Almagor campaign to call for “a return to the spirit of Yoni Netanyahu,” commander of Entebbe raid.
By Gil Ronen, INN
Its conclusions have not yet been made public because the committee met after the Shalit abduction and did not want to influence activity that might have already begun to free him.
The group also announced plans for a new campaign calling for a return to the spirit of Yoni Netanyahu, brother of the prime minister. Yoni was commander of the Sayeret Matkal elite IDF commando unit and was killed in the raid that freed the hostages of an Air France flight forced to land in Entebbe, Uganda, in 1976. At the time, Israel refused the demands of the terrorists to free prisoners in exchange for the hostages.
The slogan will be “Let us return to the spirit of Yoni Netanyahu! – We will not let Bibi destroy the spirit his brother led.”
“We will not let Bibi [Netanyahu] and Barak continue to hide from the public the principles set by the Shamgar Committee even if they are contrary to the way they chose to act. Otherwise we will turn to the High Court,” warned Almagor chairman Meir Indor. “There are already MKs who are in favor of turning the Committee’s recommendations into law,” he added.
Another of Almagor’s planned campaigns will demand a death sentence for terrorists.
Channel 2 TV reported over the holiday that the Shamgar Committee called for tough guidelines that would limit the freedom of governments to use their own judgment in future negotiations over abducted citizens.
The members of the committee are to meet next week with the officials who negotiated Glad Shalit’s release. They will question the negotiating team, which was led by David Meidan, and receive their recommendations and conclusions.
Limitations.
How nice for you.
But as I said, [equilibrating, and administering, “measure for measure”] is HASHEM’s province, not yours
— unless you’re still bucking for His job (of course, He’s known to frown on that kind of ambition in one His creations. . . .).
But did he explicitly use the word [or synonym for] “courageous” in relation to himself? — that’s important.
I told you: everything before “He wanted the job” — AND — everything after “If we had no prisoners there would have been no motivation to kidnap [Shalit] in the first place” fits into one of those two categories.
For example [among others], all that stuff about what’s “fair game” because somebody else has used it first — is irrelevant. Some things are wrong as a matter of principle, irrespective of whether they’ve already been introduced (or by whom).
“What ever works,” as a guideline — is reprehensible.
A man who accepts no limitations on himself is UNCIRCUMCISED in his consciouness.
“Unless we show ourselves to be as ruthless as our enemies we will always be at their mercy. . . and they have none” — I don’t think you’ve thought this one thru. It’s clear that we have yet to see what our enemies are capable of, in terms of how much lower they will YET go — and if we use your dictum as a rule-of-thumb, we’re likely to face a continually degenerating situation where both we and they find ourselves outdoing eachother in grotesquerie. There’s no bottom to that, and no end to it . . . .
Nu, and He TOLD you this personally, Yahnkel, over a nice breakfast of bagels & lox?
— You must tell me how you persuaded Him to see things your way
especially since He kept Moses out of the Promised Land, for what amounts to pretty much the same thing in the way of substituted judgment. . . .
Quite so, but I thought that you disclaimed, “as a Jew,” any possibility of being “perfect” — or of God’s expecting it of you.
— So, all along, you were just holding out for the best deal, were you? (Clever boy.)
So He retired after all? — and named you His successor?
Mazal Tov! — the family will be so proud.
I do speak only for myself. So should you.
That’s WHY I said [above], “You don’t (and can’t) know what he [i.e., BB, specifically] went thru any more than I do.”
I assumed nothing of the sort — so stow that arrogant, judgmental tone; it’s affecting your perspective.
You’re hardly the ONLY party here to have “experienced traumatic personal losses, or [who’s] close to others who have” . . . .
I just don’t wear it like a badge
— or wield it like a club.
“A man needs to know his. . . . Limitations.”
What did you find specifically irrelevant or reprehensible?
The quote heard from BB’s own mouth in Hebrew when he tried to explain how difficult but correct his decision was. He held his actions up to show what he considers a real leader does. I am paraphrasing him and it’s not a direct quote. Learn Hebrew and check IBA archives or YouTube.
dweller learn to speak only for yourself. That might shorten your extended pompous diatribes to a word or two. You assumed that Shy or anyone else, like me,have not experienced traumatic personal losses or are close to others who have. This is especially true with regards to Israelis.
