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no to nuclear Iran, no to two-state solution, no to bi-national state
@ bernard ross:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xs05af_proud-and-prejudiced-couchtripper_shortfilms#.Udnf4WeBaTn
As my point-by-point reply to Ross awaits moderation on the other webpage, I note their exchange of thoughts that is totally unrelated to the topic-title [and that fails to refute prior discussion]; one wonders whether this befits the “culture” of this page [as determined by Ted Belman] or whether they should just pick-up the ‘phone and exchange notes privately [perhaps founding their own web-site to accommodate their musings].
yamit82 Said:
this 2nd article was writ in 2007 but her conclusion is still appropo.
@ bernard ross:
Put this item together and a picture is emerging:
CUFI’s Robert Stearns warns of Evangelical shift to the Left
Stearns, a regional director of CUFI and founder of Eagles’Wings Ministries, did appear at last week’s conference. Jewish Israel offers the following synopsis and commentary on some of the major points covered in his remarks as a panelist in the forum, “The Future of U.S. –Israel Relations”:
“….And then he dropped the bomb…”
He cautioned that at this point in time “the evangelical movement is in a place of shifting”. He spoke about “the emergence of a new evangelical left”, “the new progressive evangelicals”, and that they have “a very different view of Israel. He said it was vital to be aware of these forces which are ostensibly operating under “an evangelical umbrella”.
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As a result of an exchange on the sister website…
https://www.israpundit.org/archives/56066/comment-page-8#comment-282487
…Yamit has joined Ross in having capitulated to my exposure of their hypocrisy.
As I wrote [with specific reference to Devolin]: “Two down, one to go”!
To ensure maintenance of a complete record, I posted this response to the above-recessional on the other website:
https://www.israpundit.org/archives/56066
@ rsklaroff:
i posted you a message on the other site. I am not interested in pursuing discussion with you , you are just a time waster and add nothing to discussion. please do not bother to post in relation to my comments. I specifically posted this last sentence for you in my discussion with Yamit but apparently you cannot take the hint. It was a tangential discussion of interest to us, your presence in the conversation would be of no value.
bernard ross Said:
Here is the message I posted on the other page.
I do not wish to infect a real discussion with your childish debating games. i am unwilling to participate in discussion with someone who slanders without evidence and then tries to cover it up in a mountain of BS. you provide no added value to any discussion.
@ bernard ross:
Although pursuing this is, again, grossly off-topic, smearing Baptists via an unjustified/undocumented segue is disgusting [for you ARE “mistaken” when attempting to conjure a linkage between the Baptist community and the Black Muslims]:
And, even were this true, one cannot claim this constitutes conduct/attitudes of the alleged “MAJORITY.”
yamit82 Said:
I think this is ongoing for years and is prevalent in the US and europe; a part of the “stealth Jihad” approach. the inexplicable behavior of leadership is frightening: Is it incompetence, negligence, naivety,blackmail, extortion, payoffs. I would think all can be relied upon to play the part. the level of ignorance of the democratic populations is facilitated by a bought and controlled MSM. I think that by the time there is a sufficient awakening the opposition will be too small and incapable. all bought and paid for by western energy purchases.
BTW, I would not be surprised by the baptists facilitation of ignorance regarding stealth jihad in the US. I may be mistaken but I believe that a large portion of black churches are baptist. I also believe that the influence of the black muslim movement since the 1960’s affected other segments of the US black community which may have resulted in the community being more receptive to islamic influence. IMHO the arab oil money recognized a vehicle through the black muslims and the black community years ago. Interesting is the story of the help BHO received from a US black muslim and advisor to a saudi prince in helping BHO into harvard. The advisor contacted Percy sutton to enlist his help.
There are some concepts which should be considered re BHO, muslim influence and population control. 1- it is known that a population can be controlled with a focused cadre of less than 10% of the population(e.g.USSR communist party); 2- A black president commands unquestioning loyalty from a large percentage of the US black population which also forms a critical percentage of the US population. therefore, in times of conflict(financial or otherwise, there is a loyal base of popular support. US blacks will give a black president more leeway even wrt their own issues. 3-Islam has demonstrated itself to be a highly effective tool for population control, 4- Saudi(GCC) money highly influences every important US institutional infrastructure(e.g. govt, education,politics). 5- the islamic takeover of many leftist institutions or a collaboration fostered by superior interests(similar to west using jihadis in syria in collaboration with GCC). These are thoughts of interest and discussion to me as opposed to matters of debate.
