He refers to the rise of the “civilization state” which essentially embraces the culture of the state. LIKE ISRAEL
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Menu There is no diplomatic solutionIsrael should declare three nos;
no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
This is why Eric Zemmour is running! to save France, its culture and history from European wokism (controlled by the US)!
Macron, a Schwab’s baby!
Putin knows that Xi is no friend!
Elito-klepto-western fascism (Wokism) is a danger to humanity.
Already the MSM/elitocracy consider half of the American population as an enemy of “their state”!
@peloni
Thanks for the newer video, however, I think the older one explains the context and the reasons more clearly (there is only Mearsheimer in it).
I’ve gotten through the first 45 minutes of the newer one so far, maybe it will get better as I keep listening to it.
I strongly recommend a video released yesterday of John Mearsheimer and others discussing the Ukraine crisis, its implications, causes and history(skip to 3min 41sec):
Putin’s Invasion of Ukraine Salon | Ray McGovern, John Mearsheimer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppD_bhWODDc
The video is a good followup to the video that @Reader by Mearsheimer which was dated from 2015, which was an important review of the situation 7yrs ago. This current video covers many more topics with more voices and perspectives shared, including the recent change in nuclear preparedness of Russia, the 2014 coup in Ukraine, specific analysis of Putin himself and his motives, among other topics. They also briefly discuss whether Ukrainian agency and rights have a greater importance in international affairs than the security rights of Russia. Again, I strongly recommend this video.
@Felix
Thanks for the Kevin article. Well worth reading.
I never heard of the bombardment of east Ukraine just as he says.
Felix,
Thanks for cut/pasting the Global Research article. I do not subscribe to that website, so I can’t get more than headlines there.
You seem to know Ukrainian history well enough; but for the others, let me clarify:
1. “Russia” was founded in 882 by a tribe of Swedish Varangians, who plied the Russian rivers from the Baltic to the Black Sea. Their first capital was Kiev, which is now Kyiv, Ukraine.
2. Today’s “Russians” and “Ukrainians” were one and the same people under Kievan Rus. They were divided from one another during the time of the Mongol invasions: Kiev and much of today’s Ukraine were absorbed by Poland-Lithuania, and the Duchy of Muscovy (the core of today’s Russia) became tributary to the Mongols. Despite the division, which lasted some 500 years, Polish Ukraine continued to follow the Orthodox Christianity of the Russians, not the Roman Catholicism of the Poles. Today’s Belarussians had a similar history, coming under the rule of the Lithuanians.
3. in the 1700s, Poland-Lithuania was reduced piecemeal by the neighboring Germans, Austrians and Russians; and Belarus and Ukraina were re-absorbed into the Russian Empire.
Ted, you said,
Ditto from me, on every point.
@Everyone (especially Adam and BK if he is still reading the posts here)
Tony Kevin
Global Research
https://www.globalresearch.ca/thoughts-endgame-ukraine/5772305
Tony Kevin explains in the following extract that the Media has been a media which has long left journalism behind…but I note in addition to Tony why that whole experience of Yugoslavia was so important:
“It has been uniquely bizarre to watch from here, as someone who now feels personally very comfortable in Russia after three independent visits in 2016, 2018 and 2019, how Western elites have finally become so entrapped in their own false information warfare narrative on Ukraine that they can no longer see what is real and under their very noses: Russian military power, her determination, her moral strength that comes from knowing she is in the right.
After eight years of standing by and watching helplessly the vicious Ukronazi-driven cruelty towards the four million people of Donbass, and the Ukronazi intimidation of their many cowed and silent sympathisers across the rest of Ukraine, Russia finally acted on 24 February 2022. For Russians, this had been a running sore over eight years since the Maidan Square coup in Kiev in 2014, instigated by the United States.
The vicious artillery war started by the new President Poroshenko in May 2014 against the rebel mini states Donetsk and Lugansk went completely unreported in the West. What did western mainstream media editors think: that the great and proud cities of Donetsk and Lugansk with their four million Russian-speaking people and their memories of heroic defiance of Nazi invaders in 1941-45 were muddy little villages of no importance? And that their people’s sufferings did not matter in the larger scheme of things? 13,000 dead here, over 100,000 homeless refugees from bombed-out apartment buildings and houses? And every few days, more lethal shells randomly raining down on these cities and villages? Data carefully recorded by OSCE peace monitors, but not a word about this in Western media. Ever. Not even now. Not a word either in Western media about the growing infiltration and embedment in the Ukrainian National Army and national administration of people who can accurately only be defined as Ukronazis – people who glory and commemorate with statues, flags and torchlight parades of angry young head-shaven men, the crimes committed by their grandfathers during and after WW2 – by people like like Bandera who allied with Hitler in pursuit of their nationalist dreams, who seized the opportunity to murder Jews, Poles, political opponents, anyone who stood in the way of their mad dream of a cohesive Ukrainian-speaking Ukraine with all other human elements removed or suppressed. They reject Ukraine’s rich cultural heritage as the cradle of Russian Christianity and civilisation: they reject the rich diversity of today’s multicultural
diversity of today’s multicultural Ukraine, with its Greeks, Jews, Tatars, Turks, Romanians, Hungarians, Moldovans – and above all its native Russian speakers, making up at least half or more of the population.
