Security Council Adopts Anti-settlement Resolution; U.S. Abstains

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U.S. didn’t veto the resolution because it reflects facts on the ground and is consistent with U.S. policy, Samantha Power says;

Trump: ‘Things will be different after Jan. 20.’

THIS RESOLUTION IS THE STRAW THAT WILL BREAK THE CAMELS BACK.

THE BIG LOSER WILL BE THE UN. THE US WILL DESTROY IT AND REPLACE IT.

ISRAEL WILL TRIUMPH.

December 23, 2016 | 64 Comments »

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  1. @ bernard ross:
    Both of us have “anger and frustration…[about] justifying Jews settling in the Jewish homeland of Judea Samaria…”

    I thought you misread what Rep. Engel said, and I always try to keep my words icy cold, no cursing online.

    If I can find evidence this was an Obama44/Kerry plot to use New Zealand, well, we shall see if anyone in the media, or Congress, finally says J’ Accuse! with proof.

    fwiw, when ADL Greenblatt criticizes his former boss, the Dems and many Jews are heading for a divorce. Schumer’s huge win over HRC in NYC and NYS is a big clue that New York voters, many Jews, oppose Obama44’s policies on JCPOA, and Israel.
    Schumer beat HRC by 47,823 votes in NYC. Schumer beat HRC by 645,367 votes statewide.

  2. @ Teshuvah:

    So who do ya reckon is on God’s hit list?

    All the gentile nations will eventually suffer God’s Wrath when they join together to oppress the Jewish nation (see Genesis 12:3; Numbers 24:8-9; Deuteronomy 32:43; Isaiah 59:17-19; Jeremiah 2:3; Ezekiel 38:3 – 39:6; Joel 4:1-2; and Zechariah 14:2-13). 😀

  3. @ Teshuvah:

    Here are links on Kerry/New Zealand meet on Nov. 13, it does sound like a USA plot to ‘save the 2-state solution’, NOT a Palestinian initiative:

    “NZ talks to Kerry about UN Security Council resolution on Israel-Palestine conflict” 8:01 PM Sunday Nov 13, 2016

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11747382

    “One of the closed-door discussions between United States Secretary of State John Kerry and the New Zealand Government today was a potential resolution by the United Nations Security Council on a two-state solution for the Israel – Palestinian conflict.

    After the talks, Foreign Minister Murray McCully even raised the possibility of the US or New Zealand sponsoring a resolution.

    “It is a conversation we are engaged in deeply and we’ve spent some time talking to Secretary Kerry about where the US might go on this. …”

    [No mention of this topic at the Kerry-PM Key presser on November 13]:
    “Press Availability With New Zealand Prime Minister John Key John Kerry Secretary of State Premier House Wellington, New Zealand November 13, 2016 ” https://www.state.gov/secretary/remarks/2016/11/264266.htm

    [Hours later:] “The 2016 Kaikoura earthquake was a magnitude 7.8 (Mw) earthquake in the South Island of New Zealand that occurred two minutes after midnight on 14 November 2016 NZDT (11:02 on 13 November UTC). …

    The large magnitude of the quake makes it second in magnitude to only one New Zealand earthquake since European settlement of the country …” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Kaikoura_earthquake

  4. Obama’s FP Legacy: Conned by Iran; impotent against Russia; half measures on Syria; kick Israel in the teeth on the way out!!

  5. @ yamit82:
    I see. I didn’t know about the Lavi or how it was killed by the Reagan administration with collusion from the Israeli left wing Military establishment. Thank you for pointing that out. I see he was also a “Never Trumper”. Still, I’m glad he voted against renovating the U.N. The U.N. needs to go. Saying he’s my favorite dem isn’t saying much.

    http://forward.com/news/national/353185/dov-hikind-dumps-donald-trump-will-he-swing-brooklyn-orthodox-votes/

    Israel needs to build another Lavi. Self-sufficiency is the key to independence. When Schumer said Ellison was a friend of Israel because he voted for military aid, I just laughed. The aid help the U.S. military industries and ties Israel’s hands. It also has zero chance of being voted down. That’s not especially a sign of being pro-Israel. And Obama tried to reduce aid to Israel and then took credit for the increases when he was defeated by Congress! Talk about Chutzpah! Including Iron Dome.

    Incidentally, I just found this informative article about that anti-semitic bastard, Truman and Israeli independence.

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/buried-in-a-footnote-i-find-a-hero/

    Found this thought provoking line: “The first act of the Provisional Government was to nullify the White Paper and all its provisions, including retroactive repudiation of the Lands Law.”

    If they neglected to do that formally with the Jordanian Occupation Law, isn’t it about time to do so retroactively after, what, exactly 40 years, isn’t it? Ridiculous!

    And while we’re on the subject, how about all the descendants of Aaron, the Cohens and Levys starting a class action suit against the government of Israel and the Waqf demanding the return of their property: The Temple Mount, which the government had no right to give away. Who cares if the Jordanians make threat. What they gonna do about it, huh? If they could conquer us, they would have done it already. They shouldn’t wanna find out what we could do to them. Jordan belongs to us anyway. They are there on sufferance. Insufferable insects.

  6. @ bernard ross:

    On Nov 20, 2016 The NZ Trade minister, Todd McClay, met up with Barry at the Peru Trade meeting. Reciprocal schmoozing permeates this report.
    Stuff.co.nz : When will Obama visit New Zealand…..

