Dr. Aaron Lerner, IMRA 5 October. 2017
Ariel Kahaneh reports in the 4 October edition of Makor Rishon that according to a diplomatic source, the Jews in the Trump team – Ambassador David Friedman and Jason Greenblatt – are pushing Israel hard as they are accused by their White House colleagues as being pro-Israel.
Prime Minister Netanyahu has been presenting construction plans to Friedman and Greenblatt that he has already reduced to please Washington and Friedman and Greenblatt have insisted on further cuts.
It is noteworthy that while Israel has slashed construction plans – with most activity limited to moving plans one step out of a long series of steps rather than approval of actual construction – Mahmoud Abbas has openly and vocally rejected President Trump’s demand that he stop financially rewarding Palestinians for murdering Israelis.
Since President Trump called for Abbas to stop providing a financial incentive for terror, many Israelis have been murdered by Palestinians whose families have already started receiving a monthly pay-off from Abbas.
And this money is often THE motive.
This September, Palestinian wife beater Nimer Jamal didn’t even go to the trouble of claiming to be motivated by a desire to “resist the occupation” when he went out to kill Israelis and be killed so that his estranged wife would have the money to raise their children.
Despite this sharp contrast: PM Netanyahu slashing construction plans to please Trump while Abbas continues rewarding murderers, President Trump reportedly told UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres that “Netanyahu is the bigger problem” as compared to Abbas.
@ Sebastien Zorn:
Well Sebastien all I can say is that you gave me a good run, but …..Gott Zu Danken.
I suppose that you either understand it, or you don’t..If you do then that’s OK; finish. But if you DON’T…then Oy Veh…!!
@ Edgar G.:
I give up.
@ Sebastien Zorn:
I wish you wouldn’t put “words into my mouth’ and however much I like your mellifluous and dulcet tones, you always seem to guess wrongly. \it can only be a guess, and a bad one. I have no idea as to why you still don’t understand what I post..maybe it’s just constitutional.
Alright, I’ll make one more attempt. Friedmann has a very long history of love for Israel, and is placed in just the right positions by a President who supports his views.
But, the news said that Israel was to hold back on settlements etc. So it’s either true of false. If true, there has to be a particular reason, not connected with their obviously genuine aspirations . So it has to be a political reason, so not permanent, because today’s policy is already out-of-date by tomorrow and the “deal” is with Arabs…. Perhaps to show the P.A. that the talks are here and now. (Not that they’ll come to anything…they are joining with inveterate and unrepentant terrorists of the worst stripe…for as long as it lasts….. which won’t be long). Trump will then learn that there are SOME deals that just can’t be made.
Everyone forgets that today’s world-wide terrorist turmoil began with these very same vile creatures.
If it’s false, there’s no more to be said, I said it ALL when I pointed up “FAKE NEWS”.
Phew……. very hard to wrap a brain around, especially mine, since I forgot to send it out to be shaped for easy wrap-around….
THIS LINE OF UN-REASONING IS KLOZD.
sorry. voting for Trump.
It would seem to be a return to the terms of the Bush letter which Hillary/Obama repudiated. Still, an improvement on any Dem, all of whom would pressure Israel to evict Jews from their homes. I will have no problem voting for Bush in the general election if he is the candidate.If Huckabee or even Santorum, Carson, or Cruz run against him in the primary, however, he will not have my vote in the primary any more than last time.
You should have seen Carson speak at AIPAC. He had the whole history and he nailed it.
