Sooner or later more Jews will be murdered in Europe

By Ted Belman

Let’s face it, neither France nor Denmark or any other European country can protect the Jews. Sooner or later many more Jews will be murdered.

It’s not enough to beg Jews to stay and promise to protect them.
It’s not enough to post soldiers or police at all their institutions.
It’s not enough to increase police patrols in Jewish neighborhoods.

What is needed is to
• initiate zero tolerance laws for incitement.
• outlaw sharia and enforce the laws of the host country.
• stop immigration until the problems are under control
• require integration
• stop the teaching of Islam in schools
• outlaw any organization that supports jihad

Of course these countries are not prepared to or capable of doing that. Nor are their Muslim residents ready to submit.

Like I said, neither France nor Denmark or any other European country can protect the Jews.

February 16, 2015 | 71 Comments »

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  2. honeybee Said:

    A garbled response at best, surly with you witty talents, you can do better.

    There is no conclusive evidence about what happens to old skeptics, but their future is doubtful. 😛

    OLD JOKES never die, they just get retold by the young

    Old Soldiers never die. Young ones do.

    Old seers never die, they just lose their vision.

    Old owls never die, they just don’t give a hoot.

    OLD MAIDS count on fingers, but young girls count on legs

  6. @ honeybee:

    True, but they also must consent.

    You’ve got that right that they must consent. G-d doesn’t give them a choice! 🙂

    Gotta go…. have work to do…….later

  10. yamit82 Said:

    I know you are kidding and pulling our chain Aren’t you?

    You have a chain ??????? Be still my heart !!!!! Is it around your neck ?????????

  11. @ yamit82:

    Even Moses did not operate out of self motivation but was ordered to act by the BOSS!!!! He was called so what could he do?????

    He could of said no…….pick someone else. He probably even tried that given his stubborn nature…but he was a Prophet. Prophets don’t have a choice.

  13. honeybee Said:

    yamit82 Said:
    Try this it might work
    OMG Yamit82 can’t you learn any “newer jokes”. That cartoon goes back to Moses.

    True not an original idea behind it but for most Jews it’s not old but futuristic bordering on fantasy. Even Moses did not operate out of self motivation but was ordered to act by the BOSS!!!! He was called so what could he do????? 🙂

    One lesson Jews can draw from the Moses story. When Moses saw an Egyptian beating a Jew what did he do???. He slayed the Egyptian…. That’s the message Jews should learn from Moses and it ain’t no joke!!!! 😉

  15. Eric R. Said:

    I am not Israeli, but I hope that most Israeli Jews do not think like you

    I pray most Israelis think like Yamit82. If European Jews do not have the gumptions to save themselves, they are not worth the saving.

  16. Max Said:

    Submit that to Harper and Obama before it is too late.

    And then what, my Darlin Maxie wait for your Liberal Socialists Heroes to do nothing.

  17. @ Bear Klein:

    Jews should want to come to Israel to build up their own country with their own heritage. It is not just a matter of dangers to ones personal self.

    This is an excellent point! That is actually my motivation.

  20. @ yamit82:
    It’s beyond of my ability to understand what the h.ll needs to happen to certain Jews to internalize the need to either arm and organize themselves to kill the enemies getting ready to kill them or make Aliah.
    Some of them went through the Holocaust and still ponder.
    Amazing.
    Mochiach? Of course it would be great.
    Meanwhile those mental basket cases must decide on immediate action plans.
    “A Di.s rogando
    e con el palo dando”. Circa 1100’s.

  22. @ yamit82:
    I ask your OK to join this thread. Thank you.
    Lets put that hope, unfounded hope, to rest. We will not go into WW III unless the situation for Eretz Israel is untenable.
    The DIASPORA Jews have had 70 years to decide to make Aliah and rejected the concept. In fact the majority still do. It is their perfect right. What is not their right or our obligation is to correct their error at our risk and expense.
    They are welcome home and some help may be available to that end. Only to that end. Perhaps at the discretion of the special units some Jews may be brought home. As we flew in Ethiopian Jews for example.
    The vast majority MUST make Aliah or face their own music.
    On a personal level. Three of my brothers and families live in the US and South America. I have informed them that we build extra room in our home for them to stay for a while on Aliah. The Jewish Agency provides facilities as well. That is as far as I will go on their behalf.

  23. yamit82 Said:

    @ Eric R.:
    I know you are kidding and pulling our chain Aren’t you?

