There is no acceptable Two State Solution (TSS)

Michael Diamond, Board Member of the Canada Israel Committee, sends me his commentary on the Commentary article by Rick Richman.
The focus of the poll and the Richman article is what the Palestinians don’t want. If the same poll was asked of Israelis, an even bigger majority would reject it.

This is a short article which tells you what you need to know about the status of efforts to generate peace through a two state solution.

In summary, what it says is

1. there are many forms of a two state solution

2. Israel cannot accept a two state solution which includes a right of return, nor can it accept a militarized Palestinian state, nor a state which results in indefensible borders-  recent history has proven that is a recipe for annihilation

3. a two state solution which includes a right of return, and requires Israel to take a serious risk with borders, and also requires removal of 100,000 Jews from a new Palestinian state (but does not require removal of Palestinians from Israel proper) is not welcomed by Palestinians based on poll results.

4. the only version of a two state solution the Palestinians are in favour of is one which Israel cannot accept.

5. and all of this is only based on what Palestinians are telling us….if you broaden the survey to the Arab world, the results would be far worse, as much of the Arab world wants no Israel at all.

Obama may want to see peace talks re-started, but he and Kerry need to understand the basics.  I do not think they have the foggiest idea of how far we are from the reality of a two state solution.  And while the alternative of continuing as is is difficult, and continues to put enormous pressure on Israel, the alternative of accepting what PAlestinians are expecting is far worse- a militarized Palestinian state highly connected if not controlled by Hamas, which is sworn to wish to eliminate Israel, supported by a to-be-nuclearized Iran, right across the street, literally from the major Israeli population centres.

Everyone Still Doesn’t Know What Everyone Supposedly Knows
By Rick Richman, Commentary Magazine

Earlier this week, the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) released a new poll of 1,270 Palestinians. The Jerusalem Post highlighted one of the findings: “poll finds 55% support two-state solution.” The PCPSR has been releasing these polls since 2003, and they always lead to misleading headlines such as the one in the Jerusalem Post–because a “two-state solution” as used in the polls doesn’t mean what you think it means.

In addition to polling whether Palestinians support a two-state solution in general, the PCPSR polls the support for a two-state solution modeled on the Clinton Parameters, described by the PCPSR as involving the following:

(1) an Israeli withdrawal from more than 97 percent of the West Bank, with a land swap for the other 3 percent; (2) a Palestinian state with a “strong security force” (but no army), and a multinational force; (3) sovereignty over land, water, and airspace, but Israeli use of airspace for training and retention of two West Bank early-warning stations for 15 years; (4) a capital in East Jerusalem, including all Arab neighborhoods and the entire Old City, except the Jewish Quarter and the “Wailing Wall”; and (5) a “right of return” for refugees to the new state of Palestine (with compensation for “refugeehood”).

In the January 2013 PCPSR poll, only 43% supported that solution.

Moreover, in every poll PCPSR poll since 2005, that package has failed to generate Palestinian majority support. While a slight majority of Palestinians may support a two-state solution in the abstract, what they mean is a militarized Palestinian state, next to an Israel pushed back to indefensible borders, with retention of an asserted Palestinian “right of return” to Israel. Such a state would “live side by side, in peace and security”® with Israel for about a week–the period it took to turn Gaza into Hamastan after Israel left in 2005. The new PCPSR poll also found that “only 42% support and 56% oppose mutual recognition of Israel as the state for the Jewish people and Palestine as the state for the Palestinian people.” In other words, the Palestinians want a state, but not if it involves recognition of a Jewish one.

Israel is constantly warned it will eventually be faced with a demand for a “one-state solution” if it does not make the concession du jour to the Palestinians, but the January PCPSR poll found that “despite the belief that the two-state solution is no longer practical, a large majority of 71% opposes the alternative one-state solution” (emphasis added). That is not surprising: the peace-partner Palestinians demand a Judenrein state in Judea and Samaria; the last thing they want is to be in a state with Jews in it. Fatah and Hamas cannot even live side-by-side with themselves.

It was obvious in 2008 that the assertion that “everyone knows” what a peace agreement entails was false. It was obvious in 2010 that “everyone” did not know what “everyone” supposedly knew. It is obvious today, confirmed again by the PCPSR polls. Perhaps we should stop relying on polls to gauge Palestinian readiness for peace. We will know the Palestinians are ready when they start educating their children for peace; when their media stops demonizing Jews and puts Israel on their maps; when their leaders give a Bir Zeit speech to match Netanyahu’s Bar-Ilan one; and when they are able to hold an election in which the person making the speech is elected.

