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@Reader
LOLOL, that was very amusing to read.
I think he is not guilty of what you have charged him with, at least to the limit I have described. I understand you do not believe the US president is anything more than a plaything of corporate interests. I see the US govt as being more intimately controlled than this, and that the unelected interests within the govt that actually hold the strings of govt will come to regret their actions taken against President Trump. It won’t be easy for him to defeat them, but I believe he has the temerity and determination to successfully do so with the support of the nation at his back.
Favorite gladiator…I will chuckle at this for some time to come.
@peloni
OK, OK, he is your favorite gladiator and I am not going to argue with you.
I wasn’t going to argue with anyone in the 1st place, I just wanted to show some facts which don’t matter anyway because he is your favorite gladiator.
I won’t say anything about him anymore, as far as I am concerned, it doesn’t matter a bit who or what is president of the United States but most people consider it enormously significant and influential that they are allowed to vote for two pre-selected candidates every 4 years.
@Reader
The reality is that Trump’s advocacy for the vaccine was likely persuasive to some, and that fact alone is unfortunate, regardless of the number. I do not believe that Trump is responsible for the insurrection brought against him, and the Covid ruse was beyond his ability to either be fully aware or control. Would you hold FDR responsible for the Bankers Plot to overthrow the govt in 1933? I would not. The reason the Covid plot succeeded was because of the rot within the medical, political, legal, judicial and electoral institutions long preceded Trump, and there was no way for him to control the situation.
It is fairly stated by Ted that Trump had to pick his battles. But Trump did challenge the entire collection of national medical experts on HCQ and single-handedly faced them down, only to have his policy blocked while being described as the medical moron-in-chief advocating the use of fish-tank cleaner as a treatment that was shortly shown to kill people in the multiple fake studies that were rigged to actually cause the people involved to die from drug over-dosages. He could not control the conspiracy against him and you can not fairly charge him for this fact, as unfortunate as it was.
As I noted previously, I regret Trumps continued support of the vaccines, but this is less important to me because he will allow Early Treatment and will not force mandates upon the public. This will grant people the right to choose their own fate, while being guided by whatever wigi board inputs they care to choose, be it common sense, medical advice or the president’s personal opinion. Some will seek guidance from a favored politician, and others will seek a less arbitrary source of input than this to manage their health, and the quality of these choices will provide a significant difference in the outcome. C’est la vie.
@Reader
First let’s consider the study you shared.
The study you cited claims to be a randomized trial, but the randomization does not correct for any bias beyond geography. Further than this, there is at least two significant geographic exclusions included in the study that can not be corrected or eliminated. It gauges the rate of vaccines uptake against the use of an ad in the 2/3 of US counties. They excluded every county with more than 1 million people which means that the most Democratic counties were eliminated which would provide a greater geographical bias to demonstrate their thesis that the ad displaying Trump’s advocacy for the vaccine was persuasive. They also eliminated the entire state of Texas, arguably the most conservative and certainly the most conservatively populated state in the country.
Beyond this, the randomization is based on counties alone, ie geography, which, by itself, does not correct for any bias of age, income, education, or any other point that can be claimed as decisively significant such as disease prevalence or coercive incentives or required mandates. The single bias they do randomize for excludes the most liberal cities in the country and the entire state of Texas and these do not in any way provide a systematic balance to support the study’s conclusion. Furthermore, they simply interpret the viewing of the ad as being the significant cause to push people towards choosing the injection, which by itself seems quite a jump of presumption since there is no way to know if any, or how many, people watching the ads actually receive an injection.
Indeed, the targets of the ads were chosen by the Google algorithm alone and the manner of this was not controlled or included in the study design. This directly resulted in some counties that were counted as being exposed to the ad while the ad was not shown to a single person in the county. So how is any of this convincingly persuasive that this ad displaying Trump alone pushed people towards using the shot?
It is an expensive online-survey study and likely was funded for political motives and is certainly now being employed towards a very specific political purpose that would align with the Uniparty’s motives in funding such a project – namely to block Trump’s possible return. There is more to discuss about the details of the study, such as the bias associated with online-surveys and the interpretation of the data, but what is presented here alone seems persuasive enough that this ‘study’ is not persuasive enough to draw the stated conclusions as being decisively convincing, not in my opinion.
