T. Belman. They sold us the communist Muslim Obama who became president twice. They sold Americans Obamacare. They sold us the Muslim Brotherhood as a worthy partner. They sold us the non-existing Iran deal. They have rammed political correctness down our throats. They are pushing a genderless world, that Islam is a religion of peace, that ISIS has nothing to do with Islam, that Islamic terrorism does not exist, that the Syrian refugees, are refugees and are not a danger to our society, that the Arab/Israeli conflict is the cause of the ME turmoil, that it must be solved, that it is causing US soldiers to be killed etc. That settlements are an obstacle to peace. And now with the aid of our military and leftist leaders, that Israel is fascist. All with lies.
Soros-Backed Group that Helped Sell Iran Nuclear Deal Funds Media, DC Think Tanks
A group that advocates a nuclear-free world and that was identified earlier this month by the White House as central in helping to market the Iran nuclear deal to the news media has funded National Public Radio since 2005, an Associated Press investigation has revealed.
Think tanks funded by the Ploughshares Fund include the Arms Control Association, Brookings Institution, and the Atlantic Council, the AP reported.
Unmentioned by the AP is that the Ploughshares Fund is financed by billionaire George Soros’ Open Society Institute.
The involvement of Ploughshares in selling the Iran agreement to the public was revealed in an extensive New York Times Magazine profile of Obama’s deputy national security advise Ben Rhodes titled, “The Aspiring Novelist Who Became Obama’s Foreign-Policy Guru.” The article contains interviews with Rhodes and scores of top Obama administration officials.
Robert Malley, senior director at the National Security Council, explained the genesis and execution of the marketing plan to sell the Iran deal.
Malley explained “experts” were utilized to create an “echo chamber” that disseminated administration claims about Iran to “hundreds of often-clueless reporters” in the news media.
In the spring of last year, legions of arms-control experts began popping up at think tanks and on social media, and then became key sources for hundreds of often-clueless reporters. “We created an echo chamber,” he admitted, when I asked him to explain the onslaught of freshly minted experts cheerleading for the deal. “They were saying things that validated what we had given them to say.”
Rhodes told Times reporter David Samuels that the marketing strategy took advantage of the “absence of rational discourse” and utilized outside groups, including Ploughshares.
When I suggested that all this dark metafictional play seemed a bit removed from rational debate over America’s future role in the world, Rhodes nodded. “In the absence of rational discourse, we are going to discourse the [expletive] out of this,” he said. “We had test drives to know who was going to be able to carry our message effectively, and how to use outside groups like Ploughshares, the Iran Project and whomever else. So we knew the tactics that worked.” He is proud of the way he sold the Iran deal. “We drove them crazy,” he said of the deal’s opponents.
Now the AP has revealed the extent of Ploughshares funding to NPR and to influential foreign policy U.S. think tanks.
Besides $100,000 to NPR last year, the AP reports:
Ploughshares has funded NPR’s coverage of national security since 2005, the radio network said. Ploughshares reports show at least $700,000 in funding over that time. All grant descriptions since 2010 specifically mention Iran.
“It’s a valued partnership, without any conditions from Ploughshares on our specific reporting, beyond the broad issues of national and nuclear security, nuclear policy, and nonproliferation,” NPR said in an emailed statement. “As with all support received, we have a rigorous editorial firewall process in place to ensure our coverage is independent and is not influenced by funders or special interests.”
Ploughshare’s president was interviewed on NPR, the AP reports:
Another who appeared on NPR is Joseph Cirincione, Ploughshares’ president. He spoke about the negotiations on air at least twice last year. The station identified Ploughshares as an NPR funder one of those times; the other time, it didn’t.
Cirincione was an adviser on nuclear issues to Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign.
Ploughshares documents show funding last year to other groups to “advance its nonproliferation agenda,” according to the AP.
The Arms Control Association got $282,500; the Brookings Institution, $225,000; and the Atlantic Council, $182,500. They received money for Iran-related analysis, briefings and media outreach, and non-Iran nuclear work.
Other groups, less directly defined by their independent nuclear expertise, also secured grants.
J-Street, the liberal Jewish political action group, received $576,500 to advocate for the deal. More than $281,000 went to the National Iranian American Council.
