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Menu There is no diplomatic solutionIsrael should declare three nos;
no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
https://strategic-israel.org/indo-israeli-relations/
@Edgar Happy Birthday!
@Edgar
A very happy birthday! Looking forward to wishing you many more in the future!
@Edgar G.
Save your comments before you post them, and if they disappear, post them again.
Happy Birthday!
TED-
Maybe it is an AI machine and doesn’t like me. It does happen a lot to me.
Never mind, let it go. Thanks for looking.
By the way, I had a birthday a week ago. This is just to remind you to respect your elders……….*(*(*(*(*(*(&*&**& ( just kidding-my little joke)
Edgar
I couldn’t find any such comment.
I do not know why this happens to you alone.
Judaism is based on insurrection.
BTW, the year 1AD was set in the year 500AD.
Ted-
I have a post on the Israel-India article floating around in the bowels of your computer Ganav.
Happens a lot to me lately.
@Bear Not silly but who cares and who cares about Jesus either.
I think there may be something in many of these cultural correspondences, and the evidence isn’t lost, it’s waiting for further scientific analysis. Genetic research can trace migration better than people could in the past, and someday we will know where we all came from and who our cousins are, whether Indian or British, etc.
Even Troy could have been somewhere else than where convention has placed it. We will know this for sure someday, the evidence is still there to be analyzed.
@Seb, you are right who cares and it sounds silly at best anyway.
Well, there are Indian gurus and others who think Christianity’s origins lie in Buddhism or Hinduism infused into a Jewish context, and I thought about posting this but then when I thought about it, honestly, at this point
Who cares?
BEAR-
Yes I know this. But there are certain factual items that we DO know.
This character IS mythical. Based on Sol Invictus and a compendium of other imaginary characters, and Torah mistranslations, and that any supposed reference “proof” to him , like in Testimonium Flavianum, are ” interpolations” most likely by Eusebius who was noted for forging many such items.
Added proof is that almost equally famous Church Historians had read Josephus before Eusebius -like Origen-, and never mentioned that purported “Testimonium”, whereas, had it been there, they would have jumped on it.
Christianity is well aware of it’s foundation on a clay base and always trying to produce “evidence” of it’s alleged authenticity. It never can.
A HUGE inferiority complex about Jews.
Except to fanatical “believers’, like those described by the epileptic druggie Paul , who had a “vision” and said that “one must believe by faith alone else it is for naught.” or words to that effect.
That self dubbed “Roman Citizen” which of course was a total Lie. Herod worked spent, aided wir supplies and large forces, became a Roman Citizen only after over 30 years of such aid even after rescuing Julius Caesar from certain death when penned up in Alexandria.
Paul, a tent maker, the , lowest artisan occupation, living in Tarsus, over 1000K from Rome. Hundreds of thousands of Roman residents ,families living there for centuries were not Citizens, although some had very limited “rights’, but most had none.
It was a very rare title
BEAR_
Yes I know this. But there are certain factual items that we DO know.
This character IS mythical. Based on Sol Invictus and a compendium of other imaginary characters, and Torah mistranslations, and that any supposed reference “proof” to him , like in Testimonium Flavianum, are ” interpolations” most likely by Eusebius who was noted for forging many such items.
Added proof is that almost equally famous Church Historians had read Josephus before Eusebius -like Origen-, and never mentioned that purported “Testimonium”, whereas, had it been there, they would have jumped on it.
Christianity is well aware of it’s foundation on a clay base and always trying to produce “evidence” of it’s alleged authenticity. It never can.
A HUGE inferiority complex about Jews.
Except to fanatical “believers’, like those described by the epileptic druggie Paul , who had a “vision” and said that “one must believe by faith alone else it is for naught.” or words to that effect.
That self dubbed “Roman Citizen” which of course was a total Lie. Herod worked spent, aided wir supplies and large forces, became a Roman Citizen only after over 30 years of such aid even after rescuing Julius Caesar from certain death when penned up in Alexandria.
Paul, a tent maker, the , lowest artisan occupation, living in Tarsus, over 1000K from Rome. Hundreds of thousands of Roman residents ,families living there for centuries were not Citizens, although some had very limited “rights’, but most had none.
It was a very rare title.
How true
@Edgar we will never factually know about Jesus as there are no contemporary historical images or writings referencing him at the time he is alleged to have lived.
It is all faith based by people who wrote about his alleged life about 300 years later.
