‘Islamization of Europe a good thing’
Rabbi Baruch Efrati believes Jews should ‘rejoice at the fact that Europe is paying for what it did to us for hundreds of years by losing its identity.’ He praises Islam for promoting modesty, respect for God
bY Kobi Nahshoni, YNET
As concerns grow over the increasing number of Muslims in Europe, it appears not everyone is bothered by the issue, including an Israeli rabbi who even welcomes the phenomenon.
Rabbi Baruch Efrati, a yeshiva head and community rabbi in the West Bank settlement of Efrat, believes that the Islamization of Europe is actually a good thing.
“With the help of God, the gentiles there will adopt a healthier life with a lot of modesty and integrity, and not like the hypocritical Christianity which appears pure but is fundamentally corrupt,” he explained.
Rabbi Efrati was asked to discuss the issue by an oriental studies student, who inquired on Judaism’s stand toward the process Europe has been going through in recent years.
Following the election of a hijab-wearing Muslim woman as the mayor of the Bosnian city of Visoko for the first time in continent’s history, the student asked the rabbi on the Kipa website: “How do we fight the Islamization of Europe and return it to the hands of Christians and moderates?”
Efrati wrote in response that the Islamization of Europe was better than a Christian Europe for ethical and theological reasons – as a punishment against Christians for persecuting the Jews and the fact that Christianity, as opposed to Islam, is considered “idolatry” from a halachic point of view.
“Jews should rejoice at the fact that Christian Europe is losing its identity as a punishment for what it did to us for the hundreds of years were in exile there,” the rabbi explained as the ethical reason for favoring Muslims, quoting shocking descriptions from the Rishonim literature (written by leading rabbis who lived during the 11th to 15th centuries) about pogroms and mass murders committed by Christians against Jews.
“We will never forgive Europe’s Christians for slaughtering millions of our children, women and elderly… Not just in the recent Holocaust, but throughout the generations, in a consistent manner which characterizes all factions of hypocritical Christianity…
“A now, Europe is losing its identity in favor of another people and another religion, and there will be no remnants and survivors from the impurity of Christianity, which shed a lot of blood it won’t be able to atone for.”
‘Islam a relatively honest religion’
The theological reason, according to Rabbi Efrati, is that Christianity – which he sees as idolatry – has a tendency to “destroy normal life and abstain from it on the one hand, while losing modesty on the other hand,” as it “ranges between radical monasticism to radical Western licentiousness.”
Islam, the rabbi added, is “a religion which misjudges its prophets but is relatively honest. It educates a bit more for a stable life of marriage and creation, where there is certain modesty and respect for God.”
Efrati ruled, therefore, that “even if we are in a major war with the region’s Arabs over the Land of Israel, Islam is still much better as a gentile culture than Christianity.”
He added, however, that Jews must pray that the Islamization of most of Europe will not harm the people of Israel.
To Yamit82 and Feenix,
A Bronx Tale
After the congregants of an Orthodox synagogue could no longer afford their rent, they found help in the local mosque
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-and-religion/88849/a-bronx-tale-3
While the Jewish congregants are thankful for their new home, they hope that one day they can rebuild their own synagogue. That day may be far off: Even now that they have space to worship, they still struggle to operate. They don’t have proper heating inside, and the portable working heater could not reach the separate area where the elderly women are seated, forcing them to wear their jackets during the entire service. Congregants are appealing for financial support from the Jewish community and other congregations.
But Leon Bleckman and others say they now also have loftier goals, including reviving the Jewish presence in the neighborhood and reaffirming the positive relationship with their Muslim friends. “We are able to co-exist together side by side in the same building,” said Assistant Rabbi Avi Friedman, 42. “That’s sort of like a taste of the future world to come—the messianic future where all people live in peace.”
Mohammed Said:
I’m not agreeing with you at all but you seem to be admitting that it certainly flourished with Mohatmed, your lowlife “prophet”, down to his present-day followers. Thanks for fessing up, Moe!
dove Said:
Yes. By all means let’s keep our mouths shut.
Oh, and dance. Yes, they like it when we dance.
@ Mohammed:
Pedophilia began in caves between cavemen snuggeling under a bear skin,hiding from taradyctils.