@peloni
This is is not about medical advice, it’s about the voice of the highest political authority in the country who (the foolish(?) people believe) is the best informed about things and who has a sense of responsibility and cares about the country.
If this is the mark of a fool, in your opinion, well… what can I say?
I think that sharp negotiating skills presume a sharp intellectual ability, such that a man possessing this skill cannot be easily fooled, or at least knows enough to consult different sources before making fateful decisions.
In your opinion, I am wrong.
Again, what can I say other than ask you to, please, read the article about opinions which I posted here.
Also, why nobody mentions his defense of the vaccines after the damage has become known?
@Ted Belman
There is no Deep State or, rather, the Deep State is the big business, i.e., the richest slate of the population aka the multi-multi- billionaires whom everybody admires for their success and achievements and who soon are going to push us into WWIII from which the world might never recover.
Have you noticed that Jimmy Carter and Bush Sr. sound like academicians compared to the later bunch?
Trump had a lot of battles to fight in part due to the deep state. It is imperative to pick your battles.. Trump did not want to take on Fauci as one of the battles to fight. Same with Sessions. So I give him a pass.
Reader, you are obviously welcome to your own opinion here, but if you would take medical advice from a politician, any politician, you would be quite the fool. Would it not be similar to having your barber fix your car? How about having a gardener bake a Wedding Cake? I expect my barber to be skilled with a shears, the gardner to shape the hedge and my physician to offer his medical advice. I find such unskilled opinions as irrelevant outside their specialties and expecting expertise from a politician in anything is simply self defeating. It is, in fact, a foolish standard to place any import upon what a politico might advise on any topic of healthcare. Politicians, as I see them, are there to pursue policies that represent me. I am not readily persuaded by the best of them, but I do expect them to represent me and my values. Trump’s determined position on people having the right to opt out of the shots without consequence is close enough to my own views to gain my support. Unlike other politicians who might promise me the moon or that the vaccines will be abolished, I trust Trump when he states you will have your choice on the matter, and to also support the free access to Early Treatment. And Early Treatment is the key to eliminating the need of the shots in any event. Or, at least, this is my opinion.
Regarding his abilities as a negotiator, it is quite irrelevant to the topic of the shots. He is good at making deals and distinguishing what can be achieved and how it might be achieved, often using unconventional methods towards obtaining the goal at hand. The goal at hand in this situation was the need of a treatment for Covid. I do agree that Trump should not have cut the corners on testing to produce a vaccine that was not needed, but it was in fact quite needed, as the use of medication was effectively blocked by the Deep State players and 15K people were dying every day by the end of 2020(worldwide). The need for a treatment was real. The testimony that the vaccines were 95% effective was not. The evidence for this claim was manufactured, as is known due to the proof collected by Brook Jackson(Pfizer whistleblower). In point of fact, the entire pandemic was manufactured. But should we charge Trump with the responsibility for these treacheries? I think not. Would you expect Trump to be president, a good negotiator, an expert at deciphering medical research and brilliant investigator? As Dr. Alexander has stated, Trump was “lied to, manipulated and deceived” by his own govt, even by his own VP. The same tactics were employed by the US military staff to maintain elevated numbers of US troops above the president’s stated orders. Your suggestion that he should know more than the experts is quite silly. Trump is not a medical expert, and anyone considering him as such is quite the fool, as I have noted previously.
Your anger should be focused upon the insurrection that caused these deaths and the treachery that betrayed the country as well as the president. Not at the man upon whom the insurrection was focused.
I think people here are giving Trump too much leeway with his pro-vaccine attitude.
It wouldn’t make much difference if Trump was just a guy next door, however, it does even now when he is not president anymore:
He and Melania were allegedly vaccinated and he supposedly had a booster shot, however, no one knows which vaccines they used.
Also, isn’t it a contradiction that on one hand he is such a brilliant negotiator because of his acute business sense but on the other hand he can be fooled like a baby by a bunch of “experts” in the matter which affects the health of the whole country and, ultimately, the world?
What might he do to our “liberties” if and when he is back in power after he is fooled again by the “experts”?
