Trump calls for negotiated settlement in Ukraine

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April 20, 2022 | 56 Comments »

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  1. @Felix @Edgar

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  2. @Felix and Edgar

    14. By means of these seven considerations I can forecast victory or defeat.

    15. The general that hearkens to my counsel and acts upon it, will conquer: let such a one be retained in command! The general that hearkens not to my counsel nor acts upon it, will suffer defeat:–let such a one be dismissed!

    16. While heading the profit of my counsel, avail yourself also of any helpful circumstances over and beyond the ordinary rules.

    17. According as circumstances are favorable, one should modify one’s plans.

    18. All warfare is based on deception.

    19. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near.

    20. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him.

    21. If he is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him.

    22. If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant.

    23. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them.

    24. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.

    25. These military devices, leading to victory, must not be divulged beforehand.

    26. Now the general who wins a battle makes many calculations in his temple ere the battle is fought. The general who loses a battle makes but few calculations beforehand. Thus do many calculations lead to victory, and few calculations to defeat: how much more no calculation at all! It is by attention to this point that I can foresee who is likely to win or lose.

    Sun Tzu , “The Art of War” one of Trump’s favorite books he promoted before he was a politician.
    http://classics.mit.edu/Tzu/artwar.html

  3. @FELIX & SEBASTIEN-

    Hello Felix. Glad you are taking a very active posting position recently. You spot the flaws.

    As for “acting crazy”…it was Nixon, as I have posted here before, who said he made a deliberate policy of being erratic and irregular in his comments and occasional actions. He said it made all the enemies of the US wary, and hesitant to act against them, as they never knew what he would do in response to any aggressive action of theirs.

    And as we all know. it worked admirably. In future years some historian will point to Nixon as having been one of the better US Presidents, but brought down by the Vietnam War, the Hippies and the atmosphere of defiance of law and order, causing the reactive Haldeman and Erlichman to major in paranoia. The Oval Office became a War Room in fact and deed.

    What they did then pales into complete nothingness compared to the Democrats today who get away with literally every criminal act imaginable.

  4. @) Peloni. Any kind words that I wrote to you were richly deserved. However, any unkind words that I may have written to you in the heat of debate over the Russo-Ukrainian war were not deserved at all. Please accept my apologies. I become very passionate when discussing politics, especially world politics, and sometimes lose my temper toward people who disagree with my views. I will try my best to avoid getting personal in the future.

  5. Sebastien I believe the whole of nuclear war is crazy and that’s why I used that word. But the ruling capitalism is not crazy in the sense that they will go to any length to protect their power. That’s what John Meirsheimer focused on. It is the importance of the analysis of Reader in his 5 points which noone on site would discuss. Nuclear war is being seriously discussed. I am warning it is a precipice. It is not games they play.

  6. @Felix

    The U.S. Names the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a Terrorist Organization and Sanctions the International Criminal Court

    By Elena Chachko Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 4:05 PM

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/us-names-iranian-revolutionary-guard-terrorist-organization-and-sanctions-international-criminal

    Thankyou, President Trump.

    Biden was planning to take them off the list but is now hesitating.

    …Under the presidency of Donald Trump, the United States walked out of the agreement in 2018 and reinstated economic sanctions against Tehran, which in response, shrugged off restrictions imposed on its nuclear activities…The United States has said it does not negotiate in public and had avoided making any clear statement on the fate of the Revolutionary Guards’ status.

    But Price’s comments appeared to confirm that the Biden administration was hardening its position against removing the designation after a split between its diplomatic fringe, allied with part of the military, and the political wing of the White House.

    The former had favored some kind of gesture toward the Guards on the grounds that dropping the group from the blacklist would have few real-world consequences, while the latter feared criticism from Republicans before the November midterm elections…”
    https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220420-biden-reluctant-to-remove-iran-s-revolutionary-guards-from-terror-list

    Part of our military wants to remove the terrorist designation. Scary. That rules out more Soleimani assassinations.

  7. @Adam
    Thank you for your kind words, but I believe they are poorly deserved.

