By Ted Belman
Israel could learn a thing or two from General al Sisi of Egypt. He recognizes that the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas are a threat to his regime because they resort to violent protests and terror. Accordingly he banned the Muslim brotherhood and arrested many of its leadership. He recognizes that they are at war with him and responds accordingly by taking the fight to them.
It is high time the Israel recognized that the PLO, Fatah and Hamas are also a threat to Israel because they likewise resort to violence and terror. Naftali Bennett declared that Israel is preparing to charge Abbas with war crimes which include honouring and praising terrorists and inciting to violence.
Israel should waste no time in banning the PLO, Fatah and Hamas and deport anyone who is a member of such organizations. The best place to deport them to is Gaza by helicopter in the dead of the night. Considering their Charters and their incitement and their embrace of “resistance” banning them is entirely appropriate. We don’t have to assassinate them, just deport them.
Israel should change its policy to one of zero tolerance for Arab “resistance”. It is suicidal to accept the “resistance” and the “incitement” as normal or acceptable. Israel should revoke licensing for Arab radio and television should they persists in inciting their masses.
Similarly Israel should show zero tolerance for its own traitors. Steven Plaut in Israel Left Pursues the Treason Vote, points out:
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For years, the Israeli government has made social security and other social welfare payments to convicted Arab terrorists and murderers. If an Arab entitled to unemployment insurance, welfare payments, pensions, or other “social” compensation happens to engage in terrorism and happens to be imprisoned, he and his family continue to receive the welfare payments. If the terrorist dies, his dependents collect survivor benefits. Terrorists disabled while planting bombs or attacking Jews can collect disability insurance stipends.
MK David Rotem made an attempt to cut these payments in half not because he didn’t want them to be cut entirely but because the Knesset would never go for it. This mentality needs to change.
In a subsequent article Steven Plaut urged that Israel treat its radical left, who support the deligitimation of Israel, as traitors just as America did to its traitors in the Civil War.
bernard ross Said:
I said a honest disagreement.
honeybee Said:
For example??????
Most leftist positions involve propagating lies and libels in support of their postion. I do not call that honest disagreement. Their position is an existential danger to other Jews because the prime cause of current anti semitism and anti zionism is due to Jews taking those positions. Let them have their position but they should no longer be called jews. Jstreet is chock full of fake Jews who get public traction by pretending to be real Jews. Same with the ultra orthodox like the naturei karta and satmar. Their so called “disagreement” is instead a vicious attack on the rest of jewry in order to preserve their status. Libels have always preceded pogroms and Jewish slaughter. Any complicity in a libel against the jews or Israel, whether intentional or not, renders the liar in the de-facto position of being an inciter to pogrom, murder and genocide. I will not water down my view of such persons, they are the most despicable and they appear every day on internet forums. Rachel corrie and her family were inciters to genocide by their very actions and statements. Because of such people jews die while many remain unpunished. Being a jew with such behavior is a kapo. it starts with lies and intention is no excuse.
yamit82 Said:
thisis an old poll and means little as most Israelis would not annex ALL of west bank. I see no circumstance where it is incumbent on Israel to grant citizenship due to annexation. temporary residence to foreigners is their best hope. Pals want anything they get free of jews so: quid pro quo obtains. However, this all means nothing as the jews WILL NOT annex all of YS and transfer the arabs.
Once that is realized the current options reduce.
yamit82 Said:
Misleading as he wants to transfer the Jewish land with the pals. I see no reason to give jewish land away simply becuase others are currently there. The same for citizenship to jew killing enemies.
bernard ross Said:
Is there no place for an honest disagreement??????????
@ bernard ross:
Survey: Most Israeli Jews wouldn’t give Palestinians vote if West Bank was annexed
Survey, conducted by Dialog on the eve of Rosh Hashanah, exposes anti-Arab, ultra-nationalist views espoused by a majority of Israeli Jews.
