I really hope you won’t get the jab (of course, it is just my opinion).
The increase in infections from the middle of September to the middle of March will be because of the seasonal flu (why do you think they are keeping the PCR test valid ’til next year?)
I don’t know anybody among my neighbors and relatives (although I am not very sociable so I don’t know many people) who had COVID or died of COVID but I know about 2 people who died of the vaccine (a neighbor’s elderly relative, and another neighbor’s friend’s son, 19 yo from seizures the same day (Pfizer)), and one elderly who is now very sick (formerly very healthy) now 3 months after the jab (Moderna) can’t eat, can’t get up, doctors (the medical businessmen) can’t find anything.
Many children are very well meaning but…
It’s upwards, Edgar. I’m 6’6″. I’m losing weight, though — down from 22 stone 7 a few months ago, and still dropping. I saw a joke recently:
“It’s not a ‘Dad Bod’ — it’s a ‘Father Figure’ 🙂 .
MICHAEL S. Did you say TWENTY STONE….280 lb. That’s twice my weight , even a little more. You must be a very big man, 6’4″ about, (I hope it’s upwards not outwards). Your wife, being an RN, should keep you in good shape. You didn’t chose Judaism, but chose well otherwise. May it continue.
It seems inevitable that we are all going to have to get a vaccine. If you’ve been reading my posts to Peloni, you know the situation..
I hate needles worse than poison, since age 12, stemming from a 3 week course, every second day, of a serum made from coughed up phlegm. I used to get bronchitis at the end of every August, but it always cleared up by the new school year -no matter how hard I tried to stay sick. Anyway that put me off injections for life….until, NOW…. I have no choice.
Does anyone know an actual marker that has serious improvement following the 3rd jab in Israel? This is a serious question. I have been watching for the benefit of the 3rd jab program but two months out I still don’t see any benefit. Deaths are holding at 24/day. The severe cases are up, serious cases are up, and critical cases are up. Even the total hospitalizations are holding steady. The only improvement that I see is the new severe cases has mildly dropped from ~100/day last month to ~85/day but the total severe cases are actually nearly unchanged, which is a disturbingly meager change. Where is the success that the 3rd jab was to bring. Those most at risk were jabbed on July 30, nearly two months ago. I see no gains here. The active cases may be dropping, but active cases includes non-symptomatic testing which has 90% false positves. Where are the serious gains against severe, serious, critical cases and death? These are the areas which the jab is supposedly(uhem) showing a benefit. This is a serious question, and not rhetorical in the least. If anyone has any input here I would greatly appreciate the info on a sizeable gain against this outbreak.
***Israel continues to increase in the deaths/M(814) with their rising number of 3shot public, as India, a nation which has a fraction of 2shot citizens, remains quite idle in deaths/M(319) with a shotty healthcare system and lesser vaccines.***
Scott Gottlieb, the former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), admitted during an interview on Face the Nation that the six foot social distancing rule recommended by public health officials for months on end was actually “arbitrary in and of itself,” and he noted that “nobody knows where it came from.”
Speaking with Face the Nation’s Margaret Brennan, Gottlieb discussed the rules and risks early in the pandemic, explaining that the Trump administration shifted its focus to the impact lockdowns and rules would have on the economy and children.
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Impact on the economy, that the costs were worse than the disease,” he said, explaining that schools were a “perfect example of the lack of effective policymaking.”
“So the single reason why most schools remained shut was because the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) was telling them they had to keep kids six feet apart,” he said.
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“The six feet was arbitrary in and of itself, nobody knows where it came from,” he said. “The initial recommendation that the CDC brought to the White House and I talk about this was 10 feet, and a political appointee in the White House said we can’t recommend 10 feet.”
“Nobody can measure 10 feet. It’s inoperable. Society will shut down. So the compromise was around six feet. Now imagine if that detail had leaked out. Everyone would have said this is the White House politically interfering with the CDC’s judgment,” he continued.
“The CDC said 10 feet, it should be 10 feet, but 10 feet was no more right than six feet and ultimately became three feet. But when it became three feet, the basis for the CDC’s decision to ultimately revise it from six to three feet was a study that they had conducted the prior fall.
So they changed it in the spring. They had done a study in the fall where they showed that if you have two masked individuals, two people wearing masks, the risk of transmission is reduced 70% with masks if you’re three feet apart[total nonsense].
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Those decisions, he added, easily undermine Americans’ confidence in advice from public health officials.
“This is how the whole thing feels arbitrary and not science-based. So we talk about a very careful, science-based process and these anecdotes get exposed, and that’s where Americans start to lose confidence in how the decisions got made,” he added.
Even in March, the former US FDA Chief Scott Gottlieb said that the social distancing rule followed worldwide is not based on science.
“This six-foot distancing requirement has probably been the single costliest mitigation tactic that we’ve employed in response to COVID … and it really wasn’t based on clear science. … We should have re-adjudicated this much earlier,” he said.
Meanwhile, according to a new nationwide study almost half of those hospitalized with COVID-19 have mild or asymptomatic cases. The study shows how a pandemic was created on the myth of COVID Hospitalizations.
According to leaked NHS data more than half of those hospitalized with Covid-19 in the UK only tested positive after admission to the hospital.
@Adam
Bravo! Every political influence begins at a local level. This is the very purpose of democracy. Thanks for sharing, and thanks for acting.
Something just happened to me that has warmed my heart and boosted my morale.While taking a walk along Main Street, I just passed by and briefly joined a demonstration in my home town–a small town in Orange County NY–oppositng compulary vaccinations and demanding freedom of choice for both physicians and patients. The demonstrators also waved American flags and denounced the drift towards communism is Washington.
HOW COVID AFFECTS MEN’S SEXUAL HEALTH
Wednesday, September 22, 2021
National Geographic
By Victoria Jaggard, SCIENCE executive editor
There’s no shortage of misinformation out there about the coronavirus, and some of the most pernicious claims swirl around vaccines and fertility. With apologies to Nicki Minaj, there is no credible scientific evidence that any of the COVID-19 vaccines cause impotence. However, there is now a wealth of data that shows getting infected with this virus can cause erectile dysfunction and other reproductive health problems for men.
Crucially, getting a vaccine is not the same thing as contracting a disease. Vaccines are designed to provoke an antibody response, and the ones approved or authorized for use in the U.S. don’t even contain dead or weakened versions of the virus. They instead use pieces of its genetic material to train the body’s immune system. (Pictured above, a man getting a rapid COVID-19 test.)
By contrast, coming down with COVID-19 allows the virus to replicate in your cells, and as Sharon Guynup reports this week, several studies show that the SARS-CoV-2 virus can invade tissues in the penis and testicles. As it happens, the testicles are a perfect hideout for a variety of viruses because they are immunologically privileged body parts, meaning they are shielded from the immune system. Once COVID-19 invades this region, it can hang out there indefinitely. “This may explain why 11 percent of men hospitalized with COVID-19 suffered testicular pain,” Guynup writes.
Other studies have found that men seem to be six times more likely to develop brief or long-term erectile dysfunction after contracting the virus. That’s likely because the coronavirus is known to attack blood vessels all over the body, and the penis relies on blood vessels to maintain an erection. Cells also become oxygen-deprived when blood vessels narrow, which means the surrounding tissues become inflamed and the vessels lose elasticity. “No oxygen, no sex,” says Emmanuele A. Jannini, a professor at the Tor Vergata University of Rome.
These kinds of health repercussions can be difficult to track because patients may be embarrassed or self-conscious. And it can be tough to report on them and not invite readers to dissolve into giggles with an unintentional pun. But this is serious science that deserves to be taken seriously. According to the New England Journal of Medicine, 10 percent to 30 percent of people infected with the virus—at least 42 million cases in the U.S. and 226 million worldwide—experience a range of ongoing symptoms collectively called long COVID. People can develop these debilitating symptoms even after a mild or asymptomatic infection. And the list includes several reproductive health problems for men, from sexual dysfunction and swollen testicles to mental health issues that decrease arousal.
Research is still in progress, and plenty of unknowns remain. But it’s clear enough by now that if you care about your reproductive health, you should be more worried about getting the virus than the vaccine. “The plausible relationship between COVID-19 and erectile dysfunction is one more reason for the unvaccinated to get their shots,” Jannini says. “If they want to have sex, better to get the vaccine.”
@Michael
Oh, they are aware. That is a large part of the problem in Australia where the TGA got the legislative body to outlaw a doctor’s ability to prescribe IVM in order to stop them from doing it. I quite admire the Australians. Very impressive sense of what their govt is doing to them and a powerful resistance to letting them do it. There was a major legal victory against the vaccines in Australia recently as well, which should give us all some hope, not too much, but some.
Also, for full disclosure Australia doesn’t have any deaths in the country, same is true in New Zealand. Their persistence at stamping out this disease while persecuting their public should be a lesson for us all.
The over-obsessive attention to antibodies is ignoring the real question of how the vaccines perform. Recall that the cell mediated portion of the immune system, not antibodies, is routinely essential to combating viral disease – I have mentioned it a few times of late, because it is a pivotal importance and relates to the findings of Dr. Cole and others. Meanwhile, we didn’t pay billions and now trillions of dollars to turn us each into antibody factories. The emphasis on vaccine efficacy should be on how many people are dying. But if you choose your subjects, as they have been doing, as those who are not overly sensitive to Covid, well no one dies, and that won’t look too impressive on the result comparison between the vaccines and the placebo or between two vaccines. Death and severe illness – this is where the real focus needs to be to judge efficacy. Not antibodies or visits to the hospital.
And while we keep being distracted by this vaccine efficacy topic, no one is pursuing the real tragedy of vaccine safety. Every person who dies from vaccine safety was killed by someone injecting an experimental drug into them. Every family whose suffered a member of their family being permanently injured was harmed due to an experimental drug injected into them. Don’t we at least want to know what all of these safety harms are and which of these vaccines are really associated with the worse adverse effects and which has the highest prevalence? There are 700K tragedies listed in VAERS. 20K are permanent disabilities. 15K are dead. Society and not the disease did this to them. Don’t we want to know more about this facet of the vaccines. After 10months, I think we need to know more than the nothing we have been shown regarding safety.
Peloni,
“Australia has ~3X more deaths from vaccines than Covid.”
I wish the Australian people were aware of this. That country has become a sewer of human rights abuses by the medical dictatorship and police.
@Michael
I did some graduate research in Zn/Cd uptake in metallothionein
Very interesting, and important work. The trade-off between Zn and Copper absorption is very important in many diseases and treatments, while Cd is highly toxic and carcinogenic. You probably know all that, though given your background. MTs are related to oxidative stress too as I recall, correct me if I am wrong. Interesting stuff. I always quite enjoyed the biochemical relationships between physiology, disease and medicine.
I nearly went into biochemical research myself, but went toward medicine instead. I really enjoyed the mystery and challenges of research, but hated working with human research complications. Such headaches and delays…with a keen interest in the research being pursued, I recall wondering why they couldn’t streamline things to move more quickly. Well, today we know what happens when you do, unfortunately.
