31 July 13 09:43, Globes’ correspondent
Although the government’s decision to release 104 security prisoners ahead of the resumption of peace talks with the Palestinians was resentfully accepted by Habayit Hayehudi, behind the party’s decision to stay in the coalition, despite bitter objections by its members, is an agreement between Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Minister of Housing and Construction Uri Ariel. Hebrew daily “Ma’ariv” reports that, under the agreement, Israel will unfreeze building plans for thousands of housing units in Judea and Samaria in exchange for keeping Habayit Hayehudi in the coalition.
According to “Ma’ariv”, top sources in Habayit Hayehudi said that Netanyahu and Ariel had a secret dialogue through sealed envelopes. In this dialogue, they agreed to unfreeze building plans for projects, mainly in settlement blocs and in Jerusalem, in exchange for the decision to release the Palestinian terrorists getting through the coalition and the government.
“Ma’ariv” reports that plans for the construction of 1,000 housing units will be approved soon, and plans for an additional 3,500-4,500 housing units will be approved in the coming months. Sources in Habayit Hayehudi said that party chairman Minister of the Economy Naftali Bennett was involved in the contacts, and calmed party members, saying that he doubted that the new talks with the Palestinians would lead to a diplomatic agreement, so there was no point in threatening to quit the government.
Ariel’s bureau told “Ma’ariv” in response, “Minister Ariel constantly holds meetings, discussions, and correspondence with the Prime Minister’s Bureau to find solutions for the housing market in all parts of the Land of Israel, including Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria. The minister has always demanded, since taking up his post, that construction in Jerusalem and in Judea and Samaria should be allowed, and is working to this end.”
A hint at this agreement can be seen in the speech by MK Ayalet Shaked (Habayit Hayehudi) from the Knesset podium on Monday, when she turned to the Palestinians and said, “I see your celebrations in Ramallah. Take them (the prisoners who will be released). That is what you look like. This is our partner.
“You should know that for each murderer who will be released we will build scores of homes in Judea and Samaria,” Shaked said. “That is how it has worked since the dawn of Zionism: we build and they kill. Each of us does what he knows how to do.”
Huge explosion hits central Syrian city of Homs
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/VIDEO-Huge-explosion-hits-central-Syrian-city-of-Homs-321794
fat lady hasn’t finished singing
honeybee Said:
Do Texas Southern Ladies drink hard liquor? Or just You?
I’m back to vodka and salted fish and jerky for snacks
bernard ross Said:
Just checked it’s out of moderation #13
this continues my last post in moderation
yamit82 Said:
do not confuse the failure of a plan with the absence of a plan. To see the plan you must look back. whether the plan works at all or is not smooth is irrelevant to its existence. Much of what you are writing has to do with you seeing failure in the scenario I think is operating. I pointed out myself a number of ways in which their plan can fail. IN fact most plans involving the US fail. However, this does not mean they are not trying to organize a plan and in my view seeing the plan explains lots of strange things. Whether the Jihadis succed against Assad, etc does not mean that the GCC is not been engaged in a consistent operation involving the US. We can only speculate on the future but I am now pretty sure that the past has been organized and points to certain goals. Because you believe the elements are not there and jihadis are disorganized that it means they do not have a plan. Weren’t you the one always saying that in politics there are no coincidences. I am amazed at how consistent with my suspicions things have worked out so far as I predicted. Tomorrow is a new day and your speculations on outcomes cannot be evidence of the existence of a plan.
In the moderated post I re-quoted an EU official alluding to the existence of a plan which is pretty explicit.
https://www.israpundit.org/archives/56568/comment-page-1#comment-284363
bernard ross Said:
Your comments or the moderations?
reply 44 to yamit in moderation, this becomes boring and time wasting.
yamit82 Said:
I see lots of evidence. Ask yourself what is the US/GCC doing in syria, why are they there? Do you believe there is a sudden coincidental sunni war against the shias? What was qatar doing with hamas and what role did they have in the cease-fire, and why?
yamit82 Said:
You obviously see a plan but not the bigger plan. The question is why is the US suddenly involved in Syria. answer: because the GCC is at war with iran and the US is part of it. Why did the US help saudis buy arms and vet jihadis sent by saudis. what about the coincidence of the Turkish kurdish cease fire and the pressure for an israel apology? why did Obama want the apology? If there is no plan then it is all coincidence, that is much harder to believe.
there have bben a number of interconnected occurences which I have noted along the way, the most recent indication which I pointed out is as follows;
http://www.jpost.com/Features/Front-Lines/Diplomacy-Top-EU-official-says-Europe-needs-Israel-321107
yamit82 Said:
there were some incidents in past weeks but I thought the kuds and AQ came to an understanding at that time.
yamit82 Said:
Tell which is the best Russian spetnatz **navy seals*** Israeli special forces, or are they al on a par?