    Apart from the crack about the Champs Elysees, I am (pardon the pun) deadly serious, including the comment about attacking the EU in Brussels. Mossad and the Defense Ministry should absolutely be lining up dual passport citizens to be posted in European countries, and find ways to get them automatic weapons, and leave them instructions that when Islamists, leftists, and xenophobes (Nazis are NOT right wing, that is a deliberate misnomer by a leftist dominated cultural elite) threaten Jews, they are not only ready to open fire, but ready to take the battle to these scum.

    I also believe that Israeli embassies should be heavily armed, and given the genocidal hatred of the Muslim and leftist demonstrators, should open fire on any demonstrations outside Israeli embassies, and thirdly, should there be widespread pogroms, Israel should attack European shipping (including military vessels) and European-bound shipping (i.e. – oil tankers) and do what it can to cripple Europe and drive it into civil war that hopefully consumes it for all time.

  25. Israel will be fighting on the streets of Europe to stop a second Holocaust.

    I just smile at the thought of the crazed EU bureaucrats screaming “Heil Hitler!” and “Death to the Jews!” at the IDF as they storm the halls of the EU in Brussels.

    The IDF victory march down the Champs Elysees will also be very nice.

    🙂

  31. @ Eric R.:

    I believe the sentiment is more common than you care to admit.

    Not at all. Jews in the Diaspora that are at a higher risk ie France have been invited to relocate to Israel – for those who want to Israel DOES help them. It is not a military help that they need. Most want to stay. That is their perogative – to stay or relocate elsewhere.

    This is a price that Israel must be willing to pay. An Israel seen as too cowardly to defend helpless Jews abroad will only invite attacks on itself.

    Man you really are a piece of work! Why is it that Israel must always pay the price??? Besides it is not practical what you are suggesting. The Jews who want to be saved can be – in a different way!

    Good for ISRAEL to be able to flourish under such conditions!!

  32. dove Said:

    Israel IS our homeland. It is up to us to protect and defend HER. Not the other way around. I personally have never heard even one Diaspora Jew have the same sentiments as you. WE WOULDN’T DARE!

    I believe the sentiment is more common than you care to admit.
    Also, the “need to defend” is mutual. There is really nothing that diaspora Jews can do militarily to help Israel, which is the 3rd, 4th or 5th most powerful military in the world. The help that the diaspora offers is political.

    However, the diaspora also has to remember that Israel is not the economically struggling country of 2 million people that it was 50 years ago. It is a major high tech (both in computers and pharma) and military power, has large energy reserves now with its gas, and at 8.4 million people, now has a population comparable to Switzerland or Austria. Israel today does have the military wherewithal to use its military to defend Jews abroad. Again, we are talking 1% of Israel’s potential mobilization force, in order to save more than a million Jews. This is a price that Israel must be willing to pay. An Israel seen as too cowardly to defend helpless Jews abroad will only invite attacks on itself.

  33. My grandparents in Austria (during the Holocaust) told their children that they are not leaving because the Americans will come rescue them. This is prior to the Nazis picking them up and killing them in a concentration camp. Luckily they had sent my mother away.

    Israel has rescued Jews elsewhere and brought them to Israel when these Jews so desire. They have done so recently in the Ukraine. Israel is simply not capable of physically guarding Jews all over the world. Israeli organizations coordinate flights and immigration assistance to Jews all over the world. Those with lesser means are helped financially. Even those with means are provided assistance. Israel is willing to help Jews who want to help themselves.

    Israel has allocated more money now to help Jews who want to come and make aliyah (immigrate) to Israel. It is more welcoming of Jewish immigrants to Israel, than any other country in the world is for its respective immigrants.

    I am for free will. I think Jews should be allowed to live anywhere they want in peace. I think as a people Jews are better off when they come to Israel. In the long run without a strong Israel there probably will be not much of a Jewish people. At best in the long run outside of Israel Jews will be sort of like the American Indian tribes.

    Jews should want to come to Israel to build up their own country with their own heritage. It is not just a matter of dangers to ones personal self.

  34. @ Eric R.:

    Eric it’s nice that you have a bleeding heart for us Diaspora Jews but I don’t think you understand where our responsibilities lie.

    Israel and the Diaspora are staying connected in many ways. Most of us have family or friends that live in Israel – we stay in touch and monitor the situation from both sides.