Researchers studied more than 3,000 people hospitalized between March and August. And found the Moderna vaccine was 93% effective at keeping people out the hospital and that protection appears to be holding steady.
The Pfizer vaccine’s protection fell from 91% effective to 77%. The Johnson and Johnson vaccine was 71% effective.
The study was based on 3,689 subjects to compare 3 vaccines, which is a smaller sample size than I would have preferred and the results of the study and the authors of the study both support my statement to this effect.
The findings in this report are subject to at least six limitations. First, this analysis did not consider children, immunocompromised adults, or VE against COVID-19 that did not result in hospitalization. Second, the CIs for the Janssen VE estimates were wide because of the relatively small number of patients who received this vaccine. …. Finally, antibody levels were measured at only a single time point 2–6 weeks after vaccination and changes in antibody response over time as well as cell-mediated immune responses were not assessed.
-They under-powered, or had too small a test group, for the J&J portion of the study which gave it a wide variance in the data, ie, it needs to be redone with a larger group to get a tighter set of data to obtain better estimates, and smaller confidence-interval.
-ignored children entirely, which seem both curious and relavent.
-ignored all safety data associated with the different vaccines.
-ignored the cell mediated immune response which is routinely the part of the immune system involved in responding to viral infections.
-no separation of efficacy based on age groups whichis important.
There are two parts of concern with a vaccine – safety and efficacy. This study only considered the efficacy and ignored the safety entirely. Choosing a vaccine, like choosing a car, should be about more than just the gas mileage – it is an important a truly factor, but not the only factor, especially when the recovery without treatment or vaccine is 99.7%.
The repeated tendency to ignore all consideration of the hundreds-of-thousands of immunologic/cardiovascular/neurological safety-issues associated with the vaccines is concerning. The high-risk groups should be more concerned with efficacy, because their risk with dying from Covid is higher, for instance, people who are >75yrs have a risk, depending on the data set, of dying at a rate of 25% or higher. Children have 0% chance of death. Someone 35years old with no comorbidity should have well below <0.03% of death.
So when we choose a vaccine, we should consider the safety issues associated with the vaccine choice. If they have any serious adverse-events in any high occurrence – which they do(https://www.bitchute.com/video/KwlZU198oGpT/) – we should be alarmed and concerned about which vaccine has the best safety score more so than which vaccine has the higher antibody levels – recall the people outside the high-risk group really have nearly no risk of dying from Covid without the vaccine and without treatment – well below 0.03%.
As an example, Australia has ~3X more deaths from vaccines than Covid. Pretty alarming, but it brings the topic of vaccine safety into perspective. We should not have more problems from the vaccines than the virus, but if we don't look at the safey issues, well… While we ignore vaccine safety, even as we pursue more effective vaccines, we should ask if we don't want to maximize safety and efficacy together in a fair review. The object is to live thru this without killing ourselves from the virus or the vaccines. Treatment would be a good choice, but the shareholders still say no, so here we are.
Hi, Edgar. Thanks for the advice re zinc. I did some graduate research in Zn/Cd uptake in metallothionein, but had to drop out because of unrelated health issues. My wife’s an RN, who has done quite a bit of continuing education in these matters. She’s been doing a good job with the supplements. She has me on 10mg, like you; but at 20 stone, I imagine I could tolerate considerably more. I have been a fan of Vitamin E since the ’70s, and I believe it helps keep my dupuytrens under control. The Mrs. gives me 90 mg. q.d. She’s working right now on trying to get the Ivermectin ordered.
Peloni, thanks for the heads up on monoclonal antibodies. My hen read that if I ever find myself in the hospital with the flu or coof, I should immediately request hospice status to get around the admissions Catch-22. (All these snafus seem to point to Gates and Fauci enriching themselves. May God reward them with their own medicine.)
When people resort to name calling or insults it shows their inability to make a intelligent rational argument.
What’s with all these lame, encyclopedic posts? At this late date, if you don’t see what’s what, the mass psychosis has done it’s job.
Researchers studied more than 3,000 people hospitalized between March and August. And found the Moderna vaccine was 93% effective at keeping people out the hospital and that protection appears to be holding steady.
The Pfizer vaccine’s protection fell from 91% effective to 77%. The Johnson and Johnson vaccine was 71% effective.
Instead of practicing medicine online without a license, I will link an article from the Yale School of Medicine on the Subject.
Comparing the COVID-19 Vaccines: How Are They Different?
BY KATHY KATELLA September 17, 2021
Although each vaccine is unique, all of them offer strong protection against severe disease.
In the United States, the highly transmissible Delta variant is driving an uptick in COVID-19 cases, primarily among the unvaccinated. But the good news is, as the weeks pass, more reports have been coming out about the effectiveness of the vaccines that are in use and the potential of those still in development. So, how do they differ?
It’s important to keep up, but it’s also a daunting task, given the flood of information (and misinformation) coming at us from so many directions.
Vaccines from Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson are being administered in the U.S. right now, and others are on track to do the same.
Anyone who becomes ill with Covid, whether you have been vaccinated or not, should request the use of the monoclonal antibodies, but do it as early as possible. Also, if you become admitted to the hospital, the CDC/NIH won’t allow it to be given to you. McCullough sent a patient to the hospital as an out-patient to receive the antibodies and they screwed up and admitted him and he could not get the antibodies, not because he didn’t need them, but because he was admitted to the hospital. This isn’t new, but it seems some were unaware of this detail.
Michael, I’ve noted that one must be careful about too much Zinc. My multi supplement includes about 10 mg. Plus whatever I get in food, and my bloodwork says I’m O K. with that..
I’ve never been able to be certain about maximum doses in any one Vit.
Do you remember the Shute Brothers, who used to cure heart disease patients with massive doses of Vit E, 40-50,000 units. They were actually the pioneers for the present widespread use of manufactured Vitamins. In their day the HUGE battle over this Vitamin use would be comparable to the controversy today over the Vaccines.
It makes a very interesting read. It was localised to Canada but FIERCE. Reminded me of Semmelweiss beating his head against a stone wall of ignorance and tradition
@Edgar
I am glad you received it, and I hope it helps. Your seems daughter is well informed and I should have noted the prior use of the adenovirus model used by J&J and AZ, which gives it some established history over the mRNA. At this point, I would caution against the boosters. The adverse effects are likely to be significant as they were against the initial injections. They will of course hide any poor outcomes, as they have since the Dec rollout, but with time these thing will be recognized.
Peloni,
“As I am sure most of us have done a bit of research on these jabs, I am curious if anyone else would add their thoughts as to which they think is the better or worse and why.”
We have an emergency stock of horse Ivermectin. I want us to begin prophylactic human Ivermectin ASAP, but my supplier has been dragging her heels in ordering it. We also keep pumped up on Zn, Vitamin D, etc.
We are avoiding ALL the experimental drugs currently being pushed by the govt. They are all far more dangerous than any benefit they offer. Some good friends shun us because we have not been jabbed This can’t be avoided. many of our friends and family members have gotten the COV 19 flu and recovered. Being “inoculated” seems to have had little effect. One friend, a few years older than me, got sick for about a month, but is glad he chose not to allow himself to be jabbed.
Thank you Peloni. I emailed Ted and asked him to forward your emails to me. I also said my problem was that I could not cut and paste. He explained to me how it was done, and part of what he said actually worked, at least the box showed cut and link etc, but when I tried to proceed the whole blued part disappeared, time after time ,.. So for the present I hope he will just forward your emailed posts.
TED I hope you’re you listening in-
My daughter has a background in a half completed psychology degree. She is highly intelligent and competent. I’m concerned about the AZ but she says that they use Viral Vector Tech which has been proven in other vaccines for many years.
That the mRNA tech is fantastic but the lack of longitudinal data bars it her personally.
So it looks as if she prefers the safest product over the best protection. She says being young mitigates against many of the known dangers, and her risk is about 1/50,000. I haven’t the tools to discuss with her. But after our stringent precautions for the past 20 months, it looks as if we’re bound to get it, as the area is having a huge increase in infections, the last Canadian outpost as it were. Which means me too. It has become too risky for me to hold out longer. I will go with Moderna. You say a 1 jab vaccine. Any booster later??
I just got your posts from Ted, so thank you both.
I hope we ALL come through this safely and without any lingering effects P.G.
@Edgar
Ok, I sent it. I also added this post.
Before I forget, tell her to make sure to keep her Vitamin D levels up. It is very important for a number of reasons.
They did pull J&J and AstraZeneca, both, due to large blood clots, but it never made any sense. Thousands of people have died due to each of the jabs for multiple reasons including clots and they pulled J&J and AZ. A bit of cognizant dissonance or financial interests involved if you ask me. The blood clots were a very disturbing(lethal) form, but all of the jabs create clots that killed people. It should have been enough to have all of them pulled off the market, but instead they just added the clots to the warning label associated with the vaccines and kept selling their products. To be clear again, I don’t think J&J is safe nor any of them, so don’t take that from my comments. J&J and AZ both create large clots and this causes problems with platelets. The mRNA causes micro clots that clog up the arteries in the lungs. This is why I advised the blood thinner therapy via an experienced and willing doctor, but from your comments I see this is not likely. I don’t know how best to advise her beyond what I shared. The shots all have risks, deadly risks associated with them. In truth, everyone who gets these shots should be monitored for myocarditis and placed on blood thinners while monitoring D-Dimers or other blood markers for clots. And there are many issues beyond the clots associated with the vaccines, though these are among the most concerning.
The efficacy is a point of discussion that is not easily discerned between the vaccines due to the crap data and the different brands rarely compared in studies side by side. They did just do a comparative study between Pfizer, Moderna and J&J, but they cheated J&J with a much smaller group of subjects and the data for J&J really needs to be done with more test subjects as the findings were not very certain. Let her know that the antibody titers are not indicative of protection as many think. The relevance of the antibodies can not be related to health or protection, unfortunately. In fact, the Tcells which have nothing(mostly) to do with antibodies are the part of the immune system that responds to most viral infections, not antibodies(general rule, but not universally true). The antibodies cause lots of problems, potentially. You can tell her to look up Tcell senescence and Tcell High-load Tolerance, if she has a science background. These are very concerning issues which is why I would not suggest her getting either of the 2-shot jabs(Pfizer and AZ).
I hope this helps you and your daughter. Sometimes I fear I am giving too much info so if you have any questions, always ask.
PELONI-
Thank you very much. I have this to say. We have socalized medicine here, and even to gat a dr. appt takes weeks and a specialist many months. it’s like voodoo med. As an extra her doctor just retired and will not be replaced as they have no new doctors coming in. She will have to go to a walk in clinic and try to see the same Dr. each time, not usually successful. “quackery at work”… I’ve spoken o her about getting Ivermectin and HCQ several times but her answer is always the same. The doctors here will NOT prescribe it.