Bear-
Thank you indeed for your strong support of my post,
Also your hitherto unknown to me that Roman statues and later pictures of Ben Stada/Pandira, resembled one another. I don’t think the Roman and Greek statues found represented particularly named persons , except gods. Unless women then were accustomed to walk around naked
In fact there were no pictures found until around the 4th-6th cent. and only “presumed” to be of that mythical personage, and were found in old Catacombs. No one really knows.
I recollect that the early pictures most often represented a man carrying a lamb across his shoulders, the lamb (of god) supposedly representing Ben Pandira, and persisted well into the Medieval Period.
@Edgar you are 100% Judaism is not based on resurrection. Some people believe that the Romans invented the figure Jesus because at the time Messianic Judaism was very popular and this was the counter weight.
Interestingly the Roman God Statues found in the basements of the Roman temples looked very similar to how paintings of Jesus look like.
That is why there is a school of thought Jesus never actually existed but was simply a Roman invention.
MICHAEL
I know what “Hoi Polloi” means, but not “Hoi Pelosi”.
Are you attempting to make a “joke” – a first time effort…??
Or is creeping age the culprit???
MICHAEL-
Judaism was NEVER based on “the hope of resurrection”…for all of it’s existence as a nation in The Holy Land. This piece of crap only came into being after the Roman destruction to soothe the People from theirSlaughter, Utter Defeat, Destruction of the Temple, and Exile,
It is mainly a Christian tenet, since they have little or nothing else good except what they “lifted” from the Torah.
n mmBEAR-
I thought you might know that those 3 principles, the legs on which Jews stand, are a palliative invented by ancient Rabonim to try to offset that the Jews, in those dsys of outside encroachments (of which the Torah is replete, ending in total Roman destruction and exile)
were a warlike People constantly engaged in wither invading or defending against outside attacks , often one of the great Empires. Rarely completely independent, and only then because of internal turmoil amongst their enemy of the time (succession, civil war)
Mostly subservient allies of the then major Power.
@Michael Oh, lighten up. In fact, the modern Indian state only goes back to Ghandi, just as the USA goes back to George Washington, and the Soviet Union went back to Lenin. Israel goes back to Herzl. The character of the Founding fathers of states tend to have the determining influence in the direction of their policies, I have noticed.
Needless to say, the Fakestinians only go back to the Nazi Grand Mufti and his KGB nephew who promulgated the notion that they were some kind of separate nation from the other Muslim Arabs in the ’60s.
The only point of my humorous aside was to say to any “civilization” including yours that says, “fuck the Jews,” well, FUCK YOU! (pardon my french)
(“And may you be happy, well and peaceful.” As a lifelong Jewish Buddhist, I have to say that, even if I don’t mean it. 😀 )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFDxWtARmsU&t=2s
@Michael Lighten up. 😀
(I had a New Age Yoga/Hinduism/Buddhism alternative healing systems, meditation systems upbringing as you well know. I did TM (Transcendental Meditation and White Tantric Yoga inspired by Yogi Bajan, Kundilini Yoga, when I was a teenager. You’re teaching yer grandma to suck eggs, here, as the sayin’ goes.)
The three pillars of Judaism are Love of:
Torah (one-G-d)
Am Yisrael (Jewish People)
Land of Israel (Israel, Zion)
Sebastian,
The hoi pelosi probably aren’t too interested in comparisons of Indian and Jewish culture. The two are as different from each other as one can get, in terms of their belief system: Judaism is fulfilled by the practice of Godly love, taught to us in Torah; Hinduism and descended Eastern religions are fulfilled by “self-improvement” exercises such as yoga. Judaism is based on the hope of resurrection; Eastern religions are based on reincanation. Eastern religions teach that the world we experience is illusion, and in practical terms, meaningless. Judaism instructs us of a world that is very real and deadly meaningful.
I mentioned Indian religion not for its own sake, but because it has parallels to Judaism, connected by a shared cultural history, going back far further than 1917 (the Trotskyite date of Creation), 1897 (the Creation of the Zionist movement) or 1619 (the creation of Wokeism). Not recommended for the hoi pelosi.
