Citizens of Israel, I would like to reassure you. The resolution that was adopted yesterday at the United Nations is distorted and shameful but we will overcome it. The resolution determines that the Jewish Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem is ‘occupied territory’. This is delusional.
The resolution determines that the Western Wall is ‘occupied territory’. This too is delusional. There is nothing more absurd than calling the Western Wall and the Jewish Quarter occupied territory. There is also an attempt here, which will not succeed, to impose permanent settlement terms on Israel. You might recall that the last one who tried to do this was Carter, an extremely hostile president to Israel, and who just recently said that Hamas is not a terrorist organization. Carter passed sweeping decisions against us at the UN of a similar kind, and this was also unsuccessful. We opposed this and nothing happened.
All American presidents since Carter upheld the American commitment not to try to dictate permanent settlement terms to Israel at the Security Council. And yesterday, in complete contradiction of this commitment, including an explicit commitment by President Obama himself in 2011, the Obama administration carried out a shameful anti-Israel ploy at the UN.
I would like to tell you that the resolution that was adopted, not only doesn’t bring peace closer, it drives it further away. It hurts justice; it hurts the truth. Think about this absurdity, half a million human beings are being slaughtered in Syria. Tens of thousands are being butchered in Sudan. The entire Middle East is going up in flames and the Obama administration and the Security Council choose to gang up on the only democracy in the Middle East – the State of Israel. What a disgrace.
My friends, I would like to tell you on the first night of Chanukah that this will not avail them. We reject this resolution outright, just as we rejected the UN resolution that determined that Zionism was racism. It took time but that resolution was rescinded; it will take time but this one will also be rescinded. Now I will tell you how it will be rescinded. It will be rescinded not because of our retreats but because of our steadfastness and that of our allies. I remind you that we withdrew from Gaza, uprooted communities and took people out of their graves. Did this help us at all at the UN? Did this improve our relations at the UN? We were hit with thousands of rockets and at the UN we were hit with the Goldstone report!
So I will tell you what is clear, I know, to the vast majority of Israeli citizens: We learned this lesson, and we will not go there. But I also want to tell you something else: We are not alone. I spoke last night with many American leaders. I was pleased to hear from members of the American Congress, from Democrats and Republicans alike, that they will fight an all-out war against this resolution with all the power at their disposal. I heard the exact same things from our friends in the incoming administration, who said that they will fight an all-out war against this resolution. And I heard this from across the spectrum of American public opinion and American politics – Republicans, Democrats, Jews and non-Jews. As I spoke yesterday with leaders in Congress and the incoming American administration, they told me unequivocally: ‘We are sick of this and it will not continue. We will change this resolution. We will not allow anyone to harm the State of Israel.’ They are declaring their intention to pass legislation to punish countries and bodies that try to harm Israel. They say that this will also include the UN itself. I remind you that the UN receives a quarter, 25%, of its budget from the US alone.
In my most recent speech to the UN, in September, I said that a storm was expected in the UN before it gets better there. We knew that this is possible and we expect that it will come. The resolution that was passed at the UN yesterday is part of the swan song of the old world that is biased against Israel, but, my friends, we are entering a new era. And just as President-elect Trump said yesterday, it will happen much sooner than you think. In the new era there is a much higher price for those who try to harm Israel, and that the price will be exacted not only by the US, but by Israel as well.
Two countries with which we have diplomatic relations cosponsored the resolution against us at the UN; therefore, I ordered yesterday that our ambassadors be recalled from, Senegal and from New Zealand. I have ordered that all Israeli assistance to Senegal be halted, and there’s more to come. Those who work with us will benefit because Israel has much to give to the countries of the world. But those who work against us will lose – because there will be a diplomatic and economic price for their actions against Israel. Additionally, I have instructed the Foreign Ministry to complete, within a month, a reassessment of all of our contacts with the UN, including Israeli financing of UN institutions and the presence of UN representatives in the country. But I am not waiting; already now I have ordered to halt approximately NIS 30 million in financing for five UN institutions, five UN bodies that are especially hostile to Israel. I have already ordered that this be stopped, and there is more to come.