So we are in a bind. I thought the J&J was more dangerous for clots, and far less efficient.. Have I been getting false info?? I thought it was stopped, at least temporarily from use in the US. She says that AZ contains vectors which are used in other vaccines successfully for many years. I wish I could have hhr read your post. But she hardly reads the articles I send being so very busy, with family and a recently acquired full time job needing university study as well. I don’t know how to cut & paste.
Could you do me another favour and send your posts 1&2 to TED, asking him to email them to me. I will email TED and confirm, right away. I hope you can do this.
And again, thank you most kindly. I had already just about decided that if I MUST get a vaccine to choose Moderna. My son had COVID last Feb felt rotten for about ten days, treated it with Tylenol and booze. I don’t think he knew at the time that it was the virus but a bad flu. So a month ago he got his first Vaccine shot. He should be more immune having had the virus and the shot should be like a booster.
Who knows…nobody here.
As I am sure most of us have done a bit of research on these jabs, I am curious if anyone else would add their thoughts as to which they think is the better or worse and why. Again, I don’t advocate any, but rather treatment if you can get it and if you can avoid the mandates. But I am curious of other voices on this topic, if any would be interested in sharing their thoughts.
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Also, as Bear noted, Pfizer fails to be protective more readily than Moderna in any case. It is also believed that Pfizer seems to have a higher myocarditis index than Moderna at the moment – I can’t say this is factually certain as the studies are mostly crap using cheap diagnostics and relatively small sample sizes, of course, but it is where things look currently. So if I were to choose a mRNA vax, I would choose Moderna. It has the best ‘efficacy’ when done in a common trial with Pfizer and J&J which should show a relative consistent comparison even with the crap data games. There is an issue of concern about the mRNA shots that could result in the code being smuggled into the DNA of some of her cells. It definitely isn’t certain, but it is a real possibility which none of the trials have looked at, and it could answer why some people have spike floating in their blood months later. In any case, I mention this because if she takes Ivermectin, it will prevent this from occurring and also might protect her against some of the harms of the shot. She should reach out to a doctor that actually treats Covid to discuss this further, but it is what I would do if I were to take an mRNA shot.
That being said, I would not choose Moderna due to the fact that it is a mRNA jab and the safety issues favor the J&J shots, slightly. One caveat to this choice is that if your daughter is using birth control or anticipating doing so, she can not take the J&J. Also, if she is on birth control, she can’t stop taking it and take the J&J as there is some delay and it has not been determined. The birth control, you may know accelerates large clot formation with J&J. So if she is on birth control or anticipates doing so, or previously was on it in the recent past, I would choose Moderna.
Whichever she chooses, she will have to find a physician who will help monitor her D-dimer levels, a good indicator of blood clots when elevated, though not the only test, it is the one I believe most are employing to follow the clotting issues. She should also maintain a blood thinner regimen as long as she showing elevations in D-dimer levels. If she finds a doctor who treats Covid, he should be knowledgeable about this issue and the choice of anti-clot medications. On that note, if he suggests baby aspirin, tell her to find another doctor as baby aspirin won’t work and he should know this – just a thought.
I hope this helps. Convey any questions she or you have, and I will be happy to respond as best I can. It is a difficult choice, and many will likely disagree with my thoughts here, but my best advice on the shots is that anyone taking them actually survive the experience, ie I am more concerned with safety, and hence my explanation of my choice of J&J over Moderna and both of these over AZ and Pfizer. But Moderna has the best efficacy…based on the garbage we are using as data.
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@Edgar
Ok. First the disclaimer. None of these vaccines are safe and likely they are all less than effective. The efficacy data was screwed up and includes all manner of diseases such as cancers, heart disease, kidney disease, flu, everything – and it is all in this pot that they call Covid. So Covid is not really a disease as it is a motled assortment of diseases and physiologic problems, some with the Covid virsus superimposed upon it and others not. So the efficacy of the shots and the safety findings are all contaminated with outliers and non-disease patients as well. So, when we look at the data, we see so many differing problems, one researcher found over 10K distinctly different safety issues listed in VAERS, a consequence of the @#$%^^& PCR test. The consequence of this is that old teaching rule I was taught on my first day in volunteering in a small medical lab – Garbage in =Garbage out. Everything we know is cooked and everytime we have an opportunity to find the real answers, they pull another joker out of their sleeve. It fools some, but the result is the inconsistency in results and safety issues.
So, with that being said, when we look at this garbage that used to be called medicine and now resembles something more like witchcraft, I have considered this question and discussed it with family friends and a few clinician friends, a few still employed and one recently fired. I don’t want to over represent my input. I have studied these matters at length, but many/most likely have as well. I have a strong background in the medical field and can read the literature without confusion or intimidation that many will experience, including some in the medical field. I have had some experience on administration of trials and the research prep as well, so many of the pot holes and speed bumps are less mysterious to me. So, I will give my opinion, but that is what it is, and many will likely disagree with both my emphasis and my choice, but I will explain my thoughts so you can judge for yourself and discuss it with your daughter.
Now, the jab of choice…I am not sure if your daughter is looking for the best protection or the safest product. These are not the same thing, and you don’t get everything you want in a single choice – a common point of occurrence in medicine.
I would stay away from the two shot vaccines, which would be the AZ and Pfizer. this is due to a complication of white blood cell(Tcell) tolerance – a very complicated but serious dilemma that has not been fleshed out and may be related to the effect of having had a second shot(This could also result from having had a single shot after having recovered from the Covid disease). So I would not take either AZ or Pfizer based on this fact – if it proves true, the immune system will be compromised for some time and perhaps permanently, but more likely it will return at some point, though there is not a lot of knowledge on this, like everything Covid. If it is actually really happening, and I think it might be, people will develop increased occurence of infections, any infection not just Covid, due to decrease activity of the white blood cells(Tcels). So I would choose Moderna or J&J.
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Interesting – Moderna is more effective than Pfzier vaccine after 120 days
Data collected from 18 states between March and August suggest the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine reduces the risk of being hospitalized with COVID-19 by 91% in the first four months after receiving the second dose. Beyond 120 days, however, that vaccine efficacy drops to 77%.
Meanwhile, Moderna’s vaccine was 93% effective at reducing the short-term risk of COVID-19 hospitalization and remained 92% effective after 120 days.
Overall, 54% of fully vaccinated Americans have been immunized with the Pfizer shot.:
Moderna vaccine seemed to elicit higher levels of a key antibody than the Pfizer vaccine. Moderna vaccine in one dose is 100 micrograms and Pfzier is 30 Micrograms per dose.
“We know from other studies the neutralizing antibody levels will decay over time, so starting at a higher level will mean that you have farther to go before you decay to a point where efficacy drops off,” he said.
PELONI…..And please give me reasons..pro or con. Asking a lot I know, but you are a good guy and more competent in this field than others I know . Also seem to have made a specific study of the subject, and have had access to data not generally seen.
PELONI…I have no disinterested person to ask. My daughter is finally being vaccinated soon. She chose Astra Zeneca for a variety of reasons , didn’t want any mRNA vaccines. Vancouver Island, hitherto a low virus area, has now and is now becoming a high virus area. Hospitals say they’re overcrowded and staff dwindling.
MY own non medical but logical icopinion is that they thought they were out of the danger area being an Island. but mine was that the Virus was making its way across Canada from East to West and eventually would engulf our Island. which seems now happening. They were not prepared. Prefabs are easy and plentiful, space the same . it’s the staff which is unprepared and already stressed out and fading away.. Many in hospital beds are not seriously ill and could be at home attended by a visiting nurse. But they aren’t doing this. I was tested 4-5 days age, Negative.
I think decisions are being made by politically appointed ditherers, no first-class minds, but that’s what we have.
I am in that very dangerous bracket, not because of health, but age.
If you had to make a choice…WHICH WOULD YOU CHOSE.
Crimes against humanity have been and are still being committed as off today with this Covid19 catastrophe.
This is from a Project Veritas mailer. There is a video that accompanies it:
Project Veritas released the first video of its COVID vaccine investigative series today featuring an interview with U.S. Health and Human Services [HHS] Insider, Jodi O’Malley, who works as a Registered Nurse at the Phoenix Indian Medical Center in Arizona.
O’Malley told Project Veritas founder James O’Keefe about what has been going on at her federal government facility. She recorded her HHS colleagues discussing their concerns about the new COVID vaccine to corroborate her assertions.
Here are some of the highlights from today’s video:
Dr. Maria Gonzales, ER Doctor, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services: “All this is bullshit. Now, [a patient] probably [has] myocarditis due to the [COVID] vaccine. But now, they [government] are not going to blame the vaccine.”
Dr. Gonzales: “They [government] are not reporting [adverse COVID vaccine side effects]…They want to shove it under the mat.”
Deanna Paris, Registered Nurse, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services: “It’s a shame they [government] are not treating people [with COVID] like they’re supposed to, like they should. I think they want people to die.”
Jodi O’Malley, Insider and Registered Nurse, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services: The COVID vaccine is “not doing what it’s purpose was.”
O’Malley: “I’ve seen dozens of people come in with adverse reactions.”
O’Malley: “If we [government] are not gathering [COVID vaccine] data and reporting it, then how are we going to say that this is safe and approved for use?”
O’Malley: I’m not afraid of blowing the whistle “because my faith lies in God and not man…You know, like what kind of person would I be if I knew all of this — this is evil at the highest level. You have the FDA, you have the CDC, that are both supposed to be protecting us, but they are under the government, and everything that we’ve done so far is unscientific.”
O’Malley: “At the end of the day, it’s about your health, and you can never get that back — and about your freedom, and about living in a peaceful society, and I’m like, ‘no.’ No. This is the hill that I will die on.”
You can watch the video here:
New Myocarditis study. 32 cases of myocarditis in largest case study in the world so far. Study spanned 2months and the median time from vaccination to symptoms was 1.5days – ie very closely associated to the vaccine. Cases were largely in the 18-24 age group. The vaccination center did not have the people vaccinated separated by ages so they could not isolate the number of 18-24 vaccinated to give an accurate rate for the age group. There were 32K cases in all age groups, so there was a 1/1000 rate of myocarditis using all ages, but the 18-24 age group would have been a much higher rate, ie there weren’t 32K people in the 18-24 age group. The normal rate of myocarditis in the region(Canada) for myocarditis is 1/100,000**, so an increase in occurence of myocarditis in the region of 100X or 10,000% increase(wow). This is very very alarming increase.
Prior to Covid there were ~400 cases reported over 25yrs. Since the vaccine rollout there have been 5,765 cases of myocarditis. And these are just the ones reported.
I believe this is related to the report earlier last week which I shared that discussed the alarming number of myocarditis cases hospitalized following vaccination.
This is the first study that I have read that did not include a passage ensuring that vaccinations should continue but instead closed with the following passage:
This is relevant to the ongoing public debate regarding proposals for vaccination of children under the age of 16, in whom the balance of benefit and risk may be more finely balanced(21). Our findings may also contribute to the debate regarding booster vaccine doses in those with prior documented myocarditis episodes. Ongoing monitoring using large scale national reporting systems is essential for both the prevalence and relevance of post-vaccine myocarditis to be truly understood.
