TRUMP DOESN’T KNOW F”K ALL ABOUT THE CONFLICT.
Ahead of Israel trip, Trump places onus for lack of peace deal on Israel, saying it has to prove if it’s ‘willing to sacrifice.’
Ahead of his trip to Israel this month, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump revealed in an interview Thursday that forcing peace talks on Israel will head his priorities if elected – and that the onus for the lack of peace lies on the Jewish state, not the Palestinian Authority (PA).
“I have a real question as to whether or not both sides want to make it,” Trump told The Associated Press, clarifying that he has more concerns regarding “one side in particular.”
“A lot will have to do with Israel and whether or not Israel wants to make the deal – whether or not Israel’s willing to sacrifice certain things,” Trump said. “They may not be, and I understand that, and I’m OK with that. But then you’re just not going to have a deal.”
Trump’s focus on Israel may strike some as ironic, given that the state is currently embroiled in an Arab terror wave that PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas has actively encouraged, recently calling the murder of Jews “peaceful.”
The real estate guru promised: “if I win, I’ll let you know six months from the time I take office” whether or not a peace deal is possible.
“I think if I get elected, that would be something I’d really like to do,” said Trump without specifying how he would achieve an elusive peace deal. “Because so much death, so much turmoil, so much hatred – that would be to me a great achievement. As a single achievement, that would be a really great achievement.”
Trump’s gung ho approach to starting up peace talks may raise concerns, given how they echo US President Barack Obama’s insistence on addressing the issue. US Secretary of State John Kerry forced through nine-month-long talks starting in late 2013, that the PA torpedoed in April 2014 when it signed a unity deal with Hamas. The talks were accompanied by an upswing in terror attacks.
Judea-Samaria building a ‘huge sticking point’
Trump said he would meet early with top regional leaders, visiting Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu “sometime after Christmas, probably.”
“You know, I’m going to be probably going over there pretty soon and I want to see him, I want to see other people, I want to get some ideas on it,” said Trump, who claimed he was a “big, big fan” of Israel.
According to the businessman, the only way to solve the Israel-Palestinian issue is “if you had a real dealmaker, somebody that knew what he or she is doing. I’ll be able to tell in one sit-down meeting with the real leaders.”
While avoiding specifics about whether the PA’s demands are legitimate, Trump called Israeli construction in Judea and Samaria a “huge sticking point” in talks.
Asked if his goal is a two-state solution, by which Israel would be divided to create a “Palestine,” he said, “well, I’m not going to even say that.”
But he expressed his enthusiasm at the prospect of making a peace deal, saying, “if you can make that deal, you can make any deal. It’s probably the toughest deal to make.”
Regarding the prospect of peace, In late October PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas said all of Israel is “the occupation,” showing his intentions to conquer the entire state, and last month he revealed for the first time that he rejected the offer of a Palestinian state back in 2008.
Abbas, whose term in office officially ended in January 2009, gave credence in June to calls by Jewish nationalists arguing that a Palestinian state should be set up in Jordan, when he called Jordanian and Palestinian Arabs “one people living in two states.”
@ bernard ross:
We agree.
watsa46 Said:
I see no quote of Trump stating that he said those words and everything in this article which is in quote marks infers the opposite: that he wants to wait to find out what the parties have to say, that he is willing to accept that a deal may not be possible. This article is misleading and reads inferences that do not exist in fact.
this is the reference in the article above:
This is not a quote but rather the authors slant on the interview which I find inaccurate and misleading…. perhaps intentionally as all the establishment are out to get Trump with their hired media.
Does anybody knows what exactly Trump implied/meant when he stated that he will force a deal???
One overwhelming characteristic of the Trump MO is exactly to not propose specificities!!!
So let us not rush one way or another please.
Is Trump willing and able to trump Muhammad?
He will find out quickly that Israel is NOT the problem.
P.S.: I am still waiting for the FINAL Rubio plan on immigration!!!