We are on a campaign of improving our relations with the nations of the world. And it will take more time, and I have said this as well, until our improved relations with countries on five continents are also reflected in their decisions in UN institutions. But I would like to tell you something else, and listen closely to what I’m saying. Contrary to what you might expect, it is very likely that last night’s scandalous resolution will accelerate this process, because it is the straw that broke the camel’s back. Last night’s resolution is a call to arms for all of our many friends in the US and elsewhere around the world, friends who are sick of the UN’s hostility toward Israel, and they intend to bring about a fundamental change in the UN. Therefore, this evening I tell you in the language of our sources, the sweet will yet come forth from the bitter and those who come to curse will yet bless.
Here, on the first night of Chanukah, I stand next to the Maccabees of our times, IDF soldiers and wounded IDF heroes. I salute you and I say to you clearly: The light will dispel the darkness. The spirit of the Maccabees will overcome. Happy Chanukah.
@ stevenl:
Only time and history will tell whether he was wrong. This was inevitable at some point. Better 3 1/2 weeks before President Trump gets in with a Republican Majority in both houses than years ago. So far, all of BB’s back-pedaling has been reversible; he’s dithered back and forth. Buying time, as you say.
@ Sebastien Zorn:
He was trying to buy time but never realized how treasures and vicious Obama was going to be!
Eight years of taqiyya! Obama knows taqiyya better than any American that has EVER BEEN in the Gvt since the creation of the USA! The chant of the muezzin must have reminded Obama of his origins!
@ bernard ross:
Don’t you remember when BB was trying not to agree to the TSS and Obama was threatening him and twisting his arm until he said the magic words? BB was trying everything to avoid or delay Obama’s stabbing Israel in the back at the Security Council. Remember, BB was Israel’s UN ambassador during the first Intifada. This has been uppermost in his mind. Now, he is trying to forestall a binding resolution. After that, all bets are off.
Sebastien Zorn Said:
what does this mean?
@ Sebastien Zorn:
at least the Jews might beleive the jews are not thieves.. right now the worlds and Israels Jews see a gov who never disagrees that they are illegitimate and illegal.. and never gives and explanation for that strange behavior. Am I the only one who finds it strange that they cant say those words? How can Trump say those words if israel cannot… words, just words, that need saying
One of the obvious condemnations of BB is that he does nothing to the pals who are bent on continueing these applications..which makes me wonder if he is in cahoots with them
why should they prosper while defaming Israel, why should they prosper while demanding BDS and boycott? I would keep them in poverty and make them beg and pay to leave. I am suspicious because BB freezing of pal money in the past was always rescinded when things blew over. These provocations may be the work of the left and BB to cajole the Jews into a deal. BB can end Oslo, end the road map and deport the PLO and the PA because they would no longer have a legal justification for remaining in Israel.. Their entry into Israel is based upon their signing of the Oslo agreement which is serially breached with every move the pals makes to 3rd parties. Abbas and his crooked sons should be sent across any border and their assets seized. A proper pm of israel would be making them pay and not with BS symbols. I am suspicious that BB is a complete fraud, even all his appts reinforce that for me… he appoints lightning rods to take the flak for his policies so he can still get the votes if the policies are refused by his supporters. The DM and the AG fulfill his policies while he pretends the policies are not his. thats the deal he makes with them when they are appointed
@ bernard ross:
Maybe. I don’t know. It’s the conferring of legitimacy that the foreigners demand. We won’t know until after Jan. 20.
@ bernard ross:
I think he understands the lay of the land. My respect for him keeps growing. It’s the power of the Left in Israel that worries me. Did you see the articles about Ronald Lauder being detained in a phishing expedition against BB, or the harassment of his wife over her shopping list? The Attorney General is a power unto himself! BB doesn’t even control his own cabinet!! The military and Shin Bet is Leftist dominated. And on and on. I wondered whether Sharon, Olmert, et al were really guilty of anything or being railroaded hence their careening to the left in a vain attempt to shield themselves.
Sebastien Zorn Said:
Trump already saw the US lunatic Jews who voted for the anti semites at 70% and libeled Trump as an anti semite….. but when he sees the israeli lunatic Jews he will wonder whether he made the right choice in supporting Jews in Israel outside their ghetto.
@ bernard ross:
Excellent comment presenting the facts as they are.
Netanyahu has done absolutely nothing of true value against the states that voted for the US driven UNSC resolution. He failed again to clearly represent our right to Eretz Israel. He did so intentionally.
AMONA: We have very credible sources informing that absolutely nothing has been done to prepare homes for the to be expelled Amona families.