    Unfortunately, only the first half of the interview is available outside of Rumble. This is the part where he discusses Ukraine though:
    https://odysee.com/@PsychoticCacophony:d/9r4:5
    In the second part of the interview, he discusses oil, Iran and climate change, Elon Musk, Covid, and election fraud…all very short discussions of course, and I am sure you would not be surprised by anything mentioned. The interview was from about a month ago, so FYI. More recently, you are probably aware that Trump has called on Russia/Ukraine to open a dialogue towards a peaceful settlement:
    https://twitter.com/reallizusa/status/1516182347019862017

    If I find the balance of Varney’s interview, I will post it, but it is pretty old, so I wouldn’t hold my breath.

  8. @Peloni. You seem to have bought into Putin’s lie that Ukraine is ruled by ‘the Nazis.” This is not true. And it never has been true. But Nazi influence in Ukraine, was never all that great, and has almost disappeared since a Jew was elected President of Ukraine.

  9. While I haven’t been able to watch the Trump video, his calling for a negotiated settlement does not mean that he opposes military aid to Ukraine, or that he wants Russia to conquer and rule Ukraine. I know that he has denied that this is his policy, and that he has said that if he were still president, he would be tougher, not less tough on Russia than the Biden administration.

    Zelensky has also called for a negotiated settlement. Putin has said that he is open to one. . France and Germany have both pleaded with both sides to negotiate a peace agreement. Trump is therefore in good company when he advocates a negotiated settlement. It in no way means that he favors abandoning Ukraine to Russian conquest and occupation.

    In fact, negotiations between Russia and Ukraine have been going on in fits and starts ever since the invasion bagan. Most recently, in Turkey, which has friendly relations with both countrries. But so far, both sides say there is no breakthrough.

    Not Trump’s fault.

  10. “…With the new agreement, Serbia and Kosovo also agreed to designate the Lebanese resistance movement and political party Hezbollah a terrorist organisation in its entirety. ..” ibid

    Again, Thank you, President Trump

    By contrast

    “The Biden Administration is Poised to Hand Hezbollah a Win in Vienna | Opinion”
    March 14, 2022

    https://www.newsweek.com/biden-administration-poised-hand-hezbollah-win-vienna-opinion-1687188

    Shame on you, “President” Biden

  11. @ Felix “Trump’s Kosovo-Serbia normalisation deal is all about Israel
    The deal is not a ‘historic breakthrough’, but another stab in the back of the Palestinian people.

    After signing the normalisation agreement, both Kosovo and Serbia agreed to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Serbia also pledged to move its embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to the contested city. Kosovo, meanwhile, said it will set up its Israel mission in Jerusalem and Israel, almost immediately, recognised Kosovo on the day the deal was announced.@Felix


    https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2020/9/28/trumps-kosovo-serbia-normalisation-deal-is-all-about-israel

    Thank you, President Trump

  12. I can’t watch the Trump video on my Lemon. Could someone, such as Peloni, who is a genius at working the web,find a way of enabling me to watch this? I can’t get Rumble. But I can get YouTube. Many thanks, Peloni.

  13. @Felix

    I don’t think the Russians would sit down with this crazy fellow.

    You are wrong, the Russians would build the table and carry it to Trump just to sit down with him. To begin with, Putin knows that if he refused to do so, Trump could, should and would destroy his economy, quite easily. Additionally, Putin has always desired an official rapprochement with the US over Ukraine, and Trump is the most likely individual to give it to him, because doing so would work against the interests of the Dems, the Rinos and the Deep State(yes it does exist), all of whom exploit the Ukrainian people to their own ends, first by a financial tax and now by a blood tax – both of which are leveraged against Russia’s interests. Beyond this, Trump is very motivated towards pursuing peaceful outcomes by avoiding war and seeking peace, and a peace between NATO and Russia, finally, would be another large feather in Trump’s Peace cap. Furthermore, Russia does not want war, any more than the US would, under Trump that is. Putin’s economy is not destroyed as was envisioned by the idiots in Washington, but it is not smooth sailing for them either. Actually, both sides would economically benefit from peace and be further harmed, economically, geopolitically and politically, if the matter were not to be settled. Hence, both Putin and Trump would be motivated for a number of reasons to do more than sit together. But Trump is not going to approach the situation with anything less than a defiant tone, which will give him greater ability towards seeking a lasting settlement amenable to both sides.