Yamit82 is NOT a coward,although he is a vokah swilling flirt!!!!!!!!!!!
To Yamit82
“Can you prove that is true?”
Yes, you ignorant fool. Ask your Rabbi, but you probably never went to pray.
Jew In a Mosque?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4XjawGwHsw
To Bernard Ross, I did not post this anywhere else. Mohammed is a common name, it wasnt’ me.
Feenix
Peodofilia begins in Jewdaism. If this your case against Islam you have no case, but you have a big case against Jewdaism. You people gave up Jewdaism for the same reasons you want us to give up Islam, but we will never do that. This is why you are weak, and fear your enemies so much. Yamit82 you are coward.
@ Shy Guy:
This is precisely why it is unwise for Jews to say or do anything that could bring on more hatred to us. Be mindful at all times that you are a Jew. Be proud. There is a reason why there are no kneelers in our synogogues. STAND TALL. An example of yet another unwise rabbi who told me that he would deliberately try to get a rise out of people by walking into malls wearing his talit and looking for those opposed. This is a wrong motive.
Linda Rivera Said:
There were Germans like that in the 30’s and 40’s.
When you go for revenge,dig two graves
Linda Rivera Said:
i would not say “many”.
a more accurate statement would be ‘there are SOME europeans and brits who don’t hate jews’
i think the point raised by many posters, and certainly mine as well, is the fact that this rabid pathological hatred and the ensuing pogroms, where millions of jews were savagely murdered under the pious eyes of the church and other governing bodies DESERVES retribution.
the defacing of europe by the presence of these musloids is a kind of poetic justice for these very people.
There are many Europeans and Brits who don’t hate Jews! And there are Europeans and Brits who are very, very strong supporters of Jews and Israel.
Europe’s Freedom Parties and Europe’s Defense Leagues are all strong supporters of Israel and Jews.
The English Defence League are strong supporters of Israel and Jews and hold large Israeli flags at their street demos. The EDL are viciously persecuted by UK leaders.
British Freedom (Party) are also strong supporters of Israel.
When you wish for bad things on Europeans and British because of vile Jew-haters, PLEASE DON’T FORGET the Europeans and Brits who STRONGLY SUPPORT JEWS AND ISRAEL.
Is he serious? And you who agree, —- are you serious? This is sounding like it is straight out of a Muslim’s mouth. I do NOT wish Islam on any country.
This is not my world anymore.
Mohammed,
kindly study what really your religion stands for, don’t display a sorry ignorance about your own religion: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
DISCLAIMER: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Statement-on-Muslims.htm
More on Islam: http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Main_Page
The world would have been much better without ever having lived Mohammed and created that monstruous religion Islam. If the Roman Catholic Church would have never existed, would have been also very good for the world: http://www.sixmillioncrucifixions.com
Mohammed Said:
Sorry Mo, apparently you do not have a mirror, let me quote again to refresh your memory
Shy Guy Said:
Is there something in that quote that you do not understand? Perhaps if you read it a few times you will comprehend why Islam is considered with loathing, revulsion and contempt. Perhaps it is the behavior of the followers of Islam that attracts loathing.
I notice you have been spreading your propaganda around other jewish websites, pretending that the muslims did not embrace Hitler wholeheartedly. I search and search on a daily basis and find an incredibly small amount of articles from muslims repudiating the general muslim behaviors that attract so much loathing. Such muslims exist but they are very difficult to find. However, I do see a lot of muslim energy spent on defending their “reputations” from “slander”. They have global organizations at the UN to prevent “slander” of their medieval behavior but little spent on apologising for the bloodthirsty excesses exhibited by their followers. RE Islam it appears that “familiarity breeds contempt”
@ the phoenix:
Boker Tov, phoenix.
the phoenix Said:
I discovered what you say very recently. I had an exchange (here, in Israpundit) with someone calling himself “Iranian”. He managed to make 3 comments without replying to any of my points, and when i challenged him to cite facts, he just disappeared!