For those BB apologists who say he is under pressure and he cant even say anything I suggest the following:
“JEWISH SETTLEMENT IN JUDEA SAMARIA IS LEGAL AND LEGITIMATE BUT WE OBSTRUCT IT IN ORDER TO MAKE A PEACE DEAL”
or
“JEWISH SETTLEMENT IN JUDEA SAMARIA IS LEGAL AND LEGITIMATE BUT WE OBSTRUCT IT BECAUSE THE FOREIGNERS HAVE THREATENED US”
this might stop the reputation and anti semitism resulting from the image of the Jews as land thieves, crooks, apartheidists… most of todays anti semitism is due to the illegal illegitimate canard which the leaders of Israel NEVER contradict.
Sebastien Zorn Said:
no, never heard of it, it seems right on… I knew folks who worked for the UN and they said it was corrupt too.
Trump does get it because he understands that it exists primarily as a feeding trough and a club for the feeders to hang out…. whatever they do,or declare, is secondary to their primary MO at the UN. They dont care about arguments or right and wrong.
It is not legal, moral or historical arguments which lead them to their decisions…. it is the horse trading in the back room where it is you give me what I want and I give you what you want… its a club of horse traders, trading horses.. having a good time.
yamit82 Said:
Israelis are the problem
It is the GOI, the PM, the high court, the pres of Israel who are obstructing Jews from settling in YS… the “league of govs are not expelling them.. they are simple repeating what is stated defacto by your pres, your pm, your goi, your high court and perhaps half of the population of Israel. If I am wrong then there would be no problem for any of them to say these words:
“JEWISH SETTLEMENT IN JUDEA SAMARIA IS LEGAL AND LEGITIMATE”
because Israel could not say those words the US has gone from calling them illegitimate to illegal like the euros and UN.
even the pals who have been vanquished many times over have the dignity to claim what they believe in… what do the Jews of Israel beleive in?
The left and seculars want an impossible delusional dream
The religious want perks and privileges and never show up for these other issues… yet 900k showed up for a rabbi’s funeral
the ultra orthodox seek the destruction of Israel.
the problem is that only when jews are in danger of slaughter can they agree on anything and many times they have been too late. If half of Israel wants to give YS away then that is the problem which you should address.. if your PM, GOI and Pres cant mention Jewish rights then that is what you should address. No one put a muzzle on their mouths.
yamit82 Said:
and yet the Pres, PM, GOI, the courts, and half of Israel appear to throw it back in HIS face. No need to look outside of the Jews and Israel to rectify the problem. Trump cant solve it for confused Jews… he will see their confusion and then move away.
@ yamit82:
Awesome. I read that a left wing MK is trying to get BB hauled before a committee to explain his damaging of Israel’s international relations. The left is crowing at this decision. Traitors.
bernard ross Said:
Ted Belman Said:
no, not stupid, and it is true.
His statement does not disagree with yours and does not exclude yours…. in fact, bullies derive a “good time” from bullying, they dont care about the right and wrong of it. You want trump to speak like you..your use of the word “just”. He uses the word as a reducer of the UN’s image of integrity, credibility,ets……. he does not need to say everything about the UN in one sentence but what he said is enough to render it worthless, not worth consideration… which is what I want for all my enemies….
if you ask him tomorrow if he agrees with your additional comment I am sure that he will, and I think you know that.
The main thing is that he is defaming and delegitimizing the UN. He is rendering it as a trivial meaningless piece of crap, he is ridiculing it…. which is a good prelude to kicking their ass. What you are saying is true but not a better tactic… your are criticizing their behavior and what they are, which makes folks think about changing that, and he is just crappin on them and making discussion of details irrelevant. His is a good tactic for those with the power to do things and dont care what others say. It worked well on hillary and Ted. China takes tibet and doesnt bother with the arguments… it lets the others who are powerless chat away until it goes away.
One of Israel, and the Jews problems, is that they have not moved beyond argumentation to action. So much of the argumentation is obsolete and irrelevant because the conclusions will reflect the desires of those with the power. Trump can totally put the UN in chaos if he wants and his dismissive statements invite NO rebuttal or argumentation. His is the MO of power: If I can humble and destroy my enemies then I dont care about what they or others think or argue… if I have power, when they whine about something I did I just slap their face again harder to demostrate “how it go”. If I had power and the euro bitched about YS, I would the next day kick all their asses out of YS. Rather than argue with Trump i would make sure that he is on my side and wants to do for me, arguments become irrelevant when you get what you want…. every winning lawyer knows that.
