Do vaccines produce more harm than good? When, if ever, are vaccination mandates warranted?

By Ted Belman.

Many people who visit Israpundit and who email me  are very intelligent and knowledgeable about Covid and the vaccines.  They have concluded that the Left is lying  about everything and acting criminally.  I have some reservations. So I wrote to them the following and received replies from many of them.

I watched the Trump interview also. I agree that the vaccine has been successful in reducing the number of deaths from corona. But I don’t necessarily think that the mandate is wrong. Sometimes freedoms must be shelved for the common good. SCOTUS will rule on the mandates by Jan 10/22 I believe. I will accept their judgement.. They will set the standard for approving Mandates. This standard will vary depending on what is being mandated. i.e., vaccines, masks or social distancing.

Also, I would expect a different standard regarding children because different considerations apply.

My problem with the current policy in Israel and the US is that they have banned therapeutics from being given as a preventive measure. They have waged a war against them. This is unpardonable.

One of the issues the court will be deciding is whether there is still an “emergency.”..

I am hoping that the Court will condition their judgement on whether the Governments are banning therapeutics and order them not to. . Unfortunately, I do not think this issue has been raised in the current challenge..

Another problem is this. If the Court rules against the mandates, it should add to its ruling the necessity to permit the dissemination of information on the whole debate so people can make informed decisions. This includes liberating doctors to prescribe them.

The idea that courts can limit your freedoms is well established in Law. Although we are guaranteed freedom of speech, the Courts have imposed a limit, holding you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater nor can you spew hate if your remarks are an incitement to violence. Thus the court has held the rights of the other supersede the rights of the individual.

Similarly it is against the law to abort a fetus late in the second trimester. except in certain situations. In effect the law says that as the pregnancy continues and the fetus approaches viability outside the womb, the government’s approval is required. Thus the rights of the unborn child take precedent over those of the mother. Similarly, the government can draft you into the military and require you to fight thereby putting your life at risk.

Can the government mandate vaccinations thereby putting the rights of the public over the rights of the individual to say no. This what the Court will soon decide.

Ury Weiss replied:

Please watch this short video and share widely. Japan, is one country on our planet, which didn’t lose it’s collective mind.

Japan has come a long way since WW2 when it allied itself with Nazi Germany. They pay special attention to the Nuremberg Code, which was established following Nazi doctors experimented with human beings without consent. They know full well that when this current war on “we the people” will conclude with defeat of the Luciferian forces of evil, thousands who forced and coerced unwilling people to inject poison cocktails in their bodies in order to be able to feed their families, will be hanging high from cranes in public squares for everyone to see and truly never, ever repeat these Nazi style practices which have been strictly forbidden almost 80 years ago.

I believe the Luciferians already know they lost the war. The new and future variants only reinforce this fact. With each new season of this Turkish soap opera, fewer and fewer are getting poked and therefore they must resort to harsher and more insane draconian measures. Slowly but surely, even the most dimwits amongst us start to grasp the sinister meaning of the “15 days to flatten some imaginary, non existing curve”.

    • Ted Belman   I have some trouble with this because I believe that if an individual’s refusal can be proven to cause, lets say 10 deaths, should he not be forced to take the jab or be quarantined.I do not know whether the Court is being asked to consider this. Ury and I differ in another respect. I speculate that the long term effect of the vaccine wont be different from the short term effect. Ury speculates that it will be much worse. And I will concede that Ury knows a lot more than I do. This would suggest that his speculation is on firmer ground than mine. Obviously this makes a big difference in the judgement call. I have highlighted one paragraph. But it doesn’t sit well with me. Can someone give me some of your favourite links that support your very strong views on the lethality of vaccines. I would like to follow up with a posts supporting his “speculation”

Linda Goudsmith replies:Ted, I will respond to your remarks point by point.

1. The Trump interview:

Covid jabs are not legally vaccines. They do not provide immunity or prevent transmission. The CDC changed the definition of a vaccine on September 1, 2021 to disguise its deception. This is political medicine, not medical science. Covid “vaccines” did not reduce any deaths, their adverse side effects are actually increasing the deaths.

Original definition:

Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.

AS of September 1, 2021:

Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.

Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.

2. The Biden mandates:

The Biden “vaccine” mandates are a gross executive overreach. Vaccine mandates are entirely illegal in the U.S. unless they go through the lengthy constitutional process of legislation that is passed in Congress and signed by the Executive. The process is rigorous and allows all facets of the issue to be publicly heard, debated, and reviewed before any determination of public good is made. No such process was ever even considered. If the Supreme Court awards Biden the executive power to mandate “vaccines,” it will be legalizing tyranny in the United States of America – a shocking possibility. You realize, of course, if the executive is allowed to legally determine the “common good” it is the end of our constitutional republic. The Biden regime is already criminalizing political opposition – then they will be able to legally establish political gulags “for the common good.”

3. The withholding of therapeutics:

This is one of the most unconscionable and sinister aspects of the entire COVID-19 debacle. Effective therapeutics are deliberately withheld from sick patients. Dr. Peter McCullough, an internist, cardiologist, and epidemiologist, described the staggering malfeasance of COVID-19 political medicine:

“It seems to me, early on, there was an intentional, very comprehensive suppression of early treatment in order to promote fear, suffering, isolation, hospitalization and death. And it seemed to be completely organized and intentional in order to create acceptance for and then promote mass ‘vaccination.'”

4. Abortion rights:

Your argument is that the government is vested with the power to determine whether the human rights of the unborn child or the individual rights of the mother prevail. The government is vested with that power because society has constitutionally invested it with that power. It is the same issue with mandating vaccines. The government ONLY has the power to mandate vaccines when it has gone through the constitutional process described above.

5. Regarding a standard for “vaccinating” children:

This is arguably the most sinister aspect of the COVID-19 political medicine power grab. There is absolutely no justifiable reason to “vaccinate” children because they have a 99.9% survival rate! Currently, more children have died from the jabs than the illness.

6. Censorship and open debate:

The COVID-19 disinformation fear campaign could never have succeeded without a complicit media that censors and curates information. There is a concerted effort to criminalize free speech regarding COVID-19. It is simply Orwellian now.

Ted Belman’s reply:

I have a few points of clarification.

1. Efficacy of vaccines. Regardless of semantics, it appears to me that they work to a sufficient degree to warrant their use.

2. I did not comment on whether the executive has the right to mandate. It doesn’t unless there is an “emergency” .  The executive said there was. The Court will decide whether there was, or more important, there is an emergency.. But that is only the first issue. Assuming the Court is convinced that there is an emergency then the Court must decide what the executive can do, to deal with it. Or whether to give it a carte blanche. I don’t know enough of the law to have a view of what they will do.

My only point is that there are times when limiting constitutional rights is appropriate to safeguard the common good. I gave examples. Here’s another.  In times of war the government may draft you thereby forcing you to endanger your life by fighting.

The executive will decide if it is necessary and the Court to decide whether the executive was justified in so doing.

3. We are in agreement regarding the therapeutics issue.

4. Abortion.  .  The executive passes whatever laws they think appropriate but they must do so pursuant to the constitution or legislation or Court rulings i.e., the law.. If it violates any of these, application can be made to the Court to undo or reverse what they have done.

In Israel the Knesset has empowered a panel to determine whether in the last stages, an abortion is acceptable. The mother must have their permission for the abortion to be legal. The legislation providing for this takes pains to limit when it is justifiable.

5. Children.  Agreed. By the way, how does the government in the US or Israel justify vaccinating children.  What do they say is the reason?

6.Censuring. Agreed.

Peloni replied:

Yes, well, the market place of ideas is an open bazaar where each of us share our own views and our own explanations for the basis of those views.  It is not only healthy for the group to be faced with competing ideas, it is also instructive towards gaining a greater understanding of the totality of a given topic.
For my own views, I greatly appreciate the manner in which you balanced your support of the vaccines/mandates – it is the only reasonable approach to using the vaccines at all, regardless of how well they work.  As you note, there is no rational explanation for the refusal to allow treatments to be employed to the ill.  It is the most sinister aspect of this entire situation and it has been going on for 2yrs now, costing many lives.  They have chosen, instead, to use the vaccines and mandates limits to free access of commerce, employment and school and they have claimed this to be be out of concern for the public’s good.  They would have us believe that they are so certain of the potential harms of the virus that they find themselves forced to infringe on personal liberties, never before contemplated in Western democracies.  Yet they refuse any physician to judge a treatment to be used to treat the serious harm that all these other measures failed to prevent with their oppressive tactics.  The obvious inconsistency in these facts are quite revealing of their dishonest explanations about the intended purpose of the vaccines and mandates.  But your approach is balanced and not an unreasonable approach, though I obviously do not support the mandates and civil infringements in our current context.

Regarding the argument about saving a life by adopting certain mandated measures, you would have to believe the mandated segregation or vaccinations would prevent the virus spreading from among the vaccinated or the purpose is self-defeating.  But the vaccines don’t stop viral spread and in fact creates the ability for people to carry and spread the virus without having symptoms, ie  while they would never know they were infected, this creates potential super-spreaders..  So, from my view, the mandates won’t achieve their intended purpose.  More concerning than this is the fact that the mandates are not limited in any way, ie they would be indefinite due to the recurring need for the vaccines every three months, so these rights would be permanently suspended to support a policy that is flawed, again IMHO.

I  also recognize that they are purposefully collecting data for the vaccine effectiveness in such a way that no one could really support the level to which the vaccines are helpful.  They are doing this intentionally.  I do recognize that they could be doing this because their products do not do as much as they claimed, ie 50% instead of 95% effectivity or something to this effect, and I always believed this was likely the case.  Recently, however, some very interesting analyses have shown that there is possibly no actual benefit at all.  Regardless of this, though, the degree to which the vaccines work or do not work is neither my first or second concern.  They should focus on treating the ill and act to limit and prevent the safety issues with the vaccines.  Yet they have a mind to do neither.  But your approach would be very helpful, even with the mandates and segregated societies and masks, because we would likely end this pandemic quite quickly, as well as the need for such limits on personal freedoms, should early treatments be employed, regardless of how well or how poor the vaccines work.

Ury Wiess replies:

There is not much to add following Linda’s comprehensive reply. In terms of links to follow regarding the lethality of this poison shot, I suggest the following:

1. Dr. Luc Montagnier, Nobel prize laureate in Virology… Everyone injected won’t last two years.

2. Dr. Michael Yeadon former VP of Development and Vaccines at Pfizer…This “vaccine” could bring the demise of the human race

3. Dr. Peter McCullough, Internist and Cardiologist…There is zero benefit in injecting the general population with a poison cocktail, which could cause permanent heart, brain and other organ damage.

4. Dr. Robert Malone inventor of the mRNA vaccine…This mRNA jab produces pathogenic spike proteins which could bring a total calamity on mankind.

5. Dr. Zev Zelenko, developer of the Zelenko protocol…This poison shot is not meant to protect your health. It was produced by the forces of Evil, who want to depopulate the planet and enslave the remaining survivors in posterity. There has never been so much cruelty, barbarism and malfeasance in the history of mankind.

6. Last but not least Dr. Carrey Madej, the most censored doctor on the Internet. I already knew about the Graphene Oxide HYDROGEL nano robots and the luminiscent nano particles LUCIFERASE being present in the upcoming “vaccines”, months before they were launched. As far as I know, for her safety, Dr. Carrey Madej left Atlanta, Georgia and is now practicing medicine in one of the Caribbean islands. A medical internist and vaccine specialist, she was part of the DARPA (US department of defence agency) invited guests in a presentation held in Atlanta in 2015. While most people applauded, she fell chills in her spine, because in this conference she felt like she was in the presence of the DEVIL

Linda Goudsmit replies:

I have one more thing to add, perhaps the most chilling of all. They are targeting the children.

Lockdown Policies and Mask Mandates Linked With Lower IQ in Children

My editorial opinion:

Damaging children mentally, physically, socially and psychologically, is precisely what lockdowns, masks, and isolation are designed to do. Dumbing down and socially engineering children to become frightened, submissive citizens in the new world order of planetary governance are the lockdown objectives. Mandated “vaccines” are the ultimate goal. The psychopaths running the COVID-19 psyop are targeting the nation’s children because children are the future of every society on earth. The enemies of freedom are malevolent, they are not stupid.

So I ask all of you , please comment on the following.

  1. Do vaccines do more harm then good?
  2. Are mandates warranted?
December 29, 2021 | 44 Comments »

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  1. @Bear
    I did read the study some months back when we first discussed its value and findings, yet it is not relevant to what I wrote in my last comment but I will draw its relevance into the matter here. This was among the important facts I shared above:

    The uncanny reality of this occurrence deserved close inspection in the very hour it was detected, rather than the censorship it faced. The iMOH would not even discuss the matter with the scientist involved in discovering the alarming signal – they did not even return his calls. The Clalit study, no matter what it shows can not prove this was not a valid signal that should have been pursued at the time it was discovered. In truth, the reality of what the signal might reveal is irrelevant to the fact that it was ignored and hidden by the agency responsible for both public safety and the vaccine rollout.

    Your disagreement over other issues should not blind you from fairly evaluating this matter in front of you. A serious cardiac signal with the vaccines was established and ignored. The author and whistleblower was censored and his findings were sidelined some time before the Clalit study was released. It was gross malfeasance for the iMOH to do so. How is this not obvious.

    Whatever an investigation might find, it should have been pursued and notice given to the public. It’s called transparency, the very thing the head of the Sheva hospital is promising will be his guiding path on the 4th Booster was ignored with the work of Dr. Levi. The FDA recognized the increased cardiac issue and also the Clalit study recognized the increased cardiac issue, Dr. Rose’s work recognizes the increased cardiac issue, the Canadian studies recognized the increased cardiac issue, VAERS supports the presence of the increased cardiac issue. All of these groups and studies recognize an increased cardiac issue that Dr. Levi’s findings predated. But he was ignored by the iMOH and he was CENSORED for alerting the public of his concern – the very public whose knowledge you seek guidance from to inform you of the reality on the street. Really, you have not much opposing what I am suggesting which is irrelevant to whether you believe Bright and his colleagues coordinated the halt of HCQ to the public, which is also pretty difficult to dispute.

    Also the head of the iMOH who is responsible for the public health and vaccine safety claimed a complete ignorance of VAERS while also ignoring Dr. Levi’s calls for concern using the data he obtained from the iMOH itself – these are complementary evidences of malfeasance by the man responsible for the safety of the vaccine program, almost as if he did not care what safety issues would be found. I really don’t know how much more clearly alarming this should be to everyone, regardless if the safety issue that Dr. Levi established was not supported by anything. No investigation into Levi’s finding was done to find out more. I am not trying to be insulting here, but you are judging this issue as benign on the basis of something altogether unrelated.

  2. Did you bother reading the actual study?

    I believe the actual very detailed thorough study of 2 million Israelis.

    I believe you are so biased because of your belief in your conspiracy theory anything that contradicts must be dismissed one way or the other. Anything that lends credence to is proof of the truth. People tend to find what they are looking for. I have told you the same thing before in different words and of course naturally you take exception to it as I would expect. I believe the study.

    We will have to agree to disagree on this subject. Not trying to be insulting but simply explaining why what you write in volumes simply does not wash with me. Actual study so if you have not ready it you can spend a great deal of time discrediting it. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110475?query=featured_home

  3. @Bear
    The study you link here is not an answer to the elevated harms seen to occur in real time associated with each age group upon rollout as Dr. Levi described. The baseline looked back over years of the EMT calls associated with heart issues, and it never rose until the vaccines were administered in an age stratified basis. For each age group the heart related EMT calls rose and in the two weeks following the calls fell back to baseline. This occured for each age groups timed precisely with the vaccine rollout for the same age group. This elevation was especially noteworthy in women in the 20-30yr(child bearing) range. The uncanny reality of this occurrence deserved close inspection in the very hour it was detected, rather than the censorship it faced. The iMOH would not even discuss the matter with the scientist involved in discovering the alarming signal – they did not even return his calls. The Clalit study, no matter what it shows can not prove this was not a valid signal that should have been pursued at the time it was discovered. In truth, the reality of what the signal might reveal is irrelevant to the fact that it was ignored and hidden by the agency responsible for both public safety and the vaccine rollout.

    Furthermore, we know very well now that the vaccine is definitely associated with myocarditis and it is now labeled as such. Even the FDA does not dispute this fact and everyone receiving these shots should be notified prior to their shot that this is a potential outcome of the receiving the shot.

    I understand that you believe the word on the street is a real and tangible model that gives you doubt of these harms as real. Yet, the labeled myocarditis warning that the vaccines increase this lethal condition is real and beyond any question. Since the word on the street did not detect this very real danger, it might not be as useful a measure as you suggest, even in tiny Israel. For what it is worth.