Lapid Suspends MK for Abstaining During Knesset Vote
MK Adi Koll went with her conscience and abstained on the Governance Bill, angering Lapid who suspended her.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/170479#.Ufp3Vo2Tjes
apparently there is no need for representatives. Perhaps Israel should just have votes of party heads and dispense with the salaries of individual reps. Just say the lapids one vote actually counts as 12 and a lot of money and BS debates can be avoided. Lapid appears to be quickly learning the tools of demagoguery but not yet the fig leafs.
M Devolin Said:
I would rather have liqour!!!!!!!!!
Good to hear from you, Yamit, even though every thing you say is in moderation… LOL
yamit82 Said:
are you refering to one comment in mod or 2 on this subject?
honeybee Said:
Israeli intel is better than Americas and if the attack was not successful Israel knows about it without American input which might have come from Israel in any case and leaked.
“You trust them to tell the truth, considering the USA position on Israel?”
Very good point, Honeybee. Took the words right out of my mouth.
honeybee Said:
No, there is no reason for them to be releasing this info even if true.
bernard ross Said:
Should be #13 and is still in moderation so the context is not yet clear.
I don’t think Turkey is involved. Looks like they were protecting their Turf against foreign Jihadists and still are: Also goes to context of my comment in moderation re: foreign Jihadists in Syria.
bernard ross Said:
You trust them to tell the truth,considering the USA position on Israel?
yamit82 Said:
A prophet is not recognized in his own villedge,Darlin.
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yamit82 Said:
this travesty appears to emanate from your thesis that the settlers get no support from govt and other Israelis. If true then it appears that most Israelis have bought into a set of lies perpetrated by the govt and left. This is a good example how ignoring the war of ideas creates havoc on the ground. If the Israeli people had a different set of ideas perhaps they would not allow this.
Report: Syria Moved Missiles Before Israeli Airstrike
American intelligence analysts say that a recent alleged Israeli airstrike in Latakia did not succeed in destroying all targeted missiles.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/170478#.Ufp3Wo2Tjes
yamit82 Said:
I wonder if this is connected to turkey, who is always afraid of Kurds consolidating.
yamit82 Said:
Is it still in moderation? which one?
@ bernard ross:
Thank-you Sweetie,again you are my KNIGHT in shinning prose.
Why is my comment to ross still in moderation from yesterday?
Felix Quigley Said:
few here disagree with this, but what does this have to do with trotsky? Most here would like to see the jews rise up and depose the existing paradigm but why choose trotskyism as a replacement, why not stalinism or any other concept? I think all this trotsky talk, in the absence of reasons, is just a distraction from the real problems.
@ Felix Quigley:
honeybee Said:
It appears that your maligned honeybee is able to make a distinction.
yamit82 Said:
If no one else supports them do you believe they have the numbers to win by force? If not, and even if so, then I suggest they finally organize like the left does and pursue lawfare. Lawfare can be used both in Israel and in foreign entities. Other than terror, it is the only path in a republic in which a minority can get redress. Lawfare also has the benefit of educating ignorant non settlers to the truth of legal jewish settlement which has been obfuscated and obstructed by GOI’s. The primary libel used against the Jews which appears to be succesful is that “jewish settlement is illegal in YS” This libelous canard has been bought by jew and non jew alike. perhaps the only avenue which has not been pursued should be tried. This libelous canard is the sole basis of the current EU attack on Israel. There has been not a shred of meaningful endeavor by successive GOI’s and rightist organizations against this over decades. Fighting this libel is proving to be of prime importance. More importantly it changes the paradigm from feeble defense to offense at which Jews are more successful once they realize something is important enough to require offense.
bernard ross Said:
Tell me about it!!!!!!!!
Trotsky had a political thery **** Stalin had guns *** simple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Felix Quigley Said:
Are you Trotsky’s successor? why dont you just call your advice to the jews Quigleyism? Why do you keep referring to Trotsky but when asked to explain why jews should embrace Trotsky you are silent on the answer.
Why is Trotskyism good for the Jews?
This is a simple question which anyone calling for “trotskyism ” should be able to answer.
You write so many words in avoidance why not write a few to explain why you keep calling for Trotsky?