@ Mohammed:
Certain verses of the Koran contain high praise for the Jewish people, such as:
“Children of Israel, remember My Favor which I have bestowed upon you, and that I exalted you above the nations.” — Koran, Sura 2 “The Cow” at 122; and
“Thereafter We said to the Children of Israel: ‘Dwell securely in the Promised Land, and when the Promise of the Hereafter is near fulfillment, We shall gather you all together.'” — Koran, Sura 17 “The Children of Israel” at 104;
Seems to me that even according to your god, his prophet and scriptures that it’s the Arabs who are occupying JEWISH LAND
other verses viciously attack the Jewish people (and sometimes Christians), such as:
“O Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians as your friends; they are friends of each other. Whoever of you makes them his friends is one of them! God guides not the people of the Evildoers!” — Koran, Sura 5 “The Dinner Table” at 51; and
“… [Jews are] those whom Allah has cursed and with whom He has been angry, [consequently] transforming them into apes and pigs, and [into] those who serve Satan.” — Koran, Sura 5 “The Dinner Table” at 60; and
“You will see many among them [the Jews] competing with each other in sin and wickedness and in practicing that which is unlawful. Evil is what they do. Why do their rabbis and leaders not forbid them to blaspheme and practice that which is unlawful? Evil indeed are their doings. The Jews say, ‘Allah’s Hand is chained.’ May their own hands be chained! May they be cursed for what they say. …” — Koran, Sura 5 “The Dinner Table” at 62-64; and
“You will find that the most implacable of men in their hostility to the faithful [followers of Allah] are the Jews and the pagans; and that the nearest in affection to the faithful [followers of Allah] are those who say: ‘We are Christians.’ …” — Koran, Sura 5 “The Dinner Table” at 82; and
“The Jews say: ‘Ezra is the Son of God.’ The Christians say: ‘The Messiah is the Son of God.’ That is the utterance of their mouths, conforming with the [false doctrines of the] unbelievers before them. God assail them! How they are perverted!” — Koran, Sura 9 “The Immunity” at 30.
Even worse, the Hadith (Islam’s oral tradition which has preserved the extra-Koranic teachings of Mohammed as extrapolated from his words and deeds, as narrated by venerated sources), spews forth a cascade of calumnies and incitements against the Jewish people, the most infamous of which is:
“The Resurrection of the Dead will not come until the Muslims will war with the Jews, and the Muslims will kill them; … the trees and rocks will say, ‘O Muslim, O Servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.'” (see Hadith compilations of Sahih Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176 as narrated by Abdullah bin Umar, and Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177 as narrated by Abu Huraira).
There is also the well-entrenched Islamic belief that, also during the time of God’s Judgment upon Humankind, Dajjal (the Anti-Christ) will begin to dominate the Earth together with his army of 70,000 Yahud (Jews) until Isa (Jesus) is resurrected and thereafter destroys Dajjal as well as his Jewish minions.
other verses viciously attack the Jewish people (and sometimes Christians), such as:
The conflict between the Jews and Arabs is a religious conflict sometimes wrapped in the garb of nationalism and land disputes
@ yamit82:
I think you are being very kind, yamit.
My comment to dionissis is awaiting moderation:(
It is great to have the toolbars back 🙂
@ dionissis mitropoulos:
Yassou dionissis,
The Muslim idea of a dialogue with the infidel is: they get to spew their fabricated lies uninterrupted and lace it with hypocritical self delusions as to how righteous they are.
all the while, the infidel must act like a good dhimmi and not interrupt nor confuse the ‘brilliant speaker’ with the facts. Above all, (and here is the sick joke that Islam is) do not expose the truth about Islam by quoting from their accursed book
No. That would wound the musloid sensitivity and thus, justify the collective unspeakable acts of heinous crimes committed daily by these illiterate, unwashed, filthy, and disgusting bunch of inbreds
@ Mohammed:
Mohammed Said:
“All Jewish Rabbis belive the same as R Efrati”?
Can you prove that is true?
They say: “one can know a person by who his friends are”.
Some say: “we are what we eat”.
If we were to judge your Allah and his bloodthirsty elliptic pedophile Prophet, only by the attributes of his followers: Then it would be logical to deduce that they are both Moronic Imbeciles.
dionissis mitropoulos Said:
It is obvious that i meant “…having given US”, not “as”.
