Rev Hagee: “Israel’s Fight is Our Fight”

Speech by Rev John C. Hagee at Horowitz’s Restoration Weekend:

    America should not pressure Israel to give up more land. And America must never pressure Israel to divide the city of Jerusalem.

Thank you for the privilege and pleasure of speaking at this important gathering tonight.

I’d like to begin by thanking David Horowitz and the David Horowitz Freedom Center for all that they have done for the freedom of America, especially on our college campuses.

We all know how hard it is to stand up for truth on America’s college campuses these days, when pro-Israel speakers are being shouted down and pro-Israel students are being publicly ridiculed by professors, unbelievably. This is why I’m so very grateful to have friends like David Horowitz and the David Horowitz Freedom Center, providing invaluable information, training and support for those brave students who are willing to confront the lies and the religious hatred of radical Islam.

We meet tonight at a difficult and dangerous juncture for America and for the cause of freedom around the world. Like many of you here tonight, I have subscribed to the concept that the Jewish people are the West’s canary in the coalmine. History has repeatedly demonstrated that when the Jewish people are singled out for persecution, the freedom of all citizens is at risk.

Therefore, when the Jewish people are being attacked, all Americans should stand up and wake up, and express their outrage because we are next. As Americans, we must snap out of this politically correct fog and admit that we are at war with radical Islam.

This is a war of survival. This is a war of good versus evil. This is a war of light versus darkness. This is a war between those who love life and those who worship death. It’s an easy choice. But that’s the reality. And the reality is, like it or not, you and your children and your grandchildren are in this war. There will be a winner, and there will be a loser. And to the winner goes our children and our grandchildren.

And tonight, we must commit ourselves to absolute victory over radical Islam. No exception.

Today, the Jewish people are still our canary in the coalmine. It is the Jewish State in particular that serves as the West’s warning system. America must wake up to the understanding that Iran fully intends to destroy the United States of America. When someone threatens to kill you, you should take it seriously.

We must recognize those who threaten Israel have the United States in their sights. To anyone with eyes to see and ears that hear, it is clear that Israel is in the greatest danger it has faced since six Arab armies tried to strangle the Jewish State in the birth canal in 1948.

I know that during difficult days such as these, when it seems that the whole world is against Israel, many friends of Israel such as yourselves nervously scan the horizon for friends. You look toward the United Nations, which Dore Gold calls the Tower of Babel. And I agree. You look at Europe, where the ghost of Hitler is again walking across the stage of human history.

You open your newspapers and read about America’s universities, where Israel is being viciously vilified by students taught by American — taught by professors whose Middle Eastern chairs are sponsored by Saudi Arabia, whose fees are paid with petrol dollars that went through our gas tank. You look to America’s mainline churches and their initiatives to divest from Israel. You go to the bookstore, and you see slanderous titles from a former US President, and you feel very much alone.

I came here tonight to speak about Christians United for Israel, and the millions of evangelicals in America who have a deep, faith-based belief, to love Israel, to speak up for Israel, to stand up for Israel; to stand up enough to, once a year, annually, charge up Capitol Hill with 5,000-plus delegates from every state in the Union, visiting as much as 87 percent of the US Congress, saying, Stop pressuring Israel to give land to terrorists who will not recognize Israel’s right to exist.

I came here tonight to deliver a message from those 50 million of — for those 50 million evangelicals. And I want to say this very clearly. Tonight, Israel is not alone. Your fight is our fight; your enemies are our enemies. We’re in this together to the end.

Ladies and gentlemen, it’s a new day in America. The sleeping giant of Christian Zionism has awakened. Christians are joining Jews in speaking out against militant Islam. As you know, Ahmadinejad poses a threat to the State of Israel that promises nothing less than a nuclear holocaust.

I have been saying on national television, in churches and auditoriums across America, it’s 1938 all over again. Iran is Germany, and Ahmadinejad is the new Hitler of the Middle East.

We must stop Iran’s nuclear threat. And candidly toothless, limp-wristed sanctions from Washington is simply not going to get it done.

The only way to win a nuclear war is to make certain it never starts. Iran’s president has not limited his maniacal threats to Israel; he’s also asked fellow Iranians to imagine a world without America. That’s pretty clear. It’s a clear threat to destroy the United States of America.

I have something to say to the president of Iran. Mr. Ahmadinejad, do not threaten the United States of America. Do not threaten the State of Israel. Do not threaten the State of Israel, saying, “They will pass in a sudden storm.” In the Bible, whenever Pharaoh threatened the Jews of Egypt, he became fish food in the Red Sea. Whenever Haman threatened the Jews in Persia, which is modern-day Iran, he and his sons hung on the very gallows he built for the Jewish people.

Our message, Mr. Ahmadinejad — that threats against Israel have a way of becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. You may be well speaking about your own demise when you say, “Israel will pass away with a sudden storm.” But you are not talking about Israel’s demise. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is watching you. King David writes, “The God that keepeth Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps.” Christians believe there’s a spy in the sky, and he’s Jewish.

Mr. Ahmadinejad, the Christians of America will not sit by in silence and watch you plan and plot a nuclear holocaust. There will never be another holocaust, not on our watch, not ever.

Beyond the threat from Iran, there’s another, more subtle threat that concerns me. I am concerned that in the coming months yet another attempt will be made to parcel out parts of Israel in a futile attempt to appease Israel’s enemies in the Middle East. I believe that the misguided souls in Europe, the political brothel that is the United Nations, and sadly our own administration will once again try to turn Israel into what Churchill called crocodile food. Winston Churchill, one of my favorite statesmen of all time, said — and I quote — “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile in the futile hope that it will eat him last.”

In 1938, Czechoslovakia’s Sudetenland was turned into crocodile food for the Nazi German beast. The Nazi beast smelled the weakness in the appeasers, ate the food, and then marched on to devour most of Europe and systematically slaughter six million people. Six million Jewish people.

We are again hearing calls to appease the enemies of Israel. Once again, those who would appease seek to do so at the expense of Israel. Israel is always the one called upon to sacrifice. They tell us that if we want the Sunnis and the Shiites to stop massacring each other in Iraq, then Israel must give up land. And if we want the Syrians and Hezbollah to stop murdering the leaders of Lebanon, then Israel must give up land. And if we want the Saudis to permit women to drive or vote, the obvious answer is that Israel should give up more land.