Smearing people who put forth simple questions is a tactic that demagogues use.
Felix Quigley Said:
Felix Quigley Said:
Felix Quigley Said:
It appears that you have twisted my words to fit your lies. Either you are an ignoramus, or incapable of accurate reading comprehension or a disingenuous liar. I have clearly stated the difference between what I think they are doing and how they see things, as opposed to what I want. In order to be abundantly clear so as to disallow your repeated lies here it is, as most here know already, in a nutshell: I am for full annexation, I am for transfer,I am against granting west bank arabs citizenship in Israel, I think that transfer and withdrawal of citizenship to Israeli arabs should also be considered, I am against the release of the prisoners, I called for protests and the resignation of the govt, I consider livni a foreign agent who should be locked up for treason. My postions are determined by facts rather than PC, dogma and hopes.
If you are not a liar trying to put words in my mouth in an attempt to foist your platform on the jews then try to improve your reading comprehension.
I am intellectually capable of discerning the difference between an objective analysis of what I think is going on and what these people are thinking SEPARATE AND APART from my beliefs and desires which are obviously in opposition. You are apparently so focused on your agenda that you are unable to discern facts from beliefs. In a war it is important to discern reality rather than to substitute your beliefs for fact.
Never, ever Netanyahu had any intention to attacking and destroying the Iranian threats. Nor he has such plans now.
Netanyahu, Dagan, Sharon, Livni. Peres, Barak and others INTENTIONALLY allowed Iran’s nuclear program to advance. A nuclear Iran is an ideal tool in their hands to blackmail Jews. They now are using the “threat” to justify releasing islamic murderers. Later they also will play a role on DSII.
A paradigm for those that passed Logic 101.
For 20 years at least our purported leaders knew about Iran’s plans.
Other that idiotic James Bondish shinola nothing was done.
Q. Why did the Netanyahu and his accomplices build a 20 billion bucks anti – rocket defense system if they intended to destroy the Iranian nuclear and other threats?
Would not destruction of the threat preempt the need of the system? Your call…
My conclusion is that Netanyahu never intended to do the job.
Please do not bother with telling us that the system also stops conventional rockets.
No one would invest billions to design ICBM’s to deliver over-sized petards.
We must focus on the “8” ball. Netanyahu is false as a wooden tooth. A pathological liar. A Nobel chaser at all cost to us. The unJews must be removed from power if we intend to save the day.
I emphasise that these are the same points (not exactly but for all intents and purposes) that have been made continually by Martin Sherman who I consider to be the starting point in understanding the way forward.
Those like Ross who continue to insist that I put forward a “programme” that is a dogma, which explains Trotskyism, miss the point entirely.
What I am writing here IS Trotskyism and my movement is the only inheritor of the spirit of Trotskyism. You will not get from me some abstract dogma. And you can study the history of Trotskyism and Stalinism for yourself, easily!
It must be pointed out that there is no fundamental agreement between Ross and Yamit. Ross has postulated in parts of the above that the conversations with the enemies involving Livni (Livni!) may have a useful outcome for Israel.
Ross thus says many things, talks out of innumerable corners of his mouth, tries to cover ALL bases, but entraps himself, and I am with Yamit therefore in challenging Ross on the above.
That does not lessen in the slightest my disagreements with Yamit. We are independent thank goodness.
It is likely that Jews historically have not understood what a traitor, what a fiend, Begin turned into for the Jews.
If you do not understand what a fiend Begin became, then you cannot understand Netanyahu either, and what a traitor he is, what a fiend he is for the Jews.
In opposition therefore to Ross even though he rightly for once quoted something (one thing) useful (Danon above) it is absolutely vital therefore NOT TO DELAY but to stop these negotiations in their tracks. You cannot wait a single second! Any delay here, or any apologetic from Ross, is totally fatal.
How can this be done? This is where I part with Yamit and insist that he has learned nothing fundamental from Begin and Sinai.
I can put it like this. No Jew that I know of has internalised the latter writings of Martin Sherman. Those writings are more valid than Gil White who has been out of the scene for several years. I do agree though on the need to focus on the Nazi roots to the Palestinian Arabs.
Why not? Sherman has articulated most clearly that Israel is at the end of a road. Israel is finished on the present road. Everything has been tried and failed. He spells out doom for Israel and he is right.
But Sherman also cannot articulate a new way forward.
Who have we therefore in Israeli politics today? Somebody above said that Israeli Labour would not betray over the release of the enemy prisoners. Labour!!! My belly is still sore after laughing at that one. Where do you get these folks from Ted!
