It’s all bullshit. 1) there is a reference for negotiations and its Res 242, 2) the occupation is not illegal in that the SC by virtue of 242 authorized Israel to remain in occupation until they had recognized borders. 3) Res 194 has no legal authority and it did not support the right of return. Ted Belman
Erekat says anyone who supports two-state solution should back Palestinian efforts at UN, says would consider dismantling the PA if statehood bid is thwarted; PLO official says UN bid inspired by Obama speech.
The Palestinian Authority on Saturday warned the US against using the veto to thwart its plan to seek membership for a Palestinian state in the UN next week.
The PA said that a US veto would “destroy” the two-state solution.
The warning came hours after PA President Mahmoud Abbas announced in a speech in Ramallah that he would ask the UN Security Council to accept membership of a Palestinian state.
Chief PLO negotiator Saeb Erekat warned that the US Administration’s use of a veto to foil the PA move would destroy the two-state solution.
“Anyone who supports the two-state solution should back the Palestinian effort [at the UN],” he said.
Erekat hinted that the Palestinians would consider dismantling the PA if the US thwarted their statehood bid.
Zakariya al-Agha, the PLO’s top representative in the Gaza Strip, also warned against the consequences of a US veto at the UN next week.
He said that the PA was going to the UN because US President Barack Obama, in his last speech to the UN in 2010, talked about the establishment of an independent and sovereign Palestinian state within one year.
“We are going to the Security Council,” Abbas declared. “As soon as I finish delivering my speech [at the UN on September 23], I will submit the application [for membership] to the UN Secretary-General, who will relay it to the president of the Security Council.”
Abbas said that his “extensive and sincere” efforts to reach an agreement that wound end occupation and lead to an independent Palestinian state through negotiations have hit a dead end.
He blamed Israeli “intransigence” for failure of the peace process.
“We seek to gain membership in the UN on the basis of the 1967 borders so that we could afterward return to the negotiations on a clear and internationally recognized reference.”
Abbas said that the statehood bid was only part of the Palestinian strategy that is designed to “put the Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital back on the geography map.”
He also cautioned Palestinians against resorting to violence, stressing that support for the statehood bid should be “peaceful.” Otherwise, he said, this could “harm us and sabotage our efforts.”
Abbas made it clear that the statehood bid would not affect the status of the PLO as “the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinians.” He said that the PLO would continue to exist and function not only until a solution is reached, but until it’s implemented.
The PLO, he pointed out, would also continue to work toward solving the issue of the Palestinian refugees.
Abbas said that he was ware that the Palestinian would face major obstacles and difficulties after the statehood bid at the UN. But, he said, “we must remain determined to achieve our goal.”
He said that even if the PA succeeds at the UN, “we must know that occupation would not end the day after the recognition of the state. But we would have gained recognition of the world that our state is occupied and that our lands are no longer disputed territories as the Israeli government claims.”
Calling on Palestinians to take to the streets on September 21 to support the statehood bid, al-Agha emphasized the importance of avoiding violence “so as not to give the Israeli government any excuses to ignite the region.”
The PLO official said that the statehood bid would not affect the Palestinian refugees’ “right of return” to their original homes inside Israel.
“The Palestinian state is being established in connection with UN resolutions 242 and 338,” he pointed out. “But the right of return for the refugees is guaranteed through UN resolution 194.”
Whaddyatalkinabout? “End of two-state solution”????????
No, this is the BEGINNING of the two-state solution.
And, the two states are:
Israel
Jordan
Voila! No more PA! Sounds pretty good to me.
No, Michael, those matters are THEIