Joe Biden
The current story in the Wall Street Journal (Israel Spied on Iran Nuclear Talks With U.S. By ADAM ENTOUS -see below) alleging Israeli spying on the nuclear talks with the P5 +1 which is attributed to “unnamed, high-level, White House officials” is despicable. It is intended to further delegitimize Israel and justify the vendetta being conducted by some of your staff and other White House political advisers against Israel in the guise of criticizing Prime Minister Netanyahu.
1st, it is absolutely correct that the United States spends an inordinate amount of intelligence resources spying on Israel. This spying is “justified” by these unnamed officials as being required to push back against Israeli spying on United States. You and I both know that this is completely false. Recently Israel clandestinely struck at Hezbollah missiles being transported from Syria to Hezbollah while these missiles were in Syrian territory. The Israelis did not acknowledge the strike. The Syrians did not acknowledge the strike. US intelligence leaked the fact of the strike in order to embarrass the Syrians into taking actions against Israel. Another example, Israel obtained landing rights in a predominantly Muslim country. This was leaked by the US. There are many other examples of which both you and I are well aware.
2nd the US has agreed to many off the record ,back channel deals with Iran which will never be revealed to the American public nor to Congress. News of this comes from the Iranians and secondarily from the French, British, and Germans. All of these nations are much more transparent with Israel and with their legislators than is the US with Israel and the US Congress. When the administration had agreed to sharing of intelligence on Iran with Israel and then dispatched senior White House adviser, Valerie Jarrett, to hold back channel secret negotiations with Iran that was a betrayal of confidence and a betrayal of a binding agreement. Once that occurred, there can be no complaint that Israel’s soughtt information that the US did not want it to have.
3rd, many of the allegations against Prime Minister Netanyahu, originating with “unnamed, high-level, White House officials” are just untrue They get repeated even though we have corrected the record and notified the White House staff. This story which was fed to Entous contains this inaccuracy so I am reproducing the information that was previously sent to you: “From the actual tapes …tranlated by several highly qualified sources …the Prime Minister’s exact words were “large numbers”. He never said “hordes”or “droves” or any other words that by any stretch of the imagination can be conceived of as being derogatory toward Arabs. All of the statements attributing any negativity to the Prime Minister were manufactured “
The Wall Street Journal stories follow in reverse order; 1st the denial then the accusation.
Israel Denies Spying on U.S.
TEL AVIV—Israel denied that it spied on the U.S. in an attempt to undermine a nuclear deal with Iran, trying to defuse tensions that are widening the rift between the countries after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s re-election.
Soon after the U.S. and other world powers entered negotiations last year to curtail Iran’s nuclear program, senior White House officials learned Israel was spying on the closed-door talks as part of a broader campaign against the emerging deal, The Wall Street Journal reported. Mr. Netanyahu vehemently opposes the terms of the deal, saying they are too soft on Iran.
“Israel does not spy on the United States, period, exclamation mark,’’ Yuval Steinitz, minister for intelligence and strategic affairs, told Israel Radio on Tuesday. “Whoever published those false allegations possibly wanted to damage the excellent intelligence cooperation between us and the United States.”
U.S. officials said they learned Israel was spying on the talks because U.S. agencies were also spying on Israel. Those U.S. agencies intercepted communications in which Israeli officials referred to information which the U.S. believes could only have come from the parties in the negotiations.
Current and former U.S. and Israeli officials said Israel was as able to learn details about the shifting U.S. and European positions by spying on Iranian and other officials who the American negotiators communicated with in the nuclear talks.
According to these officials, Israel shared information gathered from the talks during congressional briefings in an effort to build opposition to a deal. U.S. officials accused the Israelis of misrepresenting aspects of the talks during these briefings.
The Israeli denials didn’t address the congressional briefings.
U.S. House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio) said Tuesday he was shocked by revelations that Israel spied on the nuclear talks and then passed information to U.S. lawmakers. He wouldn’t say whether he saw such actions by the Israelis as appropriate, and only said he was baffled.