Trump reveals his true colors. I’m backing Ted Cruz. Israel has done nothing but make sacrifices only to be hit with more terror. The Jewish state is already miniscule in size. I guess he doesn’t want to risk his business interests in muslim countries. Why is it that only Israel is expected to compromise with terrorists while every other country is allowed to fight them? Anyone not willing to declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel is a coward pandering to jihadists. Trump is a fraud despite his tough guy bluster.
Declaration of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel is a litmus test as to one’s moral courage and moral clarity and true willingness to fight muslim terror. Trump has failed that test. So too regarding his moral equivalence between Israel and the “Palestinians” by saying he doesn’t know if either side is committed to peace, as if Israel hasn’t made decades worth of sacrifices and risks while the other side has reponded with mass murder and declarations of Jewish genocide.
Conservatives are being hoodwinked by Trump. He is a fraud, his tough guy bluster is an act. His followers have become frighteningly cult-like in their worship of him. To them he can do no wrong and there is no convincing them that they are being duped. It’s as if they are under hypnosis. The more the media goes after him, the more Trump’s supporters circle the wagons. So there’s no point in attacking him.
We should have realized who he really is when his response to the Texas jihad at Pam Geller’s Mohammed cartoon event was to condemn Pam. But how quickly conservatives forgot and jumped on the Trump bandwagon once he talked of building a wall on our border with Mexico. From that moment on there was no stopping his momentum. The rest of the GOP field hasn’t helped with their feckless positions on major issues. Conservatives are desperate for leadership. But there is a genuine courageous conservative in the race, and he is Ted Cruz. I really hope the GOP base will rally around him instead of Trump. I was willing to give Trump a chance, but he has lost me with this Israel speech to the JRC.
Bear Klein Said:
LOL, this is the same BS argument the globalists used to get folks to buy their lies about lower prices from china. american had no problem attracting talent but marcos globalist handlers want cheaper costs to themselves by firing american workers to hire foreign “talent”. the “lower” prices were only lower to the large US international corps who got lower production costs using unfair competitive child labor, passed on the real higher costs to the average low income taxpayer in lost jobs, unemeployment and welfare costs. Meanwhile the big corps enjoy free access to the american consumption engine while showing low profits made in the US and sheltering the profits made abroad plus enjoying tax breaks for “creating jobs”. Yes, the mantra of the establishment corps is “competition” and free trade…. but only to their advantage. they have used both parties, over 30 years to ship the jobs, production and capital to China where the US consumption engine grew the Chinese communist, centrally planned economy, with restricted access and restricted competition, at the rate of 10% per year. The TPP is the real story with Iran and the terror as the red herrings: the final nail in the coffin was delivered with the top secret TPP in a collaboration between Obama and the GOP establishment and hardly anyone paid attention. It is not a trade document but a document protecting the legal and economic interests of international corps……… because the 30 years of building the communist nation has now resulted in it starting to make the switch to a consumption driven economy and those international corps want their piece of the 1.5 billion consumers… not caring that much anymore about the paltry 350 million american consumers who previously drove the world economy. The TPP will allow them to make their profits and return none to the US, they will enjoy international status… all built on the backs of the american consumer. they destroyed the US economy for their own gain and anyone who thinks the same crooks will immprove the US economy is nuts…. the only economy they improved with their fraud is the Chinese centrally planned communist economy.
Rubio On Immigration
Voted with Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer to provide amnesty and maintain open borders.
Ted, Moderation record is what???
Marco doesn’t show up for his day job now. Being owned by Adelson is hardly a positive endorsement for the 21st century. Trump is Israel’s best hope, though most Jewish Americans will vote for the most Marxist candidate available. Shame on them!