[W]hatever BB does to hurt us will be turned against himself personally. If not by HaShem then by us.
It’s the same and it’s not coincidence.
Can’t argue with the truth.
I already have the job.
From the first statement above to the second one above — and everything in between — I see little to disagree with.
The rest is either irrelevant or reprehensible.
I must confess to some curiosity about one thing though:
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When has he said THAT about himself?
— could you find me a cite?
Yes. I agree with you in each of those particulars. Never did disagree with ANY of that.
I’m confused by your use of the term, Yamit. But then, I never use it, so I may have forgotten what it was supposed to mean. Perhaps you could remind me: What was the “H” supposed to stand for?
I guess that makes your judgment superior to that of HaShem? (unless of course He decides to agree with you? — but then, of course, if He did agree, it would be strictly a matter of coincidence, wouldn’t it?)
In fact, what a pity it is that HaShem’s job is already taken; I’m SURE you’d be so right for the gig
— the word, “perfect,” comes readily to mind.
Be sure to keep checking Craig’s List & the Classifieds. One never knows when the opening might develop. . . .
If your question was not strictly rhetorical, the short answer is,
— Yes I do know.
Do you know what all of those families went through?
My wife and I know quite a few of them.
Bibi’s feeling? Frankly, Dweller, I don’t give a damn.
I care what he went through no more than he cares what others have gone through and will go through because of his decisions and policies.
I do believe in Mida K’Neged Mida.. In this case whatever BB does to hurt us will be turned against himself personally. If not by HaShem then by us.
BB did what he believed was popular not what was right.
That is not leadership but populism and leading from the rear. A real leader would have led and convinced the people he was doing the right thing.
BB is IMHO nothing more than *&*&%%!!!!!
Obama used used race to get elected and over 95% of Blacks who voted,… voted blindly for Obama, first because he was black and secondly because he was running on a Democrat ticket. Therefore I consider using race against Obama as fair and not bigotry. BB has used Yoni on many occasions to beef up his own credentials with the Israeli public. No-one can know for sure what Yoni or anyone would do in any given hypothetical situation but based on what we do know it is possible to draw assumptions.
Therefore I see nothing wrong with using Yoni or any other means to goad him. What ever works. BB doesn’t care who he hurts, insults or misuses for personal gain and self gratification why should any of us be concerned with his personal sensitivities and sensibilities? He wanted the job and was not drafted or grafted into it. Gilad Shalit was a kidnapped soldier who was abducted deliberately for the purpose of blackmailing the Israeli government into freeing Arab murderers from our prisons. BB is neither a courageous leader nor a redeemer of a Jewish captive. Any former government could have achieved Shalit’s freedom by capitulating to blackmail from the very time he was abducted. They understood that to do so would be to reward blackmail and encourage further such kidnapping, not to mention proving that it is possible to literally get away with murder in Israel!
Once again BB has demonstrated not only a lack of vision and leadership, but a total unwillingness to accept the reality that his country is in a state of war with our alleged peace partners. How is it possible to win a war if you refuse to recognize it? By refusing to recognize the war, our leaders have condemned us to an unending state of needless terror and suffering. And by turning loose over 1000 convicted murderers, many serving multiple life sentences, they have handed a stunning victory to our enemies who are now further convinced both of the justice of their cause, and of their eventual success in destroying their enemy Israel.
Shalit was kidnapped in order to release prisoners. If we had no prisoners there would have been no motivation to kidnap him in the first place. Having a law in Israel that any Arab convicted of even attempting to harm a Jew be given a mandatory death sentence would avoid such problems in the future, and discourage further acts of terror. Instead we have just guaranteed more such problems, and strongly encouraged future acts of terror.
BB calls himself a courageous leader. G-d save us from such leaders.
Unless we show ourselves to be as ruthless as our enemies we will always be at their mercy. . . and they have none.
Come on Shy, you don’t know what he went thru any more than I do.
Maybe so, but that old expression isn’t a counsel of advocacy — only an observation of life’s realities.
Why not? The anguish just caused to the 1000s of members of terror victim families wasn’t worth a whimper from Netanyahu.
What goes around…
I wholly support the Almagor campaign to publish the Shamgar Committe’s findings, and to establish Capital Punishment for terrorists.