@Michael Yes, well, we do have in common a love of Kdrama (South Korean TV mini-series for
The benefit of
The woefully uneducated hoi peloi who shall remain nameless’), which is the hallmark of civilization I’ll give them that.
https://m.timesofindia.com/web-series/news/korean/choi-soo-jong-kim-yoo-jung-and-shin-hye-sun-own-the-top-spots-in-january-drama-actor-rankings/amp_articleshow/106732668.cms
(though I must confess I also like Indian movies. I used to be a big fan of Indian cinema (I even took a college course 30 years ago, my how time flies, both art house and Bollywood until I learned that my favorite actor was a pro-“Palestinian ” Muslim. There’s one playing in a theater here in Telegu with Indian subtitles I’m considering going to see tonight. But don’t tell anyone. )
India is a fully-equipped modern world power, with strong historical ties to Israel. In a pinch, they can both look to one another as strategic partners.
Culturally, the two share ancient parallel developments.
1. Writing. The current national scripts (Modern Hebrew and Devanagari) both descend from their Egyptian logographic common ancestor, probably through the Aramaic writing of the Persian Empire period.
2. Religion. Judaism and Hinduism are both ethnic religions, linked to ancient homelands. They even share similar castes: (Brahmin/Levite, Kshatriya/Davidic, Shudra/Israelite). Hinduism’s relationship to Buddhism is parallel to Judaism’s relationship with Christianity.
3. British Colonial History. In both countries, the British period was built upon the remains of declining Muslim empires (Ottoman/Mughal), both gained independence at approximately the same time (1948/1947), and both have been plagued ever since with Muslim antagonism.*
Israel’s prime example of a close relationship with a similar neighbor was that of David and Solomon with the King of Tyre. It worked then, bearing fruit in the construction of Beit HaMikdash; and it might work well today.
*The Seleucid: Jewish and Bactrian: Indian; and Roman: Jewish and Kushan: Indian relationships also provided parallel threads in the respective cultures.
I just noticed something I never noticed before. Ghandi doesn’t cite the rights of the local Arabs but Muslim Powers. And, he recognizes that Jews are the original owners in the title. This is 1921. No time to create fictitious national identities and flood the country with illegal aliens from the newly created Arab countries, created by the same legal instruments that created the Jewish National Home, which is to say, Israel.
And, I just googled “jazirat-ul-arab”
“Arabian Peninsula
In the early 1920s, Gandhi embraced Islamic motives, symbols, worldview and arguments to justify the Khilafat struggle and periodically used the expression Jazirat-ul-Arab, a term used by leaders of the Khilafat movement and the Muslim League, to denote the territories that were threatened, captured and eventually broken away from the Ottoman Empire. There is an etymological issue with the expression, Jazirat-ul-Arab, which in Arabic means “Arabian Peninsula” and corresponds to the present-day Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and its neighboring Arab countries on the western shores of the Persian Gulf, including Yemen. Strictly speaking, this does not include Iraq, let alone the Persian state of Iran. However, during the Khilafat phase, this expression was used by the Indian Muslims as well by Gandhi to denote a much wider area.”
https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/mono/10.4324/9781003080299-6/palestine-jazirat-ul-arab-kumaraswamy
“Khilafat movement, pan-Islamic force in India that arose in 1919 in an effort to salvage the Ottoman caliph as a symbol of unity among the Muslim community in India during the British raj.Dec 5, 2023”
Brittanica
“Muslim League
Indian Muslim group
Also known as: All India Muslim League
Written and fact-checked by
Last Updated: Dec 8, 2023 • Article History
Category: History & Society
Original name: All India Muslim League
Date: 1906 – present
Areas Of Involvement: Islam government
Related People: Aga Khan III Mohammed Ali Jinnah Sir Muhammad Zafrulla Khan Chaudhri Mohammad Ali Liaquat Ali Khan
Muslim League, political group that led the movement calling for a separate Muslim nation to be created at the time of the partition of British India (1947). The Muslim League was founded in 1906 to safeguard the rights of Indian Muslims. At first the league was encouraged by the British and was generally favourable to their rule, but the organization adopted self-government for India as its goal in 1913. For several decades the league and its leaders, notably Mohammed Ali Jinnah, called for Hindu-Muslim unity in a united and independent India. It was not until 1940 that the league called for the formation of a Muslim state that would be separate from the projected independent country of India. The league wanted a separate nation for India’s Muslims because it feared that an independent India would be dominated by Hindus.