Princeton University got $70,000 to support former Iranian ambassador and nuclear spokesman Seyed Hossein Mousavian’s “analysis, publications and policymaker engagement on the range of elements involved with the negotiated settlement of Iran’s nuclear program.”
Ploughshares says it has awarded hundreds of grants “whose aggregate value exceeded $60 million.”
A previous investigation by this reporter showed Ploughshares has partnered with a who’s who of the radical left, including Code Pink, the pro-Palestinian J Street, United for Peace & Justice, the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation and Demo, a progressive economic advisory group where President Obama’s controversial former green jobs czar, Van Jones, has served on the board.
The group says its mission is to support the “smartest minds and most effective organizations to reduce nuclear stockpiles, prevent new nuclear states, and increase global security.”
Ploughshares is in turn financed by Soros’ Open Society Institute, the Buffett Foundation, the Carnegie Corporation of New York, the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund and the Rockefeller Foundation.
Another Ploughshares donor is the Tides Foundation, which is one of the largest funders of the radical left. Tides is funded by Soros.
Ploughshares has donated to the Institute for Policy Studies, which calls for massive slashes in the U.S. defense budget.
It has also financed the International Crisis Group, a small organization that boasts Soros on its board.
@ bernard ross:
>> Certainly, obamacare
Mr. Ross, you should not use big words you do not understand. It makes you look foolish. You clearly do not even have the basic understanding of what communism is. There is nothing in Obamacare that transfers ownership of any means of production from the private sector to the public sector. Not a single thing. Communism is BY DEFINITION a system where the collective (state mostly) owns all means of production, and obamacare (however poorly designed) is not about public ownership of anything whatsoever. Consider your self educated.
>> whether he is trying. Obamacare is viewed by many as
>> a major step in the direction
Here is the problem with opinions – like assholes, everybody has one, and what comes out of them is usually shit. I know lots of people have this opinion, and they are wrong. Again, there is nothing in obamacare that centers around transferring ownership of the means of production (in this case that would be the doctors, the hospitals etc) to the state. NOTHING. There is no trace of it anywhere, and anybody who shares this opinion is simply wrong. By definition. Again, the opinion of “obamacare is a move towards communism” is, BY DEFINITION as valuable as the shit that came out of my ass this morning. Hopefully it is not an indication of the brains that produced the opinion, but sadly it often is.
>> if your father is a muslim you are a muslim
This is correct, but unbeknownst to you, apparently, we do not live in a Muslim country and Obama certainly isn’t the president of one. This means that we use OUR definition of what you are and are not. In a rational country, not a moronic backwater place run by ignorant and superstitious morons, your religion is defined by what you as a person believe in. Obama is not a Muslim, and stating he is is an opinion that (again) is worth less than a morning shit. I seriously hate people who think that their OPINIONS are valid just because they hold them with a measure of conviction. Sorry, your opinions are worthless when held up against observable FACT. FACT: By any rational definition, Obama is (sadly) a Christian.
>> one must wonder why a hearsay atheist was never
>> executed for apostasy
No, one mustn’t. What one must do is to engage something you seem incredibly reluctant to use, ones brain, and check how ones opinion matches the reality. One could start with a google search to see how many countries have taken this part of Sharia law and implemented it in its civil law system. You might be surprised to see how few it is. This is why I specifically didn’t say that countries implemented such law, but used the term “extremist” next to a word describing a religion, not a country.
>> your limited experience in the west does not determine
>> the MO of the rest of the world
I know, but we are talking about people living in the west, we are talking about how things are in the west, more specifically how it is in the US. By any standard IN THE US, Obama is a Christian. Since he was born in the US, raised mostly in the US, lives in the US and is the president of the US, we look at it with US eyes. Even if Obama was the president of Saudi Arabia, a rational mind would still call him a Christian, no matter what the retarded laws of that backwards place says. We are discussing what religion Obama HAS, not what religion some mufti in some shit-hole thinks Obama SHOULD have. Again, these are things we can easily understand if we engage our BRAINS when forming arguments.