@ Mohammed:
Mohammed Said:
Silly me!
I have always thought it was your religious Islamic pride that could not swallow coexisting with your former Jewish dhimmis that was the cause of Palestinian terrorism.
But no, you just set the record straight, it is a matter of land, not a matter of religious pride.
Therefore the Israeli offer of 95% of the West Bank and the whole of Gaza must have not been enough for Palestinians to live, otherwise they would have accepted it, since they are not the religious fanatics i have always considered them to be – thanks for the insight.
One more question for you: are you certain that Allah is on your side? I mean, what with allowing the Jews to prosper (do you know how many Nobel Prize winners they’ve got?), and resettling in their ancient land, one is tempted to believe that, if Allah exists, then Allah is on the side of the Jews.
@ Mohammed:
Mohammed Said:
That’s a truism, isn’t it?
I mean, part of the meaning of the term “my enemy” is that she is someone we hate. If someone is an enemy of Islam, obviously she will hate it. So apart from having given as an elucidation of the meaning of the term “enemy” (one we didn’t really need, for it is a very common term and everybody knows its meaning)you have not offered us anything that explains why the enemies of Islam are blameworthy for being enemies of Islam.
In fact, you did not even answer the accusations of Shy Guy that, i am quoting him, “Islam is a totalitarian religion of immense cruelty, promoting murder, rape, injustice and the attempt to subjugate and enslave all of humanity to it”.
At this point, if you wished to be rational, you were supposed to explain why this is not the case with Islam, or, if it is so, why it should be considered morally permissible or desirable – i wish you good luck in justifying cruelty to gays, women and infidels.
Instead, you called him blind and rejoiced in being a Muslim.
I am an atheist and don’t know much about religions, so help me out a little with this question: are all Muslims so inept in rational thinking and argumentation, or is it just you?
To Yamit82
My question remains unanaswered. This opinion of Rabbi Efrati is not unique. All your Rabbis believe this. So either they are wrong, or you are wrong.
C.R. says:
Another mentally ill rabbi–how very common–what an ignorant fool!
Rabbi Efrati maybe mistaken, but mentally ill?
Coming from one who sees commies behind every rock and under every bed, I would be very careful of who you call mentally ill.
ENJOY;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2jnX2y30DE&feature=fvwrel
Mohammed
I second Shy Guy’s comment but doubled.
November 12, 2012 at 9:35 pm
To Yamit82
Bosnian Muslims and European Muslims always helped Jews in Europe, Why are you slandering them like this?Ever hear of a SWORD MUSLIM? https://www.israpundit.org/2008/?p=7148&cpage=1#comment-36322
In India alone 80 million Hindus massacred by Muslims.
With the recent terrorist attacks in India allthough tragic it is
important to remeber that it is only part of a larger picture and a drop
in the bucket compared with the ongoing Islamic genocide and occupation
of the Indian subcontinent. And this is only a single region in Islams
grand strategy of bringing the entire world into the fold of dar
al-Islam through offensive Jihad eg Umayyad Conquest of North Africa
which started in around 600 A.D. the conquest of Hispania which occurred
in the 700?s, and the invasions of Southern Italy which occurred in the
800?s, the crusades didn’t start until 1000 AD.
Under the Rashidun in unprovoked wars of aggression first in the
unprovoked war of aggression against the Zoroastrian Sassanid Empire of
Persia they conquered Persia and Mesopotamia between 633 and 656, they
then conquered Syria in 637, then they conquered Armenia in 639, then
they conquered Egypt in 639, then they conquered North Africa in 652.
Under the Umayyads they finished their conquest of North Africa in
665, then between 662 and 709 they conquered Afghanistan, Uzbekistan,
Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and southwest Kazakhstan, then
between 664 and 712 they conquered the Indian sub-continent, then
between 711 and 718 they conquered the Iberian Peninsula of Hispania,
they then laid siege to Constantinople between 717 and 718, then between
711 and 750 they conquered the Caucasus, they then conquered Tbilisi in
736, and they then conquered southern Italy in 827.
whoa, musloid! whoa!
less than a month ago, i wrote to you:
” the phoenix says:
October 20, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Mohammed Said:
Yuur understanding of Islam is incorrect
yo!
musloid!
we read your book you magnificent bastard!”