    Of course, all of this would depend on the timing of when Trump might return to office. Sooner would be much much better, and later might be much much much worse.

  14. Trump on Fox to Stuart Varney who pressed him on the War.

    “I lsten to [Vladimir Putin] constantly using the n word. That’s the n word, and he’s constantly using it: the nuclear word. And we never talk of, we say, ‘Oh, he’s a nuclear power.’ But we’re a greater nuclear power. We have the greatest submarines in the world, most powerful machines ever built. Most powerful, and they got built under me. Most powerful machines ever built, and nobody knows where they are. And you should say, ‘Look, if you mention that word one more time, we’re going to send them over, and we’ll be coasting back and forth up and down your coast.’”

    I don’t think the Russians would sit down with this crazy fellow.

    But both parties in America are near enough the same. So if I were Israeli and Jew along with all life I would worry a lot.

  15. @ Edgar G

    Ah yes. Regarding my “peacemakers” comment. I thought that someone might call me on that. FWIW, what I am and who I am is complicated, but does it matter? Am Israel Chai!

  16. @Felix

    What’s this one filed under and how often do you repeat it. Set to go.

    As long as he continues to be slandered and misrepresented. He was the most pro-Israel US president ever. kWhat terrible history? Thermonuclear war, what? What on earth are you going on about?

  17. got out of Iran Deal, recognized united Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and moved the embassy there, recognized Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights and partial conditional sovereignty over Yesha, Abraham Accords, cut off aid to PA and UNRWA, let Israeli engineers fix the bugs in the F35 and sell the fix back to the US for 2 mill, Taylor Force Act, extended title 6 civil rights protections to Jewish and pro-Israel studenfs, energy independence, defeated the islamic state, assassinated soleimani and Isis leader, . ThreatenedI ICC with sanctions on behalf of Israel, withdrew from unhrc over its antisemitism, and more.

    What’s this one filed under and how often do you repeat it. Set to go.

    All that and we have risk of thermo nuclear war.

  18. @Felix

    Trump has a terrible history.

    got out of Iran Deal, recognized united Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and moved the embassy there, recognized Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights and partial conditional sovereignty over Yesha, Abraham Accords, cut off aid to PA and UNRWA, let Israeli engineers fix the bugs in the F35 and sell the fix back to the US for 2 mill, Taylor Force Act, extended title 6 civil rights protections to Jewish and pro-Israel studenfs, energy independence, defeated the islamic state, assassinated soleimani and Isis leader, . ThreatenedI ICC with sanctions on behalf of Israel, withdrew from unhrc over its antisemitism, and more.

  19. Raphael go back to what I wrote. I said it’s good…

    But followed

    Because Trump has a terrible history.

  20. Sebastien But we are not talking about that but about the issues we face. I support the points made by Reader and am the only one to note those points which deal with the overall aims of America. Also his points 3 to 5 which are key to understanding issue of all these leaders of America and again I alone noted those points. Which indicates to me people on sites talk past each other. As you do here. I support Trotsky for many great reasons. Do I really have to list them? The Marxist concept of assimilation was wrong. And Trotsky too criticised himself on that. If you add anything I would listen for sure.

  21. @Felix

    anyone who NEVER
    criticised Trump is really like a member of a cult

    I gather you dislike cults and would never join one. So what’s your criticism of Trotsky?

  22. @Raphael-

    All this time I’vbeen assuming that you are 100% Jew and Zionist. Perhaps I was wrong, that you are a Christian, since you just quoted a verse from Matthew about “peacemakers and sons of god’.

    Originally I was just going to make a short comment, but then realising that this was Not a Torah quote, I posted this above.

    By “peacemakers”, I presume that you are not referring to Kissinger, who was a Son of a B***h., nor Arafat, who was a wormy pile of bull excreta.