Israel and Jews should think carefully. Trump stood up for Israel with no gain for himself and broke precedent. If the Jews cant get together to accept the potential for winning land rather than arguments then trump will move away from them. When he sees that half the Jews will curse him for wanting to give to them and that half will curse him for allowing it to be given to the arabs… he will do what every sensible person will do…. give it to the arabs because you will satisfy the most folks and you just cant satisfy the Jews…. why bother. Its time for Jewish leadership to stand up for Jewish rights even if you cant achieve them. Rivlin and BB are symbols of under the table Jews who cant speak for jews. As for the left, they deserve a pinochet. the day that YS is gone, haifa and TA are on the table.
yamit82 Said:
IMO.. all these moves are secondary and even questionable as they will all be later reversed just like the freezing of pal funds. In fact I wonder if it has the same purpose, to appear like he is championing Israel while doing litte on the real issue. The real issue is the right of Jews to live in any part of Israel…and ESPECIALLY outside the euro/obama designated ghetto boundaries of the existing major settlement blocks.
How do we know that BB is not really just another tough love advocate who welcomes this move? How do we know that he did not ask for it in order to move the Israeli psyche further to the leftist position of giving away YS outside the major blocks? In action BB’s postion is really the position of the left wrt all the rest of YS outside the ghetto boundaries.
BB makes sure to limit building to areas which will be kept, within the major settlement blocks. BB has made sure to move the Israel psyche to forget about building any NEW MAJOR blocks OUTSIDE the ghetto boundaries. When he came in there was still discussion of new blocks and now it has disappeared. How did he do that, you ask? He created drama around everything he approved which was within all the areas “everyone knew would be kept”. He could have had the same dramas and same result as now had he built large new towns in the vacant lands of E1 and YS. People forgot about the rest of it and focused attention on where he wanted it focused. All the external behaviors have actually strenghtened his MO to acclimate Israel ONLY to the existing major blocks euro/obama designated ghetto boundaries. During all this he has approved major pal projects and given land in C to the pals for their projects.
Notice that even now, even though Oslo and the road map are totally breached and there is no reason to observe them, even with Trump arriving with an ambassador who before arriving said Trump is not against settlements… even now there is not one mention of Jewish historic and legal rights in all of Israel NOR a single undertaking of a new settlement outside the ghetto.
Where is Rivlin… every day he was yapping about the rights of others… nothing about Jewish rights. You know,as you and I discussed, I gave BB the benefit of the doubt… but I have watched his moves since the election and his appts… as I said would make my decision. My decision is that BB is incopetent and a poor leader OR that he is smart and intentionally keeping Jewish nationalist interests in a holding pattern until he can give YS away for a deal. I now give him another benefit… right now he has a reason to say nothing due to his narrative of obama doing worse… but on trump arrival his excuses are finished….
Is it incompetency that he has no plan for this veto, the iran deal, the fall of oslo and the road map…… or is it that he has an unspoken plan that has daily been demonstrated to us for the last 8 years? these diplomatic brouhahas that will blow over are not a plan… in fact I think they are negative and meaningless, why?
he did not ban the euros and the UN from YS
he did not demonstrate jewish settlement rights in YS outside the ghetto.
these petty diplomatic brouhahas are symbolic and have no bearing on the main issue of Jewish settlement…. he is punishing others for that which he and rivlin cannot themselves say….. and avoiding the real issue.
@ Ted Belman:
Agree with you on this one there is no legitimate reason to for this vile institution to exist except that it servers the interests of Global power interests otherwise it would not exist today….
The the most obvious foe, Islam is neither identified as a foe, nor fought as an enemy. Rather than identify and defeat Islamic Jihad it assists and enables it. In this rationally inexplicable fact [is] a key, perhaps the key to western decadence, its inversion of its core values and the tyranny it is becoming, a tyranny that destroys free will and the history and education that nurture it.
But, the war of the present day stems from a war that has been raging for centuries – and whose focus always was the rejection, persecution, expulsion, murder of the Jews. Focused initially in the Roman Empire this soon morphed into the Roman church and its only in these latter days that the aims of the church to play good cop/bad cop with Islam in re-occupying Israel through ‘diplomacy’ rather than crusades is seen more clearly – by some, the interplay of the European-Vatican bloc with the Anglo-American and Russian imperial systems, and how all of them use the “world community” (UN) to isolate and target Israel, making the Jewish homeland a place of attrition and terror that the powers keep at a high boil.