And if we want the sun to rise in the east and set in the west, the obvious answer is Israel should give up some more land.

Let me be very clear about this — Israel is not the problem here. Scapegoating Israel is not going to solve the problem. The problem is Arab rejection of Israel’s right to exist.

The problem is Israel does not have a legitimate partner for peace. The problem is radical Islam’s bloodthirsty embrace of a theocratic dictatorship that believes they have a mandate from God to kill Christians and Jews. The problem is the failure of moderates in the Arab and Muslim world to stand up and rein in these Islamic terrorists.

If the moderate Arabs believe that murdering Christians and Jews is wrong, then stand up and speak up. Your silence is deafening. Appeasement, my friends, is not the answer. To quote the great evangelical abolitionist [William] Wilberforce — he said, “Appeasement is nothing more than surrender on the installment plan.”

America should not pressure Israel to give up more land. And America must never pressure Israel to divide the city of Jerusalem.

What the Jewish people do with the city of Jerusalem is the business of the Jewish people, not the United States of America.

So I’m often asked this question — why do Christians support Israel? We support Israel because the Bible is a Zionist text, and we believe the Bible. There are only two ways to live — the Torah way, and the wrong way. And we choose the Torah way.
CONTINUE

November 24, 2010 | 47 Comments »

47 Comments / 47 Comments

  1. A.E. lol. Actually I was referring to Paul AFTER his so called transformation. Jesus was a Jew. He observed Judaism. He had NOTHING TO DO with Christianity. From ages 13 til 33 what did he do? Probably like most Jewish boys. Married and had children. Can you PROVE he didnt? Of coarse not. So then it is a possibility. From 30 to 33 ya he was a little upset. Wife and children murdered perhaps? There are other possibilities to explore OTHER THAN what has been taught so far. Why? Because something has DEFINITELY gone amiss.

  2. Mer writes:
    Of coarse Paul the zealot was formerly Saul and PRESTO became the CHOSEN ONE to replace Jesus?

    I have no idea where you get this nonsense you are spouting here. No one can replace Jesus. Paul had no intentions of replacing him either. Paul had an epiphany and realized the error of his previous ways and began to believe in what Jesus had taught. Many other Jews were way ahead of him in spreading the word of Christ.

    I have known too many vile self righteous zealots and NOT ONE OF THEM EVER TURNED AWAY FROM THEIR EVIL WAYS.

    This statement is the height of zealotry, intolerance and self-righteousness.

    So if you want to pin Christianity on someone pin it on Paul.

    Why would I want to “pin Christianity” on anyone other than Christ???!!!

    Why dont I like him? Why would I? He was against marriage. I am married. His view of women stunk. I am a woman. He was fire and brimstone and was VERY HARD on his followers. He did not give second chances.

    You keep repeating what Paul was like before his epiphany – when he was still a Jewish Pharisee and zealot. The evangelist Paul was a changed man and follower of Christ’s teachings.

    I referred you to the Golden Rule and the Sermon on the Mount, which are the essence of Christ’s philosophy along with the Ten Commandments. Perhaps you should read these and see if you can change this self-righteous and intolerant attitude that you have. You sound like a modern version of Paul before his epiphany.

  3. No A.E. you cant blame it on some rabbi. Yes Yes we know about the 12 deciples including Judas and Peter the deniar. Of coarse Paul the zealot was formerly Saul and PRESTO became the CHOSEN ONE to replace Jesus? Not likely. How do I know? I have known too many vile self righteous zealots and NOT ONE OF THEM EVER TURNED AWAY FROM THEIR EVIL WAYS. So if you want to pin Christianity on someone pin it on Paul. Why dont I like him? Why would I? He was against marriage. I am married. His view of women stunk. I am a woman. He was fire and brimstone and was VERY HARD on his followers. He did not give second chances. Yadda Yadda Yadda.

  4. Mer wrote:
    Sorry to burst your bubble but Paul wasnt a follower of anybody. He was a self righteous pompous ignoramous and the author of most of the new testament.

    You have counted yourself out by misrepresenting the truth about Christ and Paul who was a Pharisee and a Jewish zealot by his own description. Are these the lies some Rabbi out there is teaching people? How come your Rabbi did not know about all the apostles and disciples of Christ who began to spread the word of Christ long before Paul? You keep repeating what Paul did before his epiphany, which takes his life out of context and distorts the truth about him.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_Paul

    Quote:
    Within the New Testament, Paul’s conversion experience is discussed in both Paul’s own letters and in the book known by the title Acts of the Apostles. In both instances, the conversion experience is described to be miraculous or revelatory in nature. According to both sources, Paul never met Jesus before Jesus’s crucifixion and was not a follower of Jesus before the crucifixion; instead he persecuted the early Christians. Although Paul refers to himself as an “Apostle” of Jesus, it is clear that Paul was not one of “The Twelve” (1 Corinthians 9:1-2). Rather, Paul’s conversion occurred after Jesus’s crucifixion, and the accounts of Paul’s conversion experience describe it as miraculous, supernatural, or otherwise revelatory in nature.

    Before his conversion, Paul, then known as Saul, was a “zealous” Pharisee who “intensely persecuted” the followers of Jesus. Some scholars argue that Paul was a member of the “Zealot” party
    Unquote.

  5. lognieu wrote:
    Just a very short time ago you were waxing eloquent re your combined reincarnation of Washington and Lincoln, our future female messiah who was to restore America to its former glory.

    Ted wrote:
    Logniew. WARNING> If u misrepresent facts again, suchs as you did here with Palin, I will ban u from Israpundit.

    For anyone interested in the truth, here are the facts:

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.0c72364653fa48fde37dd48eded0946e.501&show_article=1

    http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=463364218434

  6. Yamit. Respect is earned. A.E. Sorry to burst your bubble but Paul wasnt a follower of anybody. He was a self righteous pompous ignoramous and the author of most of the new testament. He CHANGED things and did and said many things in the name of a Christ. His style was more antichrist. And then the Temple was destroyed. So if you want to adhere to his teachings go right ahead but COUNT ME OUT.