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Rick Richman  11-25-08 
Amid continuing indications that the Obama administration plans to tackle Middle East peace as a priority, Aaron David Miller warns “experts, politicians and would be mediators to keep their enthusiasm for quick or easy solutions under control.”
There is a myth out there driven by the Clinton parameters of December 2000, the Taba talks in 2001, the Geneva accord a year later, and the hundreds of hours of post Annapolis talks between Israelis and Palestinians that the two sides are “this close” (thumb and index finger a sixteenth of an inch apart) to an agreement.
Not only are they not “this close” — the “current situation on the ground between Israelis and Palestinians makes it impossible” to reach an agreement:
That everyone knows what the ultimate solution will look like (an intriguing notion that is supposed to make people feel better) is irrelevant if the circumstances for an agreement don’t exist.
The circumstances include a dysfunctional Palestinian Authority and the existence of political parties with their own armies, who will continue their war from any vacated land.
National security experts Brent Scowcroft and Zbigniew Brzezinski suggest the “major elements of an agreement are well known” and urge Obama simply to “declare” the “basic parameters of a fair and enduring peace” and deal with Israeli security concerns with an “international peacekeeping force.” But this merely papers over disagreements with adjectives (a “fair” and “enduring” peace) and disregards the abject history of international Middle East peacekeeping forces (including the one that failed to prevent the Six Day War and the one currently preserving peace in Lebanon by watching Hezbollah rearm).
What everyone should know by now – one year after the parties “agreed” to reach a peace agreement within a year (presumably on the basis of what “everyone knows” is the solution) but could not, even with the assistance of a Secretary of State making umpteen trips to the region – is that the circumstances for an agreement do not currently exist. A new Obama Process, featuring an imposed agreement and an ineffective enforcement mechanism, is not a solution.
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Rick Richman 12-29-10 
For more than a decade, the guiding principle of the peace process has been that “everyone knows” what peace will look like: a Palestinian state on roughly the 1967 lines, with land swaps for the major Israeli settlement blocs, a shared Jerusalem, international compensation for the Palestinian refugees, and a “right of return” to the new Palestinian state rather than Israel.
A new poll conducted jointly by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research and the Harry S. Truman Research Institute for the Advancement of Peace shows that the Palestinian public opposes such a solution by a lopsided majority.
The poll presented a package modeled on the Clinton Parameters: (1) an Israeli withdrawal from more than 97 percent of the West Bank and a land swap for the remaining 2-3 percent; (2) a Palestinian state with a “strong security force” but no army, with a multinational force to ensure security; (3) Palestinian sovereignty over land, water, and airspace, but an Israeli right to use the airspace for training purposes and to maintain two West Bank early-warning stations for 15 years; (4) a capital in East Jerusalem and sovereignty over Arab neighborhoods and the Old City (other than the Jewish Quarter and the “Wailing Wall”); and (5) a “right of return” for refugees to the new state and compensation for their “refugeehood” and loss of property.
The package was opposed by 58 percent of the Palestinians, with only 40 percent favoring it.
It was not a case of one or more individual elements in the package causing a problem. Each of the five elements was polled separately; not one of them commanded majority support.
Writing today in Yediot Aharonot, Sever Plocker asserts that while most Israelis are prepared to support a Palestinian state, they have in mind a state “not much different from the Palestinian Authority that exists today.”
Ask now in a poll how many Israelis are ready for the evacuation of 150-200,000 settlers from Judea and Samaria, an IDF withdrawal from bases in the Jordan Valley, the deployment of Palestinian border police between Kalkilya and Kfar Saba, a new border in Jerusalem and turning the territories into a foreign country that will absorb hundreds of thousands of militant refugees from the camps in Lebanon – and see how the numbers of those who support a “two-state solution” drop to near zero.
Interestingly, the new poll showed that Israelis supported the hypothetical package by 52 percent to 39 percent, demonstrating that a majority or plurality of Israelis (the poll has a 4.5 percent margin of error) would support a demilitarized Palestinian state, as long as the IDF is empowered to keep it that way, the state does not assert a “right of return” to Israel, and there is a land swap that does not require the mass uprooting of Israelis from their homes. Plocker’s assertion may show, however, that a lot depends on how polling questions are framed, and the implications of flooding the West Bank with refugees (as opposed to resettling them where most have lived all their lives) deserve further study.
But all this is hypothetical. The Palestinians rejected the Clinton Parameters in 2000 and effectively rejected them again in 2008 in the Annapolis Process. The new poll makes it clear they would reject them a third time, despite what “everyone knows.”
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  2. @ CuriousAmerican:
    Sir,

    Please read Bennett’s plan before you dismiss it. By your comments you either did not read it or understand it and the nuances. I find it frankly a bit arrogant for anyone to say only my plan will work in this most difficult of conflicts to resolve no matter which perspective one comes at this from.

