A number of years ago I had the fortune to study, tour and live within the Arab/Muslim Middle East. Of course being from the West and ultra-Liberal Canada, my mind was truly numbed by the contorted mainstream media and intellectually impoverished academia to the realities of the situation over there. Although, from a political perspective I knew fairly well the realities surrounding the matter but not from the theo-political aspect. I set myself to task to research “the other” side of the coin by looking into the so-called “Right Wing”. Although most of my colleagues and associates love to condemn the “Right” or “Religious” none ever seem to afford the most minimal time to delve into research on any given matter. So I delved into everything I could get my hands on to understand the matter from the Islamic Texts themselves, Jewish texts, the writings from Jewish Nationalists; Ze’ev Jabotinsky, Begin and Shamir as well the, very interesting and very lengthy historical base for what they call “Religious Zionism” – Judah ha-Levi, Maimonides, Isaac Abravanel, Elijah ben Shlomo Zalman, Yisachar Shlomo Teichtal, Abraham Isaac Kook and Meir Kahane. Although the more “mystical” and Talmud/Gamara was above my understanding the logic displayed and historical understanding therein far outweighs anything on the traditional Liberal Socialist “Left Wing” especially when one takes into account Islam, its’ expansionist history as well the entire history and construct of the Socialist/Humanist/Atheist movement. All are decidedly anti-Israel and anti-Judaism/Christian/”Ten Commandments” especially within a Western sense. In conclusion, I wish to congratulate this Yamit individual for her logic as I am in the middle of responding to some anti-Semite pseudo-intellectual I had remembered a very direct interpretation of the need to liberate your lands by a Rabbi Sforno, which lead me to this page. Thank you for posting. Sforno and your Rabbi Kahane were undoubtedly on the right path…SRA
Itamar is located in a very special historical area ? directly facing the holy Biblical city of Shechem, the resting place of Yosef Hatzaddik and the famous mountains of Gerizim and Eval, which are situated to the west of Itamar. Itamar is named after the son of Aaron, who is buried with his brother Elazar and nephew Pinchas and the 70 elders in the adjacent village of Awarta, just south of Itamar.
Situated on “Gav Hahar” (the “hump of the mountain”), surrounded by springs and wells in the encircling hills which are historically the tribal portions of Ephraim and Menashe, the sons of Joseph, Itamar epitomizes the predicament of the Jewish settlements in Yesha – between the blessing and the curse. On one hand it has suffered terrorist acts against it more than most settlements in Yesha. On the other hand, the bounty is apparent everywhere. Biblical history comes alive in Itamar and its surroundings. Gav Hahar is crowned by two noble peaks that rise 3,000 feet above the surrounding country ? the mountains of the Blessing and the Curse – Har Gerizim and Har Eval.
There are no words – – there should be actions… rather violent ones…
Abbas’ double game: His Fatah tipped to endorse Itamar murders
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report
Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas received a stern ticking-off when he called Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu Saturday night to condemn the savage murder Friday night by Palestinian terrorists of the parents and three small children of an Israeli family while they slept at their home at Itamar on the West Bank. The Prime Minister knew Abbas had quietly ordered heads of his Fatah organization to throw its support behind the atrocity – which was why Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad was careful earlier to denounce “violence by any quarter” only in general terms.
In his address to the nation Saturday night, Netanyahu accused Palestinian leaders of hypocritically mouthing peace slogans abroad while promoting anti-Israel incitation and propaganda on a daily basis in Palestinian schools and mosques. He warned that terrorists would not be allowed to determine the settlement map.
debkafile’s sources report that the Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) has been caught out playing a double game, which has yet to be fully clarified: Is he supporting an operation by the rival Islamist Hamas action so as to ride the Arab unrest galloping across the Middle East and boost his faltering prestige at home? Is he trying to stir up another Palestinian uprising (intifada)?
It would appear that Abu Mazen is opportunistically hoping to exploit the Palestinian street’s sympathy for the Arab uprisings and divert its anger over the corruption deeply entrenched in his regime by letting Fatah terrorists off the leash for a fresh wave of attacks on Israel that could fit the slogan of the Third Palestinian Uprising. Hamas adherents might even rally behind his leadership.
Israeli security chiefs fear that even if Abbas does not mean to let the violence go to those lengths, Fatah activists may take his sympathy for the Itamar outrage as the green light for more attacks. In the last two weeks, Palestinian organizations and left-wing elements in Israel and aboard have been pushing for a Palestinian Day of Rage on Tuesday, March 15 and for two days on March 20-21 the following week, which coincide with the Jewish festival of Purim. Israel’s army, intelligence and police have been placed on the highest level of preparedness for terrorist attacks, focusing on the West Bank, Jerusalem and mixed Jewish-Arab towns until after Purim. Security measures have also been clamped down on West Bank traffic in a major operation to net the killers. Itamar has been declared a closed military zone. Saturday night saw angry Jewish settlers blocking and stoning Palestinian vehicles.