  7. AmericanEagle: Just a very short time ago you were waxing eloquent re your combined reincarnation of Washington and Lincoln, our future female messiah who was to restore America to its former glory.

    Yes the inimitable S. Palin,

    Sarah Palin in North Korea gaffe
    Sarah Palin, the former governor of Alaska and Tea Party favourite, has been hit by another gaffe after mistakenly declaring the US should stand by its “North Korean allies”.

    Mrs Palin, who is widely tipped to run in the 2012 presidential made the verbal slip during a live American radio interview after being asked about the war games being played out between North and South Korea.

    The former Republican Vice Presidential candidate’s foreign policy credentials suffered a blow after she claimed that Barack Obama’s administration should stand firm alongside Kim Jong-il’s Democratic People’s Republic of Korea

    On a clear day Palin can see North Korea from her Alaskan kitchen window- or is it North Dakota.

    Eagle- mention Palin one more time and you’ll get a fatter lip than Obama’s.

  8. Yamit writes:
    if you want the full litany, you could fill a large library.

    The problem with your litany is that it is selective and one-sided and therefore useless.

    If you really believe this tripe you are one sick dude.

    Yamit, no one is sicker on Israpundit than you are. You are even willing to lie for whatever sick objectives that you have against the security of Israel.

    Mer writes:
    Jesus was a Jew and he remained a Jew until the end. Christianity was created roughly 80 yrs by Paul. Paul was a persecutor a murderer. He was against marriage which is very unjewish. I dont believe he was authentic. I think he was a deceiver.

    This is such a pile of horse manure that I don’t know where to start. Christ was a Jew but his teachings were hardly Jewish. He was considered a heretic by his fellow Jews, which is why they went along with his execution by the Romans. There were many followers of Christ who were evangelists way before Paul. Whatever Paul was before, he had an epiphany and became a committed follower of Christ.

    Take a look at No. 32 above and see if it makes any sense. However, it made sense to Yamit.

  9. Thats a bleak picture Yamit.

    It was only bleak for the victims the Jews of North America were hardly effected. They carried out normal lives of mostly tried to become like their gentile neighbors and avoiding like the plague rocking the boat. They were scared and had leaders who lets say were at best were self serving and no worse than the so called Jewish leaders of today.

    But is there anything Jews can do to lessen this kind of absurd hatred?

    Hatred? No the hatred is pathological but along with the hate Jews can attain respect. I’ll settle for respect.

  10. Thats a bleak picture Yamit. It makes me wonder how I was able to insulate myself from going along with it. Many Jews have made that comment. But I think it helped that I grew up in an area that was largely populated by Jews. I had no problem with them. They seemed alot more caring and sincere than my phoney antisemetic parents. But is there anything Jews can do to lessen this kind of absurd hatred?

  11. Bullshit, they all knew what was going on and many helped the Nazis even though they themselves hated the Nazis but they hated the Jews more.

    Directed to your comment that : Most but not all catholics and christians remained silent while 6 million jews were led to slaughter. More of them probably would have helped the Jews if they had known what was going on.

    Facts do not support that assumption. Yes there were Christians even Catholics that did help but their comparative numbers are dwarfed by the vast majority who either did nothing or helped the Nazis. 3 years after the holocaust when after declaring a Jewish State and Israel was invaded by five Arab armies; the popular consensus in America and the world was that Israel would be overrun and destroyed by the vastly well armed Arab forces. The American Government embargoed weapons and volunteers to help Israel. Most Catholics were silent. Most Christians at best were apathetic. The Vatican to this day is still an inimical foe of Israel and the Jews. All of the mainstream Christian Churches are supporting our enemies and or supporting Israeli boycotts and divestment. No postulate such as the one I presented is absolute meaning while a generalization it fits the vast majority and accepts that in every case a small minority will fall outside of the generalization. In Europe they all knew or didn’t want to know.

    According to Gallop polls and others, indicate a sharp rise of American anti-Semitism in 1939-41 when papers delivered news of anti-Semitic repressions in Germany and Austria. Common Americans saw that anti-Semitism was actionable and socially acceptable. During the war, polls steadily placed Jews as the most disliked group in America, well ahead of its German and Japanese citizens

    In 1944, the Germans came up with an offer to release up to one million Jews; the Allies refused to negotiate. When Jewish organizations scrambled to collect the necessary amount, the Allies informed them that the borders would remain shut. The Jews were sent to Auschwitz.

    During the Holocaust, America, Britain, and Russia conducted daily radio broadcasts in the occupied territories. Millions of people listened to every word. Not a single time did the broadcasters warn the Jews to flee or tell them about the massacres.

    The free world gathered at the Evian conference to find a place for Jewish refugees. At the time, immigration to the US ran well below the legally established quota; even without moral considerations, the law allowed about 100,000 more immigrants per year. The US and Britain announced they would not admit any refugees, a euphemism for Jewish undesirables. Britain reneged on its obligation to establish a Jewish national home in Palestine just when it was most needed, and curtailed immigration into our own land. The laughable explanation was that the Arabs were upset about the incoming Jews—as if Britain cared in the least about the opinions of the Palestinian peasants. There was no place for Jews in any other part of the globe-spanning British empire, either. Other countries happily followed suit. The Germans got the message: their opponents didn’t want the Jews anywhere.

    Funny that these were all Christian nations or their colonies.

  12. Yamit. Was the previous comment for me or AE? I am thinking me because of your use of the word eh. Personally I have never been an enemy to the Jews. But I was a catholic and I was a christian. In my christian days a rabbi invited me to attend a class of high school students preparing for the High Holidays. He told the class that I wasnt Jewish but that I was a Good Friend of the Jewish people. Are you saying then that I am the only one? Strangely I didnt like being introduced as non jewish because I felt very Jewish. Not the rabbis fault. I wasnt going to convert. I didnt think it was necessary and I really needed a break from religion. I also need connection a community and the Jewish community is the only community who understands. It is the only community I can relate to on all levels. Its the only group of people who are willing to agree to disagree. But it takes time on both sides. I met and spoke with at least a dozen rabbis before realizing that I really needed to act. So I am like the wandering Jew. Taking the long way home but I really wasnt given much choice.

