-fatah-terrorists-cable-tv-to-10-channels-hamas-to-5/2021/02/24/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/prison-commander-says-female-idf-soldiers-were-pimped-to-terrorist-inmates/
https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/1026-palestinian-prisoner-terrorists-enrolled-in-university-report-598365
@Vivarto
Yes, it really was a special military operation. The purpose behind the military operation was not to bludgeon the population into a ruinous state such that the localities would bear the scars of war til the next century, as was true in Yugoslavia, Libya and Iraq. The purpose was to effect a victory while preventing as much death and mayhem as possible to the locals. This is why targeting power and cell service has not been a priority as it was when the US/NATO marked such things before the first boot is put on the ground. Referring back to Grozney, it is well known that Russia knows quite well how to effect that sort of war. What took place in the Dombas, however, has been quite another thing altogether, and not necessarily without costs to Russia on the ground, as there is a purpose behind such actions taking priority, and a cost when such actions are set aside til necessary. That being said, the scars of war will be with these wretches for some time to come, having suffered 8yrs of murder and chaos, as well as the effects of the brutal task of Russia dislodging the formidable Azov and Ukrainian Marines in this special military operation. Indeed the greatest scars will persist from the trauma and personal losses suffered upon the people, long after the cities are structurally rebuilt and the ruble is pulled from sight. Such scars as these will obviously remain no matter the tactics employed.
Good news is that in Mariupol the reconstruction is already taking place.
The first city busses are running.
Several buildings have already restored electricity and still more have now running water.
There is intense work or repairing the port of Mariupol.
People get food and water the danger is over.
Other cities under control are doing much better.
Kherson is functioning, people go to work, kids to schools, where they can speak their native Russian language.
Stores and banks are functioning and the Russian Rubels has replaced the Ukrainian Grivni.
@peloni1986
Well, the good part is that once Ukrainian soldiers surrender, they are treated very well. They get food, water, clothing, and medical care.
They are allowed to call their families and the families feel reassured.
This is about the normal Ukrainian soldiers.
The members of the Nazi battalions on the other hand are treated as suspected war criminals. They are most likely going to face a tribunal and investigated for committing inhumanities and crimes against humanity in Donbas.
Currently there is a moratorium on death penalty in Russia, but there are some in Russian parliament who call on ending the moratorium so that the Nazis who committed cruel inhuman crimes can be sentenced to death.
In reference to my first post below, here is a report describing some of what I suggested:
Very sad.
Very good depiction of events in a 4min clip that fairly displays a good bit of detail leading to the 2014 coup in the first 3min. Too bad they did not continue on with similar detail to display the Crimean annexation, the two Dombas wars, and the many things that happened since.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/q5302tdgxuhumtc/Greg%20Reese%20Clip.mov?dl=0
The consequence of this ridiculously obvious gun running scheme which is simultaneously supported with a ridiculously obvious cash money laundering scheme, provides a double hurt that will be carried by the Ukrainian people, alone. The cash and arms are being sent to Ukraine without any oversight to a govt that has, in 30yrs, provided the model of how not to make a profit, despite their massive resources and crops always satisfying foreign purchases. Under the current war, the Ukrainian economy is quite dead, with their resource rich lands under a state of war, and Ukrainian mines floating in the Black Sea, so there is no way to export what meager products might possibly be gathered from the mines or from the fields. Ukraine additionally has cutoff one of the major pipelines going thru their lands, presumably to threaten the Europeans to support them and thereby deny themselves additionally of their commission on the reduced piped gas flow. As Europe is trying to purchase as much Russian gas as possible to support their needs for the coming winter, this has seriously compromised their position of independence in supporting Ukraine, and they recognize the threat is real, both the threat of closing the remaining pipeline by Ukraine as well as the European terror that they might have to live up to their faux rhetoric against their dependence on Russian sourced fuel. As is well known, no one crosses the Mafia twice, so Ukraine will receive their extorted payments and arms without hesitation, and with increasing amounts no doubt.
So while the Mafia state will receive its payments, the Ukrainian people are not being paid to manage their stifled economy. In fact, to support the Ukrainian model of their endless war, endless to the end of their Ukrainian recruits, the only source for income in this war by the Ukrainian people, besieged by Russian tanks on one side and a dead economy on the other, will be to stop hiding from the Ukrainian press gangs and join the ranks as untrained cannon fodder to be paid to serve in place of the slaughtered battle trained dead, to live or die in the defense of their increasingly rumped dominion. The one positive outlook left to them will be to finally be surrounded by the Russians, cutoff from the control of their govt, and, once surrendered, barring Nazi tattoos or charges, live out the war fed in some Russian POW camp under the command of the Dombassian wretches that they supported warring upon over the past decade. It is a terrible choice left for the Ukrainians, of course, seeing that they have no more choice in their lot, having chosen long ago to tolerate the path leading us all to this point, but choices have consequences, and some choices simply lead to the lack of any real options due to previous choices to support obvious villainy, as was the choice they chose when tolerating the oppressive turpitude of their corrupted govt against their nation’s minority victims.
Many lessons to learn here for all.