“I was shocked by the fact that there were reports in this press article that information was being passed on from the Israelis to members of Congress,” Mr. Boehner said. “I’m not aware of that at all.”
MR. BOEHNER ADDED: “THERE WAS NO INFORMATION REVEALED TO ME WHATSOEVER.”
The White House and Mr. Boehner have been at odds for some time over the top House Republican’s decision to invite Mr. Netanyahu to speak to Congress this month without first consulting the Obama administration. Mr. Boehner has been critical of the emerging Iran deal, and is scheduled to visit Israel in the coming weeks.
Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman rejected the spying allegations but told Israel Army Radio that Israel could obtain intelligence on the talks based on sources in Iran without spying on the U.S.
U.S. intelligence agencies helped the Israelis build up the systems they use to collect Iranian communications.
The tensions are the latest between the Obama administration and Mr. Netanyahu, who was re-elected on March 17 and is assembling a governing coalition of right-wing and religious parties.
President Barack Obama has said his administration is planning areassessment of its policy toward Israel following Mr. Netanyahu’s election-eve statement that a Palestinian state wouldn’t be established on his watch. The U.S. dismissed the Israeli leader’s subsequent reversal of that position as unconvincing.
Mr. Obama also took Mr. Netanyahu to task for his election-day warning to right-wing supporters that Arab citizens of Israel were voting in droves {THIS WAS NEVER SAID} in a bid to oust him from power. Mr. Netanyahu apologized on Monday for the message, which was widely criticized in Israel and abroad as racist.
UZI ARAD, A FORMER SECURITY ADVISER TO MR. NETANYAHU, SAID THE U.S. CRITICISM GOES BEYOND AN EFFORT TO PRESSURE MR. NETANYAHU TO FALL INTO LINE WITH U.S. POLICIES. “THE CURRENT SITUATION IS BEING EXPLOITED TO CARRY OUT A DOWNGRADE OF THE RELATIONSHIP AND STRATEGIC UNDERSTANDINGS BETWEEN OURSELVES AND THE U.S.,’’ HE TOLD ISRAEL RADIO.
—Michael R. Crittenden contributed to this article.
Israel Spied on Iran Nuclear Talks With U.S.
By ADAM ENTOUS
Soon after the U.S. and other major powers entered negotiations last year to curtail Iran’s nuclear program, senior White House officials learned Israel was spying on the closed-door talks.
The spying operation was part of a broader campaign by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government to penetrate the negotiations and then help build a case against the emerging terms of the deal, current and former U.S. officials said. In addition to eavesdropping, Israel acquired information from confidential U.S. briefings, informants and diplomatic contacts in Europe, the officials said.
The espionage didn’t upset the White House as much as Israel’s sharing of inside information with U.S. lawmakers and others to drain support from a high-stakes deal intended to limit Iran’s nuclear program, current and former officials said.
“It is one thing for the U.S. and Israel to spy on each other. It is another thing for Israel to steal U.S. secrets and play them back to U.S. legislators to undermine U.S. diplomacy,” said a senior U.S. official briefed on the matter.
The U.S. and Israel, longtime allies who routinely swap information on security threats, sometimes operate behind the scenes like spy-versus-spy rivals. The White House has largely tolerated Israeli snooping on U.S. policy makers—a posture Israel takes when the tables are turned.
The White House discovered the operation, in fact, when U.S. intelligence agencies spying on Israel intercepted communications among Israeli officials that carried details the U.S. believed could have come only from access to the confidential talks, officials briefed on the matter said.
Israeli officials denied spying directly on U.S. negotiators and said they received their information through other means, including close surveillance of Iranian leaders receiving the latest U.S. and European offers. European officials, particularly the French, also have been more transparent with Israel about the closed-door discussions than the Americans, Israeli and U.S. officials said.
Mr. Netanyahu and Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer early this year saw a rapidly closing window to increase pressure on Mr. Obama before a key deadline at the end of March, Israeli officials said.