  7. “Israel ends aid programs, orders ambassadors home after UN Security Council condemnation of settlements”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-24/israel-ends-aid-programs-after-un-security-council-vote/8146840

    Somebody should start a web site, detailing the gimmees who return a kick in the teeth for a helping hand entitled, “Ungrateful Basterds*”

    (*Deliberate misspelling. See “Inglourious Basterds” (2009) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361748/)

    14 countries. I’m googling aid from U.S. to each one. Let’s see.

    Uruguay: In response to their flooding disaster’s last year, The U.S. donated $50,000 in relief supplies, Israel donated $10,000 each to Uruguay and Paraguay to help displaced families.

    http://www.israel21c.org/israel-sends-donations-to-flood-victims-in-paraguay-and-uruguay/

    https://www.usaid.gov/crisis/uruguay

    Just google: Israel21c Israeli aid to [and fill in the name of the country] Just about every one of these countries have been aided by Israel (I’m talking life and death assistance) and the others are looking for Israeli solutions. ARE THEY MORONS?

    An example of typical U.N. assistance:

    Monty Python’s Ministry of Silly Walks (Full Sketch)

    https://youtu.be/iV2ViNJFZC8

  8. @ bernard ross:
    There is a link on Stuff.Co.NZ
    New Zealand wins beef access right to lucrative Indonesian market by Gerard Hutching
    The deal isn’t only about the beef but opening the door to Indonesian tourism which will require dietary laws plus the foreign student influx wanting to study aiming for Permanent Residency.
    In a country of 4.7 million against 230 million, these deals don’t make sense. John Key was Obama’s biggest trumpet for the TPP. Another Barry disaster…..

  9. Zahavah Said:

    Co-incidentally to-day a Trade announcement was lauded and applauded by the minister Todd McClay. All trade barriers have been dropped by INDONESIA for NZ to go ahead and trade with them. Barry’s influence!!!

    good catch, the bribe for the NZ betrayal was paid today after NZ performed its part of the deal. Kerry made the deal and today it was paid.
    do you have a link for that announcement today?

  10. Trump should get the FBI to look into the sherrif Arpaio investigaiton of the forged certificate among other things. I would really like to see him hunt down all those muslim stooges including bill and hillary clinton foundation. they should go after Obama. One investigation will lead to another to bring down the nest of vipers.. if not they will be back with other actors in the roles.
    Also, the connections of the NGO’s funding to the dangerous muslim migrations… this can be sedition and sabotage crimes.
    the muslim angle and muslim money is deep behind much of what has happened over the past 30 years, we need to expose these crimes.

  11. Zahavah Said:

    On 11/11/2016 Taxpayers pay for John Kerry’s Antarctic Trip that has NO ‘Diplomatic Component’ The Daily Caller.
    As reported he then slipped into New Zealand to meet PM John Key.
    On 28/11/2016 King Abdullah of Jordon is hosted by PM John Key. An understated visit after including Australia.

    On Fox News (The Five), they said ..”Gee Israel seems to think Obama orchestrated this” .

    Don’t know why (Scratch heads) and move on…
    ..
    I think it is true, they were all uninformed of the NZ-Kerry connection. Staff didn’t research and no one told them. That’s how it works a little bit of information connects the dots and changes everything. A doubtful attitude kept them from researching.

    The WH lies and says they are still on Israel’s side like someone punches you in the face and says they really like you.
    Obama has been doing that to America for eight years.
    The lies go over with their fan base because their controlled media supports the lie. All it takes is a few words from the friendly faces on CNN and the delusions are sold.

  12. The Jewish Federation of North America, ….. described the administration’s actions as “tragic” and said the move is likely to mar Obama’s legacy.

    “It is tragic that the administration chose to mar its legacy of support for the Jewish State and set back the prospects for Israeli-Palestinian peace,” the organization said in a statement.http://freebeacon.com/national-security/key-challenges-facing-trumps-pentagon-include-cyber-acquisitions-management/?

    for the federation the trajedy is the marring of president husseings legacy and the peace process…. the continued libeling of Israel and Jews that they are illegal and illegitmate to settle in YS is irrelevant to them

    “We are outraged over the U.S. failure to veto this biased and unconstructive UNSC resolution on Israel,” said Jonathan A. Greenblatt, the ADL’s CEO. “This resolution will do little to renew peace efforts between Israel and the Palestinians.

    but ADL is too busy taking muslim donations and chasing islamaphobes to notice or comment on the defamation of Israel by their party and idol,…. the defamation… the blood libel…. that jews seeking to settle in their historical homeland of Judea Samaria, a legal right given by the LON Mandate,…. that such jews are illegal illegitimates…. apparently that defamation of Jews continues to escape the mind of Greenblat and his anti demafation league.

    But what action will they take, will they leave the dem muslim nazi party or will they continue to be apologists for their anti semitism?

  13. @ Birdalone:
    dear Birdalone, I dont know if you took my angry comment as directed as you, it was not… it was not even directed at Spengler, who is a good writer…. it was a general anger and frustration that we as a group feel we have to keep justifying Jews settling in the Jewish homeland of Judea Samaria… that we have to disguise our right and heritage as a quest for peace in order to market it to others. happy Hanukah.