    Bennett’s plan will not work because it leaves a large disenfranchised population under effective martial law, at least at the checkpoints. This is a recipe for rebellion. The Jews rose up themselves against British restrictions.

    The only plan which will work is the MK Feiglin / Dr. Martin Sherman / my own plan (Arrived at independently and I can prove it).

    That is the buyout plan.

    Few Palestinians will accept it at first, but as time goes on, and more Palestinians leave, the remaining will give up hope and leave, too.

  3. @ CuriousAmerican:

    Why was King Saul punished and his crown taken from him?

    Our sages speak of the mercy of fools who “Have mercy for the wicked and thus are cruel to the righteous”

    A MESSAGE FOR THOSE WISHING TO KNOW HOW THE G-D OF ISRAEL REQUIRES US TO TREAT SHEDDERS OF JEWISH BLOOD:

    “So Samuel returned after Saul, and Saul prostrated himself before HaShem. Samuel then said, ‘Bring me Agag, king of Amalek.’ And Agag went to him submissively. And Agag said, ‘Surely, the bitterness of death has passed.’ And Samuel said, ‘As your sword made women childless, so shall your mother be childless among women.’ And Samuel cut Agag into pieces before HaShem in Gilgal.” (I Samuel 15:31-33)

    A MESSAGE FOR THOSE WHO ARE SMITTEN WITH THE DISEASE OF MORAL EQUIVALENCY

    “Woe unto those who speak of Evil as [if it were] Good, and of Good as [if it were] Evil; who make Darkness into [the semblance of] Light, and Light into [the semblance of] Darkness; who make Bitter into [the perception of] Sweet, and Sweet into [the perception of] Bitter.” (Isaiah 5:20)

  4. yamit82 Said:

    Daniel I am not surprised that you understand nothing of the text nor it’s context read the rest of the verses 8-12 but in context with the whole narrative. This might help

    For curious to understand Daniel. Cyrus was called Messiah by G-d!!!
    llChronicles
    20. And he exiled the survivors from the sword to Babylon, and they became vassals to him and to his sons until the reign of the kingdom of Persia.
    21. To fulfill the word of the Lord in the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land was appeased for its Sabbaths; [for] all the days of its desolation it rested until the completion of seventy years.
    22. And in the first year of Cyrus, king of Persia, at the completion of the word of the Lord in the mouth of Jeremiah, the Lord aroused the spirit of Cyrus the king of Persia, and he issued a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying:
    23. “So said Cyrus the king of Persia: All the kingdoms of the earth has the Lord God of the heavens delivered to me, and He commanded me to build Him a House in Jerusalem, which is in Judea. Who among you is of all His people, may the Lord his God be with him, and he may ascend.”
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    Ezra 1:1 1. And in the first year of Cyrus, the king of Persia, at the completion of the word of the Lord from the mouth of Jeremiah, the Lord aroused the Spirit of Cyrus, the king of Persia, and he issued a proclamation throughout his kingdom, and also in writing, saying:
    2. “So said Cyrus, the king of Persia, ‘All the kingdoms of the earth the Lord God of the heavens delivered to me, and He commanded me to build Him a House in Jerusalem, which is in Judea.
    3. Who is among you of all His people, may his God be with him, and he may ascend to Jerusalem, which is in Judea, and let him build the House of the Lord, God of Israel; He is the God Who is in Jerusalem.
    4. And whoever remains from all the places where he sojourns, the people of his place shall help him with silver and with gold and with possessions and with cattle, with the donation to the House of God, which is in Jerusalem.’
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    Isiah 44 25. Who frustrates the signs of imposters, and diviners He makes mad; He turns the wise backwards, and makes their knowledge foolish.
    26. He fulfills the word of His servant, and the counsel of His messenger He completes; Who says of Jerusalem, “It shall be settled,” and of the cities of Judah, “They shall be built, and its ruins I will erect.”
    27. Who says to the deep, “Be dry, and I will dry up your rivers.”
    28. Who says of Cyrus, “He is My shepherd, and all My desire he shall fulfill,” and to say of Jerusalem, “It shall be built, and the Temple shall be founded.”
    45:1. So said the Lord to His anointed one, to Cyrus, whose right hand I held, to flatten nations before him, and the loins of kings I will loosen, to open portals before him, and gates shall not be closed.
    45:13. I aroused him with righteousness, and all his ways I will straighten out. He shall build My city and free My exiles, neither for a price nor for a bribe,” said the Lord of Hosts.

  5. @ CuriousAmerican:
    The plan is a work in progess and not complete as per Bennett. He states it is not perfect. I am not against helping Arabs leave voluntarily but start with certain sections would be suggestion such as Area C or East Jerusalem neighborhoods.

    I have serious doubts if you can get 1 1/2 million Arabs to leave. Not against but is it truly workable in reality?

  6. @ CuriousAmerican:

    “But they know not the thoughts of the LORD, neither understand they His counsel; for He hath gathered them as the sheaves to the threshing-floor. Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion; for I will make thy horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass; and thou shalt beat in pieces many peoples; and thou shalt devote their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth” (Micah 4:12-13).

    A- You must learn to read the complete Tanach from Jewish and not christian translations if you cannot read the original Hebrew or Aramit where applicable. Selecting random verses out of context and mistranslated will-not lead you or any other to the truth.

    B-Reading our scriptures through christian eyes is reading the Jewish scriptures from a hindsighted selective agenda pov. Here is only one example:

    Amos 3:2 You only have I chosen of all the families of the earth; therefore I will punish you for all your sins

    Despite being from the southern kingdom of Judah Amos’ prophetic message was aimed at the Northern Kingdom of Israel, particularly the cities of Samaria and Bethel.

    Daniel I am not surprised that you understand nothing of the text nor it’s context read the rest of the verses 8-12 but in context with the whole narrative. This might help

    “For if the dead are not raised, then the Messiah has not been raised either; and if the Messiah has not been raised, your trust is useless, and you are still in your sins. Also, if this is the case, those who died in union with the Messiah are lost. If it is only for this life that we have put our hope in the Messiah, we are more pitiable than anyone” (1 Corinthians 15:16-19 CJB).
    The NT identifies Gog and Magog as the deceived nations ”which are in the four corners of the earth,” ”the number of them is like the sand of the seashore” (Revelation 20:7-10).
    “They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints (the Jews) and the beloved city (Jerusalem). And fire (Torah) came down from God out of heaven and devoured them” (Revelation 20:9).
    They are identified as the Children of Abraham, The Lost Tribes of Israel, mainly Christians and Muslims (See Gen. 15:5, 22:17, 24:60, Ezek. 37:9, Chs. 38-39, Zech. 2:10, Isaiah 10:22, 11:12 ).
    Zechariah 14:3 “Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight and fight against those nations, as when He fighteth in the day of battle.” At the Red Sea. (Ex. 14) He “discomfited the host of the Egyptians… and the LORD overthrew the Egyptians in the midst of the sea. Thus the LORD saved Israel that day out of the hand of the Egyptians; and Israel saw the Egyptians dead upon the sea-shore.”

    Psalms 78:9-10 says, “The sons of Ephraim, armed archers, retreated on the day of battle. They did not keep the covenant of God, and they refused to follow His Torah.”

    “The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever” (Rev. 20:10).

    Revelation 19:20 ”And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.”

    Isaiah 66:16-17 “For by fire will the LORD contend, and by His sword with all flesh; and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves and purify themselves to go unto the gardens, behind one in the midst, eating swine’s flesh, and the detestable thing, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.” See also Isaiah 1:27-31 and 65:1-5 . ‘Together’, i.e. the Notzrim (Christians) and the Ishmaelites, will perish in the war of Gog and Magog, because these two empires hold sway in this world, and this is the fourth kingdom in the visions of Daniel Chs. 2 and 7.

    Psalm 83:13-19 “Who said, “Let us inherit for ourselves the dwellings of God.” ( These nations mentioned above: Edom, Ishmael, and all their allies). My God, make them like thistles, like stubble before the wind. As a fire that burns in a forest and as a flame that burns mountains. So will You pursue them with Your tempest, and with Your whirlwind You will terrify them.

    Fill their faces with shame, and they will seek Your countenance, O Lord. Let them be ashamed and terrified forever; let them be disgraced and perish. Let them know that You-Your name alone is the Lord, Most High over all the earth.” See also Ezek. 36:1-7.

  7. @ Bear Klein:
    I am promoting Bennett’s plan as the most practical plan that has a possibility of being achieved in the next one to five years because it is about as far as any Prime Minister of Israel could go given the realities of Israel politics domestically and internationally.

    Bennett’s plan will not work because it leaves a large disenfranchised population under effective martial law, at least at the checkpoints. This is a recipe for rebellion. The Jews rose up themselves against British restrictions.

    The only plan which will work is the MK Feiglin / Dr. Martin Sherman / my own plan (Arrived at independently and I can prove it).

    That is the buyout plan.

    Few Palestinians will accept it at first, but as time goes on, and more Palestinians leave, the remaining will give up hope and leave, too.

    Buy them out

  8. @ Bear Klein:

    Quoting Bennett:

    The world will not recognize our claim to sovereignty, as it does not recognize our sovereignty over the Western Wall, the Ramot and Gilo neighborhoods of Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights. Yet eventually the World will adjust to the de facto reality.

    That sounds much more measured and eloquent than the initial paraphrase.

  9. @ yamit82:
    You know what I think you can do with your apocalyptic book of revelations!!!!

    Then go by your own Jewish scripture.

    Dan 12: 7 … When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed

    Amos 3:2 You only have I chosen of all the families of the earth; therefore I will punish you for all your sins.

    Zech 13:8 In the whole land, declares the LORD, two thirds shall be cut off and perish

    Zech 14:2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered band the women raped.

    But the Moshiach will not re-appear to save the Jewish people until the Jewish people “acknowledge their guilt.”

    Hos 5: 15 I will return again to my place, until they acknowledge their guilt and seek my face, and in their distress earnestly seek me.

    There is trouble coming, Yamit. If you refuse to listen to Jesus, at least listen to your Jewish Scripture.

    Stop boasting in your present power. According to Jewish scripture, it will soon be broken (Dan 12:7)

    I do not like saying this.

    But this is YOUR SCRIPTURE.

    You do NOT have to power to keep this up for 500 years.

    This is not what your Scripture says.

    It says that one day, “the power of the holy people [will be] broken,” half of Jersualem overrun, and the women ravished.

    It says that in Israel’s distress they will admit their guilt. Only then will Moshiach save the remnant.

    A kindness now to a Palestinian, may at that hour of distress, lessen the rage and violence perpetrated on the Jewish people.

  10. CuriousAmerican Said:
    @ yamit82:

    We can outlast the scum for another 500 years if we need to.
    All they need is one or two atom bombs. They are more willing to die than you are. You can’t keep them away from nukes for 500 years.
    This can’t go on for another 500 years, Yamit.

    BTW: I am in favor of the US attacking Iran, because I do not want them to have nukes.
    But the point is: You cannot keep this up for 500 years. So stop with your boasting.

    Israel intel is so good we know when and where their leaders go to the outhouse. You think they can slip any-kind of a nuke into Gaza without us knowing about it. It would be for us a casus belli to wipe them all out and quick with no regard to bleeding hearts anywhere. That is not a boast it is based on relative strengths and capabilities. I say that because I don’t think we are suicidal. Sometimes stupid but not suicidal.

    You know what I think you can do with your apocalyptic book of revelations!!!! A small number of Shia Muslims really believe in the return of the Madi and their end times prophesy. You j lovers have your equivalent. All of ours tell us that when you are pushing up daisies and enjoying your lake of fire we will be celebrating in our Temple rebuilt, with the smoke and smell of animal sacrifices in the air. Our end-times narratives much nicer for Jews than yours and of the muslims.

  11. @ CuriousAmerican:
    I have been elevated to a Kissinger comparison that is not so bad! Cetainly better than the former comparison.
    I actually I like how Bennett speaks as he speaks truth from the heart and head at the same time.

    Since you missed it above I will requote him again.

    The world will not recognize our claim to sovereignty, as it does not recognize our sovereignty over the Western Wall, the Ramot and Gilo neighborhoods of Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights. Yet eventually the World will adjust to the de facto reality.

    Trust me I will not tell you how to write. I believe we are on the same side. Even well intentioned people on the same side may differ in style or approach.

    I am promoting Bennett’s plan as the most practical plan that has a possibility of being achieved in the next one to five years because it is about as far as any Prime Minister of Israel could go given the realities of Israel politics domestically and internationally.

    http://www.onestateisrael.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/The-Israel-Stability-Initiative-Naftali-Bennett.pdf

  12. @ Bear Klein:
    Actually I was paraphrasing Naftali Bennett not quoting anyone. Simply writing what I think.

    No one said you were quoting Hitler directly; but the language of power you used was eerily similar.