Besides, it is 2 years later now, and so much negative information has been revealed about the vaccines that he shouldn’t be so faithful to his earlier convictions.
Actually, he keeps changing his mind on it, I don’t know what caused it every time it happened.
@Tanna
@Edgar
I emphatically agree with you both. In fact, as Edgar notes, Trump deserves even more credit than simply he did what anyone would do, as both his statements and personal actions in support of Early Treatment went against all the “experts”, something that few in his position would have dared to espouse. I have always been impressed with the fact that Trump, a businessman with no scientific training or background, saw thru the obviousness of the nonsense that was being cast about against treating the “Covid positive” patients, ie those with a positive test. The inaccuracy of the test provided a wide blanket of potential victims upon whom to focus a protective treatment, but only if you would actually provide the treatment. I was equally, probably more than equally, horrified that the medical establishment found his very sound policy of protection of the ill to be so concerning that they created a legal work-around that quite effectively blocked his explicit order to make HCQ available to the general public – thank you Eric Bright and Janet Woodcock – and thereby condemned hundreds of thousands of Americans to death and magnitudes more to suffer needlessly with potentially life impairing ailments. And this was ~7 months before the “vaccine” was even available, when the alternative to Early Treatment was no treatment at all.
To @Raphael’s point, though, he only questioned the current support for the vaccines given what everyone knows now about the vaccines. Honestly, I don’t care what any politician believes about the vaccines, or any healthcare issue, if it is not going to be leveraged against personal liberties. Medical options should be weighed and considered between a patient and their doctor and the input of any politician is quite speculative and irrelevant to such personal decisions. I also emphatically agree with @Raphael, that as long as the use of the vaccines remains a point of choice, it really is not a contest, and with Trump, this has always been the standard that he has upheld.
I do, however, believe quite strongly that there is overwhelming evidence that these “vaccines” are dangerous and need to be pulled from the market. Til they are, however, it should be made available as a choice driven treatment without coercion or mandate.
@TANNA-
suport your position on Trump absolutely. Concerning the Vaccines he was guided by the experts against his own desires and feelings. He himself, from then very beginning had researched and come up with HCQ. He made it public that everyone should take it that he was using it himself, which he was. He was doing much public appearances and speaking , keeping himself healthy with the HCQ, but eventually the experts over whelmed him.
They presented him with faked results. Actually failed HCQ results , but they were of very old and sick people, whereas the potion was to be taken within the first 5 days, along with other items like Zinc etc. which HE was doing . …………….
Another good article:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/nato-declares-intent-include-all-countries/5776739
@FelixQuigley
A very interesting article about opinions:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/destination-ukraine-ignorance-war/5775354
Raphael said:
“that I am deeply puzzled by his(Trumps) support of the Covid-19 vaccine. With what we all know now, it makes no sense. But, as long as people have the freedom to decline it, and can live their lives normally, without restrictions, I can overlook Trump’s support of it as just a mistake. He’s entitled, I guess.”
several have made comments here about Trump helping get a vaccine as if he did something wrong. Each of you ask yourself. If you where the president of the USA and every medical expert was telling you that if something BIG didn’t happen there would be millions and millions of people dead. What would you have done? I tell you what you would have done……. you would have done just what the experts told you to do because they where the medical professional’s…….. You would have used your power as the President to speed up the process to get a vaccine, because all the experts said that was the only way to keep the dead bodies out of the street. What I don’t understand is how one can so easily forgot the facts on the ground at the time President Trump was making decisions.
This is definitely wrong. With conditions plus intervention by a conscious party a mass revolutionary socialist party great changes can happen
Rest is more than reasonable
Is normal. No conspiracy is needed.
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@felixQuigley
I realized about a year ago that the US policies (COVID-related) were designed to prepare the population for war (getting rid of the sick and elderly, impoverishment, increasing dependence on the gov’t, rising anger and discontent requiring an outlet, training the population to act like a school of fish at a gov’t command, suspending the democratic freedoms, etc.)
After closely following the latest Ukrainian debacle, I am becoming convinced that the “Western community of nations” led by the Anglos is seeking to replay WWII with the same aims (but this time being victorious) as in WWII regarding the Slavs and the Jews.
It is not merely about removing Putin, it is about removing Russia and most of its population.