  13. Moses not Christ was given the 10 commandments.

    So what?

    Never let the truth or facts get in your way, eh? You are certainly consistent even in theological matters.

    Ignorance is bliss, so they say but your book says “The Truth Will Set You Free”.

  14. I was providing a counterpoint to Yamit’s biased and one-sided list of ancient history.

    You had better do a better job as what you are saying is not much difference than Holocaust denial.

    However, are you trying to deny that it was mostly Christians who rescued the remaining Jews from the Nazis

    ,
    If you really believe this tripe you are one sick dude.

    defeated the Fascists and Imperialists

    Well the fascist were defeated but Imperialists? Who were bigger Imperialists than England and France?

    and later the Communists,

    What communists were defeated by America? Not even little Cuba was defeated by America.

    subsidized Israel and and guaranteed its survival

    Partially subsidized but never guaranteed our survival, and a case can be made that America has worked against Israels survival.

    ,

    liberated Afghanistan

    From whom? It’s America who invaded Afghanistan not the other way around. America is getting her ass kicked by a bunch of primitive Muslim but ethnic Jews.

    Iraq from Muslim tyrants, and are now confronting the Islamic-terrorists?

    True America got a Muslim Tyrant but every Muslim leader in the ME is a Tyrant. N.Korea is led by a Tyrant, Putin is a Tyrant, Chevez is a Tyrant etc. In the end one Tyrant will replace another but not until Americas gets her ass kicked loses thousands of good men, wastes trillions of dollars and in the end the situation will be worse for all.

  15. A.E. Jesus was a Jew and he remained a Jew until the end. Christianity was created roughly 80 yrs by Paul. Paul was a persecutor a murderer. He was against marriage which is very unjewish. I dont believe he was authentic. I think he was a deceiver. Jesus was a messenger among other things. It gets too deep to get into here. But you will know them meaning your enemies by their fruits. Pauls fruits stunk.

  16. Mer writes:
    A.E. Most but not all catholics and christians remained silent while 6 million jews were led to slaughter. More of them probably would have helped the Jews if they had known what was going on.

    Bullshit, they all knew what was going on and many helped the Nazis even though they themselves hated the Nazis but they hated the Jews more.

  17. Yamit citing a long list of carefully selected ancient history,

    Yes these were selected as a time line of the lesser known persecutions and atrocities by Christians against Jews if you want the full litany, you could fill a large library.

    In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it. Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians.

    The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday.

    Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia. As Stephen Nissenbaum, professor history at the University of Massachussetts, Amherst, writes, “In return for ensuring massive observance of the anniversary of the Savior’s birth by assigning it to this resonant date, the Church for its part tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been.” The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated by drinking, sexual indulgence, singing naked in the streets (a precursor of modern caroling), etc.

    The Reverend Increase Mather of Boston observed in 1687 that “the early Christians who first observed the Nativity on December 25 did not do so thinking that Christ was born in that Month, but because the Heathens’ Saturnalia was at that time kept in Rome, and they were willing to have those Pagan Holidays metamorphosed into Christian ones.” Because of its known pagan origin, Christmas was banned by the Puritans and its observance was illegal in Massachusetts between 1659 and 1681. However, Christmas was and still is celebrated by most Christians.

    Some of the most depraved customs of the Saturnalia carnival were intentionally revived by the Catholic Church in 1466 when Pope Paul II, for the amusement of his Roman citizens, forced Jews to race naked through the streets of the city. An eyewitness account reports, “Before they were to run, the Jews were richly fed, so as to make the race more difficult for them and at the same time more amusing for spectators. They ran… amid Rome’s taunting shrieks and peals of laughter, while the Holy Father stood upon a richly ornamented balcony and laughed heartily.”
    As part of the Saturnalia carnival throughout the 18th and 19th centuries CE, rabbis of the ghetto in Rome were forced to wear clownish outfits and march through the city streets to the jeers of the crowd, pelted by a variety of missiles. When the Jewish community of Rome sent a petition in1836 to Pope Gregory XVI begging him to stop the annual Saturnalia abuse of the Jewish community, he responded, “It is not opportune to make any innovation.” On December 25, 1881, Christian leaders whipped the Polish masses into Antisemitic frenzies that led to riots across the country. In Warsaw 12 Jews were brutally murdered, huge numbers maimed, and many Jewish women were raped. Two million rubles worth of property was destroyed.

  18. Mer writes:
    A.E. Most but not all catholics and christians remained silent while 6 million jews were led to slaughter. More of them probably would have helped the Jews if they had known what was going on.

    I was providing a counterpoint to Yamit’s biased and one-sided list of ancient history. However, are you trying to deny that it was mostly Christians who rescued the remaining Jews from the Nazis, defeated the Fascists and Imperialists and later the Communists, subsidized Israel and and guaranteed its survival “no matter what the cost”, liberated Afghanistan and Iraq from Muslim tyrants, and are now confronting the Islamic-terrorists?

    I agree with perfect 20/20 hind-sight that they could have reacted sooner, but no one could have predicted the pure evil that the Nazis turned out to be. Unfortunately, 6 million Jews also remained silent while they were being led to slaughter. Furthermore, since you folks want to play self-serving games with history, why were the Jews or Israelis with all their moral capital silent when other post-Holocaust genocides were taking place around the world, most recently in the old Yogoslavia and several parts of Africa?

    Moses not Christ was given the 10 commandments.

    So what?

    Jesus himself never claimed to be the Son of God or God in the flesh or King of the Jews.

    http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/sbrandt/john5_18.htm

    http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/sbrandt/jn10_30.htm

    Christianity was started by Paul DEFINITELY NOT a sermon on the mount type of guy.

    So, then, if Christianity was started by Paul, which is a quaint concept I had never heard before, why was the religion named after Christ? Paul was simply an evangelist, one of many. You are referring to him before his epiphany and conveniently leaving out his evangelism thereafter.

