I have a lot of trouble with this report. It goes without saying that he would divide Jerusalem but Haaretz didn’t comment on this. On what basis do the Ministers say that we can’t keep more than 10%. That 10% would include all lands west of the fence, except mush of east Jerusalem and would include Ariel and Maaleh Adumin. My guess E1 is up for grabs. Over 100,000 Israelis would have to be evacuated. I believe the public would support such a deal, but would the government? Bibi really does want this deal and is prepared to continue freeze on construction to get it. But on what basis is he hopeful that Abbas would agree to give up 10%. No basis that I can see. And if 10% is the most we get to keep who is to say that we will be offered 10%. Ted Belman
A report in Ha’aretz Thursday quoted top Likud ministers as saying that Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is prepared to give up as much as 90% of Judea and Samaria in a deal with the Palestinian Authority. If Netanyahu is satisfied that Israel’s security needs are accounted for, the report quoted the ministers as saying, nearly all of Judea and Samaria outside of the large “settlement blocs” could be handed over to the PA. “Isolated” communities would be demolished, with residents forced to resettle elsewhere.
The ministers also said that the possibility of a major Israeli withdrawal from Judea and Samaria was not at all remote. Netanyahu, they said, knows that the next round of talks under the sponsorship of U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry would be dealing with substantial issues, such as the borders of a PA state. The maximum Israel would be able to get in such a deal, the ministers said, is 10% of Judea and Samaria. Netanyahu understands this, but nevertheless is willing to enter into negotiations with the PA.
In recent days, MKs from the Bayit Yehudi party have been quoted as saying that the party would leave the government if it became clear that a major withdrawal from Judea and Samaria was on the horizon. Science and Technology Minister Yaakov Peri said Thursday that the majority of Israelis were in favor of a deal with the PA, even though the majority of the government wasn’t. The solution: Change the government.
“If G-d forbid there will be a coalition crisis (with Bayit Yehudi) there are options,” Peri told Army Radio, without naming any specific parties that could take Bayit Yehudi’s place.
Bear Klein Said:
I hope you are right
Abbas will not make a deal. A deal requires him to renounce right of return and say the conflict is over. He will never do this because within one month he will be dead man. The PALS will call him a traitor and he will be assassinated. He will not give up any part of Jerusalem. He will never recognize a Jewish State of Israel.
Bibi will NOT give up Jerusalem. There is no deal that is possible to create a two state solution. The whole exercise is to see who will get blamed by the USA for failure of the Kerry attempt at negotiations.
@ ArnoldHarris:
I expected you to take this position. However most conservatives are not being consistent on this.
Same here.
Given the tea party’s recent sanction of treason (snowden), I can no longer support the movement.
Ted Belman Said:
if the GCC backed a deal and the PA did not take it then the US and EU would also stop financing them. However, I dont see that as coming into the picture. what is the influence that qatar/GCC had on Hamas and Egypt that made them tow the line, take a cease fire and made Israel target iranian backed factions of hamas? I dont see the PA leadership refusing to accept a deal backed by the GCC. I think they would have already taken a deal if they thought they could live through it and had the support of the arab world. The GCC has been successful through their islamic clerical faction and their jihadi mercenaries in working turmoil through the mideast and north africa, they can eaasily do the same in the PA. They can come up with any argument or fatwa to support what they want. I beleive that the PA leaders have no problem in accepting a deal if they have the full support of the arab league. PA leaders also want to enjoy their retirement. In my view they will do what the GCC tells them to do. The PA leaders are interested in assuring their fortunes.
bernard ross Said:
Wrong.. The PA gets all their money from the EU and the US. The Arab countries pledge money but never give it.
Laura, I have not gone ballistic over the NSA program, which I think is a good idea, even if I did not mention that in my comment. Being in the direct mail list services business, my little online firm has 280 million records of the socioeconomic, sociodemographic, and domicile-related data covering just about every household in the USA. I am much more interested in profiting from selling portions of this vast list compilation for commercial marketing services than I am about personal privacy, which, under modern conditions is something all of us attain only when dead and buried.