  14. Why blame only Obama for this? The vote was 14-0. Israel should now treat all countries that voted for and abstained from the resolution as enemies. There should be sanctions. In my opinion it is now time to remove the velvet gloves. It is a time to annex all disputed territories. All such territories should be declared to be part of the Land of Israel. No more pussyfooting. Now is the time to show the rest of the world that they cannot f*ck the Jews.

    When Trump takes over, he should throw the UN out of America – send them packing to Iran where they belong.

    Israel should petition the Nobel Committee to demand back Obama’s Peace Prize. They won’t do it, but it’s a great way to insult that bastard.

  15. bernard ross Said:

    Trump, who was villified by Jews, stood up for Israel while the muslim president and muslim party boasted of having israels back, they stabbed it……

    After six solid weeks of the Lugenpresse spearheaded by CNN, Washington Compost, NYT and NBC demonizing Trump, Bannon and Breitbart as antisemitic.
    The arrogant in-your-face hypocrisy is staggering and redolent with the foul corruption of absolute MSM power.

  16. On 11/11/2016 Taxpayers pay for John Kerry’s Antarctic Trip that has NO ‘Diplomatic Component’ The Daily Caller.
    As reported he then slipped into New Zealand to meet PM John Key.
    On 28/11/2016 King Abdullah of Jordon is hosted by PM John Key. An understated visit after including Australia.
    First week in December 2016 PM John Key’s shock announcement of resignation for family reasons.
    On a Karmic level, John Key could have been haunted by the ghost of Ruth Lazar, his mother, a Holocaust survivor. Backing Barry’s conniving plots have done him no good. Co-incidentally to-day a Trade announcement was lauded and applauded by the minister Todd McClay. All trade barriers have been dropped by INDONESIA for NZ to go ahead and trade with them. Barry’s influence!!!

    Israel will triumph and there will be lights everywhere.
    A new dawn cometh…Happy Hanukkah.

  17. Ex 23:22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

    After being falsely accused, set up and lied about I found that if I remain faithful to Him, God will deal to my enemies far worse than I ever could have imagined possible without me lifting a finger. I generally desire good for all good men. Now when I see the wicked plotting I indeed know that God laughs. They have no fear of God and He is more than able to instill it in them and remove them from the planet. He isn’t interested in consensus and ecumenism with the wicked. He only wants compliance with His will.

  18. Birdalone Said:

    I came back because the JPost has the Kerry/NZ, and NZ/WHouse dots connected.

    Thanks for the link to JPost. Proof is good. I just saw it from news headlines.

    New Zealand meeting calls into question White House narrative on role in UN vote
    http://www.jpost.com/American-Politics/New-Zealand-meeting-calls-into-question-White-House-narrative-on-role-in-UN-vote-476380

    Fukushima was a judgment of God because of Japan siding with the Palies against Israel.

    Japan’s Earthquake & Tsunami–the Hand of God?
    https://janmeador.wordpress.com/2011/03/13/japans-earthquake-tsunami-the-hand-of-god/

    On July 18, 2004 three days after former PM Helen Clark broke off diplomatic relations with Israel re the “Mossad” passport issue, a breach occurred in the Rangitaiki River stopbank just upstream of Edgecumbe leading to the Bay of Plenty Flood in NZ which caused millions of dollars of damage. This was just one of her anti-Israel acts that caused judgment to fall on her and on NZ. It is ongoing. The Bible says God will restore the Jews to their own land in the end times and destroy all nations that come against Jerusalem. That restoration and destruction is in progress. Zech 12:2,9.

    Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

    Am 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.

  19. Thank you Ted, for the platform here.

    I came back because the JPost has the Kerry/NZ, and NZ/WHouse dots connected. Got distracted reading Zechariah.

    Saw Teshuvah had even more on NZ.

    After reading more of Bernard, am now signing off as one selfish reason for re-appearing online is to regain social skills after four years of being a voiceless hermit. Exposure to so much anger is a step backwards.

    Good Hanukkah to all.

    Man plans. G-d laughs.

  20. Thank you all for creating this compilation of condemnations of Obama’s treachery. It saves me the work of looking for these articles.

    For the record I repeat that the settlements are not illegal either because the Fourth Geneva Convention doesn’t make them so or doesn’t apply to these lands.

    Netanyahu shares some of the blame because he never embraced the Levy Report and never makes the case that the settlements are legal. He just argues they are not an obstacle to peace. He left the field wide open for the UN to pronounce on it.

    Something more is needed than just reducing or cutting off US financial support for the UN or the PA. And for certain there will never be a negotiated solution.

    It is time for unilateral action. Israel and the US should decide what to do in Keeping with the GOP platform which was unanimously passed. THEN DO IT.

    Our response must wait for Jan 20 as there is still time for a Ch 7 resolution to be passed.

    I believe that this resolution is ultra vires the UN Charter. The UN has no right to set the borders. It only may act to keep the peace. Also remember the Zionism is Racism resolution was repealed.

    As I wrote in the post, I think this resolution will serve as a catalyst for good things for Israel.

  21. Teshuvah Said:

    Israel says it will impose sanctions on New Zealand, Senegal for calling for Security Council vote.

    more important than sanctions is to settle jews in YS.. I expect that BB will avoid that or will make a symbolic meaningless gesture. sanctions on NZ would be a red herring covering what he BB has not done nor said. BB has never said the settlements are legal and legitimate so why get upset with others? BB is the cause of all these problems due to his intentional acts of omission therefore I expect no meaningful solution or action from him.

  22. @ Birdalone:
    look at how these slimy scum operate, deceiving jews that it is the UN who is the problem and not barry husseing sobarkah soetero and his pack of muslim stooges.

    Rep. Eliot Engel (D – N.Y.), the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, added on Thursday that “the UN should stop wasting its time trying to embarrass Israel, and the United States should continue the policy of vetoing anti-Israel resolutions.”

    noticeably absent from his deceitful and misleading statement is the name of the criminal backstabbing liar who is the leader of engels party. All the statements are as deceitful. Engels criminal is the UN and the US… a sad joke.

  23. CuriousAmerican Said:

    The force of the earthquake was and still is pointed North from Waiau to Wellington the Capitol. The aftershocks are currently in Seddon and Cook Strait, just south of Wellington. NZ can expect more and worse. NZ has been on the receiving end of God’s judgments for opposing Israel before.

    There were over 100,000 slips (landslides) from the M7.8 quake cutting off the main hwy N and S. Sort of like cutting the country in pieces.

    Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
    @ bernard ross:
    Israel has now recalled its Ambassador to NZ.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/87931970/israeli-ambassador-to-new-zealand-recalled-after-un-security-resolution

    Israel says it will impose sanctions on New Zealand, Senegal for calling for Security Council vote.

    I am in NZ. I support Israel.

  24. Birdalone Said:

    Democratic Lawmakers Blast Anti-Israel UN Security Council Resolution
    by TheTower.org Staff | 12.23.16 4:00 pm
    http://www.thetower.org/4348-democratic-lawmakers-blast-anti-israel-un-security-council-resolution/

    I read it and what I got is what despicable crooks those dems are.. they condemned the UN when they should have condemned their president who they supported… not once in that article did I see them condemn the fact of barry husseins backstabbing betrayal of Israel and Jews… the stinking muslim liar told Israel that he had their back… scum like those dems and shumer should have resigned from the dem party. It is absurd to condemn the UN when the president who is your own leader could have vetoed it… I saw no condemnation of his refusal to veto. They gave the lying swine hussein a free pass, they covered his ass, they are scum like him. Any jew who votes for a democrat is voting against Israel and the Jewish people, voting for the muslim fascist party who are directly responsible for the last 8 years of anti semitism agains their children on campus. I have some leftist views but right now I would vote for pinochet to come in and disappear them.

  25. @ Birdalone:
    settlements of Jews should be unrelated to peace… Jews dont need a fake peace, they need Jewish settlements in Israel. Peace is irrelevant to Jewish settlement
    why do Jews feel they must relate jewish settlement to something the goyim will buy, a kind of suicidal marketing where peace is important instead of Jewish settlement.

    The whole legal basis of modern Israel and the LON mandate is NOT peace…. it is Jewish settlment. Who stole Jewish settlement and replaced it with “peace”? Jews must return to a discussion and implementation of Jewish settlement… peace is a separate issue of a much lesser priority and should not replace Jewish settlement.

    the last time the Jews were sent to Israel it was to war, peace was not on the agenda.

    Even the state of Israel is secondary to the settlement of Jews which came first… therefore the number one priority of Jews wrt Israel should be settlement…. everything else will follow naturally from jews in YS.

  26. this resolution can be a blessing in disguise allowing israel to sever with the past and take a new path with trumps support…. but I have little faith in the ability of the Israeli leadership to seize the opportunity and the left cannot even be seriously discussed.
    Seizing the opportunity should be done in complete coordination with Trump, dont blindside someone who is on your side. Netanyahu should seek a private audience with Trump and make serious deals to get his backing… there will be no greater opportunity than this congress and this president…. but do it in coordination with trump. time to settle jews in all of ys, time to end all negotiations that include 3rd parties other than trump and those who are in concert with Israel…keep the euros and the UN out of israel, ban and expel all anti semites.

  27. @ Birdalone:
    thanks. on spengler and all the other rehashes of why jews are legitimate and legal in Israel and Judea Samaria I am becoming tired of this circular endeavor.
    Here we have Hashem confusing, confounding and sinking Israels enemies into chaos suffering and confusion… in the mid east the arab spring.. in europe the muslim flood, brexit and the russkies… teshuvah just informed us of the timing of the NZ earthquake arriving just after kerry likely made a deal with keys…… the dem muslim anti semite party is smitten down… venezuela who voted for it is starving while sitting on lakes of oil…. Trump, who was villified by Jews, stood up for Israel while the muslim president and muslim party boasted of having israels back, they stabbed it……
    all of these blessing are hopeless as long as the Jews and Israel cannot say these simple words, which the PM NEVER utters even when condemning the anti settlement resolution:
    “JEWISH SETTLEMENT IN JUDEA SAMARIA IS LEGAL AND LEGITIMATE”
    Every blessing is being given to the Jews, their enemies are being smitten down… but unless they can at least utter those words it will all be in vain… Trump cant do anything for a nation that cant say those words. I am tired of reading all this stuff and I long now for simple Trumpisms… he is so right… we can see in Israel how the Jews have argued themselves into oblivion.
    settle the jews, kill the enemies, keep out the euros, send them the muslims… its all simple, the intellectual arguments have all been said… its time for action not words… demands of the leaders to be made. I have decided that my MO is you are with me or against me so I will support the destruction of the UN, the end of Nato and Seato and give europe to the russkies and muslims. Its time to decide who is an enemy and who is a friend… thank heaven for Trump because BB is hopeless and the left is worse.

  28. This is nothing less than a last minute attempt by the S O B Obama to assassinate and destroy Israel.
    Obama’s true colours as an Islamic Jihadist are flying high.

    Note that Obama chose this time because for Western Civilization it is a time of peace and joy but for the Islamist world it is a time to wage war on the Kuffar.

    I hope DJT can and will undo this in some manner. He can start by kicking out all the Arab Jihadists individuals and and groups (often disguised as “activists”) out of America, or sending them to prison for terrorist activities.

  29. CuriousAmerican Said:

    Why did New Zealand get on board with this?

    NZ’s leaders claim to be centrist but are really liberal-globalist. Conservatives are shouted to silence. John Kerry’s trip to Antarctica was supposed to be about the environment. He stopped on the way back in NZ and met with PM John Key. If they did a backroom deal with Key for NZ to support the phony 2-state solution, he will have brought the judgment of God on NZ. The timing was right. The M7.8 quake was 11/14 just after that meeting. John Key has since resigned and has been replaced by Bill English, a like minded soul.

    The force of the earthquake was and still is pointed North from Waiau to Wellington the Capitol. The aftershocks are currently in Seddon and Cook Strait, just south of Wellington. NZ can expect more and worse. NZ has been on the receiving end of God’s judgments for opposing Israel before.

    There were over 100,000 slips (landslides) from the M7.8 quake cutting off the main hwy N and S. Sort of like cutting the country in pieces.

    Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

  30. Spengler @ PJM “The “settlements” are not an obstacle to peace but a precondition for peace ”
    By David P. Goldman December 23, 2016

    The “settlements” are not an obstacle to peace but a precondition for peace
    By David P. Goldman December 23, 2016

    Wars end when one side knows that it has lost and is willing to make peace. The Arab side refuses to accept that it was defeated in four wars and various insurgencies. Arafat walked away from Ehud Barak’s peace offer in 1999 without a reponse and Abbas refused to even consider Olmert’s similar offer in 2008. Like the Duke brothers in “Trading Places,” the Palestinian Arabs think they can re-trade the Israeli War of Independence, go back in time, erase the historical record, and reclaim victory. If you lose and refuse to make peace, you pay a penalty, and the normal penalty is loss of territory. For opportunistic reasons (placating Muslim trading partners and restive Muslim populations) most countries indulge the Muslim fantasy that defeat is inconceivable and therefore reversible. That simply leads to more futile violence.

    Just as important is the Jewish presence in what would have been a Palestinian state, if the Palestinians had wanted to have a state in 1999 or 2008. That ship probably has sailed; chaos in the region around them makes it impossible de facto to create a Palestinian state today. If the Palestinians wanted peace, then they would tolerate a Jewish population in their putative state, just as Israel embraces a 20% Arab minority. The fact that the Palestinians demand a state entirely Judenrein (“clean” of Jews) betrays hostile intent.

    To indulge the Palestinians on the matter of ethnic cleansing of Jews from Judea and Samaria is unprecedented in international peace negotiations, and utterly and despicably hypocritical on the part of the majority of Security Council members.

    https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2016/12/23/the-settlements-are-not-an-obstacle-to-peace-but-a-precondition-for-peace/

  31. @ bernard ross:
    Thx for your posts here, esp the Art 6 versus Art 7 distinction.

    The comment LtColHoward was noted to be a copy Jonathan Tobin’s post at Commentary. Tobin included Rep. Lee Zeldin’s comment. Zeldin is the sole (I think) Jewish Republican member of the House of Representatives. His NY CD 1 is the eastern end of Long Island.

    The Tower has a good report of the DEMOCRATS you WOULD find funny. Rep. Brad Sherman, D CA lobbied New Zealand. I interpreted that as ‘Saban is furious’
    Interesting roster of Senate Dems; my read is Trump45 just made inroads with more Senate Dems, at least on foreign policy. And, Rep Eliot Engel was my Rep until 2012, and he has ALWAYS stood up to O44 on Israel.

    Here is the link to the Tower:

    Democratic Lawmakers Blast Anti-Israel UN Security Council Resolution
    by TheTower.org Staff | 12.23.16 4:00 pm
    http://www.thetower.org/4348-democratic-lawmakers-blast-anti-israel-un-security-council-resolution/

    I want to add the question in this thread:

    When will the UN enforce UNSC Res 1701 and disarm Hezbollah in Lebanon?”