  4. @Edgar

    Good point. Treatment is for the disease with Omicron, not afterwards, sorry for that confusion. Omicron has very mild disease, but, as Dr. Chetty (from South Africa), some will still go on to be hospitalized with pneumonia and treatment could limit or prevent these sever symptoms while still allowing immunity to develop.

    The treatment protocols are now quite a puzzle. Everything thus far about Covid is how to treat the disease with the original Spike, or close to the original spike. This current Spike is highly mutated. Some of the existing treatments will be as effective as gumdrops as the mechanisms are specific to the disease in the lung as seen with Delta, etc. For instance, Mulnipivar is used to cause enormous number of mutations in anything in the body that grows or reproduces, so body cells and viruses alike. Some have likened it to a cancer bomb. Regardless of this, this is the only use of the drug against a viral infection. So to be useful, the drug must be administered before the virus reproduction is completed. This would be somewhere within the first 5-7days, but with Delta that window is slighly shorter than the other variants, which is why Mulnipivar is far more effective against the Wuhan strain it was designed and tested against than it would be against Delta. Well, Delta is believed to reproduce much slower than Omicron. This would mean that Mulnipivar would need to be taken in the first couple of days(Malone’s estimate) after infection with Omicron. Well that is pretty quick timing to be practical or useful. If this drug is taken after the reproductive period passes, you gain all the harms of the drug and none of the benefits. In a drug like HCQ, it has 3 mechanisms against the virus but again must be employed in the first couple of days to be effective. IVM has 20 mechanisms against the virus and has been proven to be useful at every stage of the disease and actually benefits the immune system itself directly. So IVM would be expected to be useful and reports support this belief, but the data is limited so far due to the recent emergence of Omicron.

    You are taking your meds as a prophylaxis so they will be in place whenever you might contract the virus. How effective they will be will be hard to tell because Quercetin works by a less efficient mechanism but similar to HCQ, but HCQ is not widely used in prophylaxis(maybe I am in error here, but it is my belief that IVM is the primary drug of choice – sidenote, I heard yesterday that most eldercare facilities in the US are likely treating their patients with IVM). So it will be hard to know how effective HCQ or Quercetin is til some group of people taking them proactively become infected/exposed. This is true with most of the medications currently used against Delta. The one exception is likely Vit. D. Low Vit D is directly associated with severe disease and death, and high Vit D is associated with minimal disease and nearly no hospitalization or death. Vit. D works by activating and deactivating 2000 genes associated with the immune system, so a lot more than 20 mechanisms here. Truly, IVM and high levels of Vit. D are the great treatment choices available, IMHO. Given you can not get IVM, I would keep on keeping on, and we will likely know more with greater certainty as things progress.

    Another reason to keep taking the safe, generic drugs which are known to be effective against Delta is that Delta is still out there, and anyone might be lucky enough to get Delta and possibly develop Covid pneumonia without them.

    I like the comparison with the grandfather’s axe. It is how viruses become less virulent or more virulent, depending on how it is pushed by its surrounding enviornment, the immune system or medications.

  5. @ ADAM-

    Indeed very sorry to read of your suspected Omicron. Re the sore throat, I suppose that you’ve already tried those home stand-bys, salt water gargle, honey/lemon hot drinks etc.

    Your attempt to get medical attention seems almost as bad as my Socialised mess-up, here in Canada.

    An anecdote. My late uncle, a doctor, (about whose heroic death I’ve written here) told me that when the U.K Health Service came in, that “patients”, used to line up at his surgery, around the block, sometimes for hours,. just to get a “treatment” which often meant only a bandaid or dab of iodine. Just because it was “free”…..

  6. @-PELONI-

    Also meant to add that your detailing of the relationship between Omicron and COVID-SARS2 reminds me of the “existing” proverbial “George Washington’s original axe with which he chopped down the cherry tree”…

  7. @ READER-

    This Highlight of yours makes the whole report sound rather idiotic and in truth, meaningless. Sounds like a normal Israeli govt. indifferent “quasi-solution” to a not relevant situation. They do a lot of that.

    For that matter, how qualified in this particular field are the 42 “doctors” of this report…….!! A good pick-up.

  8. @ PELONI- All perfectly clear thank you. Laid out like a simple spreadsheet or blueprint.

    Just one thing. On one hand, you say that Omicron confers a kind of immunity (like a true vaccine) and more like the side effects of a vaccine, and also “starving” Delta out. On the other you say, actually said twice, first “to still get the treatment” and then amplified thus….. “to still get the treatment, safe, effective generic treatment”…

    What ingredients are in the safe generic treatment?? Are they such as I take, like “Quercetine, Zinc, Black Cumin, Vits C, D3, E. Selenium, Omega 3, Calcium+, B Complex, etc….???

    Except for the Quercetine and Black Cumin, I’ve taken the others for many years.

    I’ve seen a mention somewhere of including an item named Bromelain.??

  9. @Edgar

    Great questions!
    Omicron is still a form of SARS-Cov2 virus so it is not unconnected, but it is connected to a very distant and long dead member of the SARS-Cov2 virus family, which died out some 18 months ago. Since it is still the same virus it will provide immunity against associated mutants. But there is a catch. The 46(I think) mutations present on it have changed the virus so that the immunity of prior infections may not be perfect, but it is close, so the disease caused is very mild. Recall that Omicron just presents with mild disease to begin with.

    You are correct, sort of, that Omicron presents a differnt disease. Really it targets different tissues due to the changes in the mutated spike which now has a preference for the tissues in the upper airways rather than the tissues in the deep lungs. This is why a sore throat and cough are the most serious disease presentations, mostly, and not pneumonia or body wide inflammations.