  19. A.E. Most but not all catholics and christians remained silent while 6 million jews were led to slaughter. More of them probably would have helped the Jews if they had known what was going on. Hitler went after the Jews because he thought they would be his BIGGEST THREAT from obtaining world domination. It was ONLY when the Christians and others felt threatened by the Nazis that they joined forces to defeat them. Moses not Christ was given the 10 commandments. Jesus himself never claimed to be the Son of God or God in the flesh or King of the Jews. Christianity was started by Paul DEFINITELY NOT a sermon on the mount type of guy.

  20. Yamit writes:
    It wasn’t the Christians who murdered over 20 million Jews in the last 15 centuries it was those damn Martians.

    Somehow. the bitter, ungrateful and hate-filled Yamit seems to have missed the fact that it was mostly Christians who defeated the Nazis, Fascists, Imperialists and Communists, and it is the hard earned tax money of mostly Christian USA that has subsidized Israel, guaranteed its survival and kept it from becoming burnt toast over the last several decades.

    Mer writes:
    I wonder if A.E. has ever researched WHY the Jews dont believe in catholic or christian theology.

    I clearly said why in my No. 18 above. However, why don’t you tell us your version instead of asking rhetorical questions? Besides, other than Yamit citing a long list of carefully selected ancient history, none of you Christian-haters have responded to my comment:

    Quote:
    I doubt any of the Christian haters can find much wrong with the three keys to Christ’s and Christian teaching, a) The Ten Commandments, b) The Golden Rule, and c) The Sermon on the Mount.
    Unquote.

  21. Not quite. Everyday people make career choices that puts them on the front lines. They and their families would prefer that they did not die but they know and accept that they are in a high risk situation. That was quite the Bible lesson from A.E. As if that hasnt already been heard a gazzilion times. I wonder if A.E. has ever researched WHY the Jews dont believe in catholic or christian theology.

  22. May I correct you here . They are not willing to die, that is the task of the Jews. Oh, silly, silly woman.

    Only the stupid ones allow themselves to be put in the position of dying for anyone and thus maybe they are deserving.

  23. phat fur says:
    November 26, 2010 at 3:57 am

    Mer: Dearest:

    Beautiful dreamer, wake unto me,
    Starlight and dewdrops are waiting for thee;
    Sounds of the rude world, heard in the day,
    Lull’d by the moonlight have all pass’d away!
    Beautiful dreamer, queen of my song,
    List while I woo thee with soft melody;
    Gone are the cares of life’s busy throng,
    Beautiful dreamer, awake unto me!
    Beautiful dreamer, awake unto me

    You used this before under another alias HWSNBN. Got any more screen names Phat?

  24. Phat and Yamit have openly proclaimed their “hatred” for Christians. I have no idea what any Christian has done to them to earn this. Mer seems to have been traumatised by some Christians, which is unfortunate.

    It wasn’t the Christians who murdered over 20 million Jews in the last 15 centuries it was those damn Martians.

  25. Phat and Yamit have openly proclaimed their “hatred” for Christians. I have no idea what any Christian has done to them to earn this. Mer seems to have been traumatised by some Christians, which is unfortunate.

    Stick with conservative American politics you might be on more solid ground. When it comes to history you are an ignoramus.

    Jewish Persecution | Timeline of Judaism | History of AntiSemitism
    Lesser Known Highlights of Jewish International

    Relations In The Common Era (an Abbreviated sampling)