I totally agree with the final sentence and can’t believe they have not already done so.
The tragedy grows every week. How is this tolerated??
Autopsies have arrived!! And it isn’t good news.
This is very wierd timing. I complained at length earlier today and within a couple of hours, a German group, who did the first post-vax autopsy last May, released their findings on 40 people who died within 2wks of being vaccinated. They found 1/3 of cases directly linked to the vaccine and have called for further investigation(good luck with that) and a consideration of halting the vaccinations. Germany is 2/3 fully vaccinated.
CAUSE OF DEATH AFTER COVID-19 VACCINATION UNDECLARED COMPONENTS OF THE COVID-19 VACCINES
09/20/2021 16:00 | Contact
At the pathological institute in Reutlingen, the results of the autopsies of eight people who died after the COVID19 vaccination will be presented on Monday, September 20, 2021. The tissue analyzes were carried out by the pathologist Prof. Dr. Arne Burkhardt and Prof. Dr. Walter Lang carried out. The findings confirm the statement made by Prof. Dr. Peter Schirmacher that in more than 40 autopsied corpses that died within two weeks after the COVID-19 vaccination, around a third died causally from the vaccination. As part of the live streamed press conference, microscopic details of the tissue changes will be shown. Prof. Dr. Werner Bergholz reports on the current parameters of the statistical recording of vaccination events.
The result of the analysis of COVID-19 vaccine samples by an Austrian research group will also be presented at the press conference, which corresponds to the findings of scientists from Japan and the USA. Undeclared metal-containing components were found in the vaccine. Vaccine elements are visually striking because of their unusual shape.
The results of the investigation result in legal and political demands, for example, for the authorities to collect information immediately in order to be able to assess the health hazard posed by the population due to the COVID-109 vaccines. For example, by looking at the IVF register, early signals of reduced fertility of the vaccinated can be checked. The cancer registry can be used to gain knowledge about the development of cancer as a result of genetic modifications to the viral RNA. Suspension of COVID-19 vaccinations should be considered.
It is surprising that all the comments still discuss the vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Why people are repeating again and again this word – Vaccine! It’s not a vaccine by definition! It is Gene Treatment, experimental and dangerous. So much time passed since the beginning of this “pandemic”, nothing is hidden – toxic ingredients, unreliable PCR test, mRNA solution’s mechanism of action, adverse reactions and deaths. People who want to know real numbers can go to VAERS, it’s a CDC official site. Use openvaers.com. Even taking into consideration that it shows only 1% of reported cases, statistics is terrible. Why people do not listen to Robert Malone (inventor of mRNA technology), Karry Mullis (Nobel Laureate, who developed PCR test and said that it was not a diagnostic test), former Pfizer VP and Chief Science Officer Michael Yeadon, and many, many other renowned specialists who warn people against these dangerous “vaccines”. Unvaccinated people are dying because they do not receive treatment. Dr. Zelenko testified in front of Israel’s rabbinical court. He successfully treated 6,000 patients including Rudy Giuliani – no one died. I personally know more than 40 people including kids and seniors (96-97 years of age). All of them recovered. At the same time my brother in law got paralyzed after the first Pfizer shot. I know several other people who had severe adverse reactions. And it is just immediate side effect, what about long term consequences? Real scientists think they will be devastating.
The Health ministry said at least 708 patients are currently hospitalized in severe condition, of whom 191 are ventilated. Some 473 of the seriously ill patients (70%) appear to be unvaccinated, 149 are vaccinated with two jabs and 61 received the third booster shot.
Clearly the numbers favor being vaccinated.
FDA-authorized COVID-19 vaccines help protect against Delta and other known variants. These vaccines are effective at keeping people from getting COVID-19, getting very sick, and dying.
Those not vaccinated are getting sicker and/or dying in substantially higher percentages than those vaccinated.
There are 658 patients in serious condition in Israel, compared to 654 a day earlier. UN-vaccinated Israelis – who account for 17 percent of the population eligible for a vaccine – make up about two-thirds of the total number of serious cases.
@Adam
I don’t know if any people who were inoculated are among those who die, but it seems to me inevitable that there would be some individuals who do.
The limit is 50. If 50 people die, the vaccine/drug is pulled off the market. If 5 die, the product is labeled as a Black Box drug, such as metachlopramide and and every ad must state that if you take this product you could die from it. Vaccines have side effects, but not death and not life threatening diseases, or they would be pulled. You should not assume this current policy of tradeoffs between benefits for most and death for the others is routine. It is not. The claim of ‘do no harm’ should be accepted as routine and expected for all.
FYI, the drug Comirnaty, which was recently approved is the same as the Pfizer vax, but it doesn’t even have a Black Box rating…Interesting, right?
@Adam
Not all vaccines give 100% protection.
Of course they don’t. In fact, we have only ever eliminated one virus from the planet via vaccines, smallpox.
But the claim of 95% efficacy was intended to suggest they give a 95% protection. This was of course never demonstrated in the trials as was claimed. But, then, that was not an accident. We didn’t know the efficacy on rollout and we are trying not to find out the efficacy now by playing with the data collection.
The plan for the vaccines was to use them to reach herd immunity by subsidizing natural immunity with vaccine immunity. This is why nations paid trillions of dollars to Pharma and continue to do so. But you can’t reach herd immunity with a poorly performing vaccine. Further, the vaccines have created an escape mutant due to the limited focus of its target, the small spike protein. Vaccines produce protection of at least 50% and for at least 1yr. These Covid vaccines do neither, according to the May clinic the efficacy is now at 42% and the MOH has it at 39%. These are very close estimates by two completely separate groups in two different countries. Still just two data points but in very good agreement. So it isn’t that it doesn’t cure everyone forever, it is that it isn’t performing as a vaccine should, ie prevent an established disease for at least 50% and 1yr duration.
Every year, many people who get the flu shot nevertheless get the flu.
Flu vaccine is different from other vaccines in that it is a rotating mix of anticipated changes in the flu from year to year – they know it won’t perform well, and it never does. The efficacy is calculated following the year’s flu season to see how effective it was. For instance, for 2004-5 the flu season, they calculated after the end of flu season that the flu shot was only ~10% effective(wow). I think the highest the flu shot ever performed was ~60%.
But for a vaccine such as the Varicella vaccine which protects against Chicken pox, it was shown to be 95% effective for 10yrs – ie if 100 children are exposed, only 5 get sick. This is why you don’t take vaccines every 6months or even every year. When was the last vaccine you took? I haven’t had a vaccine since somewhere in the 2000’s and that was travel related. This is because the vaccines are effective and have known efficacy parameters that protect the population by eliminating or limiting the risk to a known level so people can judge if they should choose to take a given vaccine.
The rush of warp speed, which Harvard’s medical Q&A page claims was not rushed, had some bad consequences that many care to ignore. This is why the 95% effective vaccine failed, because it never was 95% effective – which is why they played with the data in the EUA trials. Vaccines are very important to public health, but they can have serious consequences if you trust they are protective when they aren’t or have very short durations, ie 5months is rediculously short. This importance is why Pharma has always had to ‘prove’ their product safe and effective, except with Covid. With that in mind, you can’t expect these vaccines to be perfect, and they aren’t. But we should know if these harms, cited by Cole, are associated with the vax, and we, the lab rats, should be able to look at the real data, without a 14day delay, and judge if we find the benefits helpful or harmful.
Not all vaccines give 100% protection.. Certainly flu vaccines do not. Every year, many people who get the flu shot nevertheless get the flu. Every year, also, some people die of the flu. I don’t know if any people who were inoculated are among those who die, but it seems to me inevitable that there would be some individuals who do.
@Adam
@Bear
The presence of exacerbated levels of cancers is not based on his clinical research, which I was unaware of the actual case number. @Bear, if you know where you saw the number 13, could you share it? I would like to read more on this, and I haven’t seen this level of detail. He noted in another interview that the testing will take a couple more months before his research will be completed. In any case, Cole is a Board Certified Pathologist, he sees autopsies year after year. They screen for increased levels of disease in general, cancers, heart disease, etc. He noted that he found multiple increases in many different types of cancers upto 20X increases in just 7months as compared to what was found in any 12month period over past years, where the cancer levels are pretty steady, so this is very alarming and should be pursued, which is why he is personally funding it. He is donating his time and all of the costs to this end, but needing to do it when he is not working, ie in his spare time. The testing is involved and expensive, and he is doing it while still treating patients and holding his position as a pathologist. The reason for his needing to do this alone is that there is no Federal money for the autopsies to pursue the consequence of the Spike injections. This was his intent to push for Federal support to find out why the increases that he is finding are present. It may be independent of the Spike injections, but if that is true, we should know. Why are they not pursuing autopsies on the thousands and thousands of people dying after the Spike injections?
In any event, Cole is conducting research on the cases he has in his study, and the slides are from those cases. I had assumed the number in his study was slight. Regardless of the number, you should not be finding these inflammatory processes that he is finding, in which the spike is present, at all. The body only functions properly due to its architecture being maintained and the scarring destroys the architecture, and health is lost as a result. Think about if you found a single person died of a brain tumor that you could link to aspirin. That would still be a single case, but it would be a significant finding that should set off all sorts of alarms. This is the point of his slides of the testes, lung, etc. Those findings are alarming in any number.
Also, Dr. Cole is Board Certified in three areas including Pathology, so this speaks to his background, but one study is still just one study and there should be thousands of such clinical reviews taking place….Why aren’t they??? There was a single autopsy in Germany in May that was performed and the findings were alarming as the spike was found in multiple organs. A single autopsy in Germany, how insane is this? So this is why Cole is pursuing his research and paying for it, which will result in the case number being small. Whatever he finds will require further inquiry, and should already have been funded. Pity that it isn’t.
@Bear
only 17% of the Israeli population is NOT vaccinated and they account for 50% of the deaths….I always am more receptive to points by commentators who present a balanced picture.I always am more receptive to points by commentators who present a balanced picture.
Bear, that is not fair. The vaccinated are responsible for half the deaths when they should be responsible for none, not a proportionate amount. Everyone knows that the Israeli public is nearly completely vaccinated via govt fiat. The point that was intended is that the 85-90% of the Israeli public are vaccinated with a vaccine that is failing, a fair statement as this was the reason the iMOH chose their campaign of hope with the 3rd jab.
But again, there should be no vaccinated people dying, as it is safe and effective and we don’t even count the deaths associated with the vaccines for 2wks post-vax. Meanwhile, the unvaccinated have no protection and no treatments, so they should represent 100% of the deaths, not only 50%. By the way, why are the vaccinated dying in any number? The vaccine was intended to render the public immune, 95% effective right? Providing immunity is the sole purpose of every vaccine. The vax has failed that landmark and with time, appears to be failing with increasing numbers, hence the Israeli 3rd jab hope.
You may care to project a bias in my statement, but there was none. I did not note the Israelis are nearly all vaccinated, but we all know this to be the case. To present a balanced picture, it would be a long thread which I will probably pursue this week sometime since it is of interest and it is far more encompassing than the Israeli vaccinated percentages. I could have stated that the vaccinated includes untold numbers of people who were Covid recovered and their immunity is independent of the vaccine. I could also have noted that the vaccinated include a more healthy sector of the public as the poor and heredim disproportionately don’t trust the vaccine. I could have mentioned many things, and to present a balanced picture I would need to do so, but I have mentioned many of these in past comments and it was not my purpose here to revisit all these comparisons, only to note that in the past couple months none of these vital topics raised by Dr. Cole have been considered, even as policies are changing while ignoring these concerns. I regret that you missed the vital message my comment intended, as it is a very important one, I believe. I think if you read my post, you will appreciate this was my topic, not a fair description of the vax which has been covered by many, including myself, at some length and detail in previous threads.
@Adam and the one group he cited by observation had 13 people in it. A very small sample size so overall very unconvincing presentation.
I only ever saw one presentation that made think giving the vaccine to 12 to 17 years was perhaps a mistake since they do not get very ill if they catch Covid and the risks of the vaccine outweighed the potential benefit perhaps.
I have never seen a presentation for older age groups that convinced me of that in fact the opposite. The doctors who advised against vaccinating (one from Harvard and one from Standford) the 12 to 17 years, thought for all older age groups clearly the benefit versus risk was clearly strongly and definitively in favor of getting vaccinated.
Somehow my previous response to Dr. Cole’s talk got deleted.
My point was that Dr. Cole does not provide any statistics concerning hoe many of his own autopsies of vaccinated indiduals who died of dieases that coould have been side> Nor does he provide any data concerning his own autopsies of patients who died of COVID19. His lack of data means that his opinions about the virus and the vaccines are subjective in nature. Still, as an experienced pathologist, his opinions based on his clinical experience, even if they are subjective and have not been quantified, must be treated with respect.
@Peloni only 17% of the Israeli population is NOT vaccinated and they account for 50% of the deaths. If one wants to skew a point they might say that 50% of the deaths are from vaccinated which is 83% of the population.
So if you are UN-vaccinated you stand a much larger chance of dying from Covid.
I always am more receptive to points by commentators who present a balanced picture.
Anyone who has not seen this video MUST watch it. Share it with your friends, family, loved ones and those you don’t even like. The White Coat Summit was held two months ago and we know little more now than we did then, even as the 3rd shots have been unleashed on the Israeli public, where 50% of the Covid dead have been fully inoculated.
Pathologists are always the first to know anything about a disease and they are a great source for any clinician to regarding emerging diseases and treatments. So Dr. Cole is a very important voice in this conversation on the virus and the vax.
The overwhelming response by the FDA regulators who opposed using the shot in the US cited concerns of the myocarditis, but there are soooo many more concerns to add to the myocarditis, toooo many.
Vaccines generate immunity using two methods – antibodies and Tcell responses. Viral protection is not typically due to antibodies, but rather, it is a primary task of the Tcell response. When the antibody levels recede, as they do after every vaccination, at some rate, future protection should stimulate a Tcell response. Even if antibodies are stimulated, they are always produced after the Tcell response. The Tcells are the first responders to every infection and more so with viral infections. So the early vaccine failures support Dr. Coles findings on the Tcells being benched as he put it. They are also the source of keeping established viruses in check, such as shingle among others, which are showing an alarming resurection post-vaccination.
So why are the vaccines failing? Because as the antibody levels drop, new antibodies are not being generated and the Tcells too are failing to respond to the virus after vaccination. Meanwhile, natural immunity continues to provide a strong, robust and durable protection and Tcells don’t appear to be benched as with the vax. This distinction is a vital and sometimes lethal difference that has not been explored, and it is a very concerning topic that is missed by the general discussion on the continued and repeated use of the vax. The potential implications to future infections(especially viral infections) and tumor growth, both of which are the responsibility of the Tcells is terrifying to contemplate, but if we don’t investigate, we will never know as the world is being overwhelmed with dose after dose of this experimental drug that is causing these changes, and who knows what else.
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Russian hacker shows in real time DATA on JABBED PEOPLE uploaded and monitored live. Hmmmmmmm.
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/russian-hacker-proves-vaxxed-people-are-uploading-bio-data-to-ai-computers-24-7/
@Edgar
Hi, Edgar.
I really hope you won’t get the jab (of course, it is just my opinion).
The increase in infections from the middle of September to the middle of March will be because of the seasonal flu (why do you think they are keeping the PCR test valid ’til next year?)
I don’t know anybody among my neighbors and relatives (although I am not very sociable so I don’t know many people) who had COVID or died of COVID but I know about 2 people who died of the vaccine (a neighbor’s elderly relative, and another neighbor’s friend’s son, 19 yo from seizures the same day (Pfizer)), and one elderly who is now very sick (formerly very healthy) now 3 months after the jab (Moderna) can’t eat, can’t get up, doctors (the medical businessmen) can’t find anything.
Many children are very well meaning but…
It’s upwards, Edgar. I’m 6’6″. I’m losing weight, though — down from 22 stone 7 a few months ago, and still dropping. I saw a joke recently:
“It’s not a ‘Dad Bod’ — it’s a ‘Father Figure’ 🙂 .
MICHAEL S. Did you say TWENTY STONE….280 lb. That’s twice my weight , even a little more. You must be a very big man, 6’4″ about, (I hope it’s upwards not outwards). Your wife, being an RN, should keep you in good shape. You didn’t chose Judaism, but chose well otherwise. May it continue.
It seems inevitable that we are all going to have to get a vaccine. If you’ve been reading my posts to Peloni, you know the situation..
I hate needles worse than poison, since age 12, stemming from a 3 week course, every second day, of a serum made from coughed up phlegm. I used to get bronchitis at the end of every August, but it always cleared up by the new school year -no matter how hard I tried to stay sick. Anyway that put me off injections for life….until, NOW…. I have no choice.
Does anyone know an actual marker that has serious improvement following the 3rd jab in Israel? This is a serious question. I have been watching for the benefit of the 3rd jab program but two months out I still don’t see any benefit. Deaths are holding at 24/day. The severe cases are up, serious cases are up, and critical cases are up. Even the total hospitalizations are holding steady. The only improvement that I see is the new severe cases has mildly dropped from ~100/day last month to ~85/day but the total severe cases are actually nearly unchanged, which is a disturbingly meager change. Where is the success that the 3rd jab was to bring. Those most at risk were jabbed on July 30, nearly two months ago. I see no gains here. The active cases may be dropping, but active cases includes non-symptomatic testing which has 90% false positves. Where are the serious gains against severe, serious, critical cases and death? These are the areas which the jab is supposedly(uhem) showing a benefit. This is a serious question, and not rhetorical in the least. If anyone has any input here I would greatly appreciate the info on a sizeable gain against this outbreak.
***Israel continues to increase in the deaths/M(814) with their rising number of 3shot public, as India, a nation which has a fraction of 2shot citizens, remains quite idle in deaths/M(319) with a shotty healthcare system and lesser vaccines.***
Scott Gottlieb, the former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), admitted during an interview on Face the Nation that the six foot social distancing rule recommended by public health officials for months on end was actually “arbitrary in and of itself,” and he noted that “nobody knows where it came from.”
Speaking with Face the Nation’s Margaret Brennan, Gottlieb discussed the rules and risks early in the pandemic, explaining that the Trump administration shifted its focus to the impact lockdowns and rules would have on the economy and children.
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Impact on the economy, that the costs were worse than the disease,” he said, explaining that schools were a “perfect example of the lack of effective policymaking.”
“So the single reason why most schools remained shut was because the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) was telling them they had to keep kids six feet apart,” he said.
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“The six feet was arbitrary in and of itself, nobody knows where it came from,” he said. “The initial recommendation that the CDC brought to the White House and I talk about this was 10 feet, and a political appointee in the White House said we can’t recommend 10 feet.”
“Nobody can measure 10 feet. It’s inoperable. Society will shut down. So the compromise was around six feet. Now imagine if that detail had leaked out. Everyone would have said this is the White House politically interfering with the CDC’s judgment,” he continued.
“The CDC said 10 feet, it should be 10 feet, but 10 feet was no more right than six feet and ultimately became three feet. But when it became three feet, the basis for the CDC’s decision to ultimately revise it from six to three feet was a study that they had conducted the prior fall.
So they changed it in the spring. They had done a study in the fall where they showed that if you have two masked individuals, two people wearing masks, the risk of transmission is reduced 70% with masks if you’re three feet apart[total nonsense].
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Those decisions, he added, easily undermine Americans’ confidence in advice from public health officials.
“This is how the whole thing feels arbitrary and not science-based. So we talk about a very careful, science-based process and these anecdotes get exposed, and that’s where Americans start to lose confidence in how the decisions got made,” he added.
Even in March, the former US FDA Chief Scott Gottlieb said that the social distancing rule followed worldwide is not based on science.
“This six-foot distancing requirement has probably been the single costliest mitigation tactic that we’ve employed in response to COVID … and it really wasn’t based on clear science. … We should have re-adjudicated this much earlier,” he said.
Meanwhile, according to a new nationwide study almost half of those hospitalized with COVID-19 have mild or asymptomatic cases. The study shows how a pandemic was created on the myth of COVID Hospitalizations.
According to leaked NHS data more than half of those hospitalized with Covid-19 in the UK only tested positive after admission to the hospital.
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https://greatgameindia.com/6-feet-social-distancing-rule/
More chilling info from a former employee of Pfizer(15min interview):
https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/09/do-not-allow-them-to-inject-your-children-biotech-analyst-issues-chilling-warning/
@Adam
Bravo! Every political influence begins at a local level. This is the very purpose of democracy. Thanks for sharing, and thanks for acting.
Something just happened to me that has warmed my heart and boosted my morale.While taking a walk along Main Street, I just passed by and briefly joined a demonstration in my home town–a small town in Orange County NY–oppositng compulary vaccinations and demanding freedom of choice for both physicians and patients. The demonstrators also waved American flags and denounced the drift towards communism is Washington.
HOW COVID AFFECTS MEN’S SEXUAL HEALTH
Wednesday, September 22, 2021
National Geographic
By Victoria Jaggard, SCIENCE executive editor
@Michael
Oh, they are aware. That is a large part of the problem in Australia where the TGA got the legislative body to outlaw a doctor’s ability to prescribe IVM in order to stop them from doing it. I quite admire the Australians. Very impressive sense of what their govt is doing to them and a powerful resistance to letting them do it. There was a major legal victory against the vaccines in Australia recently as well, which should give us all some hope, not too much, but some.
Also, for full disclosure Australia doesn’t have any deaths in the country, same is true in New Zealand. Their persistence at stamping out this disease while persecuting their public should be a lesson for us all.