    Delta will not fade on its own, but here is the nuance in this tale of competition. Delta had an easier time binding to the target cells than Alpha, but the difference was not why Delta displaced Alpha. Delta was in India last Dec. 2020, same time as when Alpha was 90% of all cases in UK and elsewhere, but Alpha was killed off, pretty efficiently, by the vaccines. This left a huge vacuum around the vaccinated world. Delta was minorly affected by the vaccines, but it still took til May for it to move around the world and fill an empty void.

    Fast forward to today. Omicron is beating the life, literally, out of Delta without any medicinal aid, and it is doing so in real time as we watch the prevalence of Omicron goes higher and higher. And the case numbers tell the story. We have never, never seen case numbers similar to those of Omicron when Delta was fighting against a world with only dead Alpha present(obviously an exaggeration to make a point). So, as I say, Delta will not fade on its own, but it is being starve of its food supply, namely uninfected cells, as Omicron is grabbing up every susceptible body in sight.

    The reason Omicron can infect the vaccinated is because the vaccines have no effect on the Omicron mutated spike – 32 mutations are present on this spike as compared to Delta.

    I think, if someone wanted to end the plague, it would not be China. We are literally killing ourselves, or damaging ourselves, or at a very minimum sewing the seeds of civil strife over the vaccine and the virus mandates and lockdowns. China is the only non-child in the room and is at an advantage, no matter what the vaccines represent to health, and longevity.

    Currently, there is no downside to Omicron, that we can detect. It produces low level disease, no death, nearly no hospitalizations, and produces immunity to future viruses(we should still use treatments). Hopefully this holds long enough to kill off Delta and end this plague.

    FYI, while the cases world wide have skyrocketed to nearly double previous highs, the deaths have dropped by 1/7 in just the past two weeks(could be due to under-reporting due to holiday delays). This is what victory smells like, if it continues til Delta is dead. If Omicron burns itself out too soon, Delta will return. If PHARMA use their vaccines and drive Omicron to mutate, we could lose our advantage. So we will see where things go, but this is very very promising at present.

    Let me know if this is all clear.

  10. @Edgar

    Your comments are as perceptive as ever.

    There is no reasonable explanation why these Republicans would want the fraud conducted by the Dems to go unexposed if they, themselves, were not card-carrying corrupticats. When pressed by Trump, TX gov gave verbal support of the audit, but never moved towards it.

    By the way, Jovan had a dozen or so reports in the AZ audit still pending and waiting completion. He is just about done with them and he plans to make them available online soon – not sure if the AZ AG will be good with this fact. So for all that we know about AZ, we still do not know it all, by a long way. Jovan is the only person who has looked at all the ballots, paper and digital images. Just a point of trivia, however, should the damage to the Lindell lawsuit not be repaired in some way.

    There is, however, another unrelated case of great promise that is likely to break open a great many secrets that will expose a great many things that the Deep State do not want revealed. It is by Tore Maras-Lindemann, the govt contractor from ShadowGate. She has a lawsuit against Dominion and she is pulling Brennan, and many well known Washington players into court to be deposed by her. Very shrewd woman. She was the source, one of two, who provided incite into the Kraken lawsuit. She produced a affidavit which she claims is entirely verifiable for Powell’s Michigan lawsuit. Tore was described as a fraud in court, which is legal. She was also described as a fraud in public, which is defamatory. So she sued Dominion. And as Patrick Byrne states, “Tore knows things, things that I know, but from different sources” or something to this effect. Who knows what she really knows, but they are pursuing the interrogatories in this lawsuit and it is being overseen by a Trump appointee(not always as favorable a thing as some might think) who is moving the case along quite quickly. Also the interrogatories have been granted to include classified material covered in her affidavit, so we will see what everyone has to say very shortly. I will have to write a longer summary of Tore’s suit. It is a very interesting suit by a very interesting individual.

    So, the Lindell lawsuit may be over as Jovan states, but even if he is correct, things are not completely lost, not yet at least.

  11. @ PELONI-

    From what I’m gathering (perhaps incorrectly) Omicron, IS a new unconnected disease, but has a kind of neutralising or “vaccine” effect, which inhibits such as Delta, although Delta is still there with it’s deleteriously dangerous effects.

    In that case, Delta shows NO sign of fading…

    I suppose that as Omicron can infect those already multi-vaccinated indicates its “newness”, and that it has to have been manufactured.

    Perhaps also from Wuhan, showing that China is feeling the world’s “heat”…..??

    Of the various evils, Omicron is by far the lesser. ????

  12. @ PELONI,

    Except that the “Canvass” doesn’t provide any verifiable actionable result, just an indication, and according to the timelines given in your article would be too late..(unless I misunderstand your comments)

    It’s more like “just going through the motions” with no binding result. So really not worth doing, lacking a definitive uncovering and subsequent speedy penalties.

    From the first moment I saw Pulitzer on Youtube, I knew that HE was the real “goods”. Yet, his offers to reveal all in a matter of hours, was never really taken seriously by those who ostensibly were pursuing justice with vigour.

    His hacking into that “unhackable” Georgia lawmakers’ debate in a matter of minutes, and revealing all that they had been discussing should have been enough to have him employed right away in doing the work and then presenting the evidence, months ago already-as you’ve noted.

    But, since they didn’t and are still fiddling around and delaying real action time after time , finding new ways of delaying a resolution…..??
    …. Obviously the fix is all encompassing.

  13. @ketzel2
    Very good researchers, both, and Steve is a very great asset, for whom the world owes an enormous debt. He has been helping manage, fund, fund raise, research, discuss and critique every aspect of this plague, picking up much of the enormous slack cast aside by the NIH and her sibling shareholder agencies. The world would greatly benefit if Steve replaced the lot of these PHARMA puppets. He is also able to catalogue details and data using visual aids and graphs with great skill to convey data and trends in ways that are not difficult to grasp, even though they are sometimes, quite difficult to explain verbally alone. Very impressive person.