Any Jew who speaks nonsense such as “You can’t take the law into your own hands!” and “It’s forbidden to take revenge!” is an enemy of the Jewish people.
Collective punishment and vengeance are Jewish core concepts:
Matot: There Are No Innocent Midyanites
Numbers 31
“You can’t take the law into your own hands!” and “It’s forbidden to take revenge!” are the typical reactions we hear whenever good proud Jews rise up and avenge the spilled blood of Jews who have been murdered by Arabs. Typically enough, many of those who condemn these acts of vengeance do so in the name of Torah. Revenge is strictly G-d’s domain they claim, once again dismissing man from doing the “dirty work”.
Does Judaism really see G-d as the only exacter of vengeance, and our duty in the meantime is to continue to be murdered (deader, but better) and restrained? When all the future prophecies are fulfilled in which we finally even the score for all the Jewish blood that has been spilled by the gentile, are we relegated to being mere spectators?
Such myths are exploded in Parshat Matot, which is one of the primary sources used by the codifiers for teaching us the entire concept of vengenace. “And the Lord spoke to Moses saying, ‘Execute vengeance of the Children of Israel on the Midyanites”. G-d explicitly commands us to take revenge. YOU do it, He says. Moses immediately relays G-d’s message to the Jewish People, but with a significant change: “And Moses spoke unto the people saying: Arm from among ye men for war, that they may go against Midyan, TO EXECUTE THE VENGEANCE OF THE LORD ON MIDYAN”. What Hashem termed the “vengeance of the Children of Israel”, Moses called the “vengeance of the Lord”, for vengeance exacted by the Jewish People against the enemy IS G-d’s vengeance. We as His eartly servants wield His sword. read more
Israel demands CNN apology over attack coverage
Israel should ban CNN from Israel and the territories and declare them persona-nongrata . Close their operations totally and any stringer identified with CNN booted out of Israel and if they use Israeli stringers, rescind their press credentials.
rongrand says:
March 13, 2011 at 9:05 pm
Time for Israel to take drastic steps to protect her citizens.
The cowardly act by the palestinian terrorist cannot and should not be tolerated.
The IDF needs to respond with a devastating blow to the terrorist Hamas, one that will put the fear of G-d in them.
They may fear their allah but not G-d!! We need to Kill allah.
Ron it isn’t just Hamas a group affiliated with Fatah claimed responsibility. They are all the same. Pressure from the Arab street not to condemn the act, forced Abbu Mazzen to limit his condemnation ( the street was against any condemnation) according to media reports. They are all the same and we have to rid ourselves of them one way or another and I don’t care which.
The IDF leadership is comprised of wusses who prefer to fight Jews than Arabs. That’s how they get promotions.
Time for Israel to take drastic steps to protect her citizens.
The cowardly act by the palestinian terrorist cannot and should not be tolerated.
The IDF needs to respond with a devastating blow to the terrorist Hamas, one that will put the fear of G-d in them.
Israel demands CNN apology over attack coverage
American network reporters present tendentious coverage of Saturday’s gruesome murder in Itamar, question fact it was a terrorist attack. Israel’s Government Press Office ‘dumbfounded, astonished’
Attila Somfalvi
Israel is demanding an apology from CNN over its coverage of Saturday’s terrorist attack in Itamarclaiming it was “tendentious and deceptive.” Government Press Office director Oren Helman sent a letter to CNN’s Bureau Chief Kevin Flower saying he was astonished at the network’s coverage of the ruthless attack.
A CNN website report avoided describing the event as a terror attack, noting that the Israel Defense Forces consider it an act of terrorism. “Only you decided to use the term terrorist attack in quotation marks, as if this were not necessarily the case,” Helman wrote. “There is a limit to the extent of objectivity regarding such a horrific deed.”
I can’t bring myself to watch it.
i just came back from the funeral
fortunately bb and barak and peres were not invited
bb barak and peres are lost souls
it is forbidden to believe them anything
they have Jewish blood on their hands
A View of the Thousands in Attendance at the Fogel Funeral
Another clip of the victims with a message from the family Here
Shy Guy says:
It’s not a question of “offended”. I’m all for the availability as an option. There are people who literally cannot stomach such images emotionally. Some people will faint. Just give them the benefit of a warning.
The clip itself opens with a warning but in deference to the fainthearted, I agree Ted should post a warning but alongside a strong recommendation to view.