The over-obsessive attention to antibodies is ignoring the real question of how the vaccines perform. Recall that the cell mediated portion of the immune system, not antibodies, is routinely essential to combating viral disease – I have mentioned it a few times of late, because it is a pivotal importance and relates to the findings of Dr. Cole and others. Meanwhile, we didn’t pay billions and now trillions of dollars to turn us each into antibody factories. The emphasis on vaccine efficacy should be on how many people are dying. But if you choose your subjects, as they have been doing, as those who are not overly sensitive to Covid, well no one dies, and that won’t look too impressive on the result comparison between the vaccines and the placebo or between two vaccines. Death and severe illness – this is where the real focus needs to be to judge efficacy. Not antibodies or visits to the hospital.
And while we keep being distracted by this vaccine efficacy topic, no one is pursuing the real tragedy of vaccine safety. Every person who dies from vaccine safety was killed by someone injecting an experimental drug into them. Every family whose suffered a member of their family being permanently injured was harmed due to an experimental drug injected into them. Don’t we at least want to know what all of these safety harms are and which of these vaccines are really associated with the worse adverse effects and which has the highest prevalence? There are 700K tragedies listed in VAERS. 20K are permanent disabilities. 15K are dead. Society and not the disease did this to them. Don’t we want to know more about this facet of the vaccines. After 10months, I think we need to know more than the nothing we have been shown regarding safety.
Peloni,
“Australia has ~3X more deaths from vaccines than Covid.”
I wish the Australian people were aware of this. That country has become a sewer of human rights abuses by the medical dictatorship and police.
@Michael
Very interesting, and important work. The trade-off between Zn and Copper absorption is very important in many diseases and treatments, while Cd is highly toxic and carcinogenic. You probably know all that, though given your background. MTs are related to oxidative stress too as I recall, correct me if I am wrong. Interesting stuff. I always quite enjoyed the biochemical relationships between physiology, disease and medicine.
I nearly went into biochemical research myself, but went toward medicine instead. I really enjoyed the mystery and challenges of research, but hated working with human research complications. Such headaches and delays…with a keen interest in the research being pursued, I recall wondering why they couldn’t streamline things to move more quickly. Well, today we know what happens when you do, unfortunately.
The study was based on 3,689 subjects to compare 3 vaccines, which is a smaller sample size than I would have preferred and the results of the study and the authors of the study both support my statement to this effect.
-They under-powered, or had too small a test group, for the J&J portion of the study which gave it a wide variance in the data, ie, it needs to be redone with a larger group to get a tighter set of data to obtain better estimates, and smaller confidence-interval.
-ignored children entirely, which seem both curious and relavent.
-ignored all safety data associated with the different vaccines.
-ignored the cell mediated immune response which is routinely the part of the immune system involved in responding to viral infections.
-no separation of efficacy based on age groups whichis important.
There are two parts of concern with a vaccine – safety and efficacy. This study only considered the efficacy and ignored the safety entirely. Choosing a vaccine, like choosing a car, should be about more than just the gas mileage – it is an important a truly factor, but not the only factor, especially when the recovery without treatment or vaccine is 99.7%.
The repeated tendency to ignore all consideration of the hundreds-of-thousands of immunologic/cardiovascular/neurological safety-issues associated with the vaccines is concerning. The high-risk groups should be more concerned with efficacy, because their risk with dying from Covid is higher, for instance, people who are >75yrs have a risk, depending on the data set, of dying at a rate of 25% or higher. Children have 0% chance of death. Someone 35years old with no comorbidity should have well below <0.03% of death.
So when we choose a vaccine, we should consider the safety issues associated with the vaccine choice. If they have any serious adverse-events in any high occurrence – which they do(https://www.bitchute.com/video/KwlZU198oGpT/) – we should be alarmed and concerned about which vaccine has the best safety score more so than which vaccine has the higher antibody levels – recall the people outside the high-risk group really have nearly no risk of dying from Covid without the vaccine and without treatment – well below 0.03%.
As an example, Australia has ~3X more deaths from vaccines than Covid. Pretty alarming, but it brings the topic of vaccine safety into perspective. We should not have more problems from the vaccines than the virus, but if we don't look at the safey issues, well… While we ignore vaccine safety, even as we pursue more effective vaccines, we should ask if we don't want to maximize safety and efficacy together in a fair review. The object is to live thru this without killing ourselves from the virus or the vaccines. Treatment would be a good choice, but the shareholders still say no, so here we are.
Hi, Edgar. Thanks for the advice re zinc. I did some graduate research in Zn/Cd uptake in metallothionein, but had to drop out because of unrelated health issues. My wife’s an RN, who has done quite a bit of continuing education in these matters. She’s been doing a good job with the supplements. She has me on 10mg, like you; but at 20 stone, I imagine I could tolerate considerably more. I have been a fan of Vitamin E since the ’70s, and I believe it helps keep my dupuytrens under control. The Mrs. gives me 90 mg. q.d. She’s working right now on trying to get the Ivermectin ordered.
Peloni, thanks for the heads up on monoclonal antibodies. My hen read that if I ever find myself in the hospital with the flu or coof, I should immediately request hospice status to get around the admissions Catch-22. (All these snafus seem to point to Gates and Fauci enriching themselves. May God reward them with their own medicine.)
When people resort to name calling or insults it shows their inability to make a intelligent rational argument.
What’s with all these lame, encyclopedic posts? At this late date, if you don’t see what’s what, the mass psychosis has done it’s job.
Instead of practicing medicine online without a license, I will link an article from the Yale School of Medicine on the Subject.
Comparing the COVID-19 Vaccines: How Are They Different?
BY KATHY KATELLA September 17, 2021
Although each vaccine is unique, all of them offer strong protection against severe disease.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Resist_05/status/1440128722711957511?s=20
Romanians’s baitsim! Closed all killshot centers! Hahahahaha! Way to go, ROMANIA!
Anyone who becomes ill with Covid, whether you have been vaccinated or not, should request the use of the monoclonal antibodies, but do it as early as possible. Also, if you become admitted to the hospital, the CDC/NIH won’t allow it to be given to you. McCullough sent a patient to the hospital as an out-patient to receive the antibodies and they screwed up and admitted him and he could not get the antibodies, not because he didn’t need them, but because he was admitted to the hospital. This isn’t new, but it seems some were unaware of this detail.
Michael, I’ve noted that one must be careful about too much Zinc. My multi supplement includes about 10 mg. Plus whatever I get in food, and my bloodwork says I’m O K. with that..
I’ve never been able to be certain about maximum doses in any one Vit.
Do you remember the Shute Brothers, who used to cure heart disease patients with massive doses of Vit E, 40-50,000 units. They were actually the pioneers for the present widespread use of manufactured Vitamins. In their day the HUGE battle over this Vitamin use would be comparable to the controversy today over the Vaccines.
It makes a very interesting read. It was localised to Canada but FIERCE. Reminded me of Semmelweiss beating his head against a stone wall of ignorance and tradition
@Edgar
I am glad you received it, and I hope it helps. Your seems daughter is well informed and I should have noted the prior use of the adenovirus model used by J&J and AZ, which gives it some established history over the mRNA. At this point, I would caution against the boosters. The adverse effects are likely to be significant as they were against the initial injections. They will of course hide any poor outcomes, as they have since the Dec rollout, but with time these thing will be recognized.
Peloni,
“As I am sure most of us have done a bit of research on these jabs, I am curious if anyone else would add their thoughts as to which they think is the better or worse and why.”
We have an emergency stock of horse Ivermectin. I want us to begin prophylactic human Ivermectin ASAP, but my supplier has been dragging her heels in ordering it. We also keep pumped up on Zn, Vitamin D, etc.
We are avoiding ALL the experimental drugs currently being pushed by the govt. They are all far more dangerous than any benefit they offer. Some good friends shun us because we have not been jabbed This can’t be avoided. many of our friends and family members have gotten the COV 19 flu and recovered. Being “inoculated” seems to have had little effect. One friend, a few years older than me, got sick for about a month, but is glad he chose not to allow himself to be jabbed.
Thank you Peloni. I emailed Ted and asked him to forward your emails to me. I also said my problem was that I could not cut and paste. He explained to me how it was done, and part of what he said actually worked, at least the box showed cut and link etc, but when I tried to proceed the whole blued part disappeared, time after time ,.. So for the present I hope he will just forward your emailed posts.
TED I hope you’re you listening in-
My daughter has a background in a half completed psychology degree. She is highly intelligent and competent. I’m concerned about the AZ but she says that they use Viral Vector Tech which has been proven in other vaccines for many years.
That the mRNA tech is fantastic but the lack of longitudinal data bars it her personally.
So it looks as if she prefers the safest product over the best protection. She says being young mitigates against many of the known dangers, and her risk is about 1/50,000. I haven’t the tools to discuss with her. But after our stringent precautions for the past 20 months, it looks as if we’re bound to get it, as the area is having a huge increase in infections, the last Canadian outpost as it were. Which means me too. It has become too risky for me to hold out longer. I will go with Moderna. You say a 1 jab vaccine. Any booster later??
I just got your posts from Ted, so thank you both.
I hope we ALL come through this safely and without any lingering effects P.G.
@Edgar
Ok, I sent it. I also added this post.
Before I forget, tell her to make sure to keep her Vitamin D levels up. It is very important for a number of reasons.
They did pull J&J and AstraZeneca, both, due to large blood clots, but it never made any sense. Thousands of people have died due to each of the jabs for multiple reasons including clots and they pulled J&J and AZ. A bit of cognizant dissonance or financial interests involved if you ask me. The blood clots were a very disturbing(lethal) form, but all of the jabs create clots that killed people. It should have been enough to have all of them pulled off the market, but instead they just added the clots to the warning label associated with the vaccines and kept selling their products. To be clear again, I don’t think J&J is safe nor any of them, so don’t take that from my comments. J&J and AZ both create large clots and this causes problems with platelets. The mRNA causes micro clots that clog up the arteries in the lungs. This is why I advised the blood thinner therapy via an experienced and willing doctor, but from your comments I see this is not likely. I don’t know how best to advise her beyond what I shared. The shots all have risks, deadly risks associated with them. In truth, everyone who gets these shots should be monitored for myocarditis and placed on blood thinners while monitoring D-Dimers or other blood markers for clots. And there are many issues beyond the clots associated with the vaccines, though these are among the most concerning.
The efficacy is a point of discussion that is not easily discerned between the vaccines due to the crap data and the different brands rarely compared in studies side by side. They did just do a comparative study between Pfizer, Moderna and J&J, but they cheated J&J with a much smaller group of subjects and the data for J&J really needs to be done with more test subjects as the findings were not very certain. Let her know that the antibody titers are not indicative of protection as many think. The relevance of the antibodies can not be related to health or protection, unfortunately. In fact, the Tcells which have nothing(mostly) to do with antibodies are the part of the immune system that responds to most viral infections, not antibodies(general rule, but not universally true). The antibodies cause lots of problems, potentially. You can tell her to look up Tcell senescence and Tcell High-load Tolerance, if she has a science background. These are very concerning issues which is why I would not suggest her getting either of the 2-shot jabs(Pfizer and AZ).