Well, this article is clearer. Netanyahu blamed Friedman and the others for not approving more new — but long ago promised — construction — not just of new towns but of infrastructure, which is ironic because citizen Trump donated a lot of money for infrastructure for the setttlements to house Jews expelled from Sinai by the government in its perfidious deal with Nasser, excuse me, Sadat — when talking to Yesha leaders. If this is true, then it still doesn’t prove that they are the ones pressuring Trump rather than simply implementing his or the State Department’s policy. Recall, the State Dept. rep contradicted Friedman when he said Jewish settlements were part of Israel. It is really confusing. Who is calling the shots here? Trump, the State Dept.? I suppose Friedman could just resign if he doesn’t want to implement it but to suggest that he is behind it? Come on.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.814594
@ Sebastien Zorn:
There is a concerted campaign by the Progressive, i.e., Soros, camp, to isolate Trump through fake news about his base abandoning him. I googled – New York Times Trump supporters disappointed – and a lot of stuff came up, not just from the New York Times, mostly claiming that his base is disgusted with him, interspersed with the occasional article disgusted with the fact that Trump’s base remains loyal. Try it. See for yourself.
Such articles must be vetted very carefully to make sure that they are not trying to bring about the scenario they are describing by presenting it as fact.
So, now we see Ambassador Friedman has now asserted that Jewish settlements in Judea and Samaria are part of Israel and called for moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem.
I’m seriously supposed to believe some vague allegation by an unknown diplomatic source cited by an unknown author, that he is undermining Israel behind the scenes? Come on.
@ Edgar G.:
Still unclear. You believe the article then? This article by an unknown author (all we know is the publication, Makor Rishon) making a generic assertion without specifics, on the basis of an anonymous diplomatic source, that contradicts the evidence of our senses?
@ Sebastien Zorn:
When I write “hard to believe” it’s like saying.. “My heavens”, or “I don’t believe it”..even though the evidence might be right at your feet. It’s also a habitual saying of Jackie Mason, my favourite comedian.
As for Friedmann’s “irrational behaviour”, these are your words not mine. Perhaps you overlooked my “vehement protests and etc”….. which signified that it was obvious that they were carrying out orders…that is if the whole thing is not “Fake News”. I leave it very open- ended, and take everything into consideration that I can “wrap my brain” around.
If they were carrying out orders-which I mention above- it’s “hard to believe” that they didn’t put in a little protest, because…..preventing Jewish building in Judea and Samaria, which is Israel, is like doing the work of the goyim, who like nothing better than to see Israel wither on the vine.
Sorry Sebastien for the lengthy regurgitation, but you should have understood what I said and meant originally, without dissecting according to YOUR understanding, which just caused the above “merry-go-’round” Anyway I like exercising my brain when it’s unwrapped.
Ugh…… reminds me of the days as a kid when I used to collect the meat from the kosher butchers, wrapped in discarded newsprint or something like that….messy. I’ve been a vegetarian for the past 60 years, except for a brief experiment with frozen Argentine beef in Israel. They managed to produce filet mignon shoe leather, that even a pressure cooker couldn’t to turn into food..
Used it as a doorstop for years, surrounded by broken dog teeth…. (just joking)..
@ Sebastien Zorn:
I pointed all this out in my clear mention of “Fake News:.
Und Anodder ting…befower I shul be schtruk dump like der Gut Soljer Schweik… I vill aggspiriate frumm egg-sas-par-a-shun.
Edgar G. Said:
Did you mean, “what they would be doing…”?
“hard to believe” could mean two opposite things here. Either, that you can’t wrap your brain around what they are doing, i.e., you are struck dump with disbelief at their irrational behavior, it’s so unlike them, unworthy of them. Or, you don’t believe the article.
I don’t believe the article. Especially about Friedman. Not with the evidence provided so far.
@ watsa46:
We don’t have sufficient evidence of that yet, although the nature of the man would indicate that he speaks for himself, but due to the constraints of politics, it needs be usually, through some department announcer, or head. The reports of Tillerson feuding with Trump, and the State Dept. taking over the White House with Trump completely isolated, and most of his supporters replaced etc, have been rife for weeks, but showing on-off results..
It’s only in the past few days that he seems to have re-emerged as his own master, and, particularly in the international arena, proclaiming his own firm convictions, that got him elected in the first place..