It’s not a question of “offended”. I’m all for the availability as an option. There are people who literally cannot stomach such images emotionally. Some people will faint. Just give them the benefit of a warning.
Shy Guy says:
March 13, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Ted, please add a graphic content warning to the top of your post. This is not for everybody
I disagree, this is for everybody, especially those who might be offended. No words can replace these visuals. Let no one say they didn’t know what and who our enemy is. Even animals don’t kill each other out of blind hate.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED
The Jewish Answer: Meir Kahane HY”D
Once again Arab murderes have killed a mother and child in the land of Israel. Once again, it is one of the prominent settlement leaders who has been directly hurt. At the risk of sounding cruel, it seems as if the Almighty is trying to send a message directly at them!
Once again the confused Yesha leaders held another media-covered grandoise meeting in which they demanded: “To give the Zionist answer”. Once again, the same nonsense. The “Zionist answer”. It is as if they learn nothing! What is the “Zionist answer” according to them? Expanding settlements…(they don’t dare speak of new settlements anymore!) They are simply stuck in the same mindset of ten years ago! As if another five houses or five hundred houses in Bet-El is the problem or the solution. Why does the “Zionist answer” always begin and end with the concept of settlements? After all, the Torah itself gives the Jewish answer when it commands us: “And you shall take possession of the land, and dwell therein”. And Rashi says: “You shall take possession of it from its inhabitants, and then ‘you shall dwell therein’, then you will be able to remain in it; but if not, you will not be able to remain in it.” That is to say, that if you do not expel the goyim, the settlements will be useless! Here is the Sforno: “When you burn out the inhabitants of the land, Then you will merit to inherit it to your children…” The Torah itself explicitly warns: “But if you will not drive out the inhabitants of the land…they shall harass you in the land…” Ohr HaChayim: “Not only will they hold on to parts of Israel which you have not yet conquered, but even those parts you have conquered, they will harass you…by saying ‘get out here!’” What Ruach Hakodesh! Why must they be stuck in their same tired perceptions, failing to give the most logical and Zionist answer which is the expulsion of those who have been murdering us in our country for the last 100 years!? The time has arrived to free ourselves from the faulty Zionism of “Mapai”. Zionism is indeed settling the land, but it also includes the expulsion of the foreign inhabitants. The NRP slogan of “Zionism with Nishama” (soul) must be replaced by “Zionism with Nikama” (vengeance).
Ted, please add a graphic content warning to the top of your post. This is not for everybody.
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A number of years ago I had the fortune to study, tour and live within the Arab/Muslim Middle East. Of course being from the West and ultra-Liberal Canada, my mind was truly numbed by the contorted mainstream media and intellectually impoverished academia to the realities of the situation over there. Although, from a political perspective I knew fairly well the realities surrounding the matter but not from the theo-political aspect. I set myself to task to research “the other” side of the coin by looking into the so-called “Right Wing”. Although most of my colleagues and associates love to condemn the “Right” or “Religious” none ever seem to afford the most minimal time to delve into research on any given matter. So I delved into everything I could get my hands on to understand the matter from the Islamic Texts themselves, Jewish texts, the writings from Jewish Nationalists; Ze’ev Jabotinsky, Begin and Shamir as well the, very interesting and very lengthy historical base for what they call “Religious Zionism” – Judah ha-Levi, Maimonides, Isaac Abravanel, Elijah ben Shlomo Zalman, Yisachar Shlomo Teichtal, Abraham Isaac Kook and Meir Kahane. Although the more “mystical” and Talmud/Gamara was above my understanding the logic displayed and historical understanding therein far outweighs anything on the traditional Liberal Socialist “Left Wing” especially when one takes into account Islam, its’ expansionist history as well the entire history and construct of the Socialist/Humanist/Atheist movement. All are decidedly anti-Israel and anti-Judaism/Christian/”Ten Commandments” especially within a Western sense. In conclusion, I wish to congratulate this Yamit individual for her logic as I am in the middle of responding to some anti-Semite pseudo-intellectual I had remembered a very direct interpretation of the need to liberate your lands by a Rabbi Sforno, which lead me to this page. Thank you for posting. Sforno and your Rabbi Kahane were undoubtedly on the right path…SRA
Itamar – The Yishuv Between The Blessing And The Curse,
The Eternal Symbol For The Jewish People
Itamar is located in a very special historical area ? directly facing the holy Biblical city of Shechem, the resting place of Yosef Hatzaddik and the famous mountains of Gerizim and Eval, which are situated to the west of Itamar. Itamar is named after the son of Aaron, who is buried with his brother Elazar and nephew Pinchas and the 70 elders in the adjacent village of Awarta, just south of Itamar.