Zelensky, in my opinion, is in a terrible predicament – if he gives in to Russia, he will be assassinated, and if he doesn’t – he still makes a beautiful “martyr for the Ukrainian cause” plus his behavior contributes greatly to the rise of antisemitism and dividing the Jews.
I also don’t like how they drag Israel into it as a some kind of powerful decisive force to show how “Jews [allegedly] rule the world”.
“the Jewish circles” always rush to defend “the underdog” and to show their patriotism without doing much thinking or having the right information.
I think that everyone has his own opinion and they are not likely to give it up no matter what.
@Raphael
No I didn’t I said he was the salvation.
Reader
3) he started defunding Social Security by suspending the tax, and would continue to defund it if reelected which would result in impoverishment including starvation and homelessness of tens of millions of the American elderly (but who needs those useless eaters anyway, right?);
4) I watched an interview with him on YouTube where he said that economic depressions are necessary to “clear out the trash” which is a common belief among the very rich but is kind of strange for someone who wants to MAGA and purports to be on the side of the common people;
5) he called for bringing the manufacturing back to the US which is very praiseworthy, however, you have to consider that in order for the US to become attractive enough for the manufacturers now situated in China, India, and Southeast Asia, the American level of prosperity must be brought BELOW that of the above countries (in order for the Americans to fight for any job that hasn’t been assigned yet to be done by robots and other machinery) which is not easy – for example, about 10 years ago in India $2,000.00/a year was considered to be a good salary (I don’t have the more recent data);
Your points 3 4 5 deserve an answer from every single person especially Ted the editor. They are clearly a Fascist program for America.
And urgently since they all promote this man and too often hold silence. No more silence!
Please note to round out these points of yours I have added my own which is the treachery to the Jewish people of supporting a Fascist Jew Zelensky which I see as being quite common in Jewish circles
I am NOT being critical of Ted Belman at all but am simply aghast at how central issues are pretty well missed. There must be the necessary freedom of debate
This is obscured
I have no problems with praise which can be a good thing
But praising the research of Adam serves only to obscure a vital issue
Which is why many leading Jews today are supporting a Fascist Jew
That is Zelensky
Show me Ted where Adam has dealt with this fiendish Fascist Jew?
He is on record of supporting the Stepan Bandera movement of the Ukrainian nationalist alliance with the Nazis
This is widespread now among Jews. It is visible in the articles to name just one of Caroline Glick. She is certainly a supporter of this Fascist Jew Zelensky.
As editor it’s time to give some leadership.
Skip your praise Ted for this Bandera supporter (through his support for Zelensky) called Adam Dalgliesh
Oh my, what a huge kettle of fish!
First…Turley…I’ve followed him for a long time. He is very interesting, but I think that he bases a lot of his conclusions on wishful thinking. Is Russia really crushing the Great Reset? Not likely.
To those of you who doubt that the NWO is real, I find it very hard to reply to you. It is everywhere around us.
Uighurs…Yes, the Chinese are oppressing them, but consider the context. Islamic terrorism was a big problem in western China, and the Uighurs were often implicated. The Chinese don’t take any crap from restive minorities. Should anyone have been surprised?
@Ted You said that you think Trump may be part of “the system”. Perhaps. I suppose that depends on what you consider to be “the system”. He does oppose the Leftist policies of the Democrats. He wants to secure the border. He wants us to become energy independent. He favors cleaning up our electoral system. Trump also moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem. That was a big deal. He does have “issues” but, basically, he espouses Conservative values, so I have to go with him. I will say, however, that I am deeply puzzled by his support of the Covid-19 vaccine. With what we all know now, it makes no sense. But, as long as people have the freedom to decline it, and can live their lives normally, without restrictions, I can overlook Trump’s support of it as just a mistake. He’s entitled, I guess.
@Vivarto I decided to avoid this video, because the last one I watched was so repulsive, not just because of the cheerleading for hostile cultures, but also his bizarre affect. There’s nothing wrong with being on the spectrum, but if he wants to present his ideas in public, he should work with a coach who will teach him to suppress his sick enjoyment of tragedy.
I almost can’t stand this Dr. Steve Turley.
He often does have some valuable analysis, but they way he talks, I feel totally turned off.