Using levers of political influence unique to Israel, Messrs. Netanyahu and Dermer calculated that a lobbying campaign in Congress before an announcement was made would improve the chances of killing or reshaping any deal. They knew the intervention would damage relations with the White House, Israeli officials said, but decided that was an acceptable cost.
The campaign may not have worked as well as hoped, Israeli officials now say, because it ended up alienating many congressional Democrats whose support Israel was counting on to block a deal.
Obama administration officials, departing from their usual description of the unbreakable bond between the U.S. and Israel, have voiced sharp criticism of Messrs. Netanyahu and Dermer to describe how the relationship has changed.
“People feel personally sold out,” a senior administration official said. “That’s where the Israelis really better be careful because a lot of these people will not only be around for this administration but possibly the next one as well.”
This account of the Israeli campaign is based on interviews with more than a dozen current and former U.S. and Israeli diplomats, intelligence officials, policy makers and lawmakers.
Weakened ties
Distrust between Mr. Netanyahu and Mr. Obama had been growing for years but worsened when Mr. Obama launched secret talks with Iran in 2012. The president didn’t tell Mr. Netanyahu because of concerns about leaks, helping set the stage for the current standoff, according to current and former U.S. and Israeli officials.
U.S. officials said Israel has long topped the list of countries that aggressively spy on the U.S., along with China, Russia and France. The U.S. expends more counterintelligence resources fending off Israeli spy operations than any other close ally, U.S. officials said.
A senior official in the prime minister’s office said Monday: “These allegations are utterly false. The state of Israel does not conduct espionage against the United States or Israel’s other allies. The false allegations are clearly intended to undermine the strong ties between the United States and Israel and the security and intelligence relationship we share.”
Current and former Israeli officials said their intelligence agencies scaled back their targeting of U.S. officials after the jailing nearly 30 years ago of American Jonathan Pollard for passing secrets to Israel.
While U.S. officials may not be direct targets, current and former officials said, Israeli intelligence agencies sweep up communications between U.S. officials and parties targeted by the Israelis, including Iran.
Americans shouldn’t be surprised, said a person familiar with the Israeli practice, since U.S. intelligence agencies helped the Israelis build a system to listen in on high-level Iranian communications.
As secret talks with Iran progressed into 2013, U.S. intelligence agencies monitored Israel’s communications to see if the country knew of the negotiations. Mr. Obama didn’t tell Mr. Netanyahu until September 2013.
Israeli officials, who said they had already learned about the talks through their own channels, told their U.S. counterparts they were upset about being excluded. “ ‘Did the administration really believe we wouldn’t find out?’ ” Israeli officials said, according to a former U.S. official.
The episode cemented Mr. Netanyahu’s concern that Mr. Obama was bent on clinching a deal with Iran whether or not it served Israel’s best interests, Israeli officials said. Obama administration officials said the president was committed to preventing Iran from developing nuclear weapons.
Mr. Dermer started lobbying U.S. lawmakers just before the U.S. and other powers signed an interim agreement with Iran in November 2013. Mr. Netanyahu and Mr. Dermer went to Congress after seeing they had little influence on the White House.
Before the interim deal was made public, Mr. Dermer gave lawmakers Israel’s analysis: The U.S. offer would dramatically undermine economic sanctions on Iran, according to congressional officials who took part.
After learning about the briefings, the White House dispatched senior officials to counter Mr. Dermer. The officials told lawmakers that Israel’s analysis exaggerated the sanctions relief by as much as 10 times, meeting participants said.
When the next round of negotiations with Iran started in Switzerland last year, U.S. counterintelligence agents told members of the U.S. negotiating team that Israel would likely try to penetrate their communications, a senior Obama administration official said.
The U.S. routinely shares information with its European counterparts and others to coordinate negotiating positions. While U.S. intelligence officials believe secured U.S. communications are relatively safe from the Israelis, they say European communications are vulnerable.
Mr. Netanyahu and his top advisers received confidential updates on the Geneva talks from Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Wendy Sherman and other U.S. officials, who knew at the time that Israeli intelligence was working to fill in any gaps.
The White House eventually curtailed the briefings, U.S. officials said, withholding sensitive information for fear of leaks.
Current and former Israeli officials said their intelligence agencies can get much of the information they seek by targeting Iranians and others in the region who are communicating with countries in the talks.
In November, the Israelis learned the contents of a proposed deal offered by the U.S. but ultimately rejected by Iran, U.S. and Israeli officials said. Israeli officials told their U.S. counterparts the terms offered insufficient protections.
U.S. officials urged the Israelis to give the negotiations a chance. But Mr. Netanyahu’s top advisers concluded the emerging deal was unacceptable. The White House was making too many concessions, Israeli officials said, while the Iranians were holding firm.
Obama administration officials reject that view, saying Israel was making impossible demands that Iran would never accept. “The president has made clear time and again that no deal is better than a bad deal,” a senior administration official said.
In January, Mr. Netanyahu told the White House his government intended to oppose the Iran deal but didn’t explain how, U.S. and Israeli officials said.
On Jan. 21, House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio) announced Mr. Netanyahu would address a joint meeting of Congress. That same day, Mr. Dermer and other Israeli officials visited Capitol Hill to brief lawmakers and aides, seeking a bipartisan coalition large enough to block or amend any deal.
Most Republicans were already prepared to challenge the White House on the negotiations, so Mr. Dermer focused on Democrats. “This deal is bad,” he said in one briefing, according to participants.
A spokesman for the Israeli embassy in Washington, Aaron Sagui, said Mr. Dermer didn’t launch a special campaign on Jan 21. Mr. Dermer, the spokesperson said, has “consistently briefed both Republican and Democrats, senators and congressmen, on Israel’s concerns regarding the Iran negotiations for over a year.”
Mr. Dermer and other Israeli officials over the following weeks gave lawmakers and their aides information the White House was trying to keep secret, including how the emerging deal could allow Iran to operate around 6,500 centrifuges, devices used to process nuclear material, said congressional officials who attended the briefings.
The Israeli officials told lawmakers that Iran would also be permitted to deploy advanced IR-4 centrifuges that could process fuel on a larger scale, meeting participants and administration officials said. Israeli officials said such fuel, which under the emerging deal would be intended for energy plants, could be used to one day build nuclear bombs.
The information in the briefings, Israeli officials said, was widely known among the countries participating in the negotiations.
When asked in February during one briefing where Israel got its inside information, the Israeli officials said their sources included the French and British governments, as well as their own intelligence, according to people there.
“Ambassador Dermer never shared confidential intelligence information with members of Congress,” Mr. Sagui said. “His briefings did not include specific details from the negotiations, including the length of the agreement or the number of centrifuges Iran would be able to keep.”
Current and former U.S. officials confirmed that the number and type of centrifuges cited in the briefings were part of the discussions. But they said the briefings were misleading because Israeli officials didn’t disclose concessions asked of Iran. Those included giving up stockpiles of nuclear material, as well as modifying the advanced centrifuges to slow output, these officials said.
The administration didn’t brief lawmakers on the centrifuge numbers and other details at the time because the information was classified and the details were still in flux, current and former U.S. officials said.
Unexpected reaction
The congressional briefings and Mr. Netanyahu’s decision to address a joint meeting of Congress on the emerging deal sparked a backlash among many Democratic lawmakers, congressional aides said.
On Feb. 3, Mr. Dermer huddled with Sen. Joe Manchin, a West Virginia Democrat, who said he told Mr. Dermer it was a breach of protocol for Mr. Netanyahu to accept an invitation from Mr. Boehner without going through the White House.
Mr. Manchin said he told Mr. Dermer he would attend the prime minister’s speech to Congress, but he was noncommittal about supporting any move by Congress to block a deal.
Mr. Dermer spent the following day doing damage control with Sen.Kirsten Gillibrand, a New York Democrat, congressional aides said.