But I could never endorse the use of the name of Yoni as a goad on the PM.
To speak of “returning to the spirit of” is one thing; no harm there, in principle.
But the anguish of the loss of his brother should not be revisited on BB, or used as a tool against him.
Judaism – The secret to Jewish success (1 of 2) Long Version
Judaism – The Secret to Jewish Success (2 of 2) Long Version
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Rational Approach To Divine Origin of Judaism
A Rational Approach to the Divinity of the Oral Tradition
2nd part of my reply is in moderation. The first part will make more sense when we have the 2nd part.
Here is the 3rd part of my response:
Rabbis emphasized humility for a reason: stiff-necked Jews could be extinguished. Given the weakness of Jews compared to the imperial powers and the host nations of the Diaspora, it seemed to make sense to accept humiliations in order to survive, rather than be killed outright in unequal struggles. Rabbis tried to make Jews nice, to make us “more pious than G-d.” Guess what, Jews are not nice. From those who fought under Abraham to those who robbed the Egyptians to those who knocked down the towns of Canaan to Dir Yassin—the Jews are anything but nice. Jews must serve G-d and their moral principles zealously, and how could humble people be zealous? Zeal is about certainty of one’s right and willingness to establish that right in the Land of Israel.
Modern rabbis have made Judaism into a copycat of Christianity by declaring “love your neighbor” to be the major commandment. It is only a technical commandment which bans inequality of aliens in the court of law. The major thing in Judaism is simply… Judaism. The Jews who oppose Judaism should be frowned at and expelled rather than loved.
Strength inhibits assimilation. For American Jews, in the 1967 war “we won,” but in the peace process “they are giving the land away.” The Diaspora identifies with strong Israel, and dissociates from the weak.
The major difference between Judaism and Christianity is the concept of Universality. Who should we love, who is our fellow or neighbor to be loved? What is the Jewish identity if our first identification is with humanity? On the contrary, the identification goes from the strongest to the weakest—family, nation, Jewish population of the Land of Israel, civilization, then humanity. The last identification is all-inclusive and therefore meaningless: identification is only possible on the background of opposites. Why be Jewish if Jews are humans like any others? Their rich traditions don’t make French or Italians to refrain from marrying others or assimilating into other cultures. Why go to the Jewish temple if it is a house of worship on par with that of any other religion? Why be loyal to Judaism if it is a religion like any other? Judaism hinges on a single question: Did G-d reveal himself on Mount Sinai?
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Throughout the Bible God speaks to the nation and about the nation.
The individual (king, prophet, etc) is important in so far as they form part of the nation and are connected to it.
They occupy their positions for the sake of the Hebrew people.
There is a collective responsibility.
The Community was obliged to enforce the Keeping of the Sabbath.
One could be put to death for desecrating the Sabbath!
[Exodus 31:15] SIX DAYS MAY WORK BE DONE; BUT IN THE SEVENTH IS THE SABBATH OF REST, HOLY TO THE LORD: WHOSOEVER DOETH ANY WORK IN THE SABBATH DAY, HE SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH.
But what exactly would constitute Sabbath desecration?
Look in the Bible. It is not so clear.
It must however have been clear to someone.
The Almighty would NOT have given us commandments if HE did not expect us to keep them.
Judges and Sages Commanded to Interpret the Bible
Moses was commanded to appoint seventy elders to help him rule over the people (Numbers 11:16).
There also existed a hierarchy of local judges over tens, hundreds, and thousands (Exodus 18:21).
Any case too difficult at one level would be passed on upwards (Exodus 18:26).
As in any legal system over time a body of precedents and legal principles developed telling in detail how the Commandments were to be put into practice.
[In point of fact most of the Rabbinical injunctions are hinted at in the written Scriptures according to grammatical niceties and quirks of the Hebrew Language. A good portion of the Talmud is dedicated to clarifying the Law according to what the Biblical verses indicate.
Even if this was not so however we would still be obliged to do as the Rabbis say.]
In case of doubt the Israelites were commanded to go to the authorities and Sages that would exist in their time.