It’s a torture to listen to him.
@Ted
I appreciate your generous words. Just trying to present a relevant input.
Dr. Steve didn’t discuss the likely possibility of China taking over Taiwan. From the Chinese point of view it’s a window of opportunity not to be missed. If indeed China is finalizing it’s preparations to invade Taiwan, we may see even stronger ties between Russia and China. Orban’s landslide victory yesterday in Hungary against uncle Giyuri (George Soros) definitely dealt a blow to the NWO. We could expect the eastern European nations, Hungary, Croatia, Romania and Poland to take over the EU and crash the NWO.
@ Ted. Many thanks for your kind words, Ted. I especially appreciate that you remain my friend in spite of our disagreement over this particular issue.
I composed a long and detailed reply to your comment in the comment space here earlier in the morning (EST). But iforgot to to press the “Post” button, so it has all been lost. Maybe just as well.
My main points were that
* I don’t think that NATO posed a threat to Russia before it invaded Ukraine. But because of its furious reaction to the invasion, the massive rearmament of the NATO allies, and the harsh economic sanctions it has imposed on Russia, it may now be a threat to Russia’s prosperity and even political stability in the future.
*I don’t believe there is or ever was a New World Order. The Davos group may wish to create such an order dominated by themselves. But they have not succeeded in creating such an order, and I don’t think they will succeed in doing so.
* I don’t think the Davos group is leading the charge against Russia or behind the negative response to the invasion by the NATO states.
*The actual “globalists,” whose comentaries I follow on the internet, are almost unanimously opposed to NATO’s economic sanctions against Russia, because they believe they will damage the ability of the Western capitalists ability to trade with and invest in the rest of the world. And this international free trade is the fundamental globalist principle.
* To the extent that there is any sort of “world order” in the world
today, it is the frayed remnants of the American-dominated world order that emerged after World War II. It is understandible and from their own point of view justified that Russia and China are working to eliminate what remains of this American domination. But that does not justify their agressions against smaller neighboring countries, or their repression of their own people.
*I agree that there are elements of hypocricy in the West’s furious denunciation of Russia’s aggression in the Ukraine. The Western powers have committed similar misdeeds in the past, and they have failed to acknowledge and apologise for them. But wrongdoing by several nations in the past does not justify or excuse wrongdoing by other nations in the present. While it may be wrong for “the pot to call the kettle black,” the kettle doesn’t turn white when it does so.
@Ted Belman
I know you will disagree with me but, in my opinion, Trump is part of the system and has been for a long time.
I think his reelection campaign is merely serving to let out some steam and to make the voters wait for the better days when their favorite is again in power.
The system will simply not allow an outsider to enter it under any circumstances.
You cannot ignore certain facts:
1) it was Trump who forced the FDA to approve the COVID vaccine with “whirlwind” speed;
2) his administration’s main task was to dismantle all the environmental protection laws that it could lay its eager hands on (in anticipation of the US having to replace at least some of the Russian and Ukrainian exports of oil, gas, wheat, etc – yes, of course, they plan all sorts of outcomes in advance)?
3) he started defunding Social Security by suspending the tax, and would continue to defund it if reelected which would result in impoverishment including starvation and homelessness of tens of millions of the American elderly (but who needs those useless eaters anyway, right?);
4) I watched an interview with him on YouTube where he said that economic depressions are necessary to “clear out the trash” which is a common belief among the very rich but is kind of strange for someone who wants to MAGA and purports to be on the side of the common people;
5) he called for bringing the manufacturing back to the US which is very praiseworthy, however, you have to consider that in order for the US to become attractive enough for the manufacturers now situated in China, India, and Southeast Asia, the American level of prosperity must be brought BELOW that of the above countries (in order for the Americans to fight for any job that hasn’t been assigned yet to be done by robots and other machinery) which is not easy – for example, about 10 years ago in India $2,000.00/a year was considered to be a good salary (I don’t have the more recent data);
6) his peace plan for the ME I think I don’t have to describe anymore having posted the map of it here more than once or twice. Luckily, the settlers rebelled sensing a poisoned bait, and I am not sure about the desirability of the Abraham Accords, either, because of the possible deleterious clauses which might be hidden inside them;
7) both Trump and Giuliani riled up the crowd which then went to the Capitol. Trump and Giuliani, surprisingly, got away with what in the end amounted to a slap on the wrist, while the useful idiots ended up with criminal prosecutions and long jail sentences for doing pretty much nothing. Will the Americans ever try again to gather and present their grievances to the government? I really don’t think so.