Two days later, Mr. Dermer met with Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the top Democrat on the SenateIntelligence Committee, at her Washington, D.C., home. He pressed for her support because he knew that she, too, was angry about Mr. Netanyahu’s planned appearance.
Ms. Feinstein said afterward she would oppose legislation allowing Congress to vote down an agreement.
Congressional aides and Israeli officials now say Israel’s coalition in Congress is short the votes needed to pass legislation that could overcome a presidential veto, although that could change. In response, Israeli officials said, Mr. Netanyahu was pursuing other ways to pressure the White House.
This week, Mr. Netanyahu sent a delegation to France, which has been more closely aligned with Israel on the nuclear talks and which could throw obstacles in Mr. Obama’s way before a deal is signed. The Obama administration, meanwhile, is stepping up its outreach to Paris to blunt the Israeli push.
“If you’re wondering whether something serious has shifted here, the answer is yes,” a senior U.S. official said. “These things leave scars.”
@ ArnoldHarris:
Thank you very much, Arnold :). I also appreciate the reasoned and calmly unapologetic tone of your comments. Thank you for posting them here.
@ yamit82:
This is exactly what I thought when I read the Hanson quote. “Chip on the shoulder” ignoramuses.
@ yamit82:
Obama is disclosing a secret that is no secret to anyone.
The little baby wants attention trying to discredit Israel he is doing a good job at discrediting himself in front of other heads of state. Not one of the leaders of other countries will trust him. If he he had discredited himself already now, more than ever he really did a big favor to himself.
Nobody will listen to the man child. If he continues, soon I’m going to have my dreams realized. Leaving the White House in handcuffs and shackles.
Bush was controlled by a lot of people. Condi Rice was not the only one controlling the idiot.
@ Avigail:
This is pretty close how Condi Rice viewed Israel. She controlled Bush ergo……!
Obama just disclosed the decades old secret about Israel’s nuclear arsenal.
He’s playing dirty and doing whatever he can to divert attention from his appeasement of Iran.
@ Bear Klein:
@ Laura:
BK: Mr Obama is dangerously incompetent, at least from the standpoint of the needs of our fading imperium, over which, unfortunately, he reigns temporarily as command in chief.
As for him being a liar, it may be even worse, in that he actually seems to believe his own illusions.
Magnitude? That’s hard to say. One can scientifically measure magnitudes of California earthquakes and Gulf Coast hurricanes. But how can we possibly measure magnitudes of the combination of obstinacy, stupidity, and fecklessness?
But be of good cheer. There are only 22 more months of this. I do not care at all for Hillary Clinton, but she is likely to prove smarter and less reckless than her predecessor, if the dummies over here put her back in the White House late next year.
Avigail:
Any Israeli government that fails to spy on the ayatolists who presently command the destinies of Iran, ought to be removed from office on grounds of being even more irresponsible than Mr Obama.
I like your comments. They remind me that there are still people around who have a combination of common sense, focused purposefulness, and dignity based on self-respect. There was a time when people expected such qualities generally and in most instances. But times change.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
I should hope Israel is spying on the nuclear talks.
@ Ted Belman:
Upon reflection, ny usage of “spite” as a noun out to be replaced by “purposeful anti-semitism”.
How can one rationally explain fools such as this US president, upon whom all his policies backfire?
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
Boy, You agree with Ted and the machine still puts one in moderation? Obama does not care about Israel. He never did and will use any pretext to blast Israel and get his beloved Palestinian State established.
@ Ted Belman:
You are 100% correct that,
He started at his Cairo speech early in term one.
Obama does not care about Israel. He never did and will use any pretext to blast Israel and get his beloved Palestinian State established.
Does Team Obama really believe that a murderous autocratic cabal like Hamas is merely different from a democratic constitutional republic like Israel? At best we have naiveté at the helm (Obama thinks he can mesmerize misunderstood killers), at worst, a genuine feeling that Israel is an aggressive, Western imperialist power exploiting indigenous people of color who simply wish to be free–in other words, the Rev. Wright-Bill Ayers-Rashid Khalidi view of the Middle East. – Victor Davis Hanson
This was written in… 2009.