  14. @Edgar

    Perhaps the “fix” is also in with the AGs.

    Well, two things to consider on this point. First is that no one would risk their career if they could devise a way to have their cake and eat it, as it were, and the Canvass provides this opportunity.

    Second, if these AGs were really interested in pursuing the fraud, they would have been devising ways to do so well before this point, one year later while the ballot destruction time clock was ticking. The fraud was mammoth, both broad and deep. This is why it is concerning why states such as Florida and Texas have yet to lift one finger towards examining the fraud. Nothing stopping these politicians, and if they were not a party to the fraud, they might become the next victim of it in the coming election cycle. Hence, they have every reason to pursue election integrity, if they were innocent of knowledge and participation. Should they act, they will be sued of course, but the fear of such suits is not why they have yet to take the first step towards being sued. Lot of Swamp to go around.

    Wouldn’t it be remarkable if Trump just happened to pick every member of the Swamp by chance to include in his White House. As I say, a lot of Swamp to go around. Likely, we will need a new baby and new bath water when considering state politicians for future national candidates. Or we can just go back to being China’s dog, while pretending the latest GOP Swamp rat is the best thing since Chinese Checkers.

    Just my own thoughts.

  15. So the virus did not shoot their bolt, good way to describe the concept, but, rather the original Wuhan virus escaped a lab and generated a number of daughter variants. The latest of these succeeding variants, Delta, is now being displaced and replaced by a new Frankenstein variant that out competes Delta in ways that are hard to fathom (recall that Delta was, itself, very competitive by established norms at the beginning of 2021) and is just by its nature, less lethal but capable of establishing neutralizing immunity to SARS-Cov2. And this neutralizing immunity occurs in the mucosal tissues to prevent, mostly, the virus ever getting furhter into the deep lung which is how pneumonia occurs. Without the pneumonia, there is no systemic invasion and….Ultimately we simply see a complete decoupling of the association of a rise in cases which usually result in a rise in hospitalizations and deaths.

    As Dr. Malone stated, this virus has many hallmarks he would choose to place in a vaccine, and actually tried to get the NIH to move towards this producing such a life saving vaccine in April 2020. Tony, of course, was busy organizing with Anderson, Woodcock, Ferrar, Collins and Bright who eventually blocked HCQ. So he never even returned Malone’s phone call.

    Some other details:
    A warning to anyone planing an Omicron party to pass the immunity about. Delta is still out there and Delta is very much capable of establishing serious disease if left untreated in the at-risk group. There does to be a high incidence of Omicron infection in the vaccinated, but these population wide games are very hard to tease apart. Besides, who cares if the pandemic is over – go out and hug you neighbor and hate them for something other than their vaccine card status(quite an obnoxious concept).

    Many of the treatments which relied upon a single mechanism of defence are quite likely to be useless. Mulnpulvar for instance has one mechanism of action as opposed to IVM which has 20(really). These things will be too irrelevant in the coming weeks or months as it appears Omicron is moving at a breath-taking pace and with treatment or without it, no one is dying from Omicron(still, get the treatment, safe, effective, generic treatment, IMHO, this is the very purpose for which medicine is made).

    The last point of concern is how can things go wrong. They certainly can. Should Omicron be subjected to a leaky vaccine as is likely the plan with Bennett’s and Biden’s push for vaccination, this could go in the wrong direction.

  16. @Edgar

    So, it is very difficult to accept that the Omicron variant did not come from a lab. It has no lineage in the world today. It didn’t come from any of the previous variants as it is missing the mutations that made Alpha distinct from Gamma and it is missing he mutations that made Gamma distinct from….So where did it come from? All the other variant were offshoots of some some existing variant that underwent a mutation and created a new variant, but not so with Omicron.

    This is not necessarily a bad thing. Perhaps, it was some action by an interested party in stopping the plague. Perhaps it was simply a point of chance. Regardless of where it came from or how it came here, the changes in Omicron, some forty plus point mutations, make it much much much more infectious than even Delta, ie there is an evolutionary advantage over Delta, such that we are witnessing it displace Delta in its established position around the world. Recall that Delta came to dominate the world because the vaccines killed off the competition, and it still took Delta til ~May to dominate.

    The mutations, however also provide a preferred tissue to infect that is distinctly different from the other variants. It infects the bronchus, rather than the lung, and will likely generate an immune response in the mucous, something that is missing from the inoculating injections. This does not mean that you can not become very ill with Omicron, should it find its way to the deep lung(per Dr. Chetty), just very unlikely that it will happen, and this can be seen in the the data in Denmark (can’t use South Africa as a reference, necessarily, due to their high prevalence of established immunity there and the fact this is currently their summer, and seasonality is always important).
    /1

  17. Shortly after reading PELONI’S article on Jovan Pulitzer I saw that another article suggested that Omicron might signify that COVID is on its way out. (Interesting article PELONI_Very readable, Pulitzer’s illness sounded “Clinton-ish”) Perhaps the “fix” is also in with the AGs. What other reason could there be. The Dems planning was spread over every aspect of the “voting” process and covered just about everything.

    Historically unique.

    Quite a coincidence. Just want to say that my post was written before I spotted the article., I had been thinking about it for a couple of weeks. I was recalling what my late beloved father had told me about the post WW1 flu pandemic, and how it eventually just faded out.

    Lately, with the posts become more technical, I read , but don’t post.

  18. It has struck me, that the onset of Omicron might be an indication that the virulence of the earlier COVID strains have “shot their bolts”, and what Omicron means is a petering out of lethality of the virus.