I think that Jews should finally try to learn from what happened less than a hundred years ago and do their best to get out of the Diaspora (you already did, thankfully).
@Ted Belman
As long as Israel doesn’t impose THEM on itself like it has been doing with the US for decades.
Israel seems to have a severe leadership crisis with the see-saw politics learned from the US (Right wing/Left wing) where it makes no difference who is in power, they are both suicidal (or homicidal in the case of the Israeli Arabs).
There is no winner in the conventional sense because globalism is playing both sides. The same deception presents Coke and Pepsi as competitors. They are not competitors because they are owned/controlled by the same globalist investment firms. Only the public is duped into believing a competition exists. In the case of Coke/Pepsi the public gets sick from its product – in the case of Ukraine/Russia they die. In the case of Pfizer/Moderna they also die or are irreversibly damaged. Death supports globalism’s unapologetic depopulation agenda. The insidious mRNA jabs support psychopaths like Yuval Harari who unapologetically states human beings are simply hackable animals. It is very difficult for the civilized mind to accept the malevolence and madness of the globalist agenda, but denial is not a survival strategy.
@Linda
So for you, it doesn’t matter which side wins as both sides are on the same side…
Trump and the MAGA movement are our only salvation then..
That’s what I am counting on.
I completely disagree with Steve Turley. Russia is not crushing the Great Reset and the New World order is not imploding – far from it. I don’t believe a word of the reporting coming out of the Ukraine/Russia conflict. I look elsewhere for answers.The Biden regime could end the war in Ukraine immediately if it started pumping oil. Instead, the anti-American globalist Biden regime is funding Russia’s war effort at $100/barrel. Putin is not stupid, he has inflated the price of oil, and is demanding payment in rubles which is stabilizing Russia’s faltering economy. Change happens incrementally. Putin, like Zelensky, is playing his scripted part in the greater globalist scheme. Following Henry Kissinger’s feudal “new” world order map, after the world is reordered into regions, Putin’s reward will be a fiefdom of a reunified USSR. And let’s not forget the millions of Ukrainians being relocated into Europe and now the US which will further collapse the western economies. The Biden regime’s anti-American wrecking ball is in full view on our southern border as millions of unvetted illegal immigrants pour into the country. It is the Cloward-Piven strategy for economic collapse on steroids. The welfare system is completely overwhelmed and collapses into socialism’s transfer of taxpayer money to fund the globalist supported invasion – all for our own good of course. The tragedy is the horrific loss of innocent lives in Ukraine, at the southern border, and by the lethal mRNA jabs. All just collateral damage for the megalomaniacs and psychopaths determined to rule the world. Wake up America! Wake up Israel! Your globalist governments are intent on destroying your nation state. They are collaborators in the Great Reset and New [old feudal] World Order which continues to move forward in its inexorable march toward planetary governance in the new normal of feudal bondage in the global managerial state.
@Adam @Peloni
Thank you for all the research you do. Your contribution to Israpundit is invaluable.
@Adam
Your condemnation of Turley is appreciated. I, on the other hand have been embracing him..
Having said that I do not know what the difference is between being ruled by the Uni-polar NWO or a multi-polar world. Is it good or bad for the Jews or freedom loving people any where.. Both alternatives crush democracy. I no longer worship the US.. My article The Pot is Calling the Kettle Black. written Feb 26/22 remains my position. I am against anything this illegitimate President does..
When I stand by Putin I do so because his demands are reasonable given past history. I do so, not because I want a multipolar world but because I don’t want the NWO. I don’t know how to choose between the two.
I know the NWO is backed by globalists and they are at war with the nationalists. My primary concern is not whether Russia and China are democracies and whether they defend human rights but whether they will impose themselves on other countries like Israel. Perhaps I should expect them to impose themselves on Israel just like the globalists do. That is my dilemma.