As for the general tone of my comments as applied to life here in the USA, I am a true son of the background in which I was born and raised. I am a Jewish nationalist, an American citizen, a white European male, a US Army veteran with two years of active duty stateside service during the Korean War. I am a happily married father of four grown children, and to date, one grand-daughter. If I comment from the standpoint of personal prejudice, I tender no apologies whatsoever, no matter whose feelings I may bruise.
And in line with my reaction to recent developments, I shall vote for and support candidates for public office who represent values of the Tea Party movement.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
I don’t know how this is relevant to this topic.
But since you brought it up, this situation reveals the inconsistency of the right in America. Conservatives have gone ballistic over the much overblown NSA non-scandal. The prism program is a necessary counter terrorism program and began under Bush (which conservatives supported back then) and was declared constitutional. Yet the right supports federal overreach when it comes to DOMA. I am not arguing for gay marriage, I am just pointing out the inconsistency on the right when it comes to the powers of the federal government.
Give up nothing. Israel is tiny enough even with Judea and Samaria. There are plenty of arab lands the “palestinians” could go to.
If you are correct that the public and BB want the deal then it will happen. The GOI will change or self interested parties will shift their position to keep their benefits. It was probably BB’s plan all along to change partners in mid stream. He appears to be a master of coalition politics and now of popular support politics.
If I am correct then the basis will be the pressure and benefits that the GCC will offer: carrots and sticks. Saudi, Qatar Jordan can control the PA, without their money and support the PA are done, plus they must have Jordan on their side. Where do the pal leaders reside outside of pa/gaza?. The Gaza war and cease-fire,the MB/Hamas/egypt leashing by Qatar, the jordan pal confed talk, the weakening of hezbullah,syria and ultimately iran may be what has been offered israel by the GCC. Israel has in its budget for 2014 a mission in a GCC nation. Qatar is rumored to be coming to Israel in November. Ultimately I expect an interim agreement with a jordan pal confed which will allow a security solution down the line within the existing jordan israel treaty. at this moment egypt is demonstrating to Israel, notwithstanding rhetoric, that they can control hamas/gaza as jordan can control PA access. If this evolves then the question will be land sovereignty and immigration to the PA.
If the report turns out to be truthful, which would mean that the elected prime minister of the Jewish state would turn traitor and sign away to an enemy Arab gang the Jordan River heartland of Aretz-Yisrael, then the people who put him in power deserve to have no Jewish state whatsoever. That means all of you who live in Israel and vote in its national elections.
What was founded as, and actually used to be the United States of America, is now crumbling into disunion combined by the manifest moral decay that alone has enabled he supreme judiciary of this country to declare that a household union between two homosexuals of identical gender is legally equal with no restrictions to a marriage between a man and a woman — a condition which has no substitute in giving birth to and raising children of either gender.
My own extensive studies of history, through almost 80 years of life, warns me that the American empire and its North American commonwealth shall decay further and be broken up. For this tawdry and disreputable end were ghe hundreds of original and autochthonous tribes defeated, degraded and their lands taken by force and fraud?
And do any of you think that if a supposedly Jewish government, through timidity and disloyalty to its own Jewish nation were to set in motion the destruction of the world’s only Jewish state, then whom do any of you imagine will be assigned blame by the annals of history yet to be written?
Remember the warning that was posted on the gates at the entrance of one of the German Nazi concentration camps:
“Jedem das Seine”; which translates accurately to: Everybody gets what’s coming to him.
And that sure as hell means you. You wanted a Jewish democracy, and this is the hole in the ground that democracy put you into. along with the age-old dream of rebuilding a Jewish state for our permanent future.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI
Any oxymoron from a moron!
It is not going to happen, not because the Jews are wise but because the Arabs just can’t get over their hatred for us. They will yet again save us from ourselves.
I do not believe the report!
I don’t see it happening! The last thing on earth Abu Bluff wants is to go down in history as the man who recognized the Jewish State. Arafat wasn’t willing to do that even though he received offers nearly as generous. And he didn’t have to face Hamas, which will veto ANY peace deal with Israel.
Bibistine upon you, Israel!