Underlying all the processes, road maps, and one-sided agreements forced upon Israel ‘for peace’ is the internationalist agenda for a World State. This godless, borderless, tyrannical society still is mocked as Orwell’s fantasy or that of “conspiracy nuts” but its slogans and methods now are heard and seen in every corner of the ‘west’. But Israel is the core and its planned dismemberment the ultimate “Munich Pact.” We are seeing in our own time a constant re-working of Psalm 83: “The nations take counsel together, saying, come let us cut them off from nationhood that Israel’s name not be remembered any more’. The nations of today are not just the Arab/Muslim nations all around who make no bones about their plan ‘to wipe Israel off the map’, but the much more deceitful dealings of the British and the American State Dep; both British and American governments have worked for destruction of Israel – since 1920 into our days, dressing it up as a Road map to peace. There are numerous examples of Israel’s current leadership who are the willing pawns of the leaders of this New World Order.
Israel’s anti-democratic system controls those Jews who do not lie down before the false claims of the godless Left. Israel’s original Labor Zionism is exposed for the sham that it now is and how well it now works with the Arab-oriented British and American diplomatic establishments. America, whose Puritan basis contained a profound love for the Bible – which by definition includes the land of Israel and the Jews – has become a state security system, now called the Department of Homeland Security that is geared toward a Continental bloc and federated world of mindless consumer-serfs. This is the antithesis of Judaism and the Jewish model of a world built of discrete nations and people with free will and responsibility. The behind-the-arras rulers of the UK hatched this plan (Communism is simply the Russian version) are totally complicit in the terror by which Europe becomes Eurabia and London, Londonistan. In spite of bombs and terror attacks the notion that Islam is a ‘religion of peace’ is still the official line of both church and state in Britain and in the US the President says the same while calling continually for a ‘Two-State Solution’ in the Middle East -. By burying the truth of the past, Israel, the West forfeits a living present and fossilizes into a sterile imperial monster, drunk with forgetting.
Americans take note and beware: Israel and the Jews are the canary in the mine. If a league of governments can justify expelling Jews from their ancient homeland, any government can ‘justify’ expelling any person from their home, — and will do so.
God designated the Land for the Jewish people as an “everlasting possession” to practice an exemplary simple, integrated, reasonable and joyous way of life. It is equally clear that the ‘peace’ which all long for only comes when the Jews are living on their covenanted-promised land and are free to defend themselves. Thus the ‘peace’ about which the world endlessly speaks is a sham, a cover for terror, “security measures” and the destruction of the ordered freedom that is Judaism’s core. If Israel allows “faithless shepherds” to spurn their birthright the void will be filled with HAMAS [“violence”], foreign soldiers and alien gods. The banner of Israel must be raised, a single nation upon the hills of Israel.’
While it is for us to study, discern and amend these dynamics [of a global security state]…it is stated very clearly by the Eternal One in Torah, “Those who bless Israel I will bless; those who afflict Israel I will afflict.” And so it comes to pass.
@ bernard ross:
No that is a stupid thing to say. It is much more than that. It is an agent for globalization. It gives a platform to thugs and tyrants and legitimates them.
@ yamit82:
That is a start all right. Noticeable is the US absence from the list. Nevertheless, the best response so far.
@ bernard ross:
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
URGENT – JERUSALEM: Israel suspends “working ties” with Britain France Russia China Japan Ukraine Spain New Zealand Uruguay Senegal Angola and Egypt over anti-Israel UN vote.
@ bernard ross:
Yes, he does. Know this film?
U.N. Me
https://youtu.be/8S63T-nAa1o
See, he gets it.
@ bernard ross:
Tenks.
Sebastien Zorn Said:
CA and I have had some conversations on this forum in the past. 😛
BB should stop whining about obama and use this opportunity to make bold sweeping changes in policies regarding settlement, land for peace and the rights of Jews…. making Israelis and Jews first.
I believe there is a chinese character which signifies Crisis which contains danger and opportunity in one character.