Marco Rubio gives intelligent, eloquent speeches. He is rhetorically superb. Too bad that his words frequently are contradicted by his actions, and he therefore cannot be trusted. His brazen deception on amnesty was chillingly believable to the point where he might actually be a sociopath. Most politicians will look you in the eye and lie with what seems to be the greatest of sincerity, but he takes it to a Hall Of Fame level. Marco Rubio is to political treachery what Julia Child was to Cheese Soufflé:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrXfAjUH2bE
Rubio gets it and is clearly in a straight forward manner for Israel and Jews. People have to guess if Trump might understand anything or what he would do. I doubt if he has a clue what he would do. He is zigging and zagging on this issue because he does not understand it and is faking it.
Trump needs more than 25% of the Jewish American vote. Elections have consequences. He’ll certainly do better than a “Re-set” Button with Putin. Hopefully, he won’t be misled by myopic, and rather foolish, Neo-cons who seem to have no inkling of how a stable world should look. He’ll do more Right than Wrong, unlike the last four failed presidents. We know that Marxists + Muslims = Trouble for the troubled West, including Israel.
Sounds like hysteria .
Trump Anti-Israel? The world will be upside down.
I believe that Trump will issue a correction.
As for the FM, saying we have valid “property rights” which are supported by the Supreme Court, falls short of saying that we have the right to be sovereign over the land. It avoids the issue and just deals with the legality of the settlements. But it is a start down the right path.
Trump is not at all qualified to be president. Well, OK, he’s probably more qualified than the current “president”, but then, a stuffed toy elephant would probably be more qualified than Obama. And more honest and patriotic than Hillary.
There are three main problems with Trump, leaving aside the issue of Israel for a moment.
First, he has spent his life as a business leader. That is fine and dandy, but as such, not unlike a military leader, he is used to giving orders and expecting that they be followed. He can fire anyone who does not cooperate. He made an entire TV reality program based on the apparently sadistic self-indulgent pleasure he gets from firing people. Well, you can’t do that as president. You have to work with people who are powerful in their own right, and whom you cannot fire, such as powerful members of Congress, state governors, etc. You have to lead by convincing others to voluntarily cooperate with your agenda. Obama cannot do this, either, and it is one reason – besides being a scumbag traitor – that he has been a failure as a president.
Second, as a business leader, he has spent most of his working life dealing with other business people, who, like him, are interested primarily in making money. Having to make money tends to make one pragmatic. But many people that a president has to deal with on the world stage have never had to make money, and are motivated by very different agendas (e.g., ayatollahs). Trump says that he would “talk to Putin, get along with Putin”…Trump has no clue whatever about Putin. Trump has no clue whatever about history or international relations, or related issues such as military affairs.
Now, problems #1 and #2 I describe above would not necessarily be fatal shortcomings…if Trump was the sort of person who was open-minded and willing to learn, who would seek and act upon the wise counsel of those who are expert in such matters as I note above. But Trump has proven abundantly, by his demeanor and behavior, that he is not wiling to learn from others. He suffers from what I believe to be a relatively unique American cultural affliction whereby one who has made a lot of money tends to believe that due to this fact, they know everything about everything, and need no counsel from anyone. Ross Perot had this very same problem.
I don’t consider Trump to be an anti-Semite nor of a knee-jerk anti-Israel disposition; compared with Obama, Trump is practically David Ben-Gurion. But he is incredibly shallow and ignorant on relevant matters, and at the very least, if he were to be nominated and elected, we could expect a long and painful “learning curve” from him, or perhaps worse.
If he gets the nomination – and I don’t think he will, but I allow that I could be wrong – I would still vote for him over Hillary. I’d vote for Bozo the Clown over Hillary (which, in Trumps case, I’d be practically doing). But there is no way on G-d’s green earth that I would support Trump in the primaries. He is definitely in my bottom tier in terms of GOP candidates, down there with Rand Paul, Chris Christie, and Jeb Bush.
For what it’s worth, my own personal “top three” are Carson, Rubio, and Fiorina. I believe that, a massive vote-rigging effort by Hillary notwithstanding, a ticket featuring any two of these three, in any order, would be all but unbeatable. Carson and Fiorina may be inexperienced in the political arena as is the case with Trump, but unlike Trump, I think they’d be willing to learn, and Carson in particular has shown that he has a strong component of guts and integrity that would be nice to see in a president for a change. I like Cruz a lot, too; I think he is really the most qualified in the field overall, but I am worried about how electable he would be if he got the nomination.