    DATE PLACE EVENT
    250 C.E. Canhage Expulsion
    224 C.E. Italy Forced Conversion
    325 C.E. Jerusalem Expulsion
    351 C.E Persia Book Burning
    357 C.E. Italy Property Confiscation
    379 C.E. Milan Synagogue Burning
    415 C.E. Alexandria Expulsion
    418 C.E. Minorca Forced Conversion
    469 C.E. Ipahan Holocaust
    489 C.E. Antioch Synagogue Burning
    506 C.E. Daphne Synagogue Burning
    519 C.E. Ravenna Synagogue Burning
    554 C.E. Diocese of Clement (France) Expulsion
    561 C.E. Diocese of Uzes (France) Expulsion
    582 C.E Merovingia Forced Conversion
    612 C.E. Visigoth Spain Expulsion
    628 C.E. Byzantium Forced Conversion
    629 C.E. Merovingia Forced Conversion
    633 C.E. Toledo Forced Conversion
    638 C.E. Toledo Stake Burnings
    642 C.E. Visigothic Empire Expulsion
    653 C.E. Toledo Expulsion
    681 C.E. Spain Forced Conversion
    693 C.E. Toledo Jews Enslaved
    722 C.E. Byzantium Judaism Outlawed
    855 C.E. Italy Expulsion
    876 C.E. Sens Expulsion
    897 C.E. Narbonne Land Confiscation
    945 C.E. Venice Ban on Sea Travel
    1009 C.E. Orleans Massacre
    1012 C.E. Rouen, Limoges & Rome Massacre
    1012 C.E. Mayence Expulsion
    1021 C.E. Rome Jews Burned Alive
    1063 C.E. Spain Massacre
    1095 C.E. Lorraine Massacre
    1096 C.E. Northern France & Germany 1/3 of Jewish Population Massacred
    1096 C.E. Hungary Massacre
    1096 C.E. Ralisbon Massacre
    1099 C.E. Jerusalem Jews Burned Alive
    1100 C.E. Kiev Pogrom
    1140 C.E. Germany Massacres
    1146 C.E. Rhine Valley Massacre
    1147 C.E. Wurzburg Massacre
    1147 C.E. Belitz (Germany) Jews Burned Alive
    1147 C.E. Carenton, Ramenu & Sully (France) Massacres
    1171 C.E. Blois Stake Burnings
    1181 C.E. France Expulsion
    1181 C.E. England Property Confiscation
    1188 C.E. London & York Mob Attacks
    1190 C.E. Norfolk Jews Burned Alive
    1191 C.E. Bray (France) Jews Burned Alive
    1195 C.E. France Property Confiscation
    1209 C.E. Beziers Massacre
    1212 C.E. Spain Rioting and blood bath against the Jews of Toledo.
    1215 C.E. Rome Lateran Council of Rome decrees that Jews must wear the “badge of shame” in all Christian countries. Jews are denied all public sector employment, and are burdened with extra taxes.
    1215 C.E. Toulouse (France) Mass Arrests
    1218 C.E. England Jews Forced to Wear Badges
    1231 C.E. Rome Inquisition Established
    1236 C.E. France Forced Conversion/Massacre
    1239 C.E. London Massacre & Property Confiscation
    1240 C.E. Austria Property confiscation. Jews either imprisoned, converted, expelled, or burned.
    1240 C.E. France Talmud Confiscated
    1240 C.E. England Book Burning
    1240 C.E. Spain Forced Conversion
    1242 C.E. Paris Talmud Burned
    1244 C.E. Oxford Mob Attacks
    1255 C.E. England Blood libel in Lincoln results in the burning / torture of many Jews & public hangings.
    1261 C.E. Canterbury Mob Attacks
    1262 C.E. London Mob Attacks
    1264 C.E. London Mob Attacks
    1264 C.E. Germany Council of Vienna declares that all Jews must wear a “pointed dunce cap.” Thousands murdered.
    1267 C.E. Vienna Jews Forced to Wear Horned Hats
    1270 C.E. Weissenberg, Magdeburg, Arnstadt, Coblenz, Singzig, and Erfurt Jews Burned Alive
    1270 C.E. England The libel of the “counterfeit coins” – all Jewish men, women and children in England imprisoned. Hundreds are hung.
    1276 C.E. Bavaria Expulsion
    1278 C.E. Genoa (Spain) Mob Attacks
    1279 C.E. Hungary & Poland The Council of Offon denies Jews the right to all civic positions. The Jews of Hungary & Poland are forced to wear the “red badge of shame.”
    1283 C.E. Mayence & Bacharach Mob Attacks
    1285 C.E. Munich Jews Burned Alive
    1290 C.E. England King Edward I issues an edict banishing all Jews from England. Many drowned.
    1291 C.E. France The Jewish refugees from England are promptly expelled from France.
    1292 C.E. Italy Forced conversions & expulsion of the Italian Jewish community.
    1298 C.E. Germany The libel of the “Desecrated Host” is perpetrated against the Jews of Germany. Approximately 150 Jewish communities undergo forced conversion.
    1298 C.E. Franconia, Bavaria & Austria Reindfel’s Decree is propagated against the Jews of Franconia and Bavarai. Riots against these Jewish communities, as well as those in Austria, result in the massacre of 100,000 Jews over a six-month period.
    1306 C.E. France Expulsion
    1308 C.E. Strasbourg Jews Burned Alive
    1320 C.E. Toulouse & Perpigon 120 Communities Massacred & Talmud Burned
    1321 C.E. Teruel Public Executions
    1328 C.E. Estella 5,000 Jews Slaughtered
    1348 C.E. France & Spain Jews Burned Alive
    1348 C.E. Switzerland Expulsion
    1349 C.E. Worms, Strasbourg, Oppenheim, Mayence, Erfurt, Bavaria & Swabia Jews Burned Alive
    1349 C.E. Heilbronn (Germany) Expulsion
    1349 C.E. Hungary Expulsion
    1354 C.E. Castile (Spain) 12,000 Jews Slaughtered
    1368 C.E. Toledo 8,000 Jews Slaughtered
    1370 C.E. Majorca., Penignon & Barcelona Mob Attack
    1377 C.E. Huesca (Spain) Jews Burned Alive
    1380 C.E. Paris Mob Attack
    1384 C.E. Nordlingen Mass Murder
    1388 C.E. Strasbourg Expulsion
    1389 C.E. Prague Mass Slaughter & Book Burning
    1391 C.E. Castille, Toledo, Madrid, Seville, Cordova, Cuenca & Barcelona Forced Conversions & Mass Murder
    1394 C.E. Germany Expulsion
    1394 C.E. France Expulsion
    1399 C.E. Posen (Poland) Jews Burned Alive
    1400 C.E. Prague Stake Burnings
    1407 C.E. Cracow Mob Attack
    1415 C.E. Rome Talmud Confiscated
    1422 C.E. Austria Jews Burned Alive
    1422 C.E. Austria Expulsion
    1424 C.E. Fribourg & Zurich Expulsion
    1426 C.E. Cologne Expulsion
    1431 C.E. Southern Germany Jews Burned Alive
    1432 C.E. Savory Expulsion
    1438 C.E. Mainz Expulsion
    1439 C.E. Augsburg Expulsion
    1449 C.E. Toledo Public Torture &. Burnings
    1456 C.E. Bavaria Expulsion
    1453 C.E. Franconia Expulsion
    1453 C.E. Breslau Expulsion
    1454 C.E. Wurzburg Expulsion
    1463 C.E. Cracow Mob Attack
    1473 C.E. Andalusia Mob Attack
    1480 C.E. Venice Jews Burned Alive
    1481 C.E. Seville Stake Burnings
    1484 C.E. Cuidad Real, Guadalupe, Saragossa & Teruel Jews Burned Alive
    1485 C.E. Vincenza (Italy) Expulsion
    1486 C.E. Toledo Jews Burned Alive
    1488 C.E. Toledo Stake Burnings
    1490 C.E. Toledo Public Executions
    1491 C.E. Astorga Public Torture & Execution
    1492 C.E. Spain Expulsion
    1495 C.E. Lithuania Expulsion
    1497 C.E. Portugal Expulsion
    1499 C.E. Germany Expulsion
    1506 C.E. Lisbon Mob Attack
    1510 C.E. Berlin Public Torture & Execution
    1514 C.E. Strasbourg Expulsion
    1519 C.E. Regensburg Expulsion
    1539 C.E. Cracow & Portugal Stake Burnings
    1540 C.E. Naples Expulsion
    1542 C.E. Bohemia Expulsion
    1550 C.E. Genoa Expulsion
    1551 C.E. Bavaria Expulsion
    1555 C.E. Pesaro Expulsion
    1556 C.E. Sokhachev (Poland) Public Torture & Execution
    1559 C.E. Austria Expulsion
    1561 C.E. Prague Expulsion
    1567 C.E. Wurzburg Expulsion
    1569 C.E. Papal States Expulsion
    1571 C.E. Brandenburg Expulsion
    1582 C.E. Netherlands Expulsion
    1593 C.E. Brunswick Expulsion
    1597 C.E. Cremona, Pavia & Lodi Expulsion
    1614 C.E. Frankfort Expulsion
    1615 C.E. Worms Expulsion
    1619 C.E. Kiev Expulsion
    1635 C.E. Vilna Mob Attack
    1637 C.E. Cracow Public Torture & Execution
    1647 C.E. Lisbon Jews Burned Alive
    1648 C.E. Poland 1/3 of Jewry Slaughtered
    1649 C.E. Ukraine Expulsion
    1649 C.E. Hamburg Expulsion
    1652 C.E. Lisbon Stake Burnings
    1654 C.E. Little Russia Expulsion
    1656 C.E. Lithuania Expulsion
    1660 C.E. Seville Jews Burned Alive
    1663 C.E Cracow Public Torture &. Execution
    1664 C.E. Lemberg Mob Attack
    1669 C.E. Oran (North Africa) Expulsion
    1670 C.E. Vienna Expulsion
    1671 C.E. Minsk Mob Attacks
    1681 C.E. Vilna Mob Attacks
    1682 C.E. Cracow Mob Attacks
    1687 C.E. Posen Mob Attacks
    1712 C.E. Sandomir Expulsion
    1727 C.E. Russia Expulsion
    1738 C.E. Wurtemburg Expulsion
    1740 C.E. Liule Russia Expulsion
    1744 C.E Bohemia Expulsion
    1744 C.E. Livonia Expulsion
    1745 C.E. Moravia Expulsion
    1753 C.E. Kovad (Lithuania) Expulsion
    1757 C.E. Kamenetz Talmud Burning
    1761 C.E. Bordeaux Expulsion
    1768 C.E. Kiev 3,000 Jews Slaughtered
    1772 C.E. Russia Expulsion
    1775 C.E. Warsaw Expulsion
    1789 C.E. Alsace Expulsion
    1801 C.E. Bucharest Mob Attack
    1804 C.E. Russian Villages Expulsion
    1808 C.E. Russian Countryside Expulsion
    1815 C.E. Lubeck & Bremen Expulsion
    1820 C.E. Bremes Expulsion
    1843 C.E. Austria & Prussia Expulsion
    1850 C.E. New York City 500 People, Led by Police, Attacked & Wrecked Jewish Synagogue
    1862 C.E. Area under General Grant’s Jurisdiction in the United States Expulsion
    1866 C.E Galatz (Romania) Expulsion
    1871 C.E. Odena Mob Attack
    1887 C.E. Slovakia Mob Attacks
    1897 C.E. Kantakuzenka (Russia) Mob Attacks
    1898 C.E. Rennes (France) Mob Attack
    1899 C.E. Nicholayev Mob Attack
    1900 C.E. Konitz (Prussia) Mob Attack
    1902 C.E. Poland Widespread Pogroms
    1904 C.E. Manchuria, Kiev & Volhynia Widespread Pogroms
    1905 C.E. Zhitomir (Yolhynia) Mob Attacks
    1919 C.E Bavaria Expulsion
    1915 C.E. Georgia (U.S.A.) Leo Frank Lynched
    1919 C.E. Prague Wide Spread Pogroms
    1920 C.E. Munich & Breslau Mob Attacks
    1922 C.E. Boston, MA Lawrence Lowell, President of Harvard, calls for Quota Restrictions on Jewish Admission
    1926 C.E. Uzbekistan Pogrom
    1928 C.E. Hungary Widespread Anti-Semitic Riots on University Campuses
    1929 C.E. Lemberg (Poland) Mob Attacks
    1930 C.E. Berlin Mob Attack
    1933 C.E. Bucharest Mob Attacks
    1938-45 C.E. Europe Holocaust
    Jewish persecution source:

    P.E. Grosser & E.G. Halperin, Anti-Semitism: Causes and Effects, New York:

  26. phat fur writes:
    Ted,I own this bridge in Brooklyn which I can part with at a very reasonble price, a real steal.

    bedrock writes:
    The admiration for Rev Hagee is naive beyond belief.

    Mer writes:
    bedrock, I hear ya but just Play the Game.

    phat, bedrock, Mer,

    Aren’t you among those who bought Stephen Harper’s schtick about confronting anti-Semitism “no matter what the cost”, and then got upset with me when I questioned why his actions did not match his words? I’m sure phatty got a tremendous deal on the bridge she now wants to unload:-))

    I suggest you take Hagee at his word and compare his actions in future with his words. You have no way to read his mind or his heart.

    phat fur writes:
    Beware of the friends of Israel who are offering very covertly the redemption of Christ under the guise of
    pro-Zionism.

    Mer writes:
    phat fur. Are you referring to the Jews for Jesus? I met some of those at the synogogue. WACKO!

    Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God promised by the Jewish prophets. Jews do not. Case closed. What’s all this poppycock and generalizations about ALL Christians?

    There are Jewish bigots just as there are Christian bigots – every religion has its bigots.

    Phat and Yamit have openly proclaimed their “hatred” for Christians. I have no idea what any Christian has done to them to earn this. Mer seems to have been traumatised by some Christians, which is unfortunate.

    Christians have more than their share of charlatans, and most of the problems stem from practices and beliefs that have evolved from mere mortals who pretend to speak for God. I believe that to be a good Christian comes from being as much like Jesus in attitude and outlook as one can be. He spent much of his time among people who were shunned and looked down upon by his fellow-Jews at the time.

    I doubt any of the Christian haters can find much wrong with the three keys to Christ’s and Christian teaching, a) The Ten Commandments, b) The Golden Rule, and c) The Sermon on the Mount.

    If a Christian doesn’t live these teachings then the notion that they will be “saved” by simply “accepting Christ as their Lord and Saviour” makes no sense and is pure self-delusion.

    The original Christian church, formed directly by the Jewish followers of Christ, is the Catholic Church, which does not teach that salvation “only” comes through Christ and acceptance of HIM as a person’s “Lord and Saviour” and that eternal salvation can be achieved by a person’s good works regardless of whether they are Christian or not. The other Christian denominations were formed by splits from the original church each for their own reasons. The narrow view that salvation can only come through accepting Christ as a person’s Lord and Saviour was concocted by fundamentalist American Christians, who seem to have no idea how the New Testament was written and later translated. They pretend as if it was dictated by God directly into modern English.

  27. But you do disagree. You — not anyone else – posted this article by Hagee, without any concerns.

    You claimed sweepingly that “the evangelicals are our friends”, whereas this friendship, especially at the leadership level, is conniving, to put it mildly.

    And once all this evidence weighs in, where is your “accountability” of this pseudo (even faux) friendship? Hagee’s two faced personalities have been pointed out to you before, yet you simply slobber over him every time he whispers sweet something into our ears, without a drop of analysis on your part on what his stated motivations are. Funny how those statements have to be searched for in cached web pages.

    And you’re desperate. You asked “If not them, who will stand by us?”

    You don’t know? You don’t know why we’re here? You don’t know Who took us out of Mitzrayim? You don’t know Who created this world we live in? Make Kiddush tonight and ponder the words which will refresh your memory.

    “The ox knoweth his owner, and the ass his master’s crib; but Israel doth not know, My people doth not consider.” – Isaiah 1:3

    Yes, let us keep hitting our heads over and over against the wall. It’s really been helping, hasn’t it?

  28. The article you refer me to says

    The work is not aimed at discrediting Christians and their support for Israel, nor is it intended to sabotage positive aspects of Israel’s political and religious alliances. Rather, it is a call to order for Israel and the Diaspora Jewish community. And it will elucidate the need for us to responsibly monitor our relationships, as well as consider the obligations and ethical imperative incumbent upon the nation of Israel to transform any Jewish-Christian undertaking into an honest, accountable and fruitful endeavor.

    I couldn’t agree more.

  29. Ted Belman says:
    November 25, 2010 at 10:52 pm

    Phat, so u hate christians. I get it. but the evangelicals are our friends

    Ted, wake up – again!

    See this page of endorsements on the Maoz Israel missionary website? Notice Hagee’s name there? Notice Stearn’s name there? Do you know what the endorement on that page used to say up until just prior to Hagee’s 2008 visit to Israel? Here’s the verbatim quote:

    “Your gift to support the ongoing work of Maoz Israel Ministries enables us to continue on our mission – to bring the Good News of the Gospel of Messiah to the people of Israel until ALL ISRAEL IS SAVED!”

    Do you know what “I Stand With Israel” is? Rinse and repeat:

    The CUFI files (part 1)

    The CUFI files (part 2)

    These reports’ links have been posted here before yet you seem to be more interested in burying your head in the sand and pretending that everything will be OK.

    CUFI is a flimsy proxy cover for the Evangelicals’ massive support of missionaries and messianics in Israel. Hey! Hamas has a political “wing”, too!

    Stupid Jews! Phat is right.

  30. Nothing of the sort.

    Beware of the friends of Israel who are offering very covertly the redemption of Christ under the guise of

    pro-Zionism.

  31. Mer: Dearest:

    Beautiful dreamer, wake unto me,
    Starlight and dewdrops are waiting for thee;
    Sounds of the rude world, heard in the day,
    Lull’d by the moonlight have all pass’d away!
    Beautiful dreamer, queen of my song,
    List while I woo thee with soft melody;
    Gone are the cares of life’s busy throng,
    Beautiful dreamer, awake unto me!
    Beautiful dreamer, awake unto me!

  32. No phat. Some of them WANT to be CHOSEN. WANT to be LIKE the Jews and they ARE WILLING to be persecuted and even killed. THEY are the silly ones.

  33. Mer:

    was at a Passover dinner with some of them and those ones I can say stopped short of condemnation. Some of them are open to accept the truth. Let the God of Israel guide them for they are willing to die if necessary. And thats the whole point. If the jihadists can have such strong faith that they are willing to die then how much stronger should our faith be?

    May I correct you here . They are not willing to die, that is the task of the Jews. Oh, silly, silly woman.

  34. bedrock. I hear ya but just Play the Game. I know evangelicals well. Some REALLX DO admire and LOVE the Jew. They see a piece of their Jesus in the Jew and want to be in close commune. True that many of them will never recognize Judaism as an authentic religion for today as they believe that Jesus replaced it with Christianity. And true that many of them are very excited because they think they have the power to save the Jew. I was at a Passover dinner with some of them and those ones I can say stopped short of condemnation. Some of them are open to accept the truth. Let the God of Israel guide them for they are willing to die if necessary. And thats the whole point. If the jihadists can have such strong faith that they are willing to die then how much stronger should our faith be?

  35. The admiration for Rev Hagee is naive beyond belief. If someone has the ulterior purpose of having you either convert to his religion or die in a terrible war, how could he be your friend?

    We are not so hard-up for friends or with friends like that- who needs enemies?

  36. Phat, so u hate christians. I get it. but the evangelicals are our friends. If not them, who will stand by us. Certainly not leftist Jews. There are some negatives in their friendship but they compare not at all with the good they do us.

  37. Rev Hagee is rubbing his hands awaiting the great apocolypse when all non christians will be given the opportunity to accept Jesus or burn in hell,

    And we applaud this dude.

    A NEW SUCKER IS BORN EVERY MINUTE.

    Ted,I own this bridge in Brooklyn which I can part with at a very reasonble price, a real steal.

  38. Wow! THANK YOU, Pastor Hagee. And hey, America– if you have friends or family who “don’t get it” about Israel’s legitimacy, there’s a new mystery thriller out called THE POISONER’S AGENDA. It weaves solid info about borders, refugees, settlements, Jerusalem and more into the plot line. (You’d think Ted Belman himself had edited the novel!) Check out http://www.thepoisonersagenda.com

  39. Glad to see more Christians waking up and speaking rather than condeming Jews. I watched a Christian program that up until recently seemed to imply that because the Jews were Gods Chosen People they would be exempt from further persecution unless they became Christians. This program recognized that this not true. Jews are still the No. 1 target.

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