I hope this helps you and your daughter. Sometimes I fear I am giving too much info so if you have any questions, always ask.
PELONI-
Thank you very much. I have this to say. We have socalized medicine here, and even to gat a dr. appt takes weeks and a specialist many months. it’s like voodoo med. As an extra her doctor just retired and will not be replaced as they have no new doctors coming in. She will have to go to a walk in clinic and try to see the same Dr. each time, not usually successful. “quackery at work”… I’ve spoken o her about getting Ivermectin and HCQ several times but her answer is always the same. The doctors here will NOT prescribe it.
So we are in a bind. I thought the J&J was more dangerous for clots, and far less efficient.. Have I been getting false info?? I thought it was stopped, at least temporarily from use in the US. She says that AZ contains vectors which are used in other vaccines successfully for many years. I wish I could have hhr read your post. But she hardly reads the articles I send being so very busy, with family and a recently acquired full time job needing university study as well. I don’t know how to cut & paste.
Could you do me another favour and send your posts 1&2 to TED, asking him to email them to me. I will email TED and confirm, right away. I hope you can do this.
And again, thank you most kindly. I had already just about decided that if I MUST get a vaccine to choose Moderna. My son had COVID last Feb felt rotten for about ten days, treated it with Tylenol and booze. I don’t think he knew at the time that it was the virus but a bad flu. So a month ago he got his first Vaccine shot. He should be more immune having had the virus and the shot should be like a booster.
Who knows…nobody here.
As I am sure most of us have done a bit of research on these jabs, I am curious if anyone else would add their thoughts as to which they think is the better or worse and why. Again, I don’t advocate any, but rather treatment if you can get it and if you can avoid the mandates. But I am curious of other voices on this topic, if any would be interested in sharing their thoughts.
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Also, as Bear noted, Pfizer fails to be protective more readily than Moderna in any case. It is also believed that Pfizer seems to have a higher myocarditis index than Moderna at the moment – I can’t say this is factually certain as the studies are mostly crap using cheap diagnostics and relatively small sample sizes, of course, but it is where things look currently. So if I were to choose a mRNA vax, I would choose Moderna. It has the best ‘efficacy’ when done in a common trial with Pfizer and J&J which should show a relative consistent comparison even with the crap data games. There is an issue of concern about the mRNA shots that could result in the code being smuggled into the DNA of some of her cells. It definitely isn’t certain, but it is a real possibility which none of the trials have looked at, and it could answer why some people have spike floating in their blood months later. In any case, I mention this because if she takes Ivermectin, it will prevent this from occurring and also might protect her against some of the harms of the shot. She should reach out to a doctor that actually treats Covid to discuss this further, but it is what I would do if I were to take an mRNA shot.
That being said, I would not choose Moderna due to the fact that it is a mRNA jab and the safety issues favor the J&J shots, slightly. One caveat to this choice is that if your daughter is using birth control or anticipating doing so, she can not take the J&J. Also, if she is on birth control, she can’t stop taking it and take the J&J as there is some delay and it has not been determined. The birth control, you may know accelerates large clot formation with J&J. So if she is on birth control or anticipates doing so, or previously was on it in the recent past, I would choose Moderna.
Whichever she chooses, she will have to find a physician who will help monitor her D-dimer levels, a good indicator of blood clots when elevated, though not the only test, it is the one I believe most are employing to follow the clotting issues. She should also maintain a blood thinner regimen as long as she showing elevations in D-dimer levels. If she finds a doctor who treats Covid, he should be knowledgeable about this issue and the choice of anti-clot medications. On that note, if he suggests baby aspirin, tell her to find another doctor as baby aspirin won’t work and he should know this – just a thought.
I hope this helps. Convey any questions she or you have, and I will be happy to respond as best I can. It is a difficult choice, and many will likely disagree with my thoughts here, but my best advice on the shots is that anyone taking them actually survive the experience, ie I am more concerned with safety, and hence my explanation of my choice of J&J over Moderna and both of these over AZ and Pfizer. But Moderna has the best efficacy…based on the garbage we are using as data.
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@Edgar
Ok. First the disclaimer. None of these vaccines are safe and likely they are all less than effective. The efficacy data was screwed up and includes all manner of diseases such as cancers, heart disease, kidney disease, flu, everything – and it is all in this pot that they call Covid. So Covid is not really a disease as it is a motled assortment of diseases and physiologic problems, some with the Covid virsus superimposed upon it and others not. So the efficacy of the shots and the safety findings are all contaminated with outliers and non-disease patients as well. So, when we look at the data, we see so many differing problems, one researcher found over 10K distinctly different safety issues listed in VAERS, a consequence of the @#$%^^& PCR test. The consequence of this is that old teaching rule I was taught on my first day in volunteering in a small medical lab – Garbage in =Garbage out. Everything we know is cooked and everytime we have an opportunity to find the real answers, they pull another joker out of their sleeve. It fools some, but the result is the inconsistency in results and safety issues.
So, with that being said, when we look at this garbage that used to be called medicine and now resembles something more like witchcraft, I have considered this question and discussed it with family friends and a few clinician friends, a few still employed and one recently fired. I don’t want to over represent my input. I have studied these matters at length, but many/most likely have as well. I have a strong background in the medical field and can read the literature without confusion or intimidation that many will experience, including some in the medical field. I have had some experience on administration of trials and the research prep as well, so many of the pot holes and speed bumps are less mysterious to me. So, I will give my opinion, but that is what it is, and many will likely disagree with both my emphasis and my choice, but I will explain my thoughts so you can judge for yourself and discuss it with your daughter.
Now, the jab of choice…I am not sure if your daughter is looking for the best protection or the safest product. These are not the same thing, and you don’t get everything you want in a single choice – a common point of occurrence in medicine.
I would stay away from the two shot vaccines, which would be the AZ and Pfizer. this is due to a complication of white blood cell(Tcell) tolerance – a very complicated but serious dilemma that has not been fleshed out and may be related to the effect of having had a second shot(This could also result from having had a single shot after having recovered from the Covid disease). So I would not take either AZ or Pfizer based on this fact – if it proves true, the immune system will be compromised for some time and perhaps permanently, but more likely it will return at some point, though there is not a lot of knowledge on this, like everything Covid. If it is actually really happening, and I think it might be, people will develop increased occurence of infections, any infection not just Covid, due to decrease activity of the white blood cells(Tcels). So I would choose Moderna or J&J.
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Interesting – Moderna is more effective than Pfzier vaccine after 120 days
PELONI…..And please give me reasons..pro or con. Asking a lot I know, but you are a good guy and more competent in this field than others I know . Also seem to have made a specific study of the subject, and have had access to data not generally seen.
PELONI…I have no disinterested person to ask. My daughter is finally being vaccinated soon. She chose Astra Zeneca for a variety of reasons , didn’t want any mRNA vaccines. Vancouver Island, hitherto a low virus area, has now and is now becoming a high virus area. Hospitals say they’re overcrowded and staff dwindling.
MY own non medical but logical icopinion is that they thought they were out of the danger area being an Island. but mine was that the Virus was making its way across Canada from East to West and eventually would engulf our Island. which seems now happening. They were not prepared. Prefabs are easy and plentiful, space the same . it’s the staff which is unprepared and already stressed out and fading away.. Many in hospital beds are not seriously ill and could be at home attended by a visiting nurse. But they aren’t doing this. I was tested 4-5 days age, Negative.
I think decisions are being made by politically appointed ditherers, no first-class minds, but that’s what we have.
I am in that very dangerous bracket, not because of health, but age.
If you had to make a choice…WHICH WOULD YOU CHOSE.
Crimes against humanity have been and are still being committed as off today with this Covid19 catastrophe.
This is from a Project Veritas mailer. There is a video that accompanies it:
New Myocarditis study. 32 cases of myocarditis in largest case study in the world so far. Study spanned 2months and the median time from vaccination to symptoms was 1.5days – ie very closely associated to the vaccine. Cases were largely in the 18-24 age group. The vaccination center did not have the people vaccinated separated by ages so they could not isolate the number of 18-24 vaccinated to give an accurate rate for the age group. There were 32K cases in all age groups, so there was a 1/1000 rate of myocarditis using all ages, but the 18-24 age group would have been a much higher rate, ie there weren’t 32K people in the 18-24 age group. The normal rate of myocarditis in the region(Canada) for myocarditis is 1/100,000**, so an increase in occurence of myocarditis in the region of 100X or 10,000% increase(wow). This is very very alarming increase.
Prior to Covid there were ~400 cases reported over 25yrs. Since the vaccine rollout there have been 5,765 cases of myocarditis. And these are just the ones reported.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.13.21262182v1
**Worldwide, the rate of myocarditis is 1/50K, but there are regional differences and the study notes that their region has a 1/100k rate for myocarditis.
I believe this is related to the report earlier last week which I shared that discussed the alarming number of myocarditis cases hospitalized following vaccination.
This is the first study that I have read that did not include a passage ensuring that vaccinations should continue but instead closed with the following passage:
I totally agree with the final sentence and can’t believe they have not already done so.
VAERS numbers updated today
The tragedy grows every week. How is this tolerated??
Autopsies have arrived!! And it isn’t good news.
This is very wierd timing. I complained at length earlier today and within a couple of hours, a German group, who did the first post-vax autopsy last May, released their findings on 40 people who died within 2wks of being vaccinated. They found 1/3 of cases directly linked to the vaccine and have called for further investigation(good luck with that) and a consideration of halting the vaccinations. Germany is 2/3 fully vaccinated.
https://pathologie-konferenz.de/
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It is surprising that all the comments still discuss the vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Why people are repeating again and again this word – Vaccine! It’s not a vaccine by definition! It is Gene Treatment, experimental and dangerous. So much time passed since the beginning of this “pandemic”, nothing is hidden – toxic ingredients, unreliable PCR test, mRNA solution’s mechanism of action, adverse reactions and deaths. People who want to know real numbers can go to VAERS, it’s a CDC official site. Use openvaers.com. Even taking into consideration that it shows only 1% of reported cases, statistics is terrible. Why people do not listen to Robert Malone (inventor of mRNA technology), Karry Mullis (Nobel Laureate, who developed PCR test and said that it was not a diagnostic test), former Pfizer VP and Chief Science Officer Michael Yeadon, and many, many other renowned specialists who warn people against these dangerous “vaccines”. Unvaccinated people are dying because they do not receive treatment. Dr. Zelenko testified in front of Israel’s rabbinical court. He successfully treated 6,000 patients including Rudy Giuliani – no one died. I personally know more than 40 people including kids and seniors (96-97 years of age). All of them recovered. At the same time my brother in law got paralyzed after the first Pfizer shot. I know several other people who had severe adverse reactions. And it is just immediate side effect, what about long term consequences? Real scientists think they will be devastating.
Most recent numbers now find in Israel show:
Clearly the numbers favor being vaccinated.