One other thing that really annoys me about Trump is the way he has taken cheap shots at his opponents, such as Fiorina’s face or Rubio’s hairline and personal finances. The man has no class, really, and I think we need more maturity and bearing than that in the WH.
@ bernard ross:
Long ago I submitted to the Knesset and da president a request for judicial clarity. Has the people authorized the courtiers to extend their jurisdiction to Y & S? I mean, THE PEOPLE not the garbage they come from.
Does the purported and self elected courtiers pretending to be supreme… have Basic Law, (local concoction in lieu of a people approved constitution), provide jurisdiction to that ghastly caterva to act OUTSIDE the limits of the State as they themselves see fit to say they are at this time?
In Yehuda and Shomron. Judea and Samaria the judicial branch is wielded by the military. Fact.
The courtiers have assumed, as the creeping ensemble has done on other subjects, that they can pass judicial labeled wind there as well.
Their criminal overreach is equivalent to the supine court deciding cases in Iceland or New York.
Netanyahu is of course part and parcel of the aberration as he has always blocked legislation to correct the abuses of the gang in question.
Relying on any Hussein el Barrack bin Obama successor, be the item labeled for sale as a R or a d is suicidal. Two successive carnivals passing as elections over there provided solid evidence as to where the 8 ball settled. It is entirely the right of the US people to decide who to welcome and who is not welcome there. Just as much, aware people must observe reality as it is.
While Jews trying to escape Nazis where blocked out and today immigrant candidates from certain countries and US citizens living overseas and married to non US Citizens face terrible ordeals to return to the US, millions of Mexicans and Islamics enter the US freely.
The State Department remains aligned to total enmity against the State of Israel and us all.
Netanyhau can continue to prance, dance and make faces while speeching there and everywhere he runs to while avoiding acting against the Muslim and renegades assaulting all that is Jewish here.
The US has turned away from its Constitution, at least for the foreseeable future and has fallen squarely into Dulles and company’s lines.
Among the defined anti Israel gangs Trump is included.
We have heard enough to understand the facts.
babushka Said:
I read the article, and like this one it gives quotes out of context and is designed to make Trump look bad to jews
here is a twitter from the guy who wrote it:
both the gop establishment and the dem establishment dont want trump…. his foot is often in his mouth, but the articles are written with an agenda.
So long, Donald. Don’t let the door hit your anti-“Zionist” tuchus on the way out:
https://theintercept.com/2015/12/03/donald-trump-booed-by-pro-israel-group-after-telling-them-he-cant-be-bought/
That story was written by a Jew hater who is now smitten with Trump…and should be. Here is the account from The Atlantic:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/donald-trump-gop-israel/418737/
And the Washington Post:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/03/donald-trump-struggles-with-israel-question-at-republican-jewish-summit/
Hey, this guy was a Democrat until last year, so no surprise that he hates Israel. The surprise is that he was dumb enough to reveal it.
Bear Klein Said:
Jewish settlement legality west of the Jordan river was established with the LON mandate and not the Israel supreme court. It is absurd for a court who does not recognize the legal sovereignty of Israel over YS to have any credibility in establishing a legal basis for settlement. Long before the court the legality of Jewish, not Israeli, settlement was established in international law.
Is Hotovely a lawyer, because I am already skeptical based on the choice of wording: “valid property claims” infers commercial real property rights as opposed opposed to national sovereignty which is an entirely different legal area. Mexicans could own most of California but that would not give Mexico sovereignty.