@ bernard ross:
So-sadly, you stray from the vital message from Ted that Pamela/Robert be supported unconditionally [and not diluted by your collective-racism]; if professing this goal constitutes “whining” on your part, I plead guilty.
rsklaroff Said:
sorry the “straying” disappoints you but we are not robotic parrot clones.
rsklaroff Said:
provide the quotes for your charges of racism. Your whines are inadmissible and insuffient as evidence.
@ bernard ross:
Well, we’re finally @-bottom, whereby [in an effort parallel to that of BHO when he tries to silence FNC] I’m commanded to “shut your mouth” when you are unable to handle being reminded of your fatal-flaws…so sad.
As I just typed on the parallel-page [referencing the three-of-you]: “And, the more you commit the double-error of straying from Ted Belman’s message AND failing to oppose obviously-racist [and grossly-undocumented “fact”-opinions], the more you fail the reader…and yourselves.”
rsklaroff Said:
multiple personalities are not an excuse for libel. Cite the evidence or shut your mouth.
@ bernard ross:
Think this could have serious ripples going forward.
@ bernard ross:
I have functioned as a truth-squad, not to squelch communication; indeed, basing argument on facts would tend to facilitate productive exchange.
The rest of your two most recent postings are repetitive attacks and merely reflect your intellectual/emotional bankruptcy.
rsklaroff Said:
you drew nothing asunder. if you wish to be taken seriously here you will have to demonstrate some knowledge and experience. the debating game is cute and entertaining but substance and content is what goes on here. it is not enough to claim you won an argument you need to bring something of value to the discussions. Slander is not considered to be a reasoned argument.
rsklaroff Said:
You may condemn it but your condemnation is meaningless. You disingenuously quoted out of context. Yamit asserted a majority and I asserted a statistically significant figure citing ADL to that effect. Further, I stated that it was not important to me whether the anti semitism was a majority or statistically significant but that what was important that it was a high amount. By bringing false charges of racism you stifled discussion on the important issue of high black anti semitism and turned it into a petty debating game. ADL , I and Yamit consider it important to discuss. You can debate percentages with yourself. you will note that I did not argue with Yamit as to whether my quoted percentages were right and his was wrong because it was not whatt was important. Black anti semitism is important.rsklaroff Said:
Dummy, nobody gives a crap.
rsklaroff Said:
you are a liar. You claimed racism and deceit to stifle the discussion. Tangential discussions are not a distraction on this site. we had already aired our views on phillips/geller and we are capable of handling more than one discussion at a time. That is because we are not focused on scoring debating points but on expanding our knowledge through interaction. it is obvious that you are not experienced or knowledgeable in any of the discussions because you bring no demonstration of experience or content to the discussions. basically, you have nothing to offer anyone here. You are focused on the game of debate. we have all been around too long for such childish endeavors. You do not value observations based on experience but most here do. You have not demonstrated a minimum knowledge ore experiential base in the subjects discussed here. rsklaroff Said:
blah blah blah, nobody cares. The fact that you have accompanied your opinion on the geller issue with a mountain of obscure wording still makes it no more than an opinion. There is nothing to demonstrate that your opinion has any value. The only thing of value in an opinion is good judgement. i belive you have cast yourself into the role of a spoiler of discussion because you have little knowledge or experience of the subject matters and therefore wish to coast along with only a knowledge of argumentation structures. content and substance is required if you wish to be taken seriously here.
@ bernard ross:
No “reasoned argument” is needed when the factual underpinnings of the assertion have been drawn asunder.
@ bernard ross:
It would be generally understood that blogging should be based on facts; therefore, a dismissive attitude thereto…
…is to be condemned again, as it was in the past, because the assertion had been made that a MAJORITY were anti-Semitic.
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I do not doubt the seriousness of the concern, but it should also be recalled that Ross claimed it was predominant over Hispanics [which I also disproved, with a hyperlink]; thus, the two-of-you demonstrate a striking lack of credibility.
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The British are currently problematic, and they are predicating their posture on Islamist tenets; these behaviors are mutually exclusive of what may/may-not have transpired in the past, but they are all-the-more vital because of their import regarding the intrusion of such attitudes into Western Civilization.
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I also must call-out a non-sequitur regarding any effort to correlate concerns with Black anti-Semitism and how Pamela/Robert are being mistreated…
…because I do not thwart discussion of anything that is relevant to the gravamen of this site [Melanie], whereas I attempt to avoid dealing with obvious-distractions [particularly when racism and deceit have been exposed].
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Those who are new to this back-and-forth should know that I have constantly attempted to extract from these-two a simple-declarative-sentence that would reflect 100% support for Pamela/Robert [without qualifying/marring such a statement by suggesting their interactions with the EDL have been in any way problematic].
rsklaroff Said:
you have still presented no reasoned argument to support your assertion that Yamits statement is false and yours is true. You simply declare yourself to be right.
rsklaroff Said:
are you still accusing posters of racism. His quoting of polls cannot make him a racist. It is not important whether black anti semitism is 35% or 51% because it is a serious problem for Jews. I am conserned that you have used charges of racism in order to thwart legitimate discussion of the significantly high rate of anti semitism among US blacks as published by ADL throughout the years since 1964. This is the same tactic used by those who seek to silence Geller, only their charge for that is islamaphobia. you attempted the same tactic regarding discussion of Britains treachery by dismissing it as unimportant and in the past. These are important issues for Jews because many Jews are ignorant of the facts. I, and ADL, do not doubt that US black anti semitism is a problem and I beleive it should be discussed among Jews. ADL has thought it serious enough to be drawing attention to it over decades. The same with Britain and other european countries as it is not just in the past becuase they are swindling and libeleing the Jews at this very moment while supporting and financing those who directly seek to exterminate the Jews. rsklaroff Said:
I cannot decipher this sentence can anyone translate it for me?
rsklaroff Said:
Britain and the EU are today swinlding and libeling the jewish people and supporting those who openly desire to extermnate the Jews. It is not something that should be dismissed, it is much more important than the phillips geller argument because it is affecting Israel and the Jews negatively today.
rsklaroff Said:
the prime problem is that the british dont even know they have a problem. You stating that their problem is islamists will bring charges of islamophobia and get you banned from britain. the islamists didnt ban geller, the british did. This is what Yamit is clearly showing and he is correct in my opinion. the smae problem esxists in america to a lesser degrtee.
rsklaroff Said:
This is just another ridiculous slander. No one cares what you think, if you doubt me you can ask them yourself.
I have documented on the prior-site [https://www.israpundit.org/archives/56066] the conclusion that Yamit is a racist.
I challenged his claim that the majority of Blacks are anti-Semites.
After evasions [amalgamating the Ali Shuffle and the Jackson Moonwalk], he wrote [without deleting his latest pejorative]:
This was my response:
I really would not place any weight on anything this racist composes–anywhere–in light of what I have unmasked.
{It is also noted that Ross has yet to attempt to come to his aid…as he did last time…perhaps because the result was for his prejudices to have been revealed, as well.}
@ yamit82:
The fact that you felt compelled to inquire as to whether or not I’m “BLACK” illustrates the extreme to which you will go…to avoid defending your inanities [here and on the prior blogging-page]; what difference would my race make?
I cut/paste to allow the reader to note the precise disconnect between your [false/racist] accusations and your flailing response to having been called-out [by, inter alia, directing ad-hominem attacks upon yours-truly].
rsklaroff Said:
Again you are cutting and pasting past comments of yours which have long been debunked and you have ignored all subsequent and updated references as if I had not made them. Mental block against truth? “The truth shall set you free.” Bet you know that source.
BTW are you by any chance BLACK?
References in the plural. ThanK You.
If they are in error it’s the polls not mine.
@ Yamit & Ross
Any/all of your potential interpretations of my comment approximate the “message” herein; we are all on the same page for the same reasons…leaving you-two out-on-a-limb.
Abuse, sarcasm, name-calling won’t alter that fact…regardless of whether you type it here or elsewhere, regardless of the length of your self-satisfied/self-referential entries, and regardless of your overt evasions..
