Dr. Aaron Lerner, IMRA Date 23 July 2013
The survey was conducted by Maagar – Interdisciplinary Research and Consulting Institute Ltd., managed by Professor Yitzhak Katz.
The survey was commissioned by The Orly & Guy Morning Program – Channel 10
TV and conducted by telephone on 22 July of a sample of 503 respondents, constituting a representative sample of Israel’s adult population (aged 18 and over – including Israeli Arabs). Statistical error +/- 4.5 percentage points.
Are you for or against Israel entering negotiations with the Palestinians in
the wake of the visit of US Secretary of State John Kerry to the region?
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Total:For 59% Against 31% Other replies 10%
Jews: For 49% Against 41% Other 10%
In principle, are you for or against signing a full peace agreement with the
Palestinians on the basis of the 1967 borders, including the exchange of
territory and release of prisoners?
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Total: For 29% Against 57% Other replies 14%
Jews: For 22% Against 62% Other 16%
Are you for or against signing a peace agreement with the Palestinians on
the basis of the 1967 borders, including the evacuation of communities with
the exception of settlement blocs, exchange of territory, Palestinians
recognition of Israel as the state of the Jewish People, and release of
Palestinians with “blood on their hands”.
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Total: For 26% Against 61% Other 13%
Jews: For 18% Against 71% Other 11%
‘It’s Not the People Who Vote that Count; It’s the People Who Count the Votes’ and they are the Post-Zionist Elites or what the Martin Sherman calls the backseat limo drivers who dictate to Limo driver Bibi where to drive.
@ yamit82:
Did you see Obama with the Ambassador from Viet Nan? Obama praised Ho Chi Min form his love of Jefferson. You were correct my Dear, the Govt does not appreciate its Vets.
@ yamit82:
Big Cat: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/172943#.UfRV0aKRRJc.email
@ honeybee:
Royal wedding: Jerusalem
Jerusalem, the Anthem, with simultaneous lyrics
@ yamit82:
You watched Dennis Millar on Bill O’Reilly’s show!!!!!!!!!!!
@ yamit82:
This is not a parable, I have seen this behavior between magpies and coyotes, a large animal [cat?] made a kill[yearling deer] under my bedroom window. The swarking of the ravenious magpies called in the coyotes. It took 6 hour and every thing was gone. Tex took the scull for his collection.
I left the remark about the hawk in a post after you and Ross discussed the spying Kesteral.
@ honeybee:
I thought they would name the kid Mohamed, it’s the most popular name in Britain today.
honeybee Said:
Sorry I must have missed the comment give me the link.
Ever hear the parable of the “Wolf and Crow”
“Wolf and Crow are together for a reason. They hate each other, he said, but they need each other to survive. See, He pointed to the crow, flying high above the wolf and cawing loudly as he looked down. The wolf was clearly understanding the crow, and, on the alert, was following the crow across the landscape with a determined, tail-down hunting posture. The experts don’t know this, and even when they see it, they don’t believe it, but Natives know that Crow shows Wolf where the animals are, and after Wolf eats, Crow feasts on the bones.”
yamit82 Said:
And here you are grrumping at the new royal baby,breed Brits breed!!!!!!!!!!!!!
watsa46 Said:
Extreme and extremists always prevail.
Islam is winning today through the womb. They make lots of babies the europeans and Americans less illegal immigrants have negative population growth. Islam can just wait till they reach near majorities and become dominant in those democratic societies. Europe is already beyond the point of correction and America is 10-15 years behind Europe.
Lets hear it for the Queers and Tolerance.
Muslim Demographics-The Islamic Tidal Wave
yamit82 Said:
Goodnes Yamit 82, you sound like your grading papers. Did you notice I spelled furugenious correctly. The hwk finnish her rabbit and the Magpies had the scrapes. There is a political lesson there!!!!!!!!
@ Bill Narvey:
You fail o explain why the great interest and effort by America and Europe to bring about an agreement between the Palis and Israel? Especially at this time.
It’s apparent that most Arab countries really don’t care that much and are not pressuring either America or Europe to involve themselves. All of the Arab countries have much more on their individual and collective plates than worry over some Palis whom they all hate almost as much as the Jews. You don’t explain when the whole of the ME is in turmoil and the end not yet predictable with Iran at the brink of nuclear breakout, why such interest and effort not to mention risk of prestige can explain why Israel is at the top of their list. None of the Turmoil in the region is directly related to the Pali Israel conflict which is not so hot at the moment. Solving our conflict even if it were possible would not effect any other regional problem. It won’t diffuse them either.