[Deuteronomy 17:8] IF THERE ARISE A MATTER TOO HARD FOR THEE IN JUDGMENT, BETWEEN BLOOD AND BLOOD, BETWEEN PLEA AND PLEA, AND BETWEEN STROKE AND STROKE, BEING MATTERS OF CONTROVERSY WITHIN THY GATES: THEN SHALT THOU ARISE, AND GET THEE UP INTO THE PLACE WHICH THE LORD THY GOD SHALL CHOOSE;
In case of doubt concerning any matter of the Law and its practical implications one had to make an effort (“ARISE”) and go to the recognized authority that existed.
[Deuteronomy 17:9] AND THOU SHALT COME UNTO THE PRIESTS THE LEVITES, AND UNTO THE JUDGE THAT SHALL BE IN THOSE DAYS, AND ENQUIRE; AND THEY SHALL SHEW THEE THE SENTENCE OF JUDGMENT:
The Priests, Levites, and/or simple Israelite Judge, whoever was in charge at the time, would make the decision usually after consultation with the others and in accordance with accepted tradition and well know laws of logical deduction applied to Biblical verses and derived from them. This was the foundation of what later became the Talmud.
[Deuteronomy 17:10] AND THOU SHALT DO ACCORDING TO THE SENTENCE, WHICH THEY OF THAT PLACE WHICH THE LORD SHALL CHOOSE SHALL SHEW THEE; AND THOU SHALT OBSERVE TO DO ACCORDING TO ALL THAT THEY INFORM THEE:
[Deuteronomy 17:11] ACCORDING TO THE SENTENCE OF THE LAW WHICH THEY SHALL TEACH THEE, AND ACCORDING TO THE JUDGMENT WHICH THEY SHALL TELL THEE, THOU SHALT DO: THOU SHALT NOT DECLINE FROM THE SENTENCE WHICH THEY SHALL SHEW THEE, TO THE RIGHT HAND, NOR TO THE LEFT.
Even if one went to the Sages to decide how a commandment should be carried out and did not agree with what the Sages said you still had to obey them. This was the commandment.
[Deuteronomy 17:12] AND THE MAN THAT WILL DO PRESUMPTUOUSLY, AND WILL NOT HEARKEN UNTO THE PRIEST THAT STANDETH TO MINISTER THERE BEFORE THE LORD THY GOD, OR UNTO THE JUDGE, EVEN THAT MAN SHALL DIE: AND THOU SHALT PUT AWAY THE EVIL FROM ISRAEL.
[Deuteronomy 17:13] AND ALL THE PEOPLE SHALL HEAR, AND FEAR, AND DO NO MORE PRESUMPTUOUSLY.
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I never said Christians followed or obeyed their scriptures I just said that they exist as I quoted the rest re: to interpretation is,Turn the other cheek? The meek shall inherit the earth?
Re:
Joshua was commanded:
[Joshua 1:8]THIS BOOK OF THE LAW SHALL NOT DEPART OUT OF THY MOUTH; BUT THOU SHALT MEDITATE THEREIN DAY AND NIGHT, THAT THOU MAYEST OBSERVE TO DO ACCORDING TO ALL THAT IS WRITTEN THEREIN: FOR THEN THOU SHALT MAKE THY WAY PROSPEROUS, AND THEN THOU SHALT HAVE GOOD SUCCESS.
Adding to the commandments would appear to be contrary to a written injunction which says:
Deut. 4:2 says “You shall not add unto the word that I command you, neither shall you diminish from it, that you may keep the commandments of God that I command you.”
Deut. 12:32 says, “What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: you shall not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
In reply we would, in general terms, say that the Oral Law is not so much an adding to the Commandments but rather an explaining of how existing Commandments must be kept.
The Rabbis have never really added any commandment. They have made enactments based on the Commandments.
The Community of Israel accepted an obligation to enforce the SAME Law on all members of the Community!
[Deuteronomy 29:29] THE SECRET THINGS BELONG UNTO THE LORD OUR GOD: BUT THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE REVEALED BELONG UNTO US AND TO OUR CHILDREN FOR EVER, THAT WE MAY DO ALL THE WORDS OF THIS LAW.
The Torah was given to the whole of Israel as a group and they were commanded to be mutually responsible for each other in keeping it.
From a common sense point of view if the Almighty said something it had a specific meaning.
The Torah was given to the whole community to be kept by all members of that community.
It is not logical that one person should keep Pesach on one day and someone else on another, that one person eats kosher meat and another something else, that one person considers intercourse with certain women permitted and another forbids it.
