Trump calls for negotiated settlement in Ukraine

My sentiments exactly

 

 

April 20, 2022 | 56 Comments »

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  1. @Edgar

    I was and still am a Nixon supporter. He was a brilliant man and politician. The way he rehabilitated himslf shows his grit and real worth.

    I very much agree with your appreciation of Nixon. Nixon was a much maligned and poorly served president who served his country quite well, and was too little appreciated for his successes. The coup carried out against him was a great misfortune for both himself and the country.

  2. @Adam(2)
    While it is true that the Nazi element is small, or it was in 2014, it has enjoyed a greatly disproportionate control in the country for many years now. The sources to support these facts are in no way supportive of Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, at least not most of them. If you find it possible, you should read the works of Richard Sakwa PhD, the son of a Free Polish officer who fled to England, Scott Ritter, Gen. MacGruder, and especially the first-hand testimony, in part, of Jacque Baud, just for starters. They approach the matter from different perspectives, of course, but these perspectives all relate to the reality that NATO has played in ignoring Putin’s moves to interact with the West even amid the violent actions taken against Russia’s allies while isolating her despite her protests.

    [Aside: This was, of course, after the US/NATO betrayed Russia with the Bush/Clinton Carpetbagger activity of HIID in pilfering the Russian state assets in the 90’s which saddled the Russian people with the oligarchic control over their govt while disguising the political theft of the Russian people’s property as Free-Market reforms.]

    I do believe Putin had a greater authority to invade the Dombas than NATO could claim in any of their post-Soviet adventures, none of which would have taken place had the Soviet’s not fallen, and all of which stretched the legal definition of the long established Caroline Test of “self defense”, simply to achieve political goals while more times than not supporting terrorists(including Isis and Al Quida) against established regimes in the name of democracy.

    Back to the Nazi’s…There is a German historian, Tyric Cyril Amar, with whom there is likely no political topic in which he and I might agree, but he does offer a frank discussion of the Nazi’s and how they have become quite integrated into select elements throughout every portion of the Ukrainian army. He teaches in Lviv, and is quite supportive of Ukrainians, just not of their Nazi’s. Here is a recent video where he frankly discusses the Nazi’s in Ukraine. I highly recommend it:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C7DE2KFJHs

    So, though I have not bought into Putin’s rhetoric, I would not change my conclusions simply because I find the truth supports him more than it does those lunatics who champion stumbling about in a hot war on the border of a nuclear power.

    I would be happy to discuss any of this more carefully with you or others, citing my reasons or sources more specifically, but I do appreciate that politics is personal and some things hit too close to home to easily discuss without a passionate inference. /2

  3. @Adam

    You seem to have bought into Putin’s lie that Ukraine is ruled by ‘the Nazis.”

    No, I am not easily swayed by politicians and less so by autocrats, if there is a difference to be seen between the two these days. I have never cited Putin’s words, to my memory, and have only cited those of Lavrov to demonstrate Nyquists blatant dishonesty. I have, however, become quite convinced that the reality is much more nuanced than simply claiming that the Nazi’s rule Ukraine, which would suggest that Porshenko/Zelensky/Yatsenyuk/etc are Nazi’s and this is easily not true. This is as false as equilibrating the limited number of Nazi’s with a limit of their control within the state, and this is also easily disproven. Ukraine has long ago abandoned too many democratic norms and the violent few have had a disproportionate grasp on power within the state and are quite responsible for where Ukraine stands today.

    Whereas Ukraine is not ruled by Nazi’s, they are ruled by political elements that lack the ability to control the Nazi’s and this truth has existed for 8yrs. Zelensky/Porshenko failed to implement the Minsk 1, or Minsk 2 or Minsk 3 treaties. Even with his majority control over parliament and more than 70% of the vote, Zelensky failed to do more than prisoner exchange…he did try to pull his troops back, but was blocked by violent threats when he personally attempted to force the issue at the front lines. He was threatened personally by Yarosh, leader of Right Sector, by Azov battalion leaders, and by the troops on the front lines he ordered to withdraw. Poroshenko felt the same threat while in office from Azov and Svoboda, though he never pushed so far as Zelensky. So it isn’t that Zelensky is a Nazi, but he is either a poor leader or a captured cog in the machine unable to wield his sizeable political influence against the wishes of the Nazis. To demonstrate these facts, he willingly employs Nazi’s having rehired Yarosh last October without debate, excuse or apologies, while he displays Nazi’s openly as heroes as he unabashedly did before the Greek parliament, and ignores/excuses their vile ideology as being acceptably excused as he did in the Fox News interview. Though he is a Jew, he is as complicit in their support as is Poroshenko and Nuland, and as a Jew I find his complicity to be particularly contemptible, though not beyond the political reality in which he is caught. I am further appalled by Zelensky’s moves towards further dissembling what democratic norms did exist in Ukraine, moving to silence the political opposition, while simultaneously embracing his Nazi minions. Amid this, the numerous local politicians that have been arrested/executed for their pro-Russian position is intollerable to any liberally(small ‘L’) minded person.
    /1

  4. To get clarity on Bucha is important

    Follow up waronfakes.com first

    https://waronfakes.com/lies-about-bucha/what-happened-in-bucha-a-full-analysis-of-the-ukrainian-provocation/

    https://waronfakes.com/lies-about-bucha/sputnik-and-fakodrom-what-is-known-about-the-situation-in-bucha-on-6-04/

    https://waronfakes.com/lies-about-bucha/fake-russian-soldiers-killed-a-young-ukrainian-woman-in-bucha/

    There’s the case of a young woman

    https://chernayakobra.ru/a-living-corpse-and-fake-threats-how-are-new-fakes-about-bucha-being-thrown-in-again/

  5. Sebastien

    Great culture in the Jewish people

    “Remember, mommy,
    I’m off to get a commie,
    So send me a salami,
    And try to smile somehow.
    I’ll look for you when the war is over,
    An hour and a half from now!”

    Edgar agree the Democrats crossed the line on Nixon. That set the pattern. Once America was a very cultural place and I don’t mean Hollywood either. Politically correct feminism did a lot of this

  6. @SEBASTIEN-

    I found the Nixon Strategy item very interesting. I was and still am a Nixon supporter. He was a brilliant man and politician. The way he rehabilitated himslf shows his grit and real worth.

    But, sorry to say I don’t pay much attention to any of that Sun Tzu crap. Any half intelligent 2nd lieut. would automatically know all that stuff without having to read Sun Tzu. It reads like a grade 3 Elementary School text book. It should be called “Common Sense for Simple-Minded Kids”.

    All of history’s military leaders for 2-3000 years before the alleged time of Sun Tzu, (which seems to be a collection of aphorisms from different periods) followed similar dictums, with the more successful adding a little extra, which paid them their dividends-until they crumbled over time, and made way for the next big man on the block…

    The ones who were different were Hannibal, Wallenstein, and maybe the early and very late Napoleon in his last brilliant battles in France before his abdication;. also a few Swedish kings beginning with Gustavus Adolphus.