The key factors are Feiglin and Bennett. Feiglin is an opportunist vote catcher and a careerist politician plus he is bereft of common sense never mind strategy and Netanyahu has him boxed in. Bennett also is no leader of the type needed as is seen in his peddling the Ross ideas that these negotiations of Livni are manageable. That really is sick making.
So what have we in the leadership of Israel. Absolutely totally I could term all of these present leaders with exception of a few religious as “clones of Begin”.
Another great betrayal is brewing and please return to the two quotes I began with. Yamit and Danon are both 100 per cent right. That is exactly the plan.
It is not so hard to spot. The same thing in these cases, in Sinai, in Gaza, already in parts of JS, and above all and for all time in the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis. There too the Jews were presented with a fait accompli. TIME in every case was of the essence. There always comes a time when you have no more time
All attention should now be devoted to finding the way immediately to mobilise the youth, poor Jews, Jewish patriots, and anybody who will fight against this trap for the Jews.
Against the apologetics above of Ross and others the demands must be raised for Netanyahu to be forced out of power, for a new election under conditions of withdrawal of the traitor Livni from these talks, for the arrest of Abbas at once, for the necessary actions against these descendents of Hajj Amin el Husseini and Eichmann, and for a new revolutionary government to be put in power in Israel.
Sherman could not articulate exactly that. But he is honest and he knew that Jews are at the end of one road and have to embark on another road.
All political strategies and political philosophies are in the melting pot. ALL!
@ bernard ross:
Add this to my comment still in moderation:
Syrian Jihadists Kidnap 200 Kurdish Civilians
An Al-Qaeda-linked group in Syria kidnapped around 200 Kurdish civilians after violent clashes with Kurdish fighters.
Welcome to Chelm
Arab Attack on Jewish Hikers; Jews Arrested
Palestinian Authority Arabs attacked Jewish hikers in the Binyamin region on Wednesday. The hikers were arrested.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/170457#.UfoMTayBbfg
@ yamit82:
Furious Debate as Arab Town gets Jewish Land
Furious debate erupts in Knesset over land transfer from Jewish town to Arab town. MK Feiglin to Arabs: You’re guests here.
@ Shy Guy:
These are the Israelis who will vote in BB’s and Bennett’s referendum :
Arab Israeli MK Tells Knesset Jews Are Enemies of Peace’
Arab Israeli MK Jamal Zahalka (Balad) declared during a government debate at the Knesset that Israeli Jews are an “enemy of peace.”
Zahalka has often positioned himself as representing Arabs from the Palestinian Authority, rather than those in his own constituency, citizens of the State of Israel.
Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, who was present at the debate, shot back, “The first part [of your statement] is not true – and the second part will never happen.”
Kahane was banned for being an anti Arab racist.
@ Shy Guy:
What’s the difference if a vote is taken in the Knesset or plebiscite? If it’s based upon simple majority. In either case the Arab vote might be determinitive and in that case as Haetzi reminds we already have a bi-national state. It seems quite stupid to allow non Jews to determine the Jewish character and borders of the state but that’s what we have with or without the referendum.
Ha-Etzni worked with us against the Sinai withdrawal as our legal adviser. So he knows how the state can act when they use their power to influence public opinion. I guarantee the the referendum will be ready and weighted in favor of the government and pushed on the public with haste in order to limit opposition and debate.
Bennett betrayed us by not demanding 60-65% majority min. to pass. So he actually gained nothing and was once again manipulated by BB. Surprised at Uri Ariel who should know better.
In the end if the settlers themselves do not begin to organize and fight for themselves they are finished. The politicians will not help or save them, nor will the general public, now enjoying their annual vacation once again in TURKEY!!!
@ bernard ross:
I see no apparent evidence of a grand plan re: Iran. I see no evidence that there is evidence of any credible anti regime elements organized or strong enough not only to remove the existing regime from power but to even challenge it. What we did see that in the last anti regime mass demonstrations the opposition consisted of those who were every bit as anti Israel as the current regime and every bit in favor of the Iranian Nuke program as the current regime. The only difference between them seems to rest on internal liberalization but not any external world view that differs for us where it matters. From what I understand the majority of the Iranian people fully support Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
It took American supported Nato forces almost 8 months to down Gaddafi and then only when the Brits and French sent in special forces to finish the job the Jihadist dominated rebels failed to complete and showed massive incompetence as a fighting force just as we see in Syria today.