    Israel IS our homeland. It is up to us to protect and defend HER. Not the other way around. I personally have never heard even one Diaspora Jew have the same sentiments as you. WE WOULDN’T DARE!

    We are currently living in our ‘adopted’ lands. It is even in Canadas national anthem as Canada was created based on immigrants. ‘Our home AND native land’. We also have allegiance to our ‘native land’ that has allowed us to prosper and basically just live our lives. Now Canada is also on the chopping block. Do you think that G-d does not care? So please just let us figure it out on our own.

  35. @ SHmuel HaLevi 2:

    Israel is not going to stand by and watch helpless Jews in Europe get slaughtered. Israel is not going to stand by and watch the Europeans actively finish Hitler’s work. You know it and I know it.

    Just be prepared — sometime in the next year or two, the IDF will be forced to take over the Antwerp Ghetto and the city of Malmo, and will be forced to open fire on psychotic, crazed Muslims and leftists, as well as on the police, to defend the Jews. It may even get so bad that Israel will be forced to seize the parliaments of these countries and even ask the military of each country to step in and take over.

    I actually venture the average Swede is fed up with the leftist, multiculti Marxo-Islamism of the elites and would welcome it.

    I look forward to Swedish Socialist heads exploding at living under Israeli “occupation” 🙂

  37. @ Eric R.:
    What part of “they are on their own” you fail to understand?
    They CHOSE to remain in Europe, South Africa, etc, after ample opportunities were offered them to come home. In fact many of them are set into attacking Israeli policies and leaders.
    Final notice:
    The Jews that feel threatened can and are welcome here and now. If they still do not do so, they are on their own.

  38. dove Said:

    @ Eric R.:
    I would suggest the IDF send troops to defend the Jews of Europe
    Eric, that would be ludicrous! Think about it. Where would it start? Where would it end? There are pockets of Jews all over the world! The IDF could not deplete itself when it will need to defend Israel. Look at all the enemies both inside and surrounding Israel. They have enough to contend with. The Diaspora Jews will have to fend for themselves. I say that and I am a Diaspora Jew.

    Your argument – and that of Yamit and Shmuel – might have held water in the past, when Israel was smaller in population. With 8.5 million people, Israel can now muster 400,000+ troops if it had to, and it is not too much to expect that she can develop a force of 2,500 to 4,000 troops to be used as to defend Jews elsewhere in the world. These troops are only there to defend Jews, they are not looking to conquer Europe (although Europe is so freaking weak right now, they could probably do it).

    Israel has developed to the point where she not only serves as a homeland for Jews, BUT AS A WORLDWIDE DEFENDER OF THEM.

    What is going to happen when — not if, but when — Jews are again trapped in Europe, unable to come to Israel under the pretext that Israel might settle them in Judea and Samaria, thus angering the Arabs? Is Israel going to sit by as tens of thousands of Jews are slaughtered? Are you f**king kidding me? The IDF would HAVE to BE battling it out in the streets of Europe — this will mean gun battles in the streets with Islamofascist terrorists and gangs, with leftist radical savages, even with the police and home armies of these nations. When (not if) it gets to that point, it is the duty of Israel to not only defend the Jews but to ruin Europe permanently by throwing it into such chaotic civil war that it consumes itself and is destroyed from within.

    And I will go even further — this Jewish defense force will likely be needed in places other than Europe, given the decaying state of the world and growing Jew-hatred. It may be needed in Argentina, South Africa, and Venezuela, just to name a few countries where Jews are in mortal peril.

    The alternative to this would be using nukes on Europe, which would lead to French retaliation and a second Shoah.

  39. @ Eric R.:

    I would suggest the IDF send troops to defend the Jews of Europe

    Eric, that would be ludicrous! Think about it. Where would it start? Where would it end? There are pockets of Jews all over the world! The IDF could not deplete itself when it will need to defend Israel. Look at all the enemies both inside and surrounding Israel. They have enough to contend with. The Diaspora Jews will have to fend for themselves. I say that and I am a Diaspora Jew.

  40. Sooner or later more Jews will be murdered in Europe

    By Ted Belman

    What is needed is to
    • initiate zero tolerance laws for incitement.
    • outlaw sharia and enforce the laws of the host country.
    • stop immigration until the problems are under control
    • require integration
    • stop the teaching of Islam in schools
    • outlaw any organization that supports jihad

    I don’t see how any of the above will protect Jews who are targeted by individuals and or small cells of Muslims bent ideologically and religiously on killing Jews, especially when death is not a deterrence to them but a reward.