  23. Reader No Russia hatred seems.slso to be very rooted in history.

    But your first point has great weight.

    The very worst thing was to become part of the government of the United States of America.

  24. @FelixQuigley

    Can I address the recent appointment of Deborah Lipstadt

    I think she should have refused it because now she can’t speak freely being a government employee.

    Russia hatred has nothing to do with her position which deals exclusively with antisemitism.

    I think “Russia hatred” stems from the simple desire to steal the Russian land.

    If you want to dispossess and kill someone, you are not going to try and figure out what is nice and likeable about them.

  25. @ Felix

    The solution is clear and always has been.

    It is that Ukraine is neutral. That the United States of America [and NATO] backs off.

    That Ukraine becomes totally independent [and less corrupt]. That it organises the area in friendship with Russia.

    That Fascism in Ukraine is ended and that this message is carried into every section of Ukraine. And into all countries.

    Trump is too vague and thus is not bound by any programme and so can revert back to war on Russia. Which is where he was.

    I was right there with you, up until that last sentence, which was a cheap shot. Why is it necessary to fault Trump for calling for peace? Do we hear Biden calling for negotiations? He is just fanning the flames of war. BTW, Trump is right. This is a war that shouldn’t have ever happened, and it wouldn’t have, on his watch.

  26. @Felix

    It is not personal in any way

    And yet the only way you respond to my comments about Trump vis a vis Ukraine is to characterize me as a groupie. Felix, respond to my argument without mentioning my character. That would make it not personal. You may be unfamiliar with this fact as far too many of your responses are to take aim at those you disagree with and find it easier to ignore their arguments while making blind statements of their personality. If you lack any ability to respond with a competent response to my statement, well, I guess that personal jabs may simply be the cap fits you best. Nothing personal, of course.

  27. It is not personal in any way it is my viewpoint anyone who NEVER
    criticised Trump is really like a member of a cult. I can add no more. If the cap fits wear it.

  28. @Felix
    Again with the personal derisions while failing to actually argue why you feel my statements are not supportable. I am no Trump groupie, but as political idol worship goes, you could do a lot worse and probably not much better than to become a devotee of his. For myself, I defend what I believe is fair and correct. Trump’s views and values very closely describe my own and he pursued these values at great cost and against enormous odds which no other politician would consider doing, and this is because he is not really a politician, which only elevates his appeal to me. He is not perfect , but as I have noted previously, seeking perfection in politicians is over-rated and too easily disappointing. He made the world a safer, more reasonable place to live and thrive while opposing many things that have corrupted the world for far too long. The fact that he was unable to correct all of them is no reason to ignore the realities that constrained him a opportunity to enforce his own policy. There are plenty of issues that I see as having been failed by Trump, but many of these are related to the fact that he should, by every right, reason and rule, have had a second term to settle many things left half accomplished or yet undertaken. Among such matters would be a reckoning with Russia on a host of issues, not the least of which would have included the rooting out of corruption within Ukraine and its involvement in NATO.

  29. Can I address the recent appointment of Deborah Lipstadt

    I think my position goes close to Diana Johnstone.

    In these critical Holocaust years there was Jew Hatred and also but nearly always left out Russia and Russian hatred …hatred of Russian people.

    Should she take this approach?)

  30. Reader re your two posts above. They are significant and simply they get to the heart of the issue. I am not trying to flatter it is just true.

    I think I go further because there’s some nihilism in your psyche.

    We are totally at sea because of leadership issue.

    In your two posts you say simple important things

    These are the things that are not being said though.

    For example the game plan of Zelensky you describe very well.

    It is a copy of the Arabs in Palestine (thanks Edgar)

    Also close copy of Izetbegovic. Also the Kosovan leaders in KLA.

    With a United States of America backing up these continual capers.

    There are many worthwhile ideas in your two posts. I won’t repeat them…

  31. Michael when Reader said UKRAINE it is NORMAL PARLANCE to mean the Ukrainian Government. Applies to most countries.

  32. Peloni

    Some people actually a lot, defend everything about Trump they are Trump groupies.