Why is Foreign Min. drafting legal opinions about transfer of Israeli Arabs as part of peace deal?
yamit82 Said:
Close: sarcastic, consider the recipient. They can fund it if they want or not, I dont care. If their economy sucks and there are other opportunities, they will leave or continue to suffer or die by being terrorists. In any case the result is the same for Israel: dealing with the pal gang only less of them as time proceeds.
yamit82 Said:
I made it clear that I am for Kahanes approach but also see other avenues to the same result. Khanes way to the same goal is not the only way and appears to be a way that Israelis will not choose. If Israel does not have the will to impose solutions of transfer then other ways of accomplishing the same goal are available. The alternative I mentioned is another possible scenario which involves encouraging emigration through a combination of a bad local economy coupled with an economic magnet that will accept pals. by annexing C and slowly draining the swamp using the bad economy and magnet approach the annexation of A+ becomes more accessible over the long term as long as Israeli sovereignty over A remains. also, although I am not for a jordan pal condfed the possibility exists that Israel is moving that way under the table. I am not for the confed because it would cloud Israeli sovereignty over A and obstruct future annexation. better to keep the status quo of occupation in A+ until the swamp is drained and then extend sovereignty there. This is a step by step road to annex the whole thing. However, what I want does not obstruct my ability to analyze the possible scenarios that may emerge.yamit82 Said:
It doesn’t matter if it works, what matters is if the GCC buy it and invest their money into it in long term capital projects that attract pals to work there. This scenario is not impossible and I have even read that in the “peace proposals the GCC are willing to accept many pal refugees(probably to replace the other foreigners working there that they expelled) Looking at it, for the arab world it is better to have the global money spent in one place in Jordan than having the pals plague their countries forever as potential 5th columnists, which they have done already. The only problem would be selling it to Jordan. Jordan has been absorbing over a hundred thousand refugees in a short time without much planning because they have money coming in for that purpose. This can be a long term cash cow for Jordan and the monarchy when one adds up the global money spent towards the pals and the conflict. If the pal absorption into Jordan is managed over decades it can be done. It all depends on whether the GCC would take the path and Jordan would take the payment. An alternate, or simultaneous magnet, can be Gaza and Qatar is involved there.
yamit82 Said:
NOt neccessarily if agreed and managed properly over a long period of time, even under the table with the usual accompanying BS macho rhetoric. If it does turn into a terror state then it is better to have them there outside than inside Israel. After all, Israel is already surrounded by the same scenario but has the added problem of the 5th column termites. The movement of the pals to anywhere outside Israel is better than their current residence inside Israel. Furthermore, once outside the foreigners EU/UN would be more likely to fund their permanent resettlement because not funding them will be a threat to any nation they reside within. Better they are an internal threat elsewhere than in Israel.
yamit82 Said:
I thought this was what you wanted?
yamit82 Said:
I agree, but those steps will reflect the reality of the will of the Israeli population. It is futile to clamor for an end situation that the Israelis will not buy no matter how much we agree on this. The success of any path is fully dependent on its purchase and acceptance by the Israeli people. Therefore, a series of smaller steps which lead in the end to annexation without most pals and no citizenship for them. That is the goal but the obstruction is never what can be realized in terms of the real problems in terms of transfer and foreign sanctions but rather with the real problem in terms of Israeli perceptions of the real dangers. Smaller steps which do not obstruct the overall goal couple with Israeli re-education most likely through privately funded channels(E.G.get adelson to fund 100 mill to shurat ha din instead of romney).
The smaller steps must incorporate realistic outcomes that can be achieved:
annex C+ now,
leave A+ to future annexation after the population is transferred or emigrated,
transfer forcibly by deportation the PLO, militias under breach of Oslo that allowed them into Israel……
deport forcibly those belonging to or supporting sabotage of israel or riot, etc……
encourage emigration through bad economy, foreign financial incentives, Israel purchases of property of emigrators…
encourage emigration through the creation of economic magnets that allow pal immigration through overt or covert agreements with GCC and Jordan.