Also, the phrase “Jewish affinity” shows an ignorance of the legal basis of the Jewish link to Israel in international law. The UK and the LON signed on specifically in Balfour forward to the “historical connection of world Jewry”.
this brings up what I consider to be another major legal issue which I have never seen anyone else other than myself investigate legally. My view is that the rights of immigration and settlement in the Palestine mandate territory inured to the Jewish people and NOT necessarily the “state of Israel”. Therefore, in legal terms when discussing Jewish settlement it should be divorced from any arguments of nationality or the GC which involves nations. All the nations signed on to be LEGALLY OBLIGATED to “facilitate immigration and encourage settlement” of the Jewish people in all the mandate territory west of the Jordan river. Hence, it is irrelevant as to whether the state of Israel seeks to annex or not. If they are not seeking to annex they have the same legal obligation which GB, Jordan and the PA have regarding the delineated territory. That legal obligation to encourage and facilitate did not expire, was not canceled nor was it rescinded because the immigration and settlement rights of world Jewry have not yet been fulfilled or consummated in YS. Therefore, Israels annexation or occupation is irrelevant to the legal obligation of Jewish settlement
Booth Israel and the world take the non annexation as a given that the territory is occupied and subject to GC. However, it matters not in law who is occupying or administering the territory as the legal obligations to fulfill the unexpired rights of world Jewry cannot be canceled by any decision of the state of Israel. Therefore even if Israel does not annex because it does not want arab voters, until a solution is devised Israel is obligated to settle world Jewry…. perhaps the best way to remove the confusion is to settle only diaspora jews in YS. I cannot see what legal argument anyone can bring up to make jewish settlement in YS illegal or illegitimate…. it is “Israeli settlement” which they cite. this is perfect because the world sees Israel and the Jews as legally separate, and legally they are.
Furthermore, there is an argument beyond security if Israel does not want to annex, for staying in occupation. The rights of jews to settle must be protected in international law and every arab gov(gaza, PA and Jordan) have banned Jewish settlement… therefore the transfer of any land to their sovereignty would defacto abridge or eliminate Jewish rights.
Israel would be smart to neutralize the legal arguments by settling and immigrating non Israeli diaspora Jews in YS. IN this way jewish settlement in YS would not be held up by Israels domestic politics.
Furthermore, there is a strategy for a gov which seeks to keep c and not ab. If the pals declared a state and Israel and the pals were disputing only C then even under the self determinations of peoples the majority of C would be Jews if the major blocks remain unannexed. It would be a dispute between the 2 states and only those in the disputed area of C could have a vote. I see no reason why the vacant state lands of C, which were specifically slated for jewish settlement in the mandate, should be given to the pals. It appears that the only legal basis for giving C to the pals is based on 242 withdrawal which was in fact superseded by the JOrdan Israel treaty which recognizes no PLO land interest in the west bank. UNGA 181 is long dead, moot and contrary to the original purpose of the mandate in reducing the area of Jewish settlement. In fact, the arab expulsions produced a need for more land rather than less land.
this article troubles me in its competence because I see no mention of the legal rights of Jewish settlement in international law which sprung from the recognition and implementation of Jewish rights beginning with Balfour and ending with UN charter art 80
The political reality is that 75% of Jewish Americans will oppose Trump or any GOP candidate. If you think Mrs. Clinton will ride to your rescue, seek help.
Trump Said:
Although I beleive that Trump is clueless on the ME hei is probably accurate if he observes that Israel does not want to make a deal. Unless Israel is willing to give away major parts of its homeland beyond a & b then it would make sense if they do not want a “deal”. Any fool can see that Israel cannot get a fair deal today and appears not to have the strength and resolve to impose a solution in its interests.
Although Trump is clueless he appears to have the attitude of a seasoned business man towards a “deal”: if a deal can be brokered he would like to do it, this is a common desire of every businessman. However, unlike a novice, he has no problem walking away from a deal that cannot be made. In this respect he is probably better in that he would recognize quickly that the 2 parties cannot be brought together if the GOI has any cojones, and then he would quickly walk away without being invested in its success.
here is more on the same story:
http://news.yahoo.com/ap-conversation-trump-calls-mideast-peace-toughest-deal-082050498–election.html
@ bernard ross:
After reading your comment, I think I took umbrage over Trump’s purported remarks about Israel vs the PLO/Hamas, too soon before I had an opportunity to research exactly what he said.