>> your argument appears to assert that Obama and family
>> hid their real religion for purposes of opportunism
Is there any place where I have said Obama hid his religion? Obama’s father obviously was an atheist. He was so publicly. He didn’t hide it. Obama’s step father was a Muslim, but he sent Obama to a Catholic school, that’s not hiding anything at all. You are constructing arguments based on imagined scenarios that exist only in your brain, and that of a handful of nutcases.
>> even the facts you quote say otherwise
Only in brains that are not, and probably never have been, turned on.
Here is a simple question for you: If the Saudi Government says that you are a Muslim, does that make you a Muslim? If not, why does that not apply to Obama?
terjeber Said:
Looks like all those christians and yazidis being slaughtered was a myth……. at least to Obama… the non muslim
Bear Klein Said:
I was only considering economic ventures, communally, worker owned or state owned.. I agree that I cant see grown adults living like that beyond 25 years old.
I was interested on the affect of agricultural kibbutzes on the various agricultural achievements and advances made famous by Israel. Were the advances connected with the kibbutzes.
Thanks for the interesting first hand take.
@ bernard ross:The Kibbutz as a viable movement also did not just fail due to economics.
The interdependence on other members who needed to give you permission to go to college or go visit your parents in Canada or a myriad of other things (e.g. work function or place, getting a car for the evening). The communal lifestyle is not for most people.
Many people passed through the kibbutz in Israel as it was a safe economic first stop when moving to Israel. In 1950 Kibbutz members where about 7% of the population. Today it is about 2%. Membership has increased lately due (compared to the 90s) due to the appeal of rural living and that most kibbutzim are privatized.
Some people (a small minority function well in a cooperative lifestyle). Most people prefer to choose their careers and be independent in life choices. A good number of people who were born on the kibbutz and left to the city life have returned (with wives and kids) to buy houses on the now privatized kibbutz, for the rural living, and to be near their parents.
If this was a viable model for society it not be limited to a 100,000 people. In its heyday there 129,000. In 1950 there were 65,000 people on the Kibbutzim (out 1.3 million Israelis).
Now with 8 million plus people Israel has roughly 100,000 people living mostly on privatized kibbutzim. So the numbers reflect that the kibbutz is not a successful living model.
Never mind I did enjoy a lot of life on the kibbutz while it lasted for me.
Keli-A Said:
I agree, its interesting how there is little real opposition to many things happening today… especially from elected congress… in some countries congress goes on the street to protest but this bunch only cares about their salaries and perks.
@ Keli-A:
you are incorrigible, where do you find these videos 😛
Ted Belman Said:
I am sure there are tons of muslim cousins too…. muslims and communists go together because they are both ideologies seeking purity and useful idiots… hence they found each other.
Ted Belman Said:
thanks
Bear Klein Said:
I know, but I enjoy joshing with you
Bear Klein Said:
nope, thats why I asked you
@ bernard ross:
Bernard what you believe as facts in some cases I believe are not actually facts. They may be theories or simply wrong.
Bernard did you ever live on a kibbutz? I do not mean for a weekend while on vacation?
Obama’s brother Malick is an Islamist. His grandmother also. His mother was a communist sympathizer. So were her parents.
Obama, while a senator, stumped for rail Odinga in Kenya in 2007. Odinga was a militant Islamist at the time. I included these points in my talk Obama’s Middle East Debacle. The video of this talk can be seen near the top of the Left Column of Israpundit.
Bernard Ross. You put a lot of work or thought into your comments and I appreciate you taking up the challenge.
This is one of the best threads on Israpundit.
Smart dog refuses treats from Commie Barak Obama
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XivhwO_zWWg
Bear Klein Said:
in other words there are failed communal businesses and successful communal businesses? its like general motors… without gov subsidies they would have gone bankrupt.
Bear Klein Said:
that’s nice… but dont confuse beliefs and philosophies with FACTS! Facts dont change according to beliefs and philosophies… but folks with philosophies and beliefs tend to obfuscate those facts so that the “facts” appear to authenticate their beliefs..
If Americans think that their constitution will save them, they better think again. The constitution is only as strong as the people willing to roll up their sleeves and defend it. And with up to 30 million illegals, as well as a plethora of un-educated drop-outs and dumbed-down kids, and a lot of leftist liberals, democrats and progressives who make up a great deal of the population that would like to see ‘change’, then conservative patriotic Americans are going to have a hard time keeping their country from turning into a commie-zombie horror film. Let’s face it, as it is now, Americans can’t even get their president to produce his birth certificate to put to rest their legitimate concerns that he may not be eligible to hold the office of the presidency.