…….
i did not quite think that you’d know what i was talking about, so tohelp you out:
([outmaneuvering rommel]…
patton: [referring to rommel’s book, ‘infantry attacks’] rommel… you magnificent bastard, *i read your book*!)
obviously in your case, musloid, i was refering to your kkkoran…
shy guy’s post was only a mild FACTUAL description of this accursed cult of death that has plagued the earth for the past 1400 years…
i agree that the ‘enlightened’ european DO deserve to have you in their midst, and to experience the visual, auditory and olfactory pollution caused by your presence.
rabbi efrati must get up to speed on this cult by READING the kkkoran and the biography of mo’HAM mad and only THEN talk of this religion of piss, after he is a bit more knowledgeable.
Canadian Otter
Efrat has around 8000 residents including many many young children
There are several rabbis in Efrat among them another Kook rabbi Riskin, who is in love with evangelical Christians.That for me is a greater concern.
see: Rabbi Riskin’s Parasha commentary finds unity in the Shema, the trinity, and buddhism
http://jewishisrael.ning.com/profiles/blogs/rabbi-riskin-s-parasha-commentary-finds-unity-in-the-shema-the-tr
Maybe one Kooky rabbi cancels out the other. Or we can chalk it up to Israeli Jewish pluralism.
Shy is kind in calling it ignorance. I go for stupidity.
“All that is thought should not be said, all that is said should not be written, all that is written should not be published, all that is published should not be read.”-
Rabbi Menachem Mendel Morgenstern of Tomashov (the Kotzker Rebbe)
TO YAMIT:
You write: “I don’t understand the reaction when some obscure rabbi with limited to no standing utters nonsense.”
~~~~~~~~
He does not appear to be just any obscure rabbi. “Rabbi Baruch Efrati is a yeshiva head and community rabbi in the West Bank settlement of Efrat”
He’s a teacher and a leader. His words must have some influence on youth and all those around him.
Anything that undermines the proper identification of the enemy can have serious consequences for Israel.
Another mentally ill rabbi–how very common–what an ignorant fool!
Ted, I agree with the Rabbi that the enslavement of Europe under Islamofascism would be just rewards for their genocide against us — except for one minor problem:
It would give them control of the French and British nuclear arsenals.
Shy, are you blind? I have interest in your diseased mind and what you think of Islam. Read my question again,if you cannot answer don’t show me your ass. If you liked Islam, I would have a big problem with being Muslim. It’s beauty is that people like you hate it. Allah (SWT) warned about this and it is why it is Islam. The enemies of Islam will always hate it, if they didn’t we wouldn’t be Muslim, inshallah.
Ted, free my comment up. Toda.
Dear Moe,Islam is a totalitarian religion of immense cruelty, promoting murder, rape, injustice and the attempt to subjugate and enslave all of humanity to it.Islam is to be loathed. Like the parasite which it is, Islam needs to be eradicated from the midst of all sensible civil societies around the world and be tossed back into the sandbox out of which it came.
p.s. Piss be upon your prophet.
Please, my comment to Yamit82 about Bosnia’s SS Handashar division, and the exaggerated lies by the enemies of Islam should be approved as soon as possible.
To Shy Man
“”It’s his ethical reason I agree with, not his theological reason:””
Why not theological?
Which Jewdaism you follow, and which Rabbi said Islam is idolatry? If you are you a Christian Jewish messianic then you are the one who is following idolatry not Muslims.
Canadian Otter
I don’t understand the reaction when some obscure rabbi with limited to no standing utters nonsense.
A quick check of Google shows there are thousands of of re quotes. That shows that anytime any Jew says something the Jew haters love they embrace it.
Now why would YNet publish such a comment?
If it were said by someone of stature and import I might understand.
I agree that he is ignorant of Islam and should check his facts before making statements and rulings but his general feelings about Europe match mine.