What has been reported sounds like the kind of cheap stunts that the Republican Party anti-Trump wire-pullers and the liberal news media have been pulling in this US presidential campaign.
So, BR, thanks for checking out this matter. Whether or not Trump’s policies for Israel would be better than those promised by Cruz and Rubio is hard to say. But Trump, who is said to be not strongly religious, would probably be less dangerous to trust than some of the Bible-thumpers running for president in this campaign.
I think that when he discovers for himself the impossibility of any kind of meaningful peace agreement between Israel and the PLO + Hamas, he will drop it and focus his attention where it belongs, which includes ending illegal immigration into the USA, dealing with Islamic jihadism now growing in the USA, and reindustrialization of the USA — which reqires major changes in US foreign trade policies with China and other countries which have turned this country into an economic colony with foreign masters.
Arnold Harris, Outspeaker
@ Bear Klein:
Will Rubio stand up to Muhammad? Will anybody stand-up to Muhammad?
It all started there.
This is Israel’s fault.
Since Israel keeps pretending that we so very much want to have the “deal”, Trump assumes that this is what we really want, and he says that “you won’t have it” and he is correct. Baruch Hashem.
Is Trump willing to challenge Muhammad?
I hope this is true and competent… I would be ready to eat crow if the giveaway trend is reversed.
Bear Klein Said:
thats exactly what the GOI protrays with its land swaps. they never mention Jewish settlement rights and they have started their negotiations based on the idea that the land belongs to the pals, otherwise why would you give them land in the negev for land in YS? It is Israel which conducts the talks like merchants in a bazaar and it is the pals who conduct them based on “self righteousness”, that is why the Jews are deemed illegitimate and illegal in their own land…. that is what Israel portrays to the world.
If a PM of Israel said the land belongs to the Jews then perhaps someone else in the world would consider that notion.
I see no citations for the quotes attributed to Trump. I would reserve comment until I can see the actual interview referred to here to see the context of the statements. I do not buy some things written here E.G.
this is a fact… everyone talks about the settlements and BB does not defend them. This article does not say whether Trump blames Israeli settelement… he may simply be referring to the fact that everyone complains about it. He did not support the argument that jewish settlement is illegal or illegitimate although this article appears to be pushing that perspective.
Frankly this article lacks journalistic merit in its lack of citation and context… and that lack gives a misleading direction which is not evidenced by the quotes out of context. I did not get evidence for this conclusion even from the statement quoted to support it.
This conclusion is rubbish and misleading if based on this statement:
this quotation in no way, by itself, is a condemnation for lack of a deal, an onus is not inferred. In fact trump says he is ok with Israel not taking a deal.
This author needs to do better in citation of evidence for his conclusions. this is a different Trump
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/204347#.VmCk4narTIU
Have I been tooting that guy’s horn for the past four months?
My mistake, apparently.
On the other hand, all of us cheered for Netanyahu earlier this year when he was running once again for Rosh HaMemshela.
Arnold Hsrris, Outspeaker
Israeli leaders are to blame because they never insisted on their rights to the land under the League of Nations Palestine Mandate. They also failed to cite Jordan as the logical place for the Arabs to transfer to.
Rubio, in speech alluded to that Trump thinks negotiating about peace with the Palestinians is like haggling over the price of a real estate deal.
The trouble with Trump is that he believes his own bullshit. He know nothing about foreign affairs yet that is the most important part of being a President.
The whole speech can be found at: http://blog.4president.org/2016/2015/12/marco-rubios-remarks-at-the-republican-jewish-coalition-presidential-forum-as-prepared-for-delivery.html
It looks like he is worse than Obama so… Nice flush.
From now and until we peel all the onion skin, Ted Cruz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-3Iq3XQkAw