Sorry, I got the name of Putin’s favorite philosopher wrong. It is Alexander Dugin. See https://www.memri.org/reports/anti-liberal-russian-philosopher-dugin-it-not-just-about-restoring-territorial-integrity, an excellent article from Memri. It is clear from this summary of an article by Dugin, published on February 25, 2022 just as the Russian invasion of Ukraine was beginning, that Dugin is the source of Turley’s ideas.
Turley is repeating verbatim the doctrines of Putin’s favorite philosoper and geopolitical theoretician, a man named Dunin ( I can’t remember his first name), about Russia and China being “tradition-based” civilizations that form a “Eurasian” bloc to counter the West. Putin has made a show of embracing the Russian Orthodox church and claiming to be a Christian believer in order to create the impression that he is a Russian traditionalist. Dunin, an academic, provides the propaganda to support Putin’s claims to represent traditional Russia.
Putin’s rule does resemble in some ways the rule of the tsars–the pervasive secret police, for example, the immense and corrupt bureaucracy, and the vast economic gap between a small and wealthy elite and the vast number of desperately poor people. But surely these are not aspects of Russia’s past that any decent human being would want to perpetuate. But Putin’s tyranny also resembes that of the Communists. And they were actively hostile to Russia’s traditional culture, even trying to stamp out its religious component. Putin, despite his traditionalist pose, also says that the collapse of the Soviet Union was “the greatest tragedy in history.” He served the Coomunist dictatorship for many years before the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. It was not a Russian- tradition-based regime.
This guy Turley is a disgrace. Ugh! He is supporting these two vicious, genocidal corrupt tyrants, Putin and Xi, who are hostile to his own country, committing genocide against their own minorities, and engaged in armed agression against neighboring countries, and killing hundreds and thousands of innocent people. And he has the impudence to call himself a “patriot!” He does not even mention the terrible suffering of the millions of innocent people under the thumb of these tyrants.
The Ukrainian and Uighur peoples have nothing to do with the Davos group. Neither have the thousands of innocent Russians and Chinese whom these tyrants have murdered and/or placed in concentration camps.
The claim that that these tyrants are a “civilizational” force is utterly absurd. There is nothing civilized about mass murder. And if this behavior is indeed characteristic of civilization, thenf__k civilization! Numerous “primitive” and “pre-civilized” tribes are more humane than the “civilizations” ruled by Henry VIII, Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Xi and Putin.
It is also utterly false that there is anything “traditional” about contemporary Russia and China. They borrowed the ideology of the Soviet Union and the CCP from the writings of two German ideologues who had utter contempt for the traditions of Russia and China. They have imported all the institutions of the capitalist United States–banks, the stock market, brokerages, corporate structures, etc., from the United States and Wall Street. THey have also imported Western educational structures and practices–universal and compulsary schooling, colleges and universities—that have absolutly no precedent in Russian and Chinese history, where education was for the few whose families could pay for it. They have imported Western science and technology and seek to make huge profits from it by trading with the West.
I admit their are few characteristics of their pre-modern Western civilizations that they have retained–absolute rule by emperors, no called presidents or chairmen (Western titles), the absence of the rule of law (they are not “rule based civilizations,” meaning the government is free to torture and murder you or put you in a concentration camp anytime it feels like it ), and the existence of a huge, thoroughly corrupt bureaucracy. These are the only aspects of these countries’ pre-Western civilizations, that their current rulers have preserved.
The Davos group and Klaus Schalb are not advocates of a “liberal world order.” On the contrary, they advocate and a highly regimented society on the model of Russia and China. And I have not seen any evidence that they are especially hostile to the Chinese and Russian dictatorships, or vice versa.
@Peloni. Thanks for keeping us informed about developments in this story, Peloni. I too am unsure how much of this story to believe. I was surprised that RT published an article about Azov, very critical, but it did not mention that members of the batallion or its leaders were not shot down while attempting to evacuate by helicopter.
The “fog of war” definitely is a reality. In every war, all sorts of stories circulate. It is often very difficult to determine who is telling the truth.