    So There is a stone wall there

  33. Hi, Peloni.

    The West (including the US) is not pursuing peace… No, they are not

    The same applies to “the West” here, as what I said to Reader about “Ukraine”. Who is “The West”? Soros? Schwab? The whole world, it seems, is being run by “wizzards” hiding behind curtains.

  34. Hi, Reader. You said,

    The thing is that Ukraine is not really negotiating and the Russians are losing their patience.

    If you said “Zelenskyy”, “Biden” or “the EU/ NATO”, instead of “Ukraine”, I would agree. Those are the ones who have been gumming up the works. All the Ukrainian people have been doing is fighting and dying — as have the Russian people; and the whole world’s population (sans its leaders) have been suffering along with them.

    Let’s go Brandon! — along with the “men behind the curtain” who control him.

  35. @Felix

    Trump had the power then to change the whole thing right around.

    You cite the date of 2017, when Trump was being investigated as a Russian asset and then suggest he had the “power to change the whole thing right around.” Nothing could be further from the truth. Immediately following the end of the Russia Hoax, the Ukraine Hoax was raised, and then the Covid Hoax. And do not forget that his own govt representatives in Ukraine were the very people testifying against him in the Ukraine Hoax. Trump actually never had a free hand to exercise his policy in Ukraine. Very shortly after the termination of the US ambassador to Ukraine, who was acting as a Soros activist, the Ukraine Hoax was launched to tie his hands in Ukraine.

    Despite this fact, the only attempt by Ukraine to actually enact the Minsk agreements, came about during the Trump administration after he fired . Furthermore, the blatant steps towards war taken by Ukraine began, in coordination with flagrant war hyperbole from Washington, literally within the very first weeks following Trump’s leaving the White House.

    You might make many claims, but to suggest that “Trump had the power then to change the whole thing right around” is quite unsupportable.

  36. @Reader

    The West (including the US) is not pursuing peace.

    No, they are not, and I have not suggested anything that might disagree with this statement. The West, including the US, actually specifically at the direction of the US, has been using every aspect of their activities to bleed Ukraine dry while abusing its people towards the end of threatening and destabilizing Russia, even openly calling for regime change in Russia, which has been called for in the US from leadership on either side of the aisle. In fact, if the US were calling for a settlement or even open to such a suggestion, there would never have been any war. As I have stated many times, Putin’s demands were not extreme and the Minsk agreements could have been pursued at any time over the past 8yrs which, by itself, would have removed the very pretext that Russia raised when it invaded.

  37. @Honeybee

    Next, they will be giving Star and Zapata Counties. Texas to Mexico. And there is Jerusalem. It could be up for grabs.

    There is no honest equivalence between TX border cities/Jerusalem and the Dombas. Neither Mexico nor Jordan have any interest in pursuing a negotiated settlement over the territory you raise in comparison and neither have seen 15K people killed during an ongoing siege of the territory in question. In any case, presume there were. Neither Mexico nor Jordan have been calling for a fair and honest negotiation to settle the issues at hand. Despite these facts, however, the very nations that are objecting to Russia’s alliance and defense of the Dombas, are the very nations that are calling on Israel to turn her lands over to a group of terrorists.

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  38. @Peloni

    The West (including the US) is not pursuing peace.

    The West is not making any mistakes, they are doing exactly what they want and what was planned years ago (now, I am not saying that whoever is doing or planning it it is not insane but it doesn’t matter at this point).

    In my opinion, they want a replay of WWII, this time with a completely defeated Russia whose population will then be reduced through genocide and whose territory will be divided among the victors who then will turn their attention to China.

    The reason I think that is because the unbelievable sanctions and the Ukraine war are meant to isolate and to bleed Russia and to make the Western economies completely independent from Russia before the US and Europe attack it physically.

    Therefore, negotiations will not work, period (they are not supposed to).

  39. The thing is that Ukraine is not really negotiating and the Russians are losing their patience.

    Ukraine is participating in some talks to stall for time in order to get more weapons from its “friends” and to engage in provocations and cheap PR.