I think your analysis is boiler plate bon-ton and shallow. You need to dig deeper and try to see the big picture including the history of the region and global power interests looking foreword.
Islam being supremacist will not enter in any deal.
“Islam” has 4 options: reform, be reformed, self-destroy or be destroyed.
Extreme does not prevail specially when humans are in the middle.
@ LtCol Howard:
Your back, good to hear from you. How things at the Jewish Journal?
This poll is consistent with past polls. Israelis share a Western democratic mindset that to deal with, resolve and settle differences between competitors and enemies, war should be avoided at practically all costs and that engagement and sincere bone fide negotiations are the way to go. Small wonder that the majority of Israelis favor seizing just about any opportunity that comes around to renew negotiations with the Palestinians.
The responses to the other 2 questions however, reveals that the majority of Israelis reject having to buy Palestinian agreement to just come to the table by Israel releasing Palestinian terrorists with blood on their hands. The responses more fundamentally reveal that the majority of Israelis reject the most recent permutation of the TSS being pushed by the West which now practically mandates that the TSS goal and the process by which it is to be reached must be based on the 1967 armistice lines being treated as borders.
The Palestinian position begins with the end goal of any peace agreement with Israel, must begin with establishing the borders of an independent Palestinian state based on the 1967 armistice lines and the peace process to reach that goal, must be premised on that objective. The Palestinian position however, does not end there.
This interminable war between Israel and the Palestinians is not about land for peace as Westerners insist and Israel by its positions, appears to go along with, subject to seeking to retain more land and control for security reasons than the Palestinians would ever agree to.
Palestinians are not of the same Western mindset as Israel. Their perceptions, aspirations and means to their ends are in large part guided by their cultural and religious influences that are in many ways antithetical to the Judeo-Christian and democratic culture and influences of the West.
Further, the evidence is practically insurmountable that Abbas, the PA and Fatah do not see the Western conceived TSS as an end in itself, but rather a stage to be reached from which to carry on their efforts to realize their goal that will end Israel’s existence.
Add to that, any peace deal with Abbas on behalf of Palestinians in J & S will not achieve peace between Israel and Hamas. Hamas’ raison d’etre is to bring about the end of Israel. It has a 2ndary objective of unseating Abbas, the PA and Fatah, gaining power and control over all so called Palestinians in Gaza and J & S and with all Palestinians under its command to carry on its agenda to destroy Israel.
The West has to know this, but ignores it perhaps on the whimsical notion of hoping that if a TSS can be achieved between Israel and the J & S Palestinians, Hamas’ strength would be lessened and with that, it would be Abbas, the PA and Fatah destroying Hamas rather than the other way around.
Western powers that push the TSS paradigm, consciously or intuitively recognize that they cannot or will not pressure Palestinians to embrace the TSS as the West sees it, for they also see that to do otherwise, might risk prejudicing their own interests in the greater Middle East region. Thus the West continues to pressure only Israel to accede to its ever adjusted TSS paradigm that favors the Palestinians, believing that it might have a better chance of satisfying the Palestinians and other regional Arab players. Added to that, the West seeks to buy Palestinian co-operation with massive foreign aid.
What we are left to conclude by the evolving TSS paradigm is that the Palestinians (and the other regional Arab players) are winning this war of words and ideas and Israel is becoming increasingly isolated.
The current TSS notion is now predicated on the 1967 armistice lines with minor adjustments and territorial swaps, which incidentally guts UN Resolution 242.
The end result is that the West is pushing for a TSS that neither Israel nor the J & S Palestinians can go along with without jeopardizing their own survival.
Peace efforts between Israel and the Palestinians remains the same as peace efforts back in 1948 between Israel and the Arabs, which is like trying to pound an immutable square peg into an immutable round hole.
Welcome back Ted. You had us worried.
At this time Israel needs your wisdom and balance.
Hope is correct if it comes to vote. I very much doubt it will come to vote.
Yidvocate Said:
85% of Jewish Israelis oppose the expected release of Arab terrorists from Israeli prisons to jumpstart peace talks.
Most Israeli Jews know the the Arabs are not interested in peace.
There is no Palestinian Arab Sadat waiting in the wings.
And that’s without dividing Jerusalem and the “”right”” of return!
Add that to the mix and what do we get?
Total: For 0% Against 100%%