What began as a CIA planned and supported local insurgency against Assad that began in border towns along the Turkish Syrian and Jordanian Syrian borders and spread inland. As soon as the locals were reinforced by outside Jihadists the rebellion began to fall apart because they were not organized and had no unified command structure. The began to assassinate all local rebel leaders and have caused as many civilian casualties as Assad maybe even more. This created I’m sure a lot of local Syrian animosity and no rebellion can succeed with out support of the population. The Russians have checked the West and I don’t see Nato or the Americans calling their bluff.
I don’t believe The Egyptian Army is taking orders from anyone. What I see are a combination of Ambition, financial considerations both personal and national and opportunity.
By all accounts SISI is every bit the Islamist as Morsi and that’s why Morsi appointed him. The Egyptian Army was always in control but Morsi proved to be both incompetent and a loose cannon so rather than control things through a figure head like Morsi they dumped him and are taking full control. The army will clamp down on the brotherhood to show who is boss and once stabilized the MB will be co-opted under SISI who views himself as an Islamist Nasser and will now seek to build in Egypt a cult of personality based on a combination of pan Arabism and pan Islam.
He fits in well with the GCC world view and they will support him financially negating the influence of the USA and IMF with their restrictive demands. This will not pull Egypt out of her economic crisis, nothing will, but the regime needs to be stabilized and only the Army can do that. I do not see SISI taking orders from the GCC. I see him cooperating with them for mutual interests but not against what they believe are the Armies or the Egyptian interests. Morsi I believe was more amenable to the pressure of Obama and GCC than SISI will be.
That’s probably why Obama still wants Morsi brought back. The last thing America wants is a former vassal showing independence.
The only end game I see from Obama’s policies and behavior is to Isolate Israel and squeeze us from every direction. It’s hard to see how Iran fits in except that they are useful for creating a regional Bogeyman allowing America a degree of influence and ready cash paying customers for America military Industrial complex output.
Last year Obama sold them upwards of a 150 billion dollars in weapons. Were it not for the threat of Iran how much would have been sold? The downsizing of the American military raises doubt of American ability to carry out successfully some missions. Reducing a carrier group limits that capability as she can’t bring American naval air power with the same punch and results as they could even a year ago.
America has or is losing her superpower status and the vacuum seems to be filling it with regional alliances or potential regional alliances hard to see yet the final alignments and who is against whom? Too many variables to call it was any accuracy.
Whahahahahahah! Suckers or willing dupes.
NOT A SINGLE home will be built. And then the willing dunces will “protest”…
The whole thing is a trap! (Hebrew)
“Conclusion is you are trying to sell old and worn damaged goods that no-one wants.
I agree, Yamit.
Quigley, no-one is interested in your custard-coloured shite. Go rub salt. You have the IQ of a snowball.
bernard ross Said:
cause you didn’t notice.
do bad the right cant organize this against “illegal jewish settlement”
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/07/31/landmark-class-action-suit-filed-in-australia-against-sydney-bds-advocating-prof/
honeybee Said:
so why am i dense?
@ bernard ross:
Yamit 82’s attentions have shifted gears sugar.
honeybee Said:
splain
yamit82 Said:
I think you are confusing whether a plan exists with whether it is or will be successful. I think the plan exists but i can only speculate on the success. as of today Ifeel Israel is ahead, that if it attacked Iran today it would be better in terms of blowback from the prozirs than before. tomorrow can be anything an depends on whether the obama/gcc plan works or fails.
yamit82 Said:
NO. I beleive that Obama is operating on behalf of the GCC re Iran and requests BB to enter negotiations for the period so that he can carry through his plan with GCC. He is asking Israel to hold off in return he is reducing blowback from provies and producing quiet from hamas and pa. as to whether Obama/gcc will be successful, who knows but i believe this is the plan. as to whether the negotiations are supposed to even result in anything who knows.
yamit82 Said:
we are not talking about what you and I see but what BB might be seeing. I think Iran is in the mix,all we know is there is a 9 month negotiation that ends the same time as the red line and hezbullah/syriaa are under attack while hamas is leashed. tomorrow anything can occur, as usual. yamit82 Said:
I am thinking that they will at least first try to destabilize Iran bu activating the groups I mentioned earlier.
yamit82 Said:
Yes Darlin,but dunderheards in uniforms, be still my heart.
yamit82 Said:
Say what???????/ Loved the video,laugh so hard. Tex said any port in a storm.
@ bernard ross:
Barnard sweetheart,your dense as wood!!!!!!!!!!!!!