T. Belman. Very interesting. While our vaunted military leaders call for ethics and morality and purity of arms, these esteemed Rabbis know better and call for the death of all terrorists. They also rule against giving away Judea and Samaria. They also called for ending all discussions about a two-state solution. What strikes me as strange is that both Shas and UTJ don’t hold these views.
Several dozen rabbis, many of them Haredi and Hasidic, on Sunday attended an emergency conference at the study hall of the Bostoner Rebbe, Rabbi Meir Alter Horowitz, in the neighborhood of Har Nof in Jerusalem, Kippa reported. Dubbed “emergency conference for the security of Israel in the Holy Land,” the assembly ended with a uniform call against a national unity government with the Zionist Camp (Labor) or with any other politicians who declare openly that they want to hand over areas of historic Israel.
Besides the host, the Bostoner Rebbe, the conference included Haredi “celebrities” such as the Chief Rabbi of Bnei Brak, Rabbi Moshe Landau, the Chief Rabbi of Tsfat, Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu, and the head of the Temple Institute, Rabbi Yisrael Ariel.
The statement the assembled rabbis issued after their conference said in no uncertain terms that there must be no negotiations over territory across the “green line,” nor any mention of the “two state solution.” The announcement suggested that “the only way to uproot the wave of terror by Arab murderers in the Holy Land would by through a firm stand of the Israeli government that there will never be a negotiation over parts of the Holy Land, by expressing regret for past withdrawals and regret for the ‘miserable declaration’ of two states for two peoples.”
The assembled Haredi rabbis also said that “the areas of Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem are all part of the Land of Israel and we must continue to build there in accordance with the needs of the population without interruption. The rabbis have ruled according to Halakha that maintaining the security forces’ deterrence is more important than any holy object.”
The Haredi rabbis also mentioned what they called “stupid” statements by senior officials in government and the military which, they said, dishonor the nation of Israel and the IDF soldiers—referring to Deputy Chief of Staff General Yair Golan who compared the behavior of some IDF soldiers to that of German Nazis in the 1930s.
The rabbis added that every Arab terrorist must be executed. “Every Arab terrorist who leaves his house with the intent to hurt Jews has lost his right to live and must be shot without needless calculations,” they stated. They noted that whomever refuses to follow their directions should not be placed in charge of the security of Israel, citing Deut. 20:8 — “What man is there that is fearful and fainthearted? let him go and return unto his house, lest his brethren’s heart faint as well as his heart.”
@ CuriousAmerican:
Do you think it’s realistic to pay and wisk out so many Arabs, safely, without them being executed by their nationalist brethren?
@ bernard ross:
Here it is:
http://www.mythsandfacts.org/Conflict/mandate_for_palestine/MandateN2%20-%2010-29-07-English.pdf
CuriousAmerican Said:
I prefer the approach used in syria where folks pay to leave with their lives. Experts say its best when folks pay for what they get rather than charity… it improves their self esteem and they value what they get much more.
CuriousAmerican Said:
like I told you last year, soon they will be so concerned with their own muslim problems and survival… their concerns for the jew killing scum will dissipate… soon their govs will fall to their oppositions and they will need Israeli expertise to deal with their “immigrants”.
CuriousAmerican Said:
gosh, I am sorry they are still alive becuase anyone who teaches their children that jews are sons of apes and pigs and trains their toddlers to slaughter Jews do not deserve to live. Lets hope they will destroy themselves as the other neighbors are doing.
CuriousAmerican Said:
syria and iraq are a good example of how to move hostiles out of the area…. seems to have worked much better than your Jews paying them to leave. In iraq and syria they have to pay to leave… just smarter business.
CuriousAmerican Said:
the euro millenial jew stalkers are funding and inciting the arabs to kill the jews and steal the homeland, hoping to get jerusalem out of the deal. The most efficaceous solution for moving hostile enemies appears to be operating in syria and Iraq…. and the most sensible destination appears to be europe… where they want to go. A great deal for the Jews…. the 2 enemies slaughtering each other while still engaged in their obssessive jew killing agenda as they drown in each others arms. i thought you were a person of faith and yet you appear ungrateful for the ironic humor of the universe displayed today for all to apprehend. The Jew killers in europe and the jew killers in the Me slaughtering each other… lets hope that continues to be sustainable.
CuriousAmerican Said:
actually the flood of migrants in syria, iraq, lebanon, libya and europe appear to be expanding the acceptability of more options. Driving muslim terrorists out of the ME and africa to europe appears to be trending…. I see some great new opportunities arising as I predicted to you last year… populations appear to be in flux…. a couple of million more muslims to europe wont be noticed.
I dont think its the “vaunted military leaders”, just the cabal and stooges of Yaalon, pretending to be military leaders of Jews while using the shoah to further their agenda to cover up their jew incarceration without evidence MO, pretending to lock up folks for a crime and then saying they did it for their morals.
perhaps their prime mission is their perks and privileges… perhaps a condition of joining was that BB would give them what they want most in return for not interfering with his anti zionist and anti natiionalist agenda?
At last we hear from this sector … if only they would weekly raise the 900.000 who attended the rabbi’s funeral for the MOunt, for Jerusalem and for Judea Samaria….. then the Jews would have something to celebrate. I am well pleased that they have exposed the idiocy of yaalon and BB but there is still no call to indict yaalon for interference and obstruction of Justice
The actual terrorists are merely foot-soldiers. I go further than that:
ONE:
Martial Law, in use against combatants, is not against International Law.
The key word is combatants. Martial Law against civilians is another matter. That is unstable.
TWO:
A respectable view. But they should have given alternatives.
Probably because Shas and UTJ recognize that to end the two-state solution means one state which means millions more Arabs.
Let’s be honest, the two-state solution was a charade to buy time. The Likud party charter rejects a two-state solution.
When Netanyahu says two-state he means something for the Arabs so emasculated that it could not possibly be a state, nor would any self-respecting Arab leader accept it. (No control of borders, coastline, airspace, etc.) That is not a state but a reservation – even if he refers to it as a state.
Netanyahu was/is biding time. Time until more Jews went home, enabling him to more rigorously pursue his Jewish state solution.
However, in the past 20 years, most diaspora Jews have not obliged Netanyahu by making aliyah- MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE.
So the world is now interpreting Netanyahu’s actions as stalling. Frankly, the Arabs are equally, if not more disingenuous.
The rabbis are not wrong. What is wrong is that no one wants to deal with the Arab issue honestly.
1.8 Million hostile Arabs in Gaza (Israel controls airspace, coastline, and most of the border exits).
2.0 (plus or minus) Million hostile Arabs in J&S.
Israel cannot safely relinquish control, and does not want to enfranchise them. A two state solution means relinquishing control.
If it isn’t going to be a two state solution, nor do you want a one-state solution, then your options are limited.
MK Feiglin suggested buying the Arabs out. Wow! I wonder if he read my posts?