    What you suggest will just drive those already radicalized to go underground making it more difficult for the security establishment to keep tabs and monitor their activities.

    There is a greater problem for the EU and that is free passage from one member state to another by all who reside and have status in the EU. Since there are between 30-50 million Muslims now in the EU and most have been born in member states your suggestions seem not to be practical or operable…noting that the demographic trend is to see more Muslims viv a vis non Muslims in the near future. How is your suggestions going impact on such a large indigenous group?

    Remember they are now a Political European force to be dealt with with inherent consequences.

  43. @ Eric R.:

    The majority of Jews in the world now live in Israel, Israel is only a few hours flight from any corner in the world. Any Jew even those who are not Jewish by Jewish law are welcomed in Israel as Jews. I must assume by now thatjews in the general diasporah he have not come or have no intentions to come is because they don’t want to and that’s the primary reason most Jews in Europe perished under the Nazis. They all to a man and woman rejected Palestine and Zionism and even when they escaped Germany went to neighboring countries and not Palestine. There is a price for stupidity and ignorance and I don’t think a single good and holy Jew here in Israel should be put at risk to save stupid ignorant Jews. Choices have consequences and bad choices can have the worst of em.

    If Israel was not still feared by our enemies including Obama they would have attacked us long ago. Obama can cause us some inconvenience and maybe some pain but we can easily survive them and become stronger for the challenges.

  44. @ Eric R.:
    Our mission is to hold and secure the Jews in the Land of Israel. And retake and protect our Heritage. The Diaspora Jews made their decision to either remain or settle over there. Consequently I do not see that is our responsibility to risk our lives or those of our children lives also to protect non Zionist, selfish and probably worse Jews and many renegade. Only a small minority of Diaspora Jews ever did that for Israel. In fact many of them actively harm Israel.
    They are on their own by their own choice.

  45. yamit82 Said:

    You gotta be on something. Every Jew in Europe has till now a myriad of options and need not have to endure a single attack on himself family friends or community.

    At this point it’s up to them and I do not accept the responsibility for the risk for stupid Jews and selfish Jews. If they want Europe or any-other place but Israel screw em, they are on their own.

    I am not Israeli, but I hope that most Israeli Jews do not think like you. It is in YOUR interest to defend Jews anywhere in the world; an Israel that fails to do so will be seen as weak and invite even more attacks upon Israel itself. An Israel that takes the battle to the Islamists will be seen as strong. Sure, the Nazis who dominate Europe will denounce you, but you should no longer care what they think.

  46. Eric R. Said:

    I would suggest the IDF send troops to defend the Jews of Europe.

    You gotta be on something. Every Jew in Europe has till now a myriad of options and need not have to endure a single attack on himself family friends or community.

    At this point it’s up to them and I do not accept the responsibility for the risk for stupid Jews and selfish Jews. If they want Europe or any-other place but Israel screw em, they are on their own.

  47. I would suggest the IDF send troops to defend the Jews of Europe. They would have to be sent under cover, of course, but given that a lot of Israelis have more than one passport, it is very doable.

    These armed guards would patrol Jewish neighborhoods where there are attacks from Muslims, like the Marais, Saracelles, Guilders Green and the Antwerp Ghetto (I believe they are already quietly in the last one). They would also guard synagogues and cemeteries, and if they see Muslims or leftists attacking Jews, would open fire.

    The ensuing reaction would likely spawn a continent-wide civil war, but if Israel can get 700-1,000 troops into the continent under cover, they can inflict enough damage on rioting Muslims and leftists to deflect them to other targets.

    The civil war would consume Europe, kill hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions, and finish off Europe for good.

    All of which it deserves.

  49. They can’t protect themselves either. Jews are just the first to Go,
    Just like WWII, plans had been drawn up to do the Poles next and then the French.

    What is needed is to
    • initiate zero tolerance laws for incitement.
    • outlaw sharia and enforce the laws of the host country.
    • stop immigration until the problems are under control
    • require integration
    • stop the teaching of Islam in schools
    • outlaw any organization that supports jihad

    Submit that to Harper and Obama before it is too late.

  50. Thy Jews there have had every opportunity to make Aliah or relocate to some other hiding place.
    It is now entirely up to them.