(h/t IsraelMatzav)
@ ArnoldHarris: It is wrong to attribute Obama’s attack on Israel as “spite”. Obama has always been gunning for us and needs no excuse. This is just a pretext he uses to hide his agenda.
Lets deal in reality, anyone can find on Youtube vidoes of Ovomit admitting that it is a muslim, praises and quotes from its “holy koran”, etc., this is fact. So, what conduct conduct might one expect from a self confessed muslim? Just what has already happened and continues to happen. What remains to be done within the USA? If the congressmen and women take heed of the million person march on Washington, or otherwise find their backbones and move beyond concern about any potential black backlash and do what its their responsibility to do, turn to “high crimes and misdemeanors” ….. there is sufficient instances already to warrant same …..
It should be clear to everyone in Israel and the USA that the Obama administration has attempted every trick known to him for purposes of blocking the election of Binyamin Netanyahu to a fourth term as prime minister of Israel. That ploy having failed, their came the follow-up of trying to block Mr Netanyahu’s ability to assemble a workable coalition based on nationalist and religious Judaism, centrist economic policies, and defending Jewish rights to their own independent homeland incorporating most of Judea, Samaria and undivided Jerusalem. That too failed.
So now, and probably for the remaining 22 months before Mr Obama is replaced in the White House, his unending spitefulness will be put to use at every opportunity in attempts to damage Israel and endlessly appease the ayatollist Iranian regime despite their outright threats against the United States, Israel, and all of Sun’a Islam in parts of the MIddle East not yet under the dreadful control whose attributes they share with the ISIS would-be kalifate and its outlier gangs.
It would be helpful to know in advance whether or not the Congress of the United States will work collectively to use its constitutional powers to limit the disasters in the Middle East that Mr Obama and his policies already are generating, with more threats growing almost daily. But there is no assurance that any such actions by the US Congress will happen, or will have any affect on limiting the effects of Mr Obama’s foreign policy madness.
Therefore, more than ever, it is vital that Israel find a new set of friends to balance what is becoming a relationship dangerous to both the Jewish state and the Jewish nation. I have suggested many times that Israel must build closer relationships with Russia, China, India and Japan.
The situation on the ground in the Middle East could also imply an outright military understanding with Egypt, which is threatened by Sun’a Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism, and Saudi Arabia, which is threatened not only by the Suna Isus effort to create a latter day kalifate, but also, and rapidly, by Iranian-backed Shi’a terrorism and by the threat of Iran to build an arsenal of nuclear weaponry.
Obviously, Russia has its own national interests in various parts of the Middle East. But it is also true that Russia now regards the Obama administration, with its armed NATO pact, and the European Union, as enemy entities of the first magnitude. Russia and China together now form a power center which cannot be successfully threatened by Obama or him and his western European client states. In any case, evidence is arising that France may prove to be anything but a US client state in dealing with the Iranian nuclear armaments threat.
So the time has come for Israel to look for some friends. Just in case.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
There is vast experience at being suspects of being illegitimate, hiding records, in the present US administration right now, so one should be careful when dealing with such expertise…
Meanwhile I could not fail noticing that Mr. Netaniahu’s penchant for apologies has gone viral. He must undergo therapy to overcome the problem which is becoming far too evident. Stop apologizing Mr. Netanyahu!
The Muslim villages in some areas of Eretz Israel were organized by Mr. Hussein Obama and his gangsters to subvert the State of Israel citizens democratic process.
Much as they violently prevent tax collection that the rest of the population pays, they collaborate and join with Islamic forces whenever possible, (Zoabi, Tibi etal), applaud when their foreign cousins harm Jewish people.
So it comes as no surprise that much as Jihad, MB, ISIS and other monstrous Islamic organizations are, the said villagers are natural allies to the Muslim mortal enemy of Israel and Jews sitting at the WH.
NO MORE apologies.