Last but not least about Azov: it does seem likely that all or nearly all of them have been killed in Mariupol. Nearly the entire battalion was sent to the city to defend it, no Ukrainian forces were able to break through to relieve the siege, and the Azovs were said by the refugees who escaped that they were fighting fanatically and dying to the last man rather than surrendering. In addition, the Russian soldiers in control of the city were checking every refugee whom they allowed to leave for any sign that they might be Azovs or other Ukrainian soldiers. They are said to have checked not only for concealed weapons but even for the characteristic tatoos that might indicate that they were members of Azov or one of the other special forces battalions that had been holding out in the city. So I think we can assume that the Azov batallion no longer exists as a fighting force. If the Ukrainian armed forces commanders want to reconstitute the battalion because of its reputation for heroism in Ukraine, they could (if they wanted to) screen out any neo-Nazi or white racist volunteers. We will have to wait to learn the future, if any, of “Azov.”
@Adam
I have been following the developing story of the Azov commanders failed evacuation for the past 5 days, and it is an odd story with multiple versions. There are reports that there were 2-5 choppers involved in the attempted evacuation, with two shot down and the others retreating to Mariopol. Two French citizens were on board, and there has been confirmation of their position, but it is all conflicting. Some claim they were the pilots, others say they were translators, and others claim they were French special forces officers who were fighting alongside Azov in Mariupol. Ukraine and Russia have each confirmed that French forces are present in Marioupul fighting with Azov, so this much at least is likely true. The Russians tracked the choppers entering Mariupol and allowed them to land and later when they took off the choppers were engaged, one being shot down with US Stinger missile, reportedly abandoned on the battlefield, ironically. One chopper landed in the Sea of Azov and the other crashed with all passengers dying with the exception of 2 who were severely wounded. These two are reportedly talking and giving info on the circumstances surrounding the evacuation attempt, but I really am not giving much credence to many of the reports that I have read on the topic.
One point of interest is that just prior to the evacuation attempt, Macron called Putin and requested he allow people to evacuate Mariupol, which Putin has previously called for, which seemed odd to many that Macron was not aware of this fact. It seems Macron wanted his soldiers to walk out, maybe. Also just previous to the attack the head of the French Military Intelligence was fired, and some are speculating that it is due to the French forces now caught in Mariupol. There is also the controversy that the Ukrainians were to fight to the last man and then sent choppers to rescue the leadership, which leaves a very poor impression and some questioning how much of any of this is true.
Really, I believe a great deal of what is being reported is idle speculation, but this is what I have read on the subject over nearly the past week.
More on recent reports about Azov. The Wikopedia article about this organization says that one of the founding members of the battalion is Jewish. And that he continues to be one of the group’s leaders today (or at least, when Wikipedia was last updated). I only learned this when I visited the main library in Orange County NY today, because my home computer program is dying, and I can’t access even Wikipedia on it. Wikipedia also says that the organization was supported financially by a Ukrainian Jewish billionaire from its inception to when it was incorporated into the Ukrainian National Guard. (Since the Guard took over the Azov battalion, it has not allowed it to receive private contributions or to give political indoctrination to recruits).
In a recent interview with al-Jazeera, shortly before his alleged death, the batallion commander pointed out that there were both Jewish and Muslim members of the battalion, and the other battalion members “treat them as brothers.” He also said that the battalion takes its orders from the president of Ukraine, Zelensky, who “by the way” is Jewish. (Adding “by the way” sounded odd to me).
Just a brief update on the Azov situation.
According to one Youtube channel, the Russian deputy defense minister has announced that the entire leadership of the Azov battalion, about 30 people in all, were killed when two helicopters that the Ukrainians were trying to extract these leaders from Mariupol were shot down by Russian aircraft. Accordinto this channel, he mentioned the names of the four top commanders of the Azov battalion, whose names were referenced by the channel’s (not very good) translator. (Apparently the channel’s original language is Russian, and their translations sounds like something produced by Google Translate). Be that as it may, I cannot dismiss this report out of hand.
However, I was suprised to learn that yesterday’s edition of RT had an article about Azov and its alleged Nazi connections that said nothing about their leaders having been killed. In fact, it quoted from the remarks by the batallion’s commander, made when he was interviewed by an al-Jazeera reporter a few days before his alleged death. I don’t know what to make of this cinconsitency. Can any of my fellow readers give us information or sources that will clarify this matter?