@ bernard ross:
Poetic swearing is good; please insert “urine” — Or was it “seats?” Hmmm. You never can tell with some people — next time so I don’t have to be alone in the dock when CuriousAmerican yells at me and calls me infantile.
“No one expects the Spanish Inquisition”
https://youtu.be/7WJXHY2OXGE
So there!
Say, where’s Miss HoneyBee when we need her? Hey, teach, you around?
@ bernard ross:
There were never any doubts about the duplicity, betrayals, lies, contraptions to deceive making the core of Netanyahu.
Several of us consistently warned about the speechster to little avail. In fact, he intentionally participated in defeating Israel while pretending to be confronting Iran as well as dragging us into the debacle we face now.
if Netanyahu is not removed from power he will destroy all of Y & S and Jerusalem as well. Perhaps also the Golan and parts of the Negev.
yamit82 Said:
me neither… but I think that depends less on him than on BB, Israel and Jews.. so far the Jews have not done well with it.
yamit82 Said:
BB needs to cooperate with trump in getting anti sanction legislation passed in the US that cuts off trade etc. there are some local and state laws now but if he can get Trump to back it as a matter of pride… that obama tried to tie his hands… he can demonstrate that obama cant tie his hands. When international corps see america against something, they avoid investing.
yamit82 Said:
I have known people like him, not political… and also much more than transactional. I think he is loyal to others and expects loyalty back… I dont see contradictions… he just talks like an ordinary person who is a businessman too. I think he expects that if you give your word you will follow through but if you are disingenuous he will slaughter you and anything goes… like he did with cruz and hillary. True he is an egotist who likes to be liked… but he is not stupid where he cant recognize a BS artist….. those people he gave nicknames were people who were all fakes and bullshitters… he is nice to folks until they cross him. I would do the same. What he does is just “not done”…. I like that…. when he calls out a bullshitter and shits all over him. I am hoping he does that to Obama, the dems, the euros, the french…. if BB has the ability….. imagine if Trump liked you and decided to take on your enemies and defamers… I would love to have trump on my side doing what no one does…. did you see everyones face he slapped so far…. thats what I want him to do for Israel…… but with him you cant be weak and wishy washy… you must be strong and have his back and he will have yours….. not like that chicago bathhouse cokehead feygele muslim who thinks your back is for screwing and stabbing.
I apologise for swearing, just using poetic license… one of the things I love about Israpundit…. they censor the real stuff not the superficial and rarely censor anything… thanks ted.
yamit82 Said:
this is a problem when so many Jews libeled and slandered Trump.. BB cannot just arrive as a whiny begging supplicant seeking sympathy and a bail out…. BB should be thinking of what Israel can do for the US too… how can he help Trump. Israel could be a bigger partner in the US geostrategic game and also a bigger influence on US positions…. but if folks on the left do the talking Trump will be confused. A top right wing Israeli leader could make this a great opportunity but I see no one of that level….. Trump would have Israels back but he would probably want the same in reverse…like two friends helping each other in a common fight. To me there is great opportunity, but I see no one getting it. Trump has already proven his undeserved loyalty when, in spite of Jewish slanders, he stood up for Israel in a highly unprecedented manner with no potential gain for himself opening himself to unneccessary criticism for nothing….. how can Israel support and help Trump is a reasonable question for someone to ask.
@ bernard ross:
Don’t disagree with you but he has never been in such a situation where at home no real threatening opposition and never a real friend in the WH that would support a right wing agenda so the stars might be aligned for him to show us if he is really ideologically prepared to stake a position with American backing. Still not sure Trump will be as supporting as you hope he has many contradictions and is a transactional president everything viewed thru prism of deal making. How that kind of thinking can be applied to our geopolitical position and problems beats me.
@ bernard ross:
Bolton says Obama killed resolution 242 and if you don’t have land legitimately you can’t trade for peace as per 242. He is afraid of sanctions led by the EU. Bolton says the 2 state solution is effectively now dead. Trump will need now to defend Israel against nations trying to impose sanctions and even predicts the demise of UN a possibility. He said Obama did not stab Israel in the back but in the front
yamit82 Said:
I dont think there will ever be a US pres who would do as much for Israel and the right as trump… the problem is not putting his eggs in trumps basket but that BB is not right wing, does not want YS, does not want to annex… BB will be to the left of Trumps ambassador… Trump will back him but I dont think BB wants his backing… just like Herzog, gal on, barak, livni…
I have never seen BB do ANYTHING of merit as PM… his MO is status quo… he would be more likely to move left than right.
yamit82 Said:
I am sick of these dumb jews who always have to say they made a mistake… they did the same thing with the civil rights movement when the blacks stabbed their back. Leftists can never distinguish between reality and their hopey dreams.
yamit82 Said:
the problem is BB …. if BB is strong and has a strong relationshship with Trump it doesnt matter what the UN does… a declaration of statehood can be used by a different leader to annex… but BB is either too weak or a mole for the other side.