    Are the Delta and other stronger strains still reaping a grim harvest-as much as ever…?

    With little scientific background, and not wishing to delve into “research” which can prove everything and the opposite, I ask those who are active in this debate ..?

    Could my suggestion about Omicron have any “legs”…??

  19. Coronavirus infection – but not vaccination – was also associated with greatly increased risk of pericarditis, arrhythmias, heart attacks, strokes, pulmonary embolism, deep-vein thrombosis, acute kidney damage, and others.

    Major study, conducted in collaboration with researchers from Harvard University, examined data on over 2 million people in Israel.

    Study compared rates of 25 adverse events between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals, and separately, between unvaccinated individuals infected and not infected with coronavirus: Findings show that the vaccine is safe, while coronavirus infection is associated with numerous serious adverse events.

    Few adverse events were associated with the vaccine. Myocarditis, the most serious one, was associated with an excess of 2.7 cases per 100,000 vaccinated persons. In contrast, coronavirus infection in unvaccinated individuals was associated with an excess of 11 cases of myocarditis per 100,000 infected persons.


    This finding was found in Israel in a study of 2 million by Clalit the largest Israeli HMO.

  20. You are saying Dr. Levi’s findings, the data he shared, pulled from the Isreali iMOH is conspiracy data? You believe this is false? How do you substantiate this. Serious question.

    It’s not an internet video that should alarm you, and this was released several months after the first video was censored(perhaps you saw that one too??). It is the degree to which the nation shut down the discussion of it regardless of the views of you or I. It is a lack of transparency and this should not be tolerated in a democratic society.

  21. Any statistical data (even the simplest percentages) shown in the media cannot be understood unless there is a full explanation of how the data was obtained including the necessary definitions.

    In other words, it is completely meaningless but most people don’t realize this.

    Even the scientific articles will not necessarily explain how their data was generated, and often they use special statistical methods “to remove bias” which cannot be comprehended by someone without special training in statistics.

    The COVID data is even worse than this because it is deliberately skewed by the PTB.

    So there is not even anything to discuss other than, possibly, the increase/decrease in total deaths (unless these numbers are also messed up).

  22. I do not need to rely on internet videos about things in Israel. There is a huge discrepancy between someone who knows Hebrew and one who does not in the type of information and contacts that are or are not available to them.

    First hand contacts as opposed to most everything filtered to them second hand or third hand.

    The head of Sheva Hospital is not afraid of being erased. He is a big deal.

    As you are aware I also do not accept your international conspiracy theory on the vaccines and Covid. Please do not ask I will not try and prove a negative. I have seen the video before.

    I understand we have divergent views on this subject.

  23. Bear

    So I personally believe if there were horrible things happening because of the vaccines they would have come out.

    This is not an unreasonable belief, in normal times. However, we live in the age of the Trusted News Initiative where the state and media are joined in their purpose of growing support of the vaccines while coordinating the censorship of all voices discordant towards this purpose. Hence, the media would not report these horrible things you do not hear. Also anyone on Social Media would be censored for stating such things and many have been. The measure of the accepted tolerance is the degree to which a statement, poster or story supports the vaccines.

    This is how Dr. Retsef Levi was initially censored. His comments are very important and relate the increase in heart attacks related EMT calls which considered a steady baseline over years and only became elevated with the vaccine rollout. The increase for EMT calls for heart attacks in each age groups was directly related to the vaccine rollout in the respective age groups. The iMOH would not even respond to his calls for concern. He eventually, many months later, testified before Congress on this matter, but the utter silence by the authorized press was still in place.

    I do not know if you and others are aware of this single point of evidence and the fact it has not been pursued, but I would count this among the horrible things that should have come out, and made every headline in every news site on the day he first reported his findings. He is but one voice that should have been on yours and everyone’s lips that day. Dr. Levi’s work created a method not unrelated to VAERS which could monitor and actually did detect a safety signal with the vaccines in the small state of Israel where people know eachother or knows someone who knows what is going on.

    Please take 5 min. and watch this short video where Dr. Retsef describes, under oath, this and many other challenges which explain why you will not hear what people are not reporting, namely because they are afraid to be seen to have reported them and become “erased”:
    https://thehighwire.com/videos/dr-retsef-levi-testimony/

  24. In Israel I just listened to the head of Sheva hospital. They are doing a clinical trial to see whether a fourth shot (booster) is needed or desired. He assured everyone that all results will be made public and nothing is to be hidden.

    In Israel it is very hard to hide things it is so small. People know each other or know someone who knows what is going on. So I personally believe if there were horrible things happening because of the vaccines they would have come out.

  25. What no one is mentioning is that it is impossible to know with any degree of certainty whether or not the vaccine is more dangerous than COVID19. The reaon is that we don’t have statistics whose accuracy we can rely on.

    The main question is one of trust. The CDC has lied about ivermection, claiming it is medicine only for horses and cows. This is a blatant falsehood. It has done its best to prevent Americans from ivermectin, even though innumerable studies have proven it is effective as a treatment for COVID19.The same is true of their efforts to ban the use of hydroxichloriquine.

    When people have lied about one thing, and that lie has harmed the public and caused tens of thousands od deaths, you can’t trust anything they say.

    There is some circumstantial evidence that the actual death toll from CV2 is lower than the figures published by the CDC and WHO. For example, the mysterious disappearance of deaths from influenza in 2020-21, which had occurred regularly ever since records of illnesses and deaths began to be kept, is very suspicious. So is a bid that the CDC put out for a test kit that coud distinguish between influenza and COVID19. This looks like an admission that the presently used PCR test cannot distinguish between the two illnesses, which have nearly identical symptoms, and both of which can cause death in some vulnerable patients. This is only one of many inconsistencies in CDC data and data published by Johns Hopkins University.