This sort of behavior may be OK in a democratic secular society where everyone has different religions.
Originally however the Torah was given to the Israelites as one whole.
The religion created the nation, obligated every member of that nation, and if anyone publicly transgressed the commandments they were to be punished by the community.
[Deuteronomy 29:9] KEEP THEREFORE THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT, AND DO THEM, THAT YE MAY PROSPER IN ALL THAT YE DO.
[Deuteronomy 29:10] YE STAND THIS DAY ALL OF YOU BEFORE THE LORD YOUR GOD; YOUR CAPTAINS OF YOUR TRIBES, YOUR ELDERS, AND YOUR OFFICERS, WITH ALL THE MEN OF ISRAEL,
[Deuteronomy 29:11] YOUR LITTLE ONES, YOUR WIVES, AND THY STRANGER THAT IS IN THY CAMP, FROM THE HEWER OF THY WOOD UNTO THE DRAWER OF THY WATER:
[Deuteronomy 29:12] THAT THOU SHOULDEST ENTER INTO COVENANT WITH THE LORD THY GOD, AND INTO HIS OATH, WHICH THE LORD THY GOD MAKETH WITH THEE THIS DAY:
[Deuteronomy 29:13] THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THEE TO DAY FOR A PEOPLE UNTO HIMSELF, AND THAT HE MAY BE UNTO THEE A GOD, AS HE HATH SAID UNTO THEE, AND AS HE HATH SWORN UNTO THY FATHERS, TO ABRAHAM, TO ISAAC, AND TO JACOB.
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Death penalty for treason? Would that include the members of J-street and a buncha left wing profs? Seems like Israel’s worst enemies are quickly becoming her own citizens.
When one starts to quote various parts of the Old testament to support one’s theses one must be careful to understand the underlying situations for the statements. The vast majority of the quotations are meant to be PERSONAL moral decisions. They are meant to regulate how we ought behave towards our family, our neighbors, other individuals in general. These admonitions are not meant to regulate how the NATION OF ISRAEL ought behave towards enemies of the state. State moral behavior while it may be roughly equivalent to individual behavior still lies on a different plane. The consequences of a single individuals moral action usually relates to another single or small group of other individuals. The consequences of a STATE’S “moral” action bears on an entire population. These consequences cannot be considered equivalent morally or realistically.
Israel MUST INSTITUTE THE DEATH PENALTY FOR TERRORISM. A terrorist, by definition, has through his actions put himself outside the usual moral constraints of civilized society and does not deserve the same privileges that that same society reserves for it’s own citizens.
If Israel does not insitiute the death penalty the as surevas I am writing these words, another law will quickly take precedence — the Law of Unintended Conequences. Why should soldiers in the field risk their lives to take prisoners if those prisoners will be ultimately released to kill again. Soldiers will instead either kill those “prisoners” on the field of battle or will not put themselves needlessly in danger by taking dangerous but necessary actions.
Hi, Yamit. I had too much coffee, so I’m up early. You sort of dropped the gauntlet on me and demanded that I spar with you on this one.
Turn the other cheek? The meek shall inherit the earth?
Those are sayings in the Christian “New Testament” — which, if one looks objectively at the matter, the Jewish world seems to have adopted more than the Christian world. All the while, of course, the Jews and Christians both have been maintaining that they are very different from each other, etc. To briefly hit upon some differences,
1. The Jewish view: “Yes, Torah commands the death penalty; but a beit din that sentences more than one person a year to death, is a murdering beit din.” You may correct me at will, because this is an obvious paraphrase.
Who made those rabbis God Almighty, that they should play games with Torah like this? Torah says to kill murderers, and rather swiftly at that. I don’t even need to mention the fact that God clearly commanded the Jews to commit genocide against the inhabitants of Israel, upon entering the land. Why? They did abominable things, for which God wanted to punish them; and He was calling upon His people to execute that judgment.
Honest-to-God, that’s in the Torah, which the Jews claim to be “their” Bible; but it doesn’t sound at all like the namby-pamby religion the world knows as “Judaism”. Nevertheless, the Jewish people HAVE committed genocide: The Maccabees wiped out whole Goy communities; and during the Galut Revolt in Trajan’s time, Jews slaughtered Greeks by the hundreds of thousands.