    Kissinger used to talk like that; but he was sort of a ruthless macht power type, as well.

    If so, Naftali Bennett needs to rephrase his thoughts.

  13. @ yamit82:
    We can outlast the scum for another 500 years if we need to.

    All they need is one or two atom bombs. They are more willing to die than you are. You can’t keep them away from nukes for 500 years.

    This can’t go on for another 500 years, Yamit.

    Either

    A) Pay them to leave per MK Fieglin’s suggestion
    -or-
    B) Enfranchise them and give them rights per Caroline Glick’s suggestion.

    I am not opposed to Israel. I am opposed to silly boasts of power.

    They may be thorns in our sides and pins to our eyes, but no existential threat. If they give any signs of being an existential threat then we invoke the commandment for Amalek and make it operative.

    Sadly, all it would take is one nuke in Tel Aviv, and one in Jerusalem or Haifa, and half the survivors would return to Europe or Brooklyn.

    They could take the retaliation better than Israel could. Ahmedinejad – who is a monstor, I will grant you – has said as much. In a nuclear exchange, Iran would survive, Israel would not.

    They are not a stupid people. They may be unruly and disorganized, but they are not stupid. At some point they will have nukes; and the means to deliver them. Who knows? N Korea may be shipping one right now.

    Try and make your peace with them by:

    A) Paying them to leave per MK Fieglin’s suggestion
    -or-
    B) Enfranchising them and giving them rights per Caroline Glick’s suggestion.

    BTW: I am in favor of the US attacking Iran, because I do not want them to have nukes.

    But the point is: You cannot keep this up for 500 years. So stop with your boasting.

  14. Actually what Bennett said is well put in my humble opinion,

    The world will not recognize our claim to sovereignty, as it does not recognize our sovereignty over the Western Wall, the Ramot and Gilo neighborhoods of Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights. Yet eventually the World will adjust to the de facto reality.

  16. CuriousAmerican Said:

    That sounds like a paraphrased quote from Herr Hitler.

    Only in your warped mind of Lakes of fire and voodoo.

    This is how the real Hitler sounds: “…the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.”- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

    “The Ten Commandments have lost their validity. Conscience is a Jewish invention, it is a blemish like circumcision.”

    “The earth continues to go round, whether it’s the man who kills the tiger or the tiger who eats the man. The stronger asserts his will, it’s the law of nature. The world doesn’t change; its laws are eternal.”

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    I have no problems with a one-state solution; just

    Nobody really gives a crock what YOU think.

    1) either enfranchise the Arabs in Judea and Samaria as per Caroline Glick
    -or-
    2) pay them to leave, as per MK Feiglin

    I reject both options and select the third. There is no fourth option.

    The status quo is not sustainable.

    Sounds authoritative but is it? I say no way Jose!!! We can outlast the scum for another 500 years if we need to. They may be thorns in our sides and pins to our eyes, but no existential threat. If they give any signs of being an existential threat then we invoke the commandment for Amalek and make it operative.

  17. @ Bear Klein:
    The world will yell but they will eventually get used to it.

    That sounds like a paraphrased quote from Herr Hitler.

    I know your cause is more noble, but choose your words better.

    I have no problems with a one-state solution; just

    1) either enfranchise the Arabs in Judea and Samaria as per Caroline Glick
    -or-
    2) pay them to leave, as per MK Feiglin

    The status quo is not sustainable.

  18. We must work to bury the DEAD TWO STATE SOLUTION and make sure it does not rise from the dead.

    TSS is a formula for war not peace at a disadvantaged geographical position. Land for terror is what the TSS is in reality and is NOT acceptable.

    Manage the conflict with Bennett’s plan of Annexing Area C. This the most one could do in today’s world. The world will yell but they will eventually get used to it. The precedent being the Golan Heights.

  19. Israel should deport Arabs who riot to Jordan – with or without Jordan’s permission.

    Israel is not obligated to look after the Arabs’ needs or to give them a state they do not want.

    Statehood is not an entitlement.

  20. “The only version of a two-state solution the Palestinians are in favor of is one which Israel cannot accept.”

    A militarized Palestinian state with indefensible borders and right of return are non starters. The status quo must be maintained until increasing settler population, now around 650,000 (in Judea, Samaria, and East Jerusalem) forces a change. As Bernard Ross said 2 or 3 days ago Israel must be ready to gain advantage from any Palestinian aggression with the goal of driving Palestinians further into Areas A and B and out of C. The Geneva Convention must be suspended if Israeli citizens are targeted and terrorists deported.