See also: Islamists Surge Ahead in Egyptian Elections By Andrew C. McCarthy
It would be hard to overstate what a catastrophe the Egyptian elections are shaping into. Reports about stage one of the long process show not only that the Muslim Brotherhood may be getting over 50 percent of the vote; an even more extreme Islamist party — called “Nour” — is apparently getting between 10 and 15 percent.
By Barry Rubin, GLORIA
Since last February I have predicted that the Muslim Brotherhood would win elections in Egypt. People have thought me very pessimistic. Now the votes are starting to come in and…it’s much worse than I thought. But my prediction that the Brotherhood and the other Islamists would gain a slight majority seems to have been fulfilled and then some. According to most reports the Brotherhood is scoring at just below 40 percent all by itself.
Why worse? For two reasons:
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First, the votes we now have come from the most urban areas of the country. If there are Facebook sophisticates they’re going to be in Cairo and Alexandria. If the moderates do that bad in the big cities, what’s going to happen in the villages up the Nile? If the fascist party came in first in some European countries Social Democratic districts you know you are in trouble.
The Brotherhood came in first in Cairo and Alexandria. Think about that. Of course there are millions of migrants from rural areas in those places but that’s also where the middle class, such as it is, lives.
Second, the moderate parties didn’t even come in second they came in third or close to it. The Salafists—that is people who are even more radical than the Muslim Brotherhood—came in second. That they did that well is a surprise. That they did that well without bumping the Brotherhood down a notch is really shocking.
Estimates for the Justice Party, the Facebook kids of January are getting 5 to 10 percent. Even together with the other two main moderate parties that means the liberals won’t be able to block anything. Already the Brotherhood is tasting blood and talking about pressing the army junta to accelerate the turnover of power.
It’s hard to see, though that there can be any such transfer of power. The voting is far from finished and will be going on for about three months more, followed by a presidential election. Oh, yes, the results so far suggest that the Islamists will also win the presidency.
That’s when the fun really starts. President Barack Obama is going to face a challenge he is incapable of meeting since he doesn’t even understand what’s going on. He’s like a man who has been told that a ferocious lion is really a playful kitten and then tries to feed it by hand.
Or, to switch metaphors in the middle of the stream of thought, perhaps Dr. Frankenstein is a more apt image:
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“`When younger,’” said he, `I believed myself destined for some great enterprise….I could not rank myself with the herd of common projectors. But this thought, which supported me in the commencement of my career, now serves only to plunge me lower in the dust. All my speculations and hopes are as nothing; and, like the archangel who aspired to omnipotence, I am chained in an eternal hell.’” – Mary Shelley, Frankenstein
For the purposes of this election, Egypt has been divided into three sections and each section will have a second round. I predict the moderates will fail to work together and that the Islamists will thus end up doing even better than it seems now.
The Wall Street Journal correspondent is saying that the Salafists will push the Brotherhood further to the “right” and that’s a very sensible point. Why should the Brotherhood even pretend to be moderate when the people have spoken and they want Sharia with cherries on top.
So the Islamists won and the election was fair. Should we feel good that democracy has functioned and that the people are getting what they want?
Or should we feel bad that the people want a repressive dictatorship, the repression of women, the suppression of Christians, conflict with Israel, hatred of the West, and the freezing of Egyptian society into a straitjacket that can only lead to continue poverty and increasing suffering?
As the vote count becomes clearer, I’ll be refining my analysis but now we know: This is what [Egyptian] democracy looks like.
Annex the spoils of war. Israel? On which planet? Even the Allies stopped that, and this refusal to occupy (AFTER TOTAL DEFEAT OF THE ENEMY and a period of making sure they did not start up again) led to long sanding peace with our enemies.
1 I think that we need to alter our thinking and our speech. This is NOT a matter of spoils of war. This is declaring the Jewish state’s, Israel’s state’s, the Jewish people’s TOTAL, HISTORIC RIGHT TO THIS LAND, This land BELONGS TO US.
We need to understand that words have power, contain within them concepts. So, I would write over the years,
it isn NOT the wailing wall, it is the WESTERN wall. It is NOT GIVE BACK, IT IS GIVE AWAY LAND. It is NOT occupied territories, it is OUR LAND OCCUPIED BY THEM. It is NOT the Holocaust, it is the SHOAH. And so on.
And we need to stop making compromises. Compromises only solidify the other person’s claim as just, only lead to more demands that become their rights.
We need to stop explaining. Instead we need to state the facts, period. we need PROFESSIONALS who know their facts and have the experience and skill and THE WORDS to speak with the media. NO MORE anyone else. That is what our enemy does. Stop answering THEIR questions and state instead OUR Story as FACT. If asked by so called media about THEIR casualties, we need to be prepared with photos and stories of the thousands of our casualties. Repeat our story, until they stop. No trying to convince anyone, it is a sign of weakness and doubt.
Lily
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Israel should declare if it ever has to go into a territory again due to war those territories will be permanently annexed as spoils of war. Next time, if Israel is successful it should remake the mid east: a christian state in south lebanon, Syria divided with kurdish state in syria and Iraq, as starters, permanent annexation of Sinai putting Israel across from Saudi and a possible seizing of their oil fields(saudi oilfields are all run by foreigners anyway, I’m sure they would be happy to stay under Israeli administration). If one is forced into a perpetual state of war readiness then why not use it?
I was talking to a young Egyptian Muslim yesterday as we were both waiting for medical treatment at a Calgary. Canada hospital. According to his young friends in Egypt, the votes were bought by the Muslim Brotherhood just as the votes for Hamas were bought in Gaza. Both groups have provided funding for health, education and other social services for the populace. His friends anticipate a mass exodus from Egypt, of the better educated young reformists.
When was the last time the US was successful after intervening in other country’s affairs? Lily
botted again. What else is new?
Elsewhere on Israpundit, it was noted that the Arabs, rather than having a “Spring” of new beginnings, as sliding back into the Middle Ages. The vote in Egypt is just the latest symptom.
Ezekiel 38 lists the countries that would attack Israel in the latter days (i. e. now):
Turkish: Magog, Gomer, Tubal, Mesech, Beth Togarmah
Iranian: Persia
Arab: Cush (N. Sudan), Put (Libya or Somalia)
Saudi Arabia and the GCC may be mentioned as onlookers (Sheba and Dedan), as well as NATO (the Merchants of Tarshish)
Notable by their absence? Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq.
I think Egypt is, for want of a more descriptive word, finished.