  32. Edgar G. Said:

    I only highlighted part of a single line, viz. “If one acceps the legality of the UN”. The rest seemed to have just tagged along.

    this happens sometimes when you highlight but the highlighting doesnt take hold and then you click the highlight and reply button. It does the same as if you did not highlight but just clicked that button: it prints the whole post.
    Edgar G. Said:

    The Jewish People have the full right to settle the Land wherever they want…today

    I agree, except the right of world jewry to settle anywhere west of the Jordan does not depend on the state of Israel nor its lack of desire for annexation… that settlement right existed prior to the state and is not cancelled by the existence of a state on part of that land. In my view Israel has no right to decide to keep it judenrein and has every obligation, as did britain and jordan, to follow the original mandate dictates as LAW. Israel appears to be doing the same thing that britain and jordan did…. keep it judenrein out of perceived state interest… unlike britain Israel evicts Jews from the Jewish homeland.

  33. XXX

    Good for Zeldin. It’s very funny to see the fervent Obama supporters jumping off the bandwagon in flocks (sheep), before the crash of Trump’s inauguration arrives.

    Earlier today I posted that both Israel and the US should immediately leave the UN and cancel all funds both to the UN and to UN supported Anti-Jewish groups, and the PA, including electricity, water, and other utilities that the Mamzerim Arabim have been stealing or/and not paying for. (blow up all the illegal wells etc.). Israel should immediately annex the whole country, and enter into negotiations with the local Arab influential families that basically rule Area A, and allow them Residency Rights.

    There are 101 things that Israel could and should do to uphold it’s own dignity if for nothing else.

    President Trump may want to sanction the 14 countries who voted for the Resolution…or he may not…it’s just nice to think about. That would REALLY be supporting Israel. As for New Zealand, for quite a while they have been anti-Israel and their govt. fully supports the local mamzerim Arabim, and even at the best of times have been ambivalent.

  34. CuriousAmerican Said:

    I am shocked. I did not expect this.

    I thought Trump had killed it.

    I though pressure from Trump and Netanyahu (on Egypt) had killed the Resolution.

    Why did New Zealand get on board with this?

    New Zealand, Venezuela, Malaysia and Senegal give Cairo deadline to decide if it will reintroduce resolution shelved after heavy pressure from Israel,
    Trump

    What is wrong with NZ?

    When Truman was pro-Israel, the State Department rebelled and refused to vote the way Truman wanted.

    I am shocked that no one at the US UN Delegation resigned in protest at this new vote.

    Wow! The US State Department is ever Arabist.

    Israel may have no choice but to leave the UN. This was a really nasty manuever, and it will have legal consequences – if one accepts the legality of the UN.

    BDS has just been given a major battle flag.

    Trump will find a truly malarial swamp at the State Department. Think Hercules cleaning the Aegean Stables.

    xxx

    I only highlighted part of a single line, viz. “If one acceps the legality of the UN”. The rest seemed to have just tagged along.

    I could have edited it out but though that Ted would want to see it for diagnosis..

    I don’t believe, although I’m no UN expert, that Israel has any onus for obeying any UN resolution or sanction against it. Because every one of these resolutions and condemnations are directly antithetical to Art. 80 of the UN Founding Charter, which guaranteed that ALL previous League of Nations International agreements would be upheld with no hitch. Meaning that The Jewish People have the full right to settle the Land wherever they want…today as a State, subject to certain regulations common to States.

    So all the crap that the UN routinely weekly even daily, heaps on Israel should, could and must be ignored. I have no idea as to why Netanyahu constantly humbles himself and bows his shoulders for the UN. Maybe he thinks he’s engaging in Real-Politik. Well…maybe he is, but only to satisfy all the Anti-Semites.

    Why should a Jewish Prime minister of a Sovereign Jewish State, rush to satisfy Anti-Semites. He should be opposing and exposing them. There are loads of documentary evidence which would show the open Jew-hate, that OFFICIALLY the civilized Western World and much of the rest of the globe, also oppose….. publicly anyway.

  35. for netanyahu to have any credibility he should begin a massive program of NEW Jewish settlements in YS outside the ghetto boundaries of the existing blocks…. NOT INSIDE.

    there is no longer any reason to keep playing this bullshite game

    Netanyahu should ask trump for a private meeting and coordinate with him on announcing a massive settlement program even before the muslim president steps down.

  36. Obama’s Betrayal Jonathan Tobin, Commentary 12-23-16

    It turned out that nothing could prevent President Obama from firing one last shot at Israel. Despite the pleas of the Israeli government and the warning from his successor that failing to veto a biased UN resolution on the Middle East conflict would be deeply unfair and soon repudiated, the administration broke with decades of U.S. policy, abstained from voting on a resolution that condemns Israeli settlements, and abandoned the Jewish state to its enemies at the United Nations Security Council.
    Today’s resolution brands the Jewish presence in any part of the West Bank or in parts of Jerusalem that were occupied by Jordan from 1949 to 1967 as illegal. And it makes the hundreds of thousands of Jews who live in those parts of the ancient Jewish homeland international outlaws. The excuse given by the U.S. was that increased building in the territories and Jerusalem is endangering the chances of a two-state solution. But, as I noted yesterday when the vote on the resolution was postponed, this is a canard. The reason why a two-state solution has not been implemented to date is because the Palestinians have repeatedly refused offers of statehood even when such offers would put them in possession of almost all of the West Bank and a share of Jerusalem. The building of more homes in places even Obama admitted that Israel would keep in the event of a peace treaty is no obstacle to peace if the Palestinians wanted a state. Rather than encourage peace, this vote will merely encourage more Palestinian intransigence and their continued refusal to negotiate directly with Israel. It will also accelerate support for efforts to wage economic war on Israel via the BDS movement. This lame duck stab in the back of America’s only democratic ally in the Middle East should only further encourage President-elect Donald Trump to make good on his promise to move the U.S. embassy to Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem and let the world know that the new administration not only repudiates his predecessor’s betrayal but that the alliance is as strong as ever.
    That will have to wait until January 20th and Obama’s exit from the White House. In the meantime, this is a moment for Democratic friends of Israel to apologize for eight years of excusing and rationalizing Obama’s growing hostility to the Jewish state. Though some will disingenuously argue that the president is trying to save Israel from itself, today’s vote must be seen for what it is. Freed of political constraints, the president finally showed his true colors by throwing Israel to the wolves at a United Nations where anti-Semitism and anti-Israel bias is integral to the culture of the world body.
    This is a moment when those who have been in denial about the harm the president has done to the U.S.-Israel alliance should admit their mistake. But for the pro-Israel community as a whole, a bipartisan coalition of Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals, this is a moment of anger that will hopefully be followed by a determination to work with the next president to repair the grave damage Obama has caused.
    *****