@ yamit82:
its not about tying obama’s hands… its about tying Americas hands… the UN resolution cannot reversed by the USA. However, trump, BB and the USA can use the opportunity to shit on obama, to shit on the dem party and to make the most sweeping decisions as a result of Obamas betrayal and tyrannical behavior.
also, of great importance is that the US has never prior declared the settlements illegal.. they called them illegitimate. It appears to me that obama made an illegal declaration and I wonder if the US gov can be sued.
I think that Israel should very carefully coordinate with Trump to inststute a US program of legal punitive measures against corps, institutions and nations who obstruct the settlement. This may be a time to sue for the appication of the US guarantee and ratification of the LON mandate which makes it clear that other nations are legally obligated to encourage and facilitate settlement. Opportunities should be taken on every front using this situation as the pretext to change everything, a great leader can now make huge bold moves. a strong US backer is better than the UN. But I am afraid that the jews will screw it up with their criticism of trump and BB MO of asking for a TSS.
@ bernard ross:
I need to wait to see what will be Trumps public policy on the ME and Israel and whether Obams declars for a Palis state officially. Knowing BB he will have already put all his eggs in Trumps basket which puts in in a very weak position and will try to convince Trump to cover for him and prop him up politically…. Unless Trump pushes BB to the real right BB will offer to make trump the guy who made peace and that’s Trumps’s wt dream as well a sure Nobel for both of them if they can pull it off… Trump by supporting Israel could push Abbas into negotiating then all bets are off. Or he can do what his old mentor and boss did start a new intifada forcing a conclusion favorable to the Arabs……
Declarations would be nice but actions are more important and I watch BB the Enoch very closely he is trying now to build a firewall to prevent a declaration of statehood by Obama which would usher in a tsunami of nations following Obama….. wait a few weeks and we will see
@ yamit82:
Senator Cruz just called for cutting off aid to the U.N. As did President-elect Trump. That’s no joke. The UN must be concerned. This has never happened before. Not even when President Bush I got the 1975 “Zionism is Racism” General Assembly resolution repealed. The video you sent is dated. It’s from before Friday’s vote. It may even be from before Wednesday’s vote. They seem to be discussing the ramifications of Trump denouncing it on Tuesday night. They were clever. It was like a boxer’s feint with the left to draw out the opponent and get him to lower his guard after, before striking with the right. I think they only publicized the Friday vote two hours before the vote. The news coverage and analyses is very poor in general. I really had to search. This appears to be a non-binding resolution and therefore has no real consequences if another shoe doesn’t drop. There are different types of resolutions. This one only seems to have the weight of a recommendation. It has no teeth. See this analysis:
“The Legal Effects of Resolutions of the UN Security Council and General Assembly in the Jurisprudence of the ICJ”
http://ejil.oxfordjournals.org/content/16/5/879.full
and this about the nature of the resolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2334
Lindsay Graham has also called for an end to aid. He chairs the committee that actually provides the aid to the UN in the Senate. Carries a lot of weight.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-un-graham-idUSKBN14C1SJ
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Watch “Louisville Students for Justice in Palestine” disrupting Republican Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s Pro-Israel Speech
https://youtu.be/xTVUIXbl-nw
How do you think he will vote? The UN is toast.
It does not matter what anyone else is saying the only thing that matters is what is the Israeli PM, Pres and Gov doing.
If it is more talk and symbolic reactions then I will conclude that they are in on the deal… using it as a way to cajole the Israeli public into accepting giving the rest of YS to the pals.