Photos of Itamar: Here
and Here
Situated on “Gav Hahar” (the “hump of the mountain”), surrounded by springs and wells in the encircling hills which are historically the tribal portions of Ephraim and Menashe, the sons of Joseph, Itamar epitomizes the predicament of the Jewish settlements in Yesha – between the blessing and the curse. On one hand it has suffered terrorist acts against it more than most settlements in Yesha. On the other hand, the bounty is apparent everywhere. Biblical history comes alive in Itamar and its surroundings. Gav Hahar is crowned by two noble peaks that rise 3,000 feet above the surrounding country ? the mountains of the Blessing and the Curse – Har Gerizim and Har Eval.
There are no words – – there should be actions… rather violent ones…
Abbas’ double game: His Fatah tipped to endorse Itamar murders
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report
Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas received a stern ticking-off when he called Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu Saturday night to condemn the savage murder Friday night by Palestinian terrorists of the parents and three small children of an Israeli family while they slept at their home at Itamar on the West Bank. The Prime Minister knew Abbas had quietly ordered heads of his Fatah organization to throw its support behind the atrocity – which was why Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad was careful earlier to denounce “violence by any quarter” only in general terms.
In his address to the nation Saturday night, Netanyahu accused Palestinian leaders of hypocritically mouthing peace slogans abroad while promoting anti-Israel incitation and propaganda on a daily basis in Palestinian schools and mosques. He warned that terrorists would not be allowed to determine the settlement map.
debkafile’s sources report that the Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) has been caught out playing a double game, which has yet to be fully clarified: Is he supporting an operation by the rival Islamist Hamas action so as to ride the Arab unrest galloping across the Middle East and boost his faltering prestige at home? Is he trying to stir up another Palestinian uprising (intifada)?
It would appear that Abu Mazen is opportunistically hoping to exploit the Palestinian street’s sympathy for the Arab uprisings and divert its anger over the corruption deeply entrenched in his regime by letting Fatah terrorists off the leash for a fresh wave of attacks on Israel that could fit the slogan of the Third Palestinian Uprising. Hamas adherents might even rally behind his leadership.
Israeli security chiefs fear that even if Abbas does not mean to let the violence go to those lengths, Fatah activists may take his sympathy for the Itamar outrage as the green light for more attacks. In the last two weeks, Palestinian organizations and left-wing elements in Israel and aboard have been pushing for a Palestinian Day of Rage on Tuesday, March 15 and for two days on March 20-21 the following week, which coincide with the Jewish festival of Purim. Israel’s army, intelligence and police have been placed on the highest level of preparedness for terrorist attacks, focusing on the West Bank, Jerusalem and mixed Jewish-Arab towns until after Purim. Security measures have also been clamped down on West Bank traffic in a major operation to net the killers. Itamar has been declared a closed military zone. Saturday night saw angry Jewish settlers blocking and stoning Palestinian vehicles.
Any Jew who speaks nonsense such as “You can’t take the law into your own hands!” and “It’s forbidden to take revenge!” is an enemy of the Jewish people.
Collective punishment and vengeance are Jewish core concepts:
Matot: There Are No Innocent Midyanites
Numbers 31
“You can’t take the law into your own hands!” and “It’s forbidden to take revenge!” are the typical reactions we hear whenever good proud Jews rise up and avenge the spilled blood of Jews who have been murdered by Arabs. Typically enough, many of those who condemn these acts of vengeance do so in the name of Torah. Revenge is strictly G-d’s domain they claim, once again dismissing man from doing the “dirty work”.
Does Judaism really see G-d as the only exacter of vengeance, and our duty in the meantime is to continue to be murdered (deader, but better) and restrained? When all the future prophecies are fulfilled in which we finally even the score for all the Jewish blood that has been spilled by the gentile, are we relegated to being mere spectators?
Such myths are exploded in Parshat Matot, which is one of the primary sources used by the codifiers for teaching us the entire concept of vengenace. “And the Lord spoke to Moses saying, ‘Execute vengeance of the Children of Israel on the Midyanites”. G-d explicitly commands us to take revenge. YOU do it, He says. Moses immediately relays G-d’s message to the Jewish People, but with a significant change: “And Moses spoke unto the people saying: Arm from among ye men for war, that they may go against Midyan, TO EXECUTE THE VENGEANCE OF THE LORD ON MIDYAN”. What Hashem termed the “vengeance of the Children of Israel”, Moses called the “vengeance of the Lord”, for vengeance exacted by the Jewish People against the enemy IS G-d’s vengeance. We as His eartly servants wield His sword. read more
Israel demands CNN apology over attack coverage
Israel should ban CNN from Israel and the territories and declare them persona-nongrata . Close their operations totally and any stringer identified with CNN booted out of Israel and if they use Israeli stringers, rescind their press credentials.