    Trump sounds like he just woke up because he is completely ignoring the fact that the whole thing happened because not only Ukraine had refused to follow the Minsk agreements (with the quiet encouragement from the West) but it had kept escalating the situation by adding to its Constitution its wish to join NATO and saying that it wants to re-acquire nuclear weapons.

  40. Wow, giving parts of Ukraine to Russia? Next, they will be giving Star and Zapata Counties. Texas to Mexico. And there is Jerusalem. It could be up for grabs.

  41. As Ted has said the demands of Putin were always very fair and they were so in 2017 when Trump had long conversations with Zelensky. That was the decisive moment. Trump had the power then to change the whole thing right around. What did he do?

  42. @Felix
    I did read your entire statement, as I read all comments here. The point of negotiations is not to bind yourself at the beginning to anything. The fact that Trump is interested in pushing the parties, Ukraine and Russia, towards resolving their issues is all that should be revealed. I know you would like him to capitulate his position to support Russia from the outset, but that is not how negotiations work. This is what I mentioned in my previous post. The carrot and the stick is how you succeed in negotiations, with a clear understanding of what you want and what the opposition needs to accept a settlement. The precision you expect would only be revealed by some numbskull who has no idea what they are doing or how to succeed in their objectives, and that would not be Trump. IMHO, of course.

  43. My post was concise and why not read all of it and thereby deal with it in context.

    I write these posts to be read in context.

    “Trump is too vague and thus is not bound by any programme and so can revert back to war on Russia. Which is where he was.”

  44. @Felix

    It’s good but needs to be more precise.

    This is not how you negotiate a settlement. The precision you call for is the end point that the parties negotiate towards during negotiations. Nothing is ever given away before negotiations begin.

    The fact he is calling for a negotiated settlement is really all that should be offered at this point, especially since he is not in the White House. The simple reality is that Putin was never asking for much that should not have been handled years ago. It only required someone willing to play the role of an interested party in pursuing peace to step up and participate. Trump is such an interested party in pursuing peace as he has demonstrated, with his attempts at pursuing peace with many nations and succeeding in producing far more peace agreements than any other president. I am very happy to have him take this step. It will, however, not be satisfying with many of the war hungry fools who have spent too long sipping too much at the US Pravda propaganda punch bowl.

    There will come a moment when the fog of war will lift and reality will set in. In that moment, many things will be realized, such as Ukraine was always losing the lion share of soldiers and that the humiliating retreat by Russia was never a retreat at all. Such shocking realities will place the public in a sour mood seeing that their soccer team in this live action butchery was never ahead, and only provided a terrible sink into which international funds and arms were funneled for the single purpose of destroying the vilified Putin, who will stand as victorious. In that moment, a disappointed public might be tempted to continue in their delusions and call for US involvement. This is a very dangerous position to place in the hands of the current US administration. So, I am very happy to hear Trump take this position, clearly demonstrating to those whom he can wield some influence, that the path towards a peaceful settlement is much more desirable than any path towards war. The unfortunate reality is that this was always the case and a peaceful negotiated settlement was always possible.

    This more sensible tract was prevented through the actions of the US puppet show in Kiev in order to pull Putin into war and devastate his economy with crippling US sanctions. Well, the crippling sanctions will likely hurt everyone, some more than others, but it is not likely to deal the death blow against Putin. It is a great regret that someone with the aptitude and tendencies towards peace was not in the White House to have protected the Ukrainians and Russians from this terrible fate, not to mention the rippling economic harms felt by the rest of the world. Just one more regret to add to the successful overthrow of the Trump govt.

  45. Peloni and Ted

    It’s good but needs to be more precise.

    The solution is clear and always has been.

    It is that Ukraine is neutral. That the United States of America backs off.

    That Ukraine becomes totally independent. That it organises the area in friendship with Russia.

    That Fascism in Ukraine is ended and that this message is carried into every section of Ukraine. And into all countries.

    Trump is too vague and thus is not bound by any programme and so can revert back to war on Russia. Which is where he was.