I believe in absorbing reality and if I cant get my goals immediately then find a way to get them over time. If you can convince the mass of Israelis that transfer is legal, moral and practical, as I believe it is then it can be accomplished quicker but there will be no war to drive them out or anything else until Israelis shift their perceptions towards transfer. In lieu of such an immediate shift in Israeli perception a piece meal approach might still work which takes final goals into consideration. More important than our beliefs is what are the likely scenarios that might evolve from the current situation and that depends on what the current situation really is
Furthermore, I would not be surprised that there is already a plan agreed with the GCC but using a pal jordan relationship like confed or supervision(e.g.the mount)
bernard ross Said:
Are you serious or just being cynical? They don’t even help their christian brothers being persecuted and murdered by the Muslim Arabs.
Kahane did not mean we building up Jordan economically, but by deposing the Heshemites and allowing the Palis to take over. The Arabs and Bedouin have no work ethic and Jordan can never be a successful and viable economic entity as long as it’s run and controlled by Arabs. A Palis State in Jordan will become a terrorist State such as in Gaza and will attack us from there with a much more potent military threat and capability. That will eventually force Israel to invade and kill or drive the Palis further eastward into Jordan this is a scenario for attaining Greater Israel to the Euphrates. One step at a time. The way is not linear but a series of mostly ad hoc micro steps on the part of Israel.
Once Iran gets the bomb they will subvert the Sunni regimes and overthrow the existing GCC regimes and do it with near impunity.
Absolutely correct! Jews who are not for Jews are Kapos and should be treated accordingly.
“Israel should waste no time in banning the PLO, Fatah and Hamas and deport anyone who is a member of such organizations. The best place to deport them to is Gaza by helicopter in the dead of the night. Considering their Charters and their incitement and their embrace of “resistance” banning them is entirely appropriate. We don’t have to assassinate them, just deport them.”
It is my understanding that the PLO was allowed into Israel on the basis of the Oslo agreement. It seems to me that one grand opportunity for the apparently “legal” deportation, of ALL who arrived back AND their descendants, would be the declaration that the dead Oslo terminates the basis of their residency in Israel and they are now summarily to be deported. I believe that this may have included tens of thousands, and perhaps hundreds of thousands, of PLO families. Furthermore, there should be an automatic deportation of any members of terror orgs or supporters plus their families with all their assets seized and put in a fund to compensate Israeli victims. Prior to deporting the PLO a declaration should be issued that ALL past crimes of PLO members will be prosecuted with the reinstatement of the death penalty for terror crimes against Israel or the Jews: most will run before deportation arrives. This will thin out the most violent elements. After that the goal should be the encouragement of the young arabs to emigrate through maintaining a poor economy in the west bank. There are many ways to encourage undesirables to leave over a period of time. Annex C+ now and then later, when most are gone annex A + on a town by town basis. I am sure that many Christian charitable agencies would be happy to provide grants to young pals desiring to leave.
Probably the best long term plan is the establishment of a pal state in jordan as per Kahane plan of “helping” pals get their state there. Another good solution is a long-term plan of creating Jordan as an economic magnet of development to attract and absorb ALL pals over decades not absorbed where they are: a pal Law of return. Abdullah’s pal wife and pal son can authenticate his “royal” authenticity as a pal monarch. This would take lots of money over decades but is a good long-term solution. If Israel and the GCC can agree on this and convince abdullah it can be accomplished, this could only be done covertly to start over decades. The enticement to abdullah would be a ton of investment by GCC and expertise from Israel plus the insurance of his longevity by broadening his support among the pals and can lead to a constitutional monarchy like UK.
There is the “crazy” possibility based on Jordan pal confed that such a situation could already be in the works starting with the faux pal state, then a confed or supervision by Jordan, then an opening of Jordan to pal immigration based on GCC money, and a draining of the west bank swamp into Jordan. A Jordan pal confed allows Abbas and the PLO to save face and their lives by putting security negotiations under the Jordan Israeli treaty through a confed. If the GCC were on Board to real solutions, and it appears that this may have been developing then such a solution could develop, first under the table, over decades. I believe the GCC sees a resolution of the Israel pal conflict as being in their interest and that this paradigm shift has driven much of the last few years including arab spring. Iran AND Turkey hijacked the traditional anti Israel card from the Arabs and proven to be dangerous adversaries as a result.