They may fear their allah but not G-d!! We need to Kill allah.
Ron it isn’t just Hamas a group affiliated with Fatah claimed responsibility. They are all the same. Pressure from the Arab street not to condemn the act, forced Abbu Mazzen to limit his condemnation ( the street was against any condemnation) according to media reports. They are all the same and we have to rid ourselves of them one way or another and I don’t care which.
The IDF leadership is comprised of wusses who prefer to fight Jews than Arabs. That’s how they get promotions.
Time for Israel to take drastic steps to protect her citizens.
The cowardly act by the palestinian terrorist cannot and should not be tolerated.
The IDF needs to respond with a devastating blow to the terrorist Hamas, one that will put the fear of G-d in them.
Israel demands CNN apology over attack coverage
American network reporters present tendentious coverage of Saturday’s gruesome murder in Itamar, question fact it was a terrorist attack. Israel’s Government Press Office ‘dumbfounded, astonished’
Attila Somfalvi
Israel is demanding an apology from CNN over its coverage of Saturday’s terrorist attack in Itamar claiming it was “tendentious and deceptive.” Government Press Office director Oren Helman sent a letter to CNN’s Bureau Chief Kevin Flower saying he was astonished at the network’s coverage of the ruthless attack.
A CNN website report avoided describing the event as a terror attack, noting that the Israel Defense Forces consider it an act of terrorism. “Only you decided to use the term terrorist attack in quotation marks, as if this were not necessarily the case,” Helman wrote. “There is a limit to the extent of objectivity regarding such a horrific deed.”
I can’t bring myself to watch it.
i just came back from the funeral
fortunately bb and barak and peres were not invited
bb barak and peres are lost souls
it is forbidden to believe them anything
they have Jewish blood on their hands
A View of the Thousands in Attendance at the Fogel Funeral
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p8aw80ZlmA
Another clip of the victims with a message from the family Here
The clip itself opens with a warning but in deference to the fainthearted, I agree Ted should post a warning but alongside a strong recommendation to view.
It’s not a question of “offended”. I’m all for the availability as an option. There are people who literally cannot stomach such images emotionally. Some people will faint. Just give them the benefit of a warning.
I disagree, this is for everybody, especially those who might be offended. No words can replace these visuals. Let no one say they didn’t know what and who our enemy is. Even animals don’t kill each other out of blind hate.
NOTHING HAS CHANGED
The Jewish Answer: Meir Kahane HY”D
Once again Arab murderes have killed a mother and child in the land of Israel. Once again, it is one of the prominent settlement leaders who has been directly hurt. At the risk of sounding cruel, it seems as if the Almighty is trying to send a message directly at them!
Once again the confused Yesha leaders held another media-covered grandoise meeting in which they demanded: “To give the Zionist answer”. Once again, the same nonsense. The “Zionist answer”. It is as if they learn nothing! What is the “Zionist answer” according to them? Expanding settlements…(they don’t dare speak of new settlements anymore!) They are simply stuck in the same mindset of ten years ago! As if another five houses or five hundred houses in Bet-El is the problem or the solution. Why does the “Zionist answer” always begin and end with the concept of settlements? After all, the Torah itself gives the Jewish answer when it commands us: “And you shall take possession of the land, and dwell therein”. And Rashi says: “You shall take possession of it from its inhabitants, and then ‘you shall dwell therein’, then you will be able to remain in it; but if not, you will not be able to remain in it.” That is to say, that if you do not expel the goyim, the settlements will be useless! Here is the Sforno: “When you burn out the inhabitants of the land, Then you will merit to inherit it to your children…” The Torah itself explicitly warns: “But if you will not drive out the inhabitants of the land…they shall harass you in the land…” Ohr HaChayim: “Not only will they hold on to parts of Israel which you have not yet conquered, but even those parts you have conquered, they will harass you…by saying ‘get out here!’” What Ruach Hakodesh! Why must they be stuck in their same tired perceptions, failing to give the most logical and Zionist answer which is the expulsion of those who have been murdering us in our country for the last 100 years!? The time has arrived to free ourselves from the faulty Zionism of “Mapai”. Zionism is indeed settling the land, but it also includes the expulsion of the foreign inhabitants. The NRP slogan of “Zionism with Nishama” (soul) must be replaced by “Zionism with Nikama” (vengeance).
Ted, please add a graphic content warning to the top of your post. This is not for everybody.