    I said earlier today in my email to you and others, “If Obama votes for or abstains from this vote, he will have assured and cemented his legacy of being the most vicious, vindictive and ideologically moved anti-Israel and probably antisemitic president in history.“

    Well he has so cemented his legacy.

    I watched with disgust as Samantha Powers disingenuously tried to make it sound like abstaining from the vote somehow was in keeping with America’s great relationship with Israel, that the resolution reflected the U.S. long standing policy of always seeing the settlements as illegal and they only abstained to allow the motion to pass once they were satisfied it also called on Palestinians to quit their terrorism.

    What consummate liars Obama and his people are. The passage of the UNSC motion purports to create new international law that puts Israel at a severe disadvantage and in many other ways badly prejudices Israel’s ability to ever negotiate a fair deal.

    Obama and his mouthpieces trying to justify their failure to exercise a veto is disingenuous, if not an outright lie as is their denying they had anything to do with bringing this resolution to the floor of the UNSC for a vote is beyond belief.

    Then again, lying comes easy to Obama, even when he knows people know he is lying. Then again he knows he can count on the liberal-left MSM to try to cover for him and soften the lie, if they can’t cover it up altogether.

    I am sick and angry about this ugly anti-Israel turn of events orchestrated by the petty, vindictive and malicious bigoted anti-semite Obama.

    I do hope Trump and Republicans respond by cutting all funding not only directly to the radical Islamist Muslim Jew-Israel hating Palestinians, but also to that Jew-Israel hating UN organization, UNRWA.

    *****
    U.S. ABSTAINS AS U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL PASSES RESOLUTION AGAINST ISRAEL

    Dennis Ross warned that the United States would keep Israel spinning and then would abstain when the resolution came to a vote at the Security Council.
    This resolution opens Israel to additional negative UN “ findings”[see Goldstone Report & UNESCO Reports] and UN resolutions containing sanctions and to adverse action at the World Court.
    In view of the Obama administration having cut off resupply to Israel during the Gaza war and the Obama administration having embargoed Ben-Gurion airport [based on spurious safety concerns] this raises serious questions relating to whether Israel can trust it’s security by procuring the F 35 which makes Israel dependent upon continuous US support for missions planning and for re-supply logistics.

    *****
    United States on Friday abstained as the United Nations Security Council passed a resolution that severely criticizes Israeli settlement construction in land claimed by Palestinians.
    The measure — the first the Security Council has adopted on Israel and Palestine in roughly eight years — has been the subject of much furor .
    The Obama administration earlier on Friday furiously denied allegations that it has been promoting the U.N. resolution.
    Israel had demanded that President Barack Obama’s government veto the measure. The issue is especially sensitive because Obama’s relations with Israel have long been strained and the US abstention is widely viewed as “payback” by President Obama for Prime Minister Netanyahu’s active opposition to the Obama administration’s nuclear deal with Iran.
    Ahead of the potential Friday vote, a senior Obama administration official denied media reports that the U.S. was orchestrating the resolution and by implication betraying its longtime ally.
    “To be clear: from the start, this was an Egyptian resolution. The Egyptians authored it, circulated it, and submitted it for a vote on Wednesday evening before asking for a delay and subsequently removing their sponsorship,” the official said in a statement. “A group of other Security Council members, not including the United States, is now moving forward the Egyptian text.”
    The official went on: “Contrary to some claims, the administration was not involved in formulating the resolution nor have we promoted it. We have not communicated to any U.N. Security Council members how the United States would vote if the resolution comes before the U.N. Security Council.”
    Democratic and Republican lawmakers had urged the Obama administration to veto the resolution, which they say is unfair to Israel and will undermine the long-stalled peace process between the Israelis and Palestinians even more. Obama and his aides have long decried Israel’s construction of settlements in the West Bank and other areas, arguing they undermine promises that the Palestinians will be allowed to one day have their own country. Pro-Israel observers worry that by allowing the resolution to pass this time, Obama is taking a parting shot at Netanyahu, with whom he has chilly relations.
    Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-NY) on Friday had renewed his call for the U.S. to veto the resolution, saying that Congress and the Trump administration should cut off funds to the Palestinian Authority if it passed.
    “This is an [anti-Semitic], anti-Jewish, anti-Israel resolution. If this resolution passes, Congress and President-elect Trump should cut all foreign aid to the Palestinian Authority,” Zeldin, a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee said in a statement.