To Ted BelmanWhen people come with the intent to grab land and expel natives living there, it is silly of you to blame the religion. If they were Buddhists or any other religion, or Christianity they would do the same. Hizbollah, has Christians, and Yasser Arafat’s PLO was Christian dominated at the elite top. The marxist Christian Georgos Habash was blowing up planes and encouraging suicide bombers against israel long before Hamas or Islamic Jihad were born.Every religion, not just Islam encourages it’s followers to fight those who seek to grab their land and expel them. The early Zionists who came to Palestine came with the mentality that Hitler’s Europe had, that the Arabs were inferior and had to be expelled. They were racist and whomever was living there would resist them, regardless of religion.Do not make more enemies than you already have. A secular Europe is no more accepting of Israels land theft than an Islamic one would be or a Christian one. The Arab Christians are no more accepting of Israel, even less so than the Muslim Arabs. This is not a religious problem. It is a political one.
To Yamit82
Bosnian Muslims and European Muslims always helped Jews in Europe, Why are you slandering them like this? In World War 1 and 2 they were not the leaders of Europe. When they were, (Turkey) then you can judge their deeds, not when they were forced to do what they did in war. They had no choice but to join, had they refused they would have been starved. Many Jews too, worked against Jews for the same reason, and many other groups too. In war manny alliances were made agaisnt the will of the people, they did it because they had no choice. Did you see this TV radio programme by the BBC? It is a very fair one, instead of anti Muslim propaganda,
Hitler’s Muslim Legions
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/radio4/2010/07/hitlers_muslim_legions.html
Fascination with the Second World War and Nazism is one of the abiding characteristics of post war Britain. By 2010, you’d think that almost every conceivable topic and angle has been covered. But not so. Programmes on
television and radio continue to be made and books by distinguished historians about the period continue to come off the printing presses. Recently one such caught my eye. It was by Jonathan Trigg and entitled ‘Hitler’s Jihadis.’ I knew nothing of this story and wondered how it came about, how many were involved,
how this could be reconciled with Hitler’s Aryan fantasies. Questions came tumbling out and I turned that into a proposal for a radio documentary.
Later this month Radio 4 will broadcast a programme called Hitler’s Muslim Legions. A clue as to the care and attention taken in producing this programme was the discussion surrounding the title. Was it right to juxtapose Hitler and
Muslims like this? Is the word legions appropriate – especially the use of the plural?
The story reveals that over 70,000 Muslims fought for Hitler, many in the Waffen SS. There are photographs of Himmler visiting these Muslim soldiers and
an extraordinary photograph of Hitler in conversation with the Grand Mufti of
Jerusalem (although not a figure of lasting significance, he was central to the
recruitment of Bosnian Muslims). The title is undoubtedly accurate.
However the debate illustrates some of the care taken in making what is
nevertheless a challenging documentary. As story it fits comfortably within a
tradition on Radio 4 of exploring little known aspects of the war: Document, for
example, reported how thousands of Sikhs renounced allegiances with Britain and
instead fought for Hitler; Secret Warriors looked at the involvement of British
Jews in the 1947 War of Independence and militant activity against British
forces; France’s Forgotten Concentration Camps investigated French collaboration
with the Germans; Crossing Continents (Reopening Lithuania’s old wounds)
reported on allegations that Holocaust survivors had committed war crimes. So
the basic idea for the programme was not exceptional.
What of the story itself? Well, with over 70,000 people involved, it was
clearly a significant enough number for it to be of import. However, of course,
many more Muslims fought for the Allies – and this is made clear in the
programme. But there are other fascinating aspects of the story: how did they
reconcile their vision of a master race made of Aryans with using Muslims to
fight for them? And what motivated the Muslims to join up? The answers reveal
much about the contradictions and absurdities of Nazism. The motivations of the
Muslims themselves (“starve or join”) are telling about the realities of
war.
Inevitably a little-known story such as this restricts the cast list of
contributors. In fact we found a number of serious historians who did know
something of the story. What was surprising – well, perhaps not altogether
surprising – was the paucity of Muslim scholarship. We did try a range of Muslim
academics and organisations and all but one felt they did not know enough about
the subject to contribute . But the programme did pull off a coup – an
eyewitness account: a German, now in his 80s, lived and worked with Muslim
soldiers when he was 19.