    We do have data from VAERS reports submitted to the CDC that indicate that the Covid vaccines are more dangerous than any other vaccine that is in common use today. But we have no way of knowing how dangerous the vaccines are, because it is unlikely that all such cases are reported to VAERS, and there are also doubts about how many of the reports that VAERS receives actually make it onto their web site in a timely fashion. The CDC publishes no statistics about how many reports they receive of adverse reactions to the vaccines. THey only report the raw reports of individual cases Various independent researchers have attempted to count the total number of adverse reaction reports received by VAERS. But each one’s come up with slightly different figures after trying tomanually count all the reports on the CDC web site.

    The upshot of all this is that it is impossible to know whether the disease or the vaccines prescribed for the disease is more dangerous. We are reduced to relying on our individual gut feelings, about this issue. But we know enough to say that there should be free individual choice as to whether to be vaccinated or not. Vaccine mandates and “passports” are wrong. They violate basic human rights. And they are based very questionable and dubious scientific evidence. Also, the blaming of those who have chosen to remain unvaccinated for the (alleged) pandemic is wrong and should be stopped.

  26. @ketzel2
    Exactly so. He warned about this last year actually. He warned about a great deal of what has occurred in 2021.

  27. Sometimes freedoms must be shelved for the common good.

    The key question here – who determines what the common good is?

    Bill Gates & Co.?

    It sure looks like it.

    Hitler, for example, thought that the common good included exterminating every Jew in the world, conquering Europe and the USSR thus starting another world war in less than 30 years.

    Stalin thought that it would really help the common good to either send the “enemies of the people” to work camps in the far northeast of the country (-50C in winter) or to build dams, etc. to help the country’s economy or to execute a few of them who he thought were especially threatening to his regime.

    The simple majority vote won’t work because the ignorant masses can be easily swayed (we’ve been watching it every day for two years already) in just about any direction, and they have no idea what that common good might be.

    SCOTUS?

    The same SCOTUS which 11 years ago allowed corporations to contribute unlimited amounts of money to political campaigns, i.e., made it perfectly legal for the super-rich to buy politicians outright?!

    I have to agree with Linda Goudsmit that unless the appropriate constitutional safeguards are applied (and sometimes even then), the decision on what constitutes common good cannot be made, especially in this case when there is a lot of evidence that “the common good” is actually “the common bad”.

  28. @Bear

    By the way there are handful of therapeutics that currently are being used against Covid-19 plus several others in the testing stage.

    It has been two years since this plague has been before us, so the testing phase was cut short, or eliminated, for these experimental inoculations now injected in billions, but we should wait for the full testing on well established drugs that are known as completely safe. Is this not hypocrisy incarnate? Of the few ‘treatments’ you referenced that are being employed, can you name a single one that is not an experimental drug with a large question of safety or well established toxicities? Where are the non-experimental drug treatments that should have been in place in 2020 while we watched millions of lives extinguished and hundreds of millions suffer needlessly under this non-treatment protocol? Let us not forget the toxic experimental Remdisivir which is associated with deaths in 25% of the cases in which it is used and no reduction in hospital stay – so beyond the fatted calf policy, what is the purpose of this treatment. It is owned by China and they, themselves, don’t even employ its use against their own people.

  29. @Bear

    IVM is not banned as there are many tests conducting its use. Is it banned anywhere I do not know.

    Your hair splitting suggestion here does seem quite disingenuous. The only use of IVM in Israel is thru a medical trial, and as I noted earlier, Dr. Shwartz has appeared to be put out to pasteur for his efforts to state the safety and efficacy of this drug which has been associated with about half a dozen deaths in 40yrs.

    When a doctor is threatened with his livelihood for prescribing a treatment that his clinical judgement indicates is warranted with his medical liability in the balance, is this a ban?

    In South Africa and Australia they are faced with imprisonment for doing so, and in England and Spain they can be called up for psychiatric evaluation based on doing so, are these a ban? This does not even include the clever manipulation of pharmacists to act with the knowledge of practicing medicine while countermanding a licensed physician’s prescription simply to support state borne agendas. I don’t know. Is any of this what you describe as banned? I do, and I do not know why we can not have an honest conversation about this without the need for such games as you seem to be playing here.

    Beyond teasing these details apart while suggesting these nuances are more than nuances, why do you not simply voice your input here on this topic, and relate your views against any of these statements shared by Ted, Uri, Linda and myself. There is a good bit of meat on the bone here to chew about, and an honest debate, as Ted has generously opened to the floor here, is quite a rare opportunity in our modern age where only Vaccine-supporting dogma is normally authorized to discuss.

  30. As I said your statement was not accurate. By the way there are handful of therapeutics that currently are being used against Covid-19 plus several others in the testing stage.

    I do not have an extensive list. Also IVM is not banned as there are many tests conducting its use. Is it banned anywhere I do not know.

  31. Different time frame. Your article is dated this month. I was referring to earlier, say since Mar 2021.. Why don’t you acknowledge the truth when giving your examples.

  32. Ted, made a blanket assertion that therapeutics are banned in Israel and the USA. That is simply a faulty assertion.

  33. therapeutics are not banned you are simply wrong about that.

    What therapeutics are you referencing are available in Israel? Monoclonal antibodies? or the recent toxic treatment Pharma boondangles? I know IVM is only available in drug trials and Dr. Schwartz has been forced out of practice, it seems, due to his recent study on the great benefits of using IVM early. Is HCQ used early? No. So beyond the recent Pharma experimental products, what is the early treatment you reference. There are many possible safe and effective choices so I am curious of what you are referencing here.