Since 2014, with American help and money, Ukraine has been refashioned as a nationalistic state, a deadly weapon aimed against Russia. The Ukronazis, never spoken about on the West, have been given an easy road towards power. Other elements in the national makeup have been intimidated and suppressed as a Ukrainian national identity has been imposed on a multicultural people. The message from nationalists has been – become part of our dream of Ukraine, or leave. We have no use for you, this is our land now.
The Russian Orthodox Church was penetrated and turned against the church centre in Moscow. A tragic schism has taken place.
Terrible events – above all, the torching by Ukronazis of the Odessa Trades Union Building in April 2014, and the burning to death of 45 peaceful protesters who had taken refuge inside – drove home the deterrent message of suppression of human rights. Do not resist us, you will pay with your lives.
And the heroism of the people of Lugansk and Donetsk in saying no to such cruelty, in taking up arms to defend their vision of their homeland after Poroshenko in May 2014 ordered an all-out military assault on them – all this went unreported in the West.
For eight long years the Russian government tried to make the Minsk Accords peace process work. Kiev prevaricated and sneered, as the shells continued to rain down death on the rebel regions. And as the US and NATO pumped more and more weapons and instructors in terrorism and sabotage into Ukraine.
Finally in December last year, Russia had had enough. Putin tried to propose ambitious new principles for relations with the West, most importantly a pledge that Ukraine would never join NATO and the withdrawal of NATO weapons from Russia’s borders. All to no avail. The West prevaricated, cherry-picked and sneered at Russia’s peace proposals. ”
End Extract Quote
The above by Tony Kevin is great journalism. It is passionate and above all packed with vital information that can be checked.
And how will the truth out in the end is a question which shimmers about?
@Adam
I beg to differ.. I am one of the people you are referring to.. I am a MAGA person. I am against what America is now. I hate the pandemic, open borders and wokeism and the Democrats for stealing the election. I have no respect for the current regime in the US. Why would I ever root for them. I think Russian demands before the invasion were reasonable..
Turley on the other hand looks at the big picture. He said Globalisation for the world has suffered a great blow and the “Civilization state” is on the rise.
Israel is one of those civilization states, Turley is talking about. I don’t see Russia as an enemy even though Bear demanded that I do. .There is no question that the US is a bigger danger to Israel than Russia is. Just look at the Iran deal and the demands put on Israel by the US, EU and the UN to give in to a TSS.
I am sorry to see all the bloodshed in Ukraine but do I care if Ukraine is absorbed by Russia, not in the slightest. I have no skin in that fight.
Turley, like many on the Right, has revealed his anti-American and anti-democratic views. The pro-Russian right is opposed to democracy and regards the United States as the enemy. The ir claim to be “patriots” is a lie.
Disturbing how many conservatives have pro-Russian sympathies.
I spent 3 years traveling in Eastern Europe and the Balkans. Including a month in Kyiv. One take-home lesson: They are all separate nations. Another: they’re sick and tired of commies and forced togetherness. They study English not Russian, because they don’t like the extreme poverty imposed on them by all that bs Slavic togetherness. I’ll bet Putin can’t wait to get his hands on the mile after mile of gorgeous farmland, which is more impressive than anything I saw in California. Togetherness=land grab.
I think you’re missing the point, Ketzel. The Ukraine is definitely a country, a bilingual one at that, but it is definitely NOT a civilization. The Orthodox World, on the other hand, focused on Russia and Greece, definitely is.
The New World Order is sharply defined by the recent UN vote:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/United_Nations_General_Assembly_resolution_ES-11_L.1_vote.svg/800px-United_Nations_General_Assembly_resolution_ES-11_L.1_vote.svg.png
To anyone with a modicum of knowledge of world history, the “green” countries all have historical connections, ultimately, to the Roman Empire. China, Russia and India, on the other hand, have other, ancient roots. Israel also has a root culture that pre-dates the Roman Republic.
If the New World Order is, as Tierney believes, crumbling, something obviously must replace it. An example of a “parallel world” is the former Communist Bloc during the Cold War — in which there was little connectivity between the West (i.e. the NWO), Russia and China.
https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2022/03/03/hmmm-revolt-among-russian-orthodox-bishops-over-putins-ukraine-war-n452621
Some Russian Orthodox priests said it better!
If Russia wants its own cultural identity, fine. But it seems to be at the expense of Ukrainian cultural identity. I’m neutral and against escalation of this latest globalist hoax, but Ukrainians aren’t Russian. Being Orthodox doesn’t turn people into Russians. Russian imperialists need stronger psychological boundaries.