@ bernard ross:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWi182CMJY8#t=156
@ bernard ross:
Anyway I am sure you and I will never agree on economics and I no interest in trying to change your mind. So I will respectfully disagree with your economic beliefs and philosophies.
@ bernard ross:
I and lived worked in the kibbuzim in 1970s. What do you mean by infusion of capitalism into the kibbutzim?
The Kibbutz model to sustain itself has not worked without government subsidies in the vast majority of cases (~66%). An exception to this is the following Kibbutz.
This is because they have one large business the dairy which makes them a viable entity. This business makes the kibbutz viable without it the kibbutz would not be sustainable.
@ Bear Klein:
no the growth is directly related to the lifting of tariffs by the west and the funneling of purchases from the west to china.. without the capitalists directing that there would be no growth in china and no depressed economies in the west. NO rocket science, they used our consumption to fuel the chinese economy, instead of our own, for their agenda and interest. If you were correct they could have produced for their own consumption economy, instead it is all export driven and only now starting to change. 30 years of funneling our consumption dollars to china to build their economy… and for who…? We can see that it has devastated our economies. If they were not centrally planned their growth would have been fueled by their own consumption. It is the central planning which subsidized their exports with currency exchange as we did with tariffs… engineered and orchestrated at both ends by partners in crime. They have become suppliers to the world before supplying themselves… this was achieved by the discipline of the authority of the government not by market forces.
@ Bear Klein:
was your work after or before the infusion of capitalism into the kibutzes… was it the first couple of decades or later?
Bear Klein Said:
does this prove that communism works?
@ bernard ross:The growth in the Chinese economy is due to the privation of agriculture and most industries. It does not come from central planning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform
@ bernard ross: I lived in several kibbutzim for years the lasting impression was that a few highly motivated people worked hard for various motivations (some where the leaders of the kibbutz). However, the majority of people did not work nearly as hard as the people who had to work to make sure they get paid.
Many people did the least amount possible and in some cases next to nothing.
Many about 2/3rds of the Kibbutzim became bankrupt when the Israel government stopped subsiding them. The ones that are self sufficient and still follow the general socialist kibbutz model actual have a large business that sustains them and works in the general economy.
Felix Quigley Said:
I dont hate them, I find them to have failed practically, but I feel the same way about capitalism. China, a communist centrally planned economy is enormously succesful but that is because the capitalists have subverted and hijacked the western consumption driven economies to fund their intended development of an asian consumption driven econonomy in which they hope to reap untaxed profits. they did not use their money, they used our money to build the asian economies. Hence, we cannot really ascribe china’s success economically to communism…. but we can ascribe the failure of capitalism today in the west to unbridled greedy capitalism fueled by corruption of greedy capitalists buying our corrupt representatives. the system they are devising is one in which they maintain their hierarchical wealth and power unbridled by national boundaries… a global free for all, but where they continue to control the national and global institutions… hence the soros NGO’s. Capitalists fare best when making deals with communist nations… pepsi cola discovered that in the cold war. In such deals they make one deal with the rulers which covers everything in which they are interested including (LOL) labor and “union” problems. There is one payout to the rulers rather than the myriad payouts in democracies. The rulers get a cut of everything imported and controlled by the deal… into a numbered account…or into hard laundered assets. Capitalists and communists may not be ideological buddies but in reality they are the ideal couple…… which is why I usually find theoretical discussions of capitalism and communism to be absurd.
Bear Klein Said:
dont agree…. where people are driven by vision and goals they work far beyond their pay… whether individually or in groups. e.g. the original kibbutz. The problem is that people feel a need to identify and defend an ideology, which is in itself absurd and unrealistic.
I support free enterprise but I recognize the corruption and danger of greedy people controlling our lives. This occurs is unbridled capitalism and in communism. Comparing theoretical models with actual realities makes no sense…. apples and oranges. you can compare real communism with real capitalism or theoretical capitalism with theoretical communism…. a world of difference between theory and practice.
Pepsi Cola found in their first venture into a communist nation that they had no problems with labor or unions… that is real communism.
Felix Quigley Said:
apparently your prayers have been answered… probably not to your satisfaction though
Ted Belman Said:
he might be an unsuccessful communist or one just laying the foundation stone in a relay race.
Ted Belman Said:
I agree, the communists and socialists always appear concerned with controlling peoples thoughts when they steal.
I am a pragmatist.. by their very nature it is my belief that ideologies and dogmas are flawed… nature appears to work differnetly.. it is undogmatic… it has systems which work but also has the manifestations which break the rule… it is all inclusive but does not bend to the anomalies.. it merely allows them. einsteinian physics does not bury Newtons physics… it merely limits the applications of newtonian physics conclusions.
Bear Klein Said:
for economic growth.. I agree… the free enterprise model produces a network of creativity which does not accompany centrally planned economies which disallow free enterprise. However, lets not confuse free enterprise with capitalism and its worship.. capital does not need to remain solely in private hands in a free enterprise system. I think that one should take what works from different ideologies or systems.
Bear Klein Said:
China is a communist centrally planned economy which has proven remarkably stronger in the last 20 years of growth than the western nations. the capitalist system is market driven and does not plan for a long term future, it responds only to individual current market profit motives. Some see the chines empty cities as a large error but I see it as forward planning where they sunk their export driven profits into hard assets they will need when they suffer the dislocation to their economy as they switch from export driven to consumer driven. they are planning for mass migrations to the cities, and expect to be tight in money at that time. They are simply tightening the belt on consumption and saving for the future.
One lesson to learn from some of the posts in this thread is that Obama cult members are keeping up with Ted Belman’s activity. Doubtful they’re doing it in order to expand their awareness. But it’s interesting.
@ terjeber:
here is a readers post in the comments section of a link I gave you, the poster does not appear to agree with you:
Mazdak the Communist and Prince Mar Zutra II
“…in the time of Kovad I (488–531), when Mazdak arose as a prophet of the doctrine of community of property and women. Kovad accepted the doctrine and, among other groups, the Jews were persecuted when they rejected Mazdakism. The exilarch Mar Zutra II gathered an armed force and defended the Jewish community for seven years.”
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0003_0_01807.html
terjeber Said:
Certainly, obamacare… removing control of a major portion of the economy into the gov. sphere.
terjeber Said:
now there is a powerful argument… almost as strong as these two powerful arguments:
terjeber Said:
terjeber Said:
sorry, the argument was not whether he was successful at implementing communism but whether he is trying. Obamacare is viewed by many as a major step in the direction as it involves the transfer of the control of health care from the free market. similarly medicaid and medicare are considered the same, and for good reason. the tactic of communists in democratic societies is not usually a coup detat… it is a piecemeal operation which exploits opportunity and crisis. Medicare, medicaid and obamacare are picemeal attempts at a single payer gov system. The fact that private parties provide the direct services is neither here nor there… it is not in their control once they participate. Obama was mentored by his grandfathers communist friend frank davis and also saul alinsky with whom he worked in cooperation. He belonged to the new party. Obama’s disrespect for the constitution, his use of executive edicts demonstrate a leftist streak in that leftist radicals tend to beleive that the means to their utopia is justified by the ends. In fact, in my experience the real difference between leftist politicians in power and right wing is one of MO… the right wing capitalists steal and if you stay out of their way while they do it you are ok…. the left wing always wants to control minds becuase their stealing is based on maintaining the support of the fools they are stealing from.
You missed the point of my arguments…. which was your shameless proclamation of ignorance in the presentation of your arguments. the ignorance appears to remain but now it is a question as to whether the ignorance is willful or accidental. e.g.
terjeber Said:
NO.. obamas father was raised a muslim… he was not a christian or atheist raised in a muslim country. AND…. unbeknownst to you apparently is the fact that in muslim nations if your father is a muslim you are a muslim…your westerm perspective does not change that fact…. Were you being intentionally dishonest when you implied that he was not raised a muslim?
terjeber Said:
In which case one must wonder why a hearsay atheist was never executed for apostasy.
terjeber Said:
yes, but he was registered there as a muslim and attended koran classes.
terjeber Said:
LOL, perhaps it is only accidental ignorance which determines your conclusions…. It appears that you beleive that the world operates according you your very provincial experiences.
terjeber Said:
LOL, on the contrary… your limited experience in the west does not determine the MO of the rest of the world and especially the muslim world. Furthermore, your argument appears to assert that Obama and family hid their real religion for purposes of opportunism… which agrees with taquiya whereby a muslim may shed all outer appearances of Islam to further islam covertly.
You are obviouly tainted with the disease of interpreting everything through your myopic experience, which led you to ignore facts:
his grandfather was a muslim
his father was a muslim
his stepfather was a muslim
he was registered and attended school as a muslim
he attended religious services in mosques
etc etc etc… better you read this and throw away your pipe dreams.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/7/obama-i-have-never-been-a-muslim/?page=all
http://www.danielpipes.org/5544/barack-obamas-muslim-childhood
terjeber Said:
LOLROFLMAO 😛 😛 😛
even the facts you quote say otherwise
(BTW I am a supporter of a national health care system, but it does not color my evaluation of facts.)
Communism has many faults the basic one being: Communism is completely lacking in the basic drives of individual incentive.
People end up doing in general the least amount of work as opposed to being productive. State run economies do not function on a need basis but are based on top down forecasting that does not work in practice.
@ Felix Quigley:
I don’t hate Communism, per say. I hate the totalitarianism that accompanies it.
I don’t support Marxism nor do I support nineteenth century capitalism. I don’t want the pendulum to swing too far in either direction.
@ Felix Quigley:
Just because Obama has not passed communist legislation, does not mean he is not a communist.
Just because Israel hasn’t annexed Judea and Samaria yet, doesn’t mean Israel is not Zionist or not entitled to it.
Communism and the USSR were the enemies of the US as we knew it. So is Obama.
@ Felix Quigley:
Ted Belman
Even though you and some others are communist haters, haters of Marxism etcetera, the national liberation movements are broad churches. Zionim is such a broad church and if you express communist hatred then you must be challenged.
You initially said that “they sold us the communist Obama”
Now 24 hours later (Whew that was fast!) you say that Obama is “not a communist” or at least you have no evidence to produce of such.
Looks like you have lost the argument.
The rest about totalitarian is deflection.
The issue of Communism undermining America is total deflection. That worked both ways. It started early on …https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Intervention
QUOTE…In July 1918, against the advice of the United States Department of War, President Wilson agreed to send 5,000 US troops as the American North Russia Expeditionary Force (aka the Polar Bear Expedition) and 10,000 US troops as the American Expeditionary Force Siberia.
PS Bernard Ross still has to reply to our new friend and that is why I await
I’m having trouble posting an extensive comment with links and hope this simpler post will get through.
http://obamaism.blogspot.co.il/
@ bernard ross:
@ terjeber:
Bernard made my case. I see you didn’t bother to address his response.
As for whether any of his policies would make him a “communist” I think not. But they certainly would label him a socialist. Furthermore considering that he has trashed the constitution and lied to the people time and time again, he can’t be called a democrat. More like a totalitarian. One of the goals of the USSR was to undermine America. Many people on the left are dedicated to doing so. Obama has done his best to transform America into something unrecognizable and unsustainable. For instance he has doubled the national debt and alienated many of America’s allies.
As for being a Muslim, I stand by my assertion. His policies are all directed to advancing Muslims both in the US and the world.
Obamas past as we know very well is steeped in ambiguity and best not to go down that rabbit hole at this point. But we can see that he has acted on behalf of Jihad and in htis he is like Corbyn or Livingstone but with great power at his disposal. He has been an evil Jihad loving influence.
The “Communist” charges made by Ted Belman and Bernard Ross are very clear and very serious. I await the points made by Terjeber (who I have not read before) to be answered by Ted Belman and Bernard Ross. They are good points.
@ bernard ross:
>> there is no argument against all the evidence of Obama’s communist
Can you cite examples of policies, policy suggestions or anything else where Obama has tried to remove the ownership of the means of production from private hands to state or federal hands? In a communist society the ownership of the means of production (which is basically everything) lies with the collective, mostly state. Is there anything in his policies suggesting such a trend?
If your answer includes Obamacare (not a particularly good idea by all means) you are just clueless.
>> Obama’s father and stepfather was a muslim
Obama’s father was raised in a Muslim country, which doesn’t make him a Muslim. Obama’s father was an atheist. This makes him rational, and also a target for Muslims to a greater degree than it would make a Christian a target. The extremist Muslim punishment for dropping out of the infantile superstition they cling to is death.
Obama’s stepfather is registered as a Muslim, but his faith can not have been too dominating in his life, since Obama, when in Indonesia, primarily attended Catholic school. He was in a secular public school for a period of time in Indonesia also. While in Indonesia Obama was registered in school as a Muslim, the only reason for this is that all children in Indonesia are registered in school with their fathers religion. His fathers religion also determined which religious classes he was enrolled in. I was, in my own country, enrolled in Christian classes my entire school life, it doesn’t mean I am afflicted with that superstition either.
Being registered somewhere according to your parents religion doesn’t mean you ever share that religion. Hell, in my own country I am registered as a Christian, and my daughter is baptized. It’s tradition. I don’t subscribe to any infantile superstition. There is no evidence anywhere indicating Obama is or ever was a Muslim in any sense.
@ Ted Belman:
There is currently no policy implemented or even suggested by Obama that fits the moniker “communist”. Many in the Repugnican party, party that genuinely supports collectivist ideas like communism, like to brand Obama a communist mainly because of Obama care. I agree it is a terrible plan, but it is not communism. Quite the opposite in fact. If Obama had created a state-owned system for health care, then you could argue that was communism, but to my knowledge Obama has created zero state-owned companies in his tenure as the US president. In a communist society the means or production (which basically means everything) is owned by the collective.
The idea that Obama is Muslim is childishly absurd. Obama was raised a Christian and one of the strongest criticisms of him when he ran for president was his too strong ties to extreme Christian organizations and people. Obama’s mother was a Christian, Obama’s father was an atheist. Sadly it seems Obama has not inherited the rational mind of his father and it seems he genuinely believes in magical sky fairies. An affliction too many people in the western world suffers from.
@ Salubrious:
I didn’t say they sold me on any of those things but they got the collective to accept them.
@Belman “They sold us the Muslim Brotherhood as a worthy partner.”
“The Ikhwan” (members of the Muslim Brotherhood) must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.”
— ‘An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America,’ 1981 admitted in evidence in the Holy Land Foundation terrorism financing case without objection to its authenticity. When CAIR objected to its inclusion as an “unindicted coconspirator” the presiding judge held there was adequate evidence of record to support that designation. CAIR was never indicted because the matter was dropped by the Department of Justice when Obama became President.
WB Said:
what happened was the usual: BB blocked it
BB runs the show, he just told us that again
https://www.israpundit.org/archives/63615020#comment-63356000171647
bernard ross Said:
Certainly true, and it’s unlikely Bibi will ever state this easily-proven fact. I expected Shaked to implement the Levy Report, but as is so often the case something happened and she let all of us down. Instead, she’s focusing on chasing down media pirates.
An important part of eristics is keeping the opponent distracted… to change the subject. Schopenhauer wrote of this in his 38 Strategems I don’t remember if Bernays mentions this in Propaganda.
Keeping us distracted and confused so we’re no longer able to make simple distinctions is another technique ‘The Left’ mastered long ago. Starting with Karl Marx, the Marxists have always been good at creating ‘crisis’ and using it to gain power and keep ‘the masses’ in line.
But they didn’t invent this technique. I believe it was Demosthenes who complained to the Athenians that they were letting Philip of Macedon determine their strategy… instead of fighting Philip head-on they would merely respond to what Philip did. Exactly as the Israeli government has been doing with the Palestinazis almost from the beginning of the State (I don’t count the few times we’ve shown wisdom and courage and seized upon the opportunities Hashem has given us… I look at the overall strategy of capitulation).
Thanks for your comment.
WB Said:
the same thing obtains by ommission…. that is why BB has avoided for nine years to say these simple words, for fear they will be repeated and then demanded by the Jewish people:
“JEWISH SETTLEMENT IN JUDEA SAMARIA IS LEGAL AND LEGITIMATE”
He just “forgot” to mention it again to the the french creep who said that it wasn’t, again.
What happened to all those polls showing hillary beating donald????
“Sixty-two thousand four hundred repetitions make one truth.” Aldous Huxley Brave New World https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Brave_New_World
It’s well known (and, I believe, scientifically documented) that people rarely accept new ideas. Marketing professionals know that getting people to use a new product requires giving away free samples. If you can get an individual to make a new choice even one time, you greatly increase the odds they’ll make that choice again.
Propaganda works by repetition, and by ‘hooking’ an idea to something the individual already believes.
Pavlov, Skinner, and Lorenz understood this mechanism. Bernays put it to use in the human social-political realm and spelled it all out in his classic book Propaganda. There are variations and refinements, of course; but changing the behavior of humans is accomplished in pretty much the same way as it is with dogs. Repetition, Reward, Punishment, Repetition… until the desired result is achieved.
It seems that ‘The Left’ understands these things much better than ‘The Right’. They (the ‘Left’) stick to their simple slogans and get their opponents to accept the framework and definitions that they (the ‘Left’) impose.
Simply put, ‘The Left’ are much better at sophistry and eristics and have more determination and persistence than ‘The Right’. It’s not all about money.
terjeber Said:
You appear to be incorrect on many counts: first the author of the aricle was not the author of that statement
second, there is no argument against all the evidence of Obama’s communist and socilaist links with Alinsky and Frank Davis
third, Obama’s father and stepfather was a muslim… he was brought up a muslim living in muslim indonesia with his stepfather… pictures and other evidence make that clear. Also, in Islam the father determines the religion
Fourth, his attendance at the anti semitic church of wright is not evidence he is a christian as muslims were welcome as well as bath house black gays on the down low being put together by wright in marriage with black woman.
Fifth, you are apparently ignorant of Aaron Klein whom I consider to have been a pioneer in the exposing of the US supplying of AQ with arms from libya and croatia to fund the syrian destabilization.
I think that perhaps your attention span limits your focus to reading one sentence… i suggest you take your ritalin as prescribed for your obvious defect. I can see no other reason for you publicizing your ignorance here without shame, proudly waving it like a flag.
this is the absurd scenario created by the left in israel…. can anyone imagine a hotel in saudi arabia asking them to remove their burkas. Only the jews permit anti semitism in their jewish homeland. Muslim abuse of Jews on the mount is the same…. all anti semitism facilitated by the jewish left. If the arabs are insulted in Israel by Jewish religious garb they can get out quickly. What is the hotel manager’s name, it should be disclosed, the hotel should be shut down for facilitating anti semitism at its highest management level. Its time to end the anti semitic abuse of Jews in Israel by muslims and leftists… anti semitism must become a crime with mandatory deportation.
sounds just like those sources for the blood libels that incited pogroms to kill jews. Basically they want to be allowed to continue their blood libels to incite the world to murder jews…. their incitement kills jewish children in paris, their incitement kills with revenge stabbings in Israel, their incitement subjects Jews in the diaspora to attacks….. their inicitement should put them in administrative detention until their crimes are ready for trial. There is not greater crime deserving of capital punishment than spreading lies to incite the murder of Jews…. they should be tried and then executed for inciting genocide…… instead they have the temerity to keep spreading lies based on fake anonymous sources. They need to pay for their murders…. zero tolerance for anti semites telling lies, inciting murder. Instead of locking up jewish nationalists Yaalon should have locked up these criminals… their lawyers are likely involved in covering up their crimes too.
antother anti semitic soros front. I am amazed that Soros is still alive when half the nations in the world accuse him of trying to destabilize them with a flood of muslims…. he has been a plague to the jewish people since he helped the nazis consfiscate Jewish properties as a teenager. Now he is invested in SCYTL the spanish corp who sells electronic voting machines to the US… Surely he is more dangerous to the Jews tha Yassin who was targeted with assasination……. a dangerous villain equals a no brainer.
@ terjeber:
Make your case. I’ll make mine.
I read up to “the communist Muslim Obama”, and then realized that the author of whatever followed was fundamentally insane.