Before his last election I gave BB the benefit of the doubt and put up a similar yardstick regarding his performance in which he has consistenly since been operating in obstruction to the right while pretending to defend the rights positions. Now this is another defining junction which will define his real position
@ Sebastien Zorn:
Cruz is a fraud in the tank to globalists and his wife a director at Goldman does not compute with his so called conservative positions….. He had no problem taking money from them and why would they give him money in the first place if he was not in the tank. My sources tell me not only did he vote for Corker amendment he helped author it. Then went public denouncing the very bill…. I knew from that point he was bad news and no real friend of Israel supporting actively the very enemies who want to kill me and giving them billions and free way to get to such a position where they can reasonably execute their vile intentions cannot be considered a friend. Glick is a good analyst but has lousy judgement she loves BB and refuses to criticize him. She worked for him in 1996 and there might have been something between them I can’t think of any other reason or excuse for her blindness toward him she is too smart. Don’t waste my time with metaphors or inane rants they become worn over time. That said I have used some of your links on you tube for my comments on other sites. Thanks for those.
@ yamit82:
beinart talks like a cokehead
all this could be cleared up by rivlin and BB saying these words:
JEWISH SETTLEMENT IN JUDEA SAMARIA IS LEGAL AND LEGITIMATE”
or this alternate:
“IT IS NOT FORBIIDDEN FOR JEWS TO LIVE IN JUDEA SAMARIA”
So, what do you think are the chances of either one of them ever saying those words…?
with Trump coming in what will be their excuse then?
Rivlin has so many humanitarian comments about others, too bad he has no Judea Samaria for Jews.
@ bernard ross:
Alan Dershowitz: ‘Appalling’ Obama ‘Stabbed Israel in Back’ With UN Abstention Haaaaa it took this for Dersh to oppose the Black Plague LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR1I9-_9NMg
Dermer on CNN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR1I9-_9NMg
@ yamit82:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC5h0lnjd38
@ yamit82:
You should be able tell what’s relevant from the titles if you have no sensitivity to metaphor. Cruz fell down on that one for reasons unknown, but has been one of Israel’s strongest supporters. I voted for him in the primary on the strength of Caroline Glick’s endorsement of him as “Israel’s champion in the Senate.” Haley opposed Trump in the primary. Trump was calling for neutrality at one point. So what? The pro-Israel Republican platform was written by a Trump-Cruz coalition. Cruz is on our side. Check out his Twitter account. Both he and Trump seem to mainly communicate to the public through Twitter. You really should subscribe. Your objection is irrelevant and immaterial. Case dismmissed (dissed for short, since we all seem to just LUUUV Orwellian abbreviation so much.)
@ bernard ross:
CNN Panel Has Heated Exchange Over Trump’s UN Intervention | Dennis Prager vs Peter Beinart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LfjmMy_FZc
@ Sebastien Zorn:
You post too much irrelevant stuff to filter each item and link besides I already know the details unless I question them or add my own 2 cents. as for Haley I said she supported Cruz who was a supporter of Corker amendment that allowed Obama to bypass the senate in pushing thru the Iran deal….. So I hold her complicit by association at least….
@ bernard ross:
Perhaps, Rhodes was referring to this informative article from October 31, written by somebody or other named, uh, Ted Belman? I think.
https://www.israpundit.org/archives/63618784?utm_source=phplist3035&utm_medium=email&utm_content=HTML&utm_campaign=OBAMA+PLANS+TO+RECOGNIZE+PALESTINE
Which, upon googling, I found here:
http://thejerusalemconnection.us/blog/2016/10/31/obama-preparing-anti-israel-offensive-plans-recognize-palestine/
watch the WSJ video referred to in the article:
http://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-journal-obama-plans-to-recognize-palestine/434D7AC2-003F-43FF-B591-5143876FA8B2.html
Talks about what Obama might do. I was dismayed to learn that it was the Reagan administration that started talks with the PLO. I have to give Reagan a very mixed review. Wasn’t Pollard also railroaded under Reagan? Withdrew under fire in Lebanon, sold weapons to Iran in Iran/Contra. I have a lot more confidence in Trump.
I’m leaving first. I made an appointment to teach my grandmother to suck eggs. I don’t want to dissapoint her.
@ bernard ross:
Was reported on TV as a news item in context to Israel ambassador say we got the goods iron clad against Obama and co, that’s where I heard it but I saw another ref on FB to same and they said now France wants out of Jan peace conf and that Obama looking for another venue
@ Birdalone:
No,I got that it was from you but the only reply link was to Ted. Didn’t understand why you didn’t just reply to me directly — sudden shyness? — so since he was reposting it, I was guessing you might or might not be speaking for the two of you.