Indeed, thanks to the journalistic diligence of the producer Jenny Chryss and
the measured commentary of seasoned reporter, Julian O’Halloran, Hitler’s Muslim
Legions throws an illuminating light on a remarkable chapter in the continuing
story of the Second World War.
“And how do you know that he’s not actually an ignoramus when it comes to Islam? There are millions of them!”
…
shy guy,
if i may, i am CERTAIN that otter’s comment was meant with the OBVIOUS assumption that “knowing everything we know about islam, how could ANYONE and especially a rabbi utter such GARBAGE”?
while your point, were it valid, i.e. the rabbi is a complete ignoramus idiot is well taken.
as such let’s give him the benefit of the doubt.
but otter’s comment is SPOT ON.
“Jews should rejoice at the fact that Christian Europe is losing its identity as a punishment for what it did to us for the hundreds of years were in exile there,” the rabbi explained as the ethical reason for favoring Muslims, quoting shocking descriptions from the Rishonim literature (written by leading rabbis who lived during the 11th to 15th centuries) about pogroms and mass murders committed by Christians against Jews.“We will never forgive Europe’s Christians for slaughtering millions of our children, women and elderly… Not just in the recent Holocaust, but throughout the generations, in a consistent manner which characterizes all factions of hypocritical Christianity…“A now, Europe is losing its identity in favor of another people and another religion, and there will be no remnants and survivors from the impurity of Christianity, which shed a lot of blood it won’t be able to atone for.”
Why does the Rabbi ignore the persecution and pogroms of Jews under islamic rule?
Islam, the rabbi added, is “a religion which misjudges its prophets but is relatively honest. It educates a bit more for a stable life of marriage and creation, where there is certain modesty and respect for God.” Efrati ruled, therefore, that “even if we are in a major war with the region’s Arabs over the Land of Israel, Islam is still much better as a gentile culture than Christianity.”
Again, this is nuts. islam sanctions polygamy, child marriages, marriage between first cousins, “honor” murders. The idea that islam is better for family values than Christianity is just plain nuts. I don’t take issue with him as far as the notion that Europe’s islamization is deserved punishment for its treatment of Jews and continued treatment of Jews. But that’s precisely the point, islam is a punishment for them, not something good.
And how do you know that he’s not actually an ignoramus when it comes to Islam? There are millions of them!
To YAMIT – What concerns me too is what else are Israeli rabbis teaching their students?
One wonders what exactly motivates Isaeli rabbis who knowingly distort facts to the detriment of Israel and the Jews.
Regarding Diaspora rabbis and Jewish organizations leaders, it’s hopeless….
Canadian Otter says:
November 12, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Don’t some rabbi’s say the damnedest things? 🙂
At least he does not pretend to be politically correct.
He did not note that some of Hitler’s closest collaborators were
Muslims like the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, and that
Hitler easily formed a Muslim Bosnian SS unit to exterminate Jews.
If all of Europe were vaporized in a Mushroom Cloud, there would be no crocodile tears from me.
The next best thing is their becoming Islamic with a Muslim takeover.
I like the first option best.
Finding something ‘right’ does not dismiss everything that is ‘wrong’.
It’s his ethical reason I agree with, not his theological reason:
“…ethical and theological reasons – as a punishment against Christians for
persecuting the Jews and the fact that Christianity, as opposed to
Islam, is considered “idolatry” from a halachic point of view.”
Shy Guy
We are in agreement. I know the similarities between Islam and Judaism; modesty, separation of sexes, no idolotry etc. But those similarities are no reason to ignore our differences which could be the death of us. Our similarities are no reason to argue that the Islamization of Europe would be an improvement on secular Europe.
I almost fell off my chair upon reading those statements. We’re used to read outrageous statements by Diaspora rabbis, but Rabbi Baruch Efrati happens to live in the settlements. He breathes the air thick with hatred and violence from his Arab neighbors. He has probably seen first hand the remains of Jews murdered in the name of The Religion of Peace. He is supposed to be a learned man, an Israeli Jew, a moral man. His own country now is besieged north, south and east by Islam. What part of “Kill the Jews” doesn’t the good rabbi understand?
I agree with the rabbi – and we both won’t STFU.
(Clarification: I totally disagree with the rabbi regarding anything even a pinch complementary about Islam).