2. The Christian view: Jesus and the New Testament are right, and Torah is, let us say, “old-fashioned”. They have “Gentle Jesus”, who says, “Father, forgive them”, as the Jewish mob incites the Roman crucifiers to more and more cruelty.
Christians are commanded to “turn the other cheek”, when PERSONALLY offended (This says nothing about capital punishment, which is a community responsibility). It’s in their Bible — They don’t need sanctimonious rabbis to invent a new doctrine; but they have a long history of executing one another in the name of justice, even of genocide against others and against one another.
The bottom line, Christians and Jews read from the same TaNaKh, yet think they’re so different from each other! The Christians have added the New Testament, which tells them to turn the other cheek when offended, and the Jews have added a library full of rabbinical opinions which tell them that it’s murder to execute murderers. In reality, though, both groups behave pretty much the same as each other: They kill this person, and don’t kill that one, according to the skewed ethics of the situation; and meanwhile they make holy-sounding pronouncements about the utopian world that their particular sect is supposed to stand for.
“The meek shall inherit the earth”?
What can I say? It’s true! Just count how many lions there are in the world, and compare that with how many sheep there are. In Australia, there were once ten sheep for every person, and only a handful of lions caged up in zoos. God provides stronger opponents to everyone who thinks he’s “The Greatest”. Even Cassius Clay aka Muhammed Ali has been bested by Parkinson’s Syndrome, which his punch-drunk opponents gave him in the ring. It’s taken years, but he’s been TKO’d. Hitler is dead, along with Mussolini, Qadaffi and Sadaam Hussein. Real “tough guys”, all of them; but they’re all off the scene through brutal, humiliating deaths, and have been replaced by a sea of effeminate, corrupt politicians.
The parable has nothing to do with capital punishment. It’s just a true saying, like the other parables, such as those in the Hebrew Bible entitled “The Preacher” (Ecclesiastes — and here, you Jews thought it was the Christians who went around preaching).
Cheers, and kol tuv.
If there is a silver lining in this disastrous decision, it is the death penalty for terrorists!
What would Yoni have thought about this deal?
What about turning the other cheek? and the one about the meek shall inherit….?
The Jewish Tanach says many things and can support many different positions.
“you shall not harden your heart” (Deuteronomy 15:7); “you shall not stand idly by the blood of your brother” (Leviticus 19:16); and “you shall love your neighbor as yourself” (Leviticus 19:18).
Blandoatmeal be blowed.
Who said:
“I don’t need luck. I eat nuts.”
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“You said it yourself, Jormungand! The trouble with godhood is that it robs you of your finer judgment! And that is why we will never be the same. You are a mighty fighter, but in the end, you are only a selfish creature while heroes…heroes have an infinite capacity for stupidity! Thus are legends born! ”
“They sing no songs in Hel, nor do they celebrate heroes, for silent is that dismal realm, and cheerless. But the story of Gjallerbru and the god who defended it is whispered across the nine worlds, and when a new arrival asks about the one to whom even Hela bows her head, the answer is always the same: He stood alone at Gjallerbru… and that is answer enough.”
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“Surrender? SURRENDER? You think this letter on my head stands for France?”
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“Aren’t you supposed to be dead?”
“I got better!”
If the Jewish people would actually accept the Bible, they wouldn’t have such qualms about such a common-sense matter. Torah commands death for murderers, end of story. Rabbis be blowed.
Israel needs a Victims’ Rights Law to make sure victims families are not an afterthought in official decision-making. Their suffering and rights should always receive utmost respect from the government, the courts and society even if they’re not always popular.
Israel needs to adopt a policy to summarily execute terrorists instead of capturing them alive. This will save a lot of lives. No dead terrorist ever harmed a living person.
The death penalty should be made mandatory for murder, kidnapping and treason. Those are the three gravest offenses in any civilized country and such persons should be permanently incapacitated and not released.
A society that treats its least powerful people with dignity, respect and compassion is a just society, one in which people can take pride. Israel revealed itself to be the opposite in the way it dismissed those people for a very questionable objective.
In short, steps must be taken so what happened never happens again in Israel.
It’s about time, hopefully their campaign will be as effective as the campaign to release Gilad Shalit was.