What must be unambiguously accepted is that [as per my initial entry] “the problem IS Militant-Islam, Islamists, whatever.”
Regardless of what the British did/didn’t do in the past, it is necessary to support Pamela/Robert against Dhimini in all its manifestations.
These are important issues and they challenge basic assumptions of Western Civilization, and they shouldn’t be trivialized by tangential, racist claims [and, BTW, don’t forget your incorrect contrast with the Hispanic community and your having cited data that are two decades remote in a world with documented-dynamism, per your own ADL-references].
@ rsklaroff:
You discount and ignore the principle of cause and effect and challenge and response. Chicken or the egg etc. Stupid!!!
rsklaroff Said:
Apparently you have run here to hide from your prior ludicrous posts. To which tangential drum do you refer? try to be as “precise” as your boasts of precision.
rsklaroff Said:
despite your employment of the Goebbels principle whereby repetition of a lie becomes the truth: the only evader here is you; you have left many unanswered questions buried in a pile of verbal garbage on the other forum to which you refer, do you intend the same here? Yamit has presented a well-reasoned argument for his opinion which implies that militant Islam is a symptom and that the behavior of the british people is the cause. Pat Condell is indeed correct and identifies alternative rational behaviors but he does not go into the causes. Perhaps it is that you have a surgeons perspective whereby the problem and solution tend to be focused on the part displaying the symptom and causes are not within your purview. However, Myopia is no excuse for slander or ignorance.
rsklaroff Said:
can you give us a reasoned argument to support your attempt to refute yamits reasoned opinion, or do you rely solely upon “papal infallibility”. If you return again to infer slanderous assertions against posters,e.g “…conjured to distract the reader” you should expect another round of ridicule. Make reasoned arguments without slander and you may experience the “useful colloquy” which you purport to be seeking. The pretentiousness may be bearable if you can make a reasoned argument.
rsklaroff Said:
please explain how the “potency” of Pam/robert “corroborates” your “consistent efforts”? Or are you trying to say that their (P&R)”potency” “corroborates” your “opposition” to the adopting of Melanie’s “negative posture”. Or, are you trying to say that he agrees with you: that melanies posture is negative?
Phew, language in the wrong hands can be confusing. Even if he agrees with your conclusion does he “corroborate” your basis for your conclusion or are you just arriving at the same endpoint for different reasons?
Or perhaps you are simply crowing that you and Pat Condell appear to agree wrt melanie?
Yamit has been beating this tangential drum for two days now, elsewhere on this website…
https://www.israpundit.org/archives/56066
…while he and his pals have [through 336 entries] evaded accepting the explicit message promulgated herein.
Specifically, the problem IS Militant-Islam, Islamists, whatever; it is NOT whatever British history [including Churchill] is conjured to distract the reader.
The entire video must be absorbed, for he emphasizes the potency of Pamela/Robert @ the end, thereby corroborating my consistent efforts to oppose adopting the negative posture of Melanie Phillips [who otherwise is wonderful].
Well said except his facts do not match his basic premise. Islam in Britain and Europe is a self inflicted wound, and whether it will turn out to be a mortal wound has yet to be finalized.
The problem is not Islam. The problem are those English elites and politicians who brought or allowed them into England, coddled them, supported most through the dole and then began to appease them when they misbehaved and thus protected from on high, allowed them in the name of some non British concept of multiculturalism to threaten violence if their Muslim particularist demands were not met which compelled the cowardly British to appease them further by erecting a political, judicial and social wall around this community as virtually untouchables. All this at the expense of centuries old British norms values and traditions so that after 2 decades of this policy all of Britain are now held hostage to their own cowardice,appeasement, corruption and by now a near total valueless society heavily dependent of the government for protection ( From their Muslim pets) and sustenance. The Muslim community in Britain are the largest recipient of the government dole.
Britain has become in near classical form Orwell’s prescient 1984. Yes the Muslims may be viewed as the problem by Pat Conedell but the real problems are the non Muslim British themselves. You don’t consciously inject oneself with AIDS refuse to take remedial treatment and then blame the disease for the negative results. So the British by and large ignore the diagnosis pretend as long as they can that things are fine [so far] and under control. They resent and attack those few who see what’s happening thereby avoiding a confrontation with the truth.
The truth may not always win but it’s always the truth.