FDA-authorized COVID-19 vaccines help protect against Delta and other known variants. These vaccines are effective at keeping people from getting COVID-19, getting very sick, and dying.
Those not vaccinated are getting sicker and/or dying in substantially higher percentages than those vaccinated.
There are 658 patients in serious condition in Israel, compared to 654 a day earlier. UN-vaccinated Israelis – who account for 17 percent of the population eligible for a vaccine – make up about two-thirds of the total number of serious cases.
@Adam
The limit is 50. If 50 people die, the vaccine/drug is pulled off the market. If 5 die, the product is labeled as a Black Box drug, such as metachlopramide and and every ad must state that if you take this product you could die from it. Vaccines have side effects, but not death and not life threatening diseases, or they would be pulled. You should not assume this current policy of tradeoffs between benefits for most and death for the others is routine. It is not. The claim of ‘do no harm’ should be accepted as routine and expected for all.
FYI, the drug Comirnaty, which was recently approved is the same as the Pfizer vax, but it doesn’t even have a Black Box rating…Interesting, right?
@Adam
Of course they don’t. In fact, we have only ever eliminated one virus from the planet via vaccines, smallpox.
But the claim of 95% efficacy was intended to suggest they give a 95% protection. This was of course never demonstrated in the trials as was claimed. But, then, that was not an accident. We didn’t know the efficacy on rollout and we are trying not to find out the efficacy now by playing with the data collection.
The plan for the vaccines was to use them to reach herd immunity by subsidizing natural immunity with vaccine immunity. This is why nations paid trillions of dollars to Pharma and continue to do so. But you can’t reach herd immunity with a poorly performing vaccine. Further, the vaccines have created an escape mutant due to the limited focus of its target, the small spike protein. Vaccines produce protection of at least 50% and for at least 1yr. These Covid vaccines do neither, according to the May clinic the efficacy is now at 42% and the MOH has it at 39%. These are very close estimates by two completely separate groups in two different countries. Still just two data points but in very good agreement. So it isn’t that it doesn’t cure everyone forever, it is that it isn’t performing as a vaccine should, ie prevent an established disease for at least 50% and 1yr duration.
Flu vaccine is different from other vaccines in that it is a rotating mix of anticipated changes in the flu from year to year – they know it won’t perform well, and it never does. The efficacy is calculated following the year’s flu season to see how effective it was. For instance, for 2004-5 the flu season, they calculated after the end of flu season that the flu shot was only ~10% effective(wow). I think the highest the flu shot ever performed was ~60%.
But for a vaccine such as the Varicella vaccine which protects against Chicken pox, it was shown to be 95% effective for 10yrs – ie if 100 children are exposed, only 5 get sick. This is why you don’t take vaccines every 6months or even every year. When was the last vaccine you took? I haven’t had a vaccine since somewhere in the 2000’s and that was travel related. This is because the vaccines are effective and have known efficacy parameters that protect the population by eliminating or limiting the risk to a known level so people can judge if they should choose to take a given vaccine.
The rush of warp speed, which Harvard’s medical Q&A page claims was not rushed, had some bad consequences that many care to ignore. This is why the 95% effective vaccine failed, because it never was 95% effective – which is why they played with the data in the EUA trials. Vaccines are very important to public health, but they can have serious consequences if you trust they are protective when they aren’t or have very short durations, ie 5months is rediculously short. This importance is why Pharma has always had to ‘prove’ their product safe and effective, except with Covid. With that in mind, you can’t expect these vaccines to be perfect, and they aren’t. But we should know if these harms, cited by Cole, are associated with the vax, and we, the lab rats, should be able to look at the real data, without a 14day delay, and judge if we find the benefits helpful or harmful.
Not all vaccines give 100% protection.. Certainly flu vaccines do not. Every year, many people who get the flu shot nevertheless get the flu. Every year, also, some people die of the flu. I don’t know if any people who were inoculated are among those who die, but it seems to me inevitable that there would be some individuals who do.
@Adam
@Bear
The presence of exacerbated levels of cancers is not based on his clinical research, which I was unaware of the actual case number. @Bear, if you know where you saw the number 13, could you share it? I would like to read more on this, and I haven’t seen this level of detail. He noted in another interview that the testing will take a couple more months before his research will be completed. In any case, Cole is a Board Certified Pathologist, he sees autopsies year after year. They screen for increased levels of disease in general, cancers, heart disease, etc. He noted that he found multiple increases in many different types of cancers upto 20X increases in just 7months as compared to what was found in any 12month period over past years, where the cancer levels are pretty steady, so this is very alarming and should be pursued, which is why he is personally funding it. He is donating his time and all of the costs to this end, but needing to do it when he is not working, ie in his spare time. The testing is involved and expensive, and he is doing it while still treating patients and holding his position as a pathologist. The reason for his needing to do this alone is that there is no Federal money for the autopsies to pursue the consequence of the Spike injections. This was his intent to push for Federal support to find out why the increases that he is finding are present. It may be independent of the Spike injections, but if that is true, we should know. Why are they not pursuing autopsies on the thousands and thousands of people dying after the Spike injections?
In any event, Cole is conducting research on the cases he has in his study, and the slides are from those cases. I had assumed the number in his study was slight. Regardless of the number, you should not be finding these inflammatory processes that he is finding, in which the spike is present, at all. The body only functions properly due to its architecture being maintained and the scarring destroys the architecture, and health is lost as a result. Think about if you found a single person died of a brain tumor that you could link to aspirin. That would still be a single case, but it would be a significant finding that should set off all sorts of alarms. This is the point of his slides of the testes, lung, etc. Those findings are alarming in any number.
Also, Dr. Cole is Board Certified in three areas including Pathology, so this speaks to his background, but one study is still just one study and there should be thousands of such clinical reviews taking place….Why aren’t they??? There was a single autopsy in Germany in May that was performed and the findings were alarming as the spike was found in multiple organs. A single autopsy in Germany, how insane is this? So this is why Cole is pursuing his research and paying for it, which will result in the case number being small. Whatever he finds will require further inquiry, and should already have been funded. Pity that it isn’t.
@Bear
Bear, that is not fair. The vaccinated are responsible for half the deaths when they should be responsible for none, not a proportionate amount. Everyone knows that the Israeli public is nearly completely vaccinated via govt fiat. The point that was intended is that the 85-90% of the Israeli public are vaccinated with a vaccine that is failing, a fair statement as this was the reason the iMOH chose their campaign of hope with the 3rd jab.
But again, there should be no vaccinated people dying, as it is safe and effective and we don’t even count the deaths associated with the vaccines for 2wks post-vax. Meanwhile, the unvaccinated have no protection and no treatments, so they should represent 100% of the deaths, not only 50%. By the way, why are the vaccinated dying in any number? The vaccine was intended to render the public immune, 95% effective right? Providing immunity is the sole purpose of every vaccine. The vax has failed that landmark and with time, appears to be failing with increasing numbers, hence the Israeli 3rd jab hope.
You may care to project a bias in my statement, but there was none. I did not note the Israelis are nearly all vaccinated, but we all know this to be the case. To present a balanced picture, it would be a long thread which I will probably pursue this week sometime since it is of interest and it is far more encompassing than the Israeli vaccinated percentages. I could have stated that the vaccinated includes untold numbers of people who were Covid recovered and their immunity is independent of the vaccine. I could also have noted that the vaccinated include a more healthy sector of the public as the poor and heredim disproportionately don’t trust the vaccine. I could have mentioned many things, and to present a balanced picture I would need to do so, but I have mentioned many of these in past comments and it was not my purpose here to revisit all these comparisons, only to note that in the past couple months none of these vital topics raised by Dr. Cole have been considered, even as policies are changing while ignoring these concerns. I regret that you missed the vital message my comment intended, as it is a very important one, I believe. I think if you read my post, you will appreciate this was my topic, not a fair description of the vax which has been covered by many, including myself, at some length and detail in previous threads.
@Adam and the one group he cited by observation had 13 people in it. A very small sample size so overall very unconvincing presentation.
I only ever saw one presentation that made think giving the vaccine to 12 to 17 years was perhaps a mistake since they do not get very ill if they catch Covid and the risks of the vaccine outweighed the potential benefit perhaps.
I have never seen a presentation for older age groups that convinced me of that in fact the opposite. The doctors who advised against vaccinating (one from Harvard and one from Standford) the 12 to 17 years, thought for all older age groups clearly the benefit versus risk was clearly strongly and definitively in favor of getting vaccinated.
Somehow my previous response to Dr. Cole’s talk got deleted.
My point was that Dr. Cole does not provide any statistics concerning hoe many of his own autopsies of vaccinated indiduals who died of dieases that coould have been side> Nor does he provide any data concerning his own autopsies of patients who died of COVID19. His lack of data means that his opinions about the virus and the vaccines are subjective in nature. Still, as an experienced pathologist, his opinions based on his clinical experience, even if they are subjective and have not been quantified, must be treated with respect.
@Peloni only 17% of the Israeli population is NOT vaccinated and they account for 50% of the deaths. If one wants to skew a point they might say that 50% of the deaths are from vaccinated which is 83% of the population.
So if you are UN-vaccinated you stand a much larger chance of dying from Covid.
I always am more receptive to points by commentators who present a balanced picture.
Anyone who has not seen this video MUST watch it. Share it with your friends, family, loved ones and those you don’t even like. The White Coat Summit was held two months ago and we know little more now than we did then, even as the 3rd shots have been unleashed on the Israeli public, where 50% of the Covid dead have been fully inoculated.
Pathologists are always the first to know anything about a disease and they are a great source for any clinician to regarding emerging diseases and treatments. So Dr. Cole is a very important voice in this conversation on the virus and the vax.
The overwhelming response by the FDA regulators who opposed using the shot in the US cited concerns of the myocarditis, but there are soooo many more concerns to add to the myocarditis, toooo many.
Vaccines generate immunity using two methods – antibodies and Tcell responses. Viral protection is not typically due to antibodies, but rather, it is a primary task of the Tcell response. When the antibody levels recede, as they do after every vaccination, at some rate, future protection should stimulate a Tcell response. Even if antibodies are stimulated, they are always produced after the Tcell response. The Tcells are the first responders to every infection and more so with viral infections. So the early vaccine failures support Dr. Coles findings on the Tcells being benched as he put it. They are also the source of keeping established viruses in check, such as shingle among others, which are showing an alarming resurection post-vaccination.
So why are the vaccines failing? Because as the antibody levels drop, new antibodies are not being generated and the Tcells too are failing to respond to the virus after vaccination. Meanwhile, natural immunity continues to provide a strong, robust and durable protection and Tcells don’t appear to be benched as with the vax. This distinction is a vital and sometimes lethal difference that has not been explored, and it is a very concerning topic that is missed by the general discussion on the continued and repeated use of the vax. The potential implications to future infections(especially viral infections) and tumor growth, both of which are the responsibility of the Tcells is terrifying to contemplate, but if we don’t investigate, we will never know as the world is being overwhelmed with dose after dose of this experimental drug that is causing these changes, and who knows what else.