  37. from the same haaretz link:

    Analysis: UNSC resolution won’t have practical repercussions on Israel in short term

    Analysis: The Security Council resolution will not have any practical repercussions on Israel in the short term. It does not include any coercive mechanisms or sanctions on those who do not implement it, other than the quarterly reports by the UN Secretary General to the council on the status of building in the settlements.
    The resolution was passed under Section 6 of the UN Charter, which means that it is non-binding and constitutes a public declaration of purpose and a recommendation only. It is a diplomatic message to Israel that encapsulates the international consensus regarding settlements.
    For the resolution to be binding and to enable enforcement or the imposition of sanctions, by the international community, it would need to be passed under Section 7 of the UN Charter.
    (Barak Ravid)

    its time for a change of paradigm

  38. those that continue to stalk the jews deserve to be slaughtered by the muslims… and suffer any other horrendous fate.
    When venezuelans starve I have no sympathy
    When new zealand suffers, as it will, I will know why.
    this is why europe is falling apart and suffering from the muslims and the russian bear.
    every nation who voted for those sanctions will suffer… and we shall know why. Let us not be sympathetic when they do.
    I wish the same suffering for Russia and China

  39. the pals pushing for this is a complete breach of the unilateral taboo in Oslo
    All the members of the road map have breached that agreement and rendered it null and void.
    Israel should state the abandonment of all prior agreements which have now been completely rendered worthless.
    every one who voted for the resolution should be banned from any pariticipation in any peace talks.
    Jews who support BDS and are anti zionist or anti Israel should be banned from Israel and making aliya

  40. what are those shameless jews who support and vote for the democratic party and obama saying now, the same ones who libeled and slandered trump, filthy swine like schumer and sanders…..
    after all their stinking lies it was Trump who stood up for the Jews…..
    Trump is the one who stood up for Israel..
    Jews should stop supporting the nazi muslim dem party and leftists everywhere… as they all seek to destroy the Jewish homeland.
    I will support nothing that is good for europe or the left even though I have some leftist beliefs… may a pinochet arise to round them up and disappear the bastards. Its not just obama.
    From now on I support the complete destruction of the UN, Nato and Seato… no more support for all these hanger ons that give nothing to the US… let russia and the muslims burn europe and the arab muslim nations. May all the enemies slaughter each other…
    meanwhile Israel talks about treating syrians in their hospitals…
    screw them all.

    so where is BB now, whats his plan, is he going to whine and cajole, or perhaps come up with some empty declaration full of noise and symbolism amounting to nothing?
    If he has no plan ready then he is a worthless loser…..
    If he has a plan ready but it relies on others then he is a worthless loser…
    If he has a plan that does not slap the face of the UN by settling all of YS, restricting access to Israel of all BDS and anti semites, deporting all polluting anti semites from the land… then he is a worthless loser.
    Begging and whining to others is now a proven failure just like land for peace…….
    Israel needs a real leader not another one whose whole being depends on what others think or want.
    lets see his plan… lets see how he deals with this…. from this we can know if he will ever be a real leader for the Jews. He needs to do something paradigm changing now, unilateral action, kick over the table and rub the anti semites faces in shit.

  41. According to the Breitbart article, there were several different resolutions. The first one by Egypt was withdrawn under pressure from Trump. Senate Republicans have vowed to retaliate against the UN and the voters with funding cuts. Question is though whether these resolutions are binding or non-binding and what are the implications if the latter of Israel just telling them to take this resolution and shove it. Kind of a New Year’s resolution. And also Times of Israel

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-vows-change-in-un-strategy-as-american-politicians-blast-vote/

  42. The UN lives in deBlasio’s Sanctuary City, where History is homeless.

    China occupied and Sinicizes Tibet; Russia occupied and Russifies Finnish Karelia; yet the only “facts on the ground” that count is when a Jew’s home is in Judea.

    (only noting the hypocrisy of China and Russia as permanent members of the UNSC, who should have vetoed this resolution to avoid same charade against them. Yes, Turkey occupies part of Cyprus, but the Turks have also been occupying Anatolia for more than 500 years, and look at how that turned out)

    Obama44’s revenge is as much about Trump45 as Israel.

  43. I am shocked. I did not expect this.

    I thought Trump had killed it.

    I though pressure from Trump and Netanyahu (on Egypt) had killed the Resolution.

    Why did New Zealand get on board with this?

    New Zealand, Venezuela, Malaysia and Senegal give Cairo deadline to decide if it will reintroduce resolution shelved after heavy pressure from Israel,
    Trump

    What is wrong with NZ?

    When Truman was pro-Israel, the State Department rebelled and refused to vote the way Truman wanted.

    I am shocked that no one at the US UN Delegation resigned in protest at this new vote.

    Wow! The US State Department is ever Arabist.

    Israel may have no choice but to leave the UN. This was a really nasty manuever, and it will have legal consequences – if one accepts the legality of the UN.

    BDS has just been given a major battle flag.

    Trump will find a truly malarial swamp at the State Department. Think Hercules cleaning the Aegean Stables.