Jinnah and the Muslim League led the struggle for the partition of British India into separate Hindu and Muslim states, and after the formation of Pakistan in 1947 the league became Pakistan’s dominant political party. In that year it was renamed the All Pakistan Muslim League. But the league functioned less effectively as a modern political party in Pakistan than it had as a mass-based pressure group in British India, and hence it gradually declined in popularity and cohesion. In the elections of 1954 the Muslim League lost power in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh), and the party lost power in West Pakistan (now Pakistan) soon afterward. By the late 1960s the party had split into various factions, and by the 1970s it had disappeared altogether.”
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Muslim-League
How ironic.
comment in moderation.
So what? It’s all about how India benefits from Israel but how does Israel benefit from India and when will India stop voting with Israel’s enemies in the UN? And India also trades with Iran and only one month after October 7, as well, declared, in Iran, it’s commitment to the “Palestinian” cause (which is absolutely crazy since India has it’s own Jihadist problem internally and on its border with nuclear armed terrorist supporting Pakistan but I think this goes even further back to Ghandi, even though Ghandi wound up being hoist by his own petard in his craven attempts at appeasement.)
“India votes in favour of UN resolution that condemns Israeli settlement activities in ‘Occupied Palestinian Territory’
Israel, United States and Canada were among the countries that voted against the resolution that condemns Israeli settlement activities in ‘Occupied Palestinian Territory’
November 12, 2023 06:50 pm | Updated November 13, 2023 11:43 am IST – United Nations”
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-votes-in-favour-of-resolution-that-condemns-israeli-settlement-activities-in-occupied-palestinian-territory/article67527409.ece
“Iran, India committed to strengthening relations
Politics
November 27, 2023 – 22:46”
https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/491895/Iran-India-committed-to-strengthening-relations
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“Notes in Young India by Ghandi, April 6, 1921”
“Do the Muslims claim Palestine, or will they restore it to the Jews who are the original owners?”
“The Muslims claim Palestine as an integral part of Jazirat-ul-Arab. They are bound to retain its custody, as an injunction of the Prophet. But that does not mean that the Jews and the Christians cannot freely go to Palestine, or even reside there and own property. What non-Muslims cannot do is to acquire sovereign jurisdiction. The Jews cannot receive sovereign rights in a place which has been held for centuries by Muslim powers by right of religious conquest. The Muslim soldiers did not shed their blood in the late War for the purpose of surrendering Palestine out of Muslim control. I would like my Jewish friends to impartially consider the position of the seventy million Muslims of India. As a free nation, can they tolerate what they must regard as a treacherous disposal of their sacred possession?”
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/notes-in-young-india-by-gandhi-april-1921
“By right of religious conquest” Thus, Ghandi the “Pacifist.” 😀
I remember feeling really upset when I read some years ago that a Jewish community center in Yesha was named after this schmuck.
It gets even better. 2 weeks after Kristallnacht:
“…Can the Jews resist this organised and shameless persecution? Is there a way to preserve their self-respect, and not to feel helpless, neglected and forlorn? I submit there is. No person who has faith in a living God need feel helpless or forlorn. Jehovah of the Jews is a God more personal than the God of the Christians, the Mussalmans or the Hindus, though as a matter of fact in essence, He is common to all and one without a second and beyond description. But as the Jews attribute personality to God and believe that He rules every action of theirs, they ought not to feel helpless.
‘If I were a Jew and were born in Germany and earned my livelihood there, I would claim Germany as my home even as the tallest gentile German may, and challenge him to shoot me or cast me in the dungeon; I would refuse to be expelled or to submit to discriminating treatment. And for doing this, I should not wait for the fellow Jews to join me in civil resistance but would have confidence that in the end the rest are bound to follow my example.
‘If one Jew or all the Jews were to accept the prescription here offered, he or they cannot be worse off than now. And suffering voluntarily undergone will bring them an inner strength and joy which no number of resolutions of sympathy passed in the world outside Germany can. Indeed, even if Britain, France and America were to declare hostilities against Germany, they can bring no inner joy, no inner strength.
‘The calculated violence of Hitler may even result in a general massacre of the Jews by way of his first answer to the declaration of such hostilities. But if the Jewish mind could be prepared for voluntary suffering, even the massacre I have imagined could be turned into a day of thanksgiving and joy that Jehovah had wrought deliverance of the race even at the hands of the tyrant. For to the godfearing, death has no terror. It is a joyful sleep to be followed by a waking that would be all the more refreshing for the long sleep.
‘It is hardly necessary for me to point out that it is easier for the Jews than for the Czechs to follow my prescription…”
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/lsquo-the-jews-rsquo-by-gandhi