Let it continue this way.. I have been hoping that his removed supporters will be re- hired and thlat matters will progress as they should have. But I’m afraid that “politics” may have got him by the throat, only relaxing it’s grip for his occasional maverick foray.
We must wait and see. The debacle of the “Embassy being moved to Jerusalem in the first 100 hours” etc. makes me very wary. Now he’s pushed Hamas and the P.A. together, and seems obsessed with THAT “deal”. The aura of a “wheeler-dealer” clings to him, when he should have already shed it for the statesman’s robes..as he does sporadically with some magnificent speeches…. but…where are the follow -ups…
Perhaps we are all victims of that news gremlin, “The Fake News Report”. At the same time there’s that old acorn usually used for religion……that ” Faith is the art of believing something that you positively know is false’…
The SD only speaks for itself and does not represent Trump.
@ Sebastien Zorn:
It’s because Friedmann said that Judea and Samaria are part of Israel, and then acted as has been described, to contradict his assertion, that caused me to write this post above.
I’m not sure I believe this story, though. The State Dept. just contradicted Ambassador Friedman when he said Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria were part of Israel.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/ct-us-ambassador-israel-settlements-20170929-story,amp.html&ved=0ahUKEwiX-aXtpdvWAhVi7oMKHVrPBUwQFghAMAc&usg=AOvVaw0E-2BAOMPHx9d6QoO9Xsze&cf=1
It’s always like that. Sympathetic Goyim in public office
are always better for the Jews with rare exceptions such as Treasury Secretary Morgenthau who threatened to expose FDR and derail his election in 1944 which was an important factor in the belated launching of the War Refugee Board which sponsored Wallenberg among other things. Normally, Jewish politicians are so anxious to be free of any suspicion of dual.loyalty, that they will even volunteer that.they.will always.side.with the U.S against Israel in the.event of a conflict. I’ve said.this before in the form of humor. Both Koch and Schumer did that. Schumer did oppose the Iran deal at first but in such an ineffectual way that suspicions were being voiced that he was merely securing his Jewish bonafides dor appearance’s sake. He also opposed Ellison at first. But he always caves. Kissinger urged Nixon to let Israel dangle during the Yom Kippur War.
david melech Said:
Edgar G. Said:
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Edgar G. Said:
An 18-year-old suicide bomber blew himself up and appeared before Allah.
He said, “Oh, Allah, I did your bidding, but I have a request. Since I’m only 18 and spent all my time in terrorist training school, I never was with a woman. So, instead of 72 virgins, who also won’t know what to do sexually, can I have 72 prostitutes?”
Allah regarded him for a moment, then replied,
“Actually, 72 virgins are here in heaven because bastards like you murdered them before they could experience the pleasure of sex. So you’re here to service them. Since they’re virgins, they’re quite sexually ravenous; and, frankly, you’ll be on constant, exhausting duty.”
The bomber responded, “Well, I guess I can live with that. How hard can it be to keep 72 women satisfied for all eternity?”
And Allah replied, “Who said they were women?”
Of course they are committing these murders for a three fold purpose. 1) THEY HAVE A PSYCHOTIC (well brainwashed) HATRED OF JEWS..
2) they want to get those 72 virgins even though they’ll never be able to handle more than 2-3. Maybe they’re thinking of the grapes and wine as well…. and murmuring streams…..Like the long ago Club Paradiso in New York…..
3) They will make their families secure for (as they think) life. What the Americans call a “no-brainer”….. and without work.
I’m far more concerned about the report on Friedmann and Greenblatt, which is quite contrary to that amid which they were heralded into office, and received officially in Israel as if they were a fabulous “Moshiach Twins” Act, in a Hope and Crosby upbeat sense of rapturous expectation.
For me, it’s hard to believe that these 2 Jews, in positions to do wonders for Israel, which they profess to love dearly, who are not really politicians, would obey those orders without making vehement protests that it was contrary to Trump’s indications and inclinations, or threatening resignation ….because basically what they’re doing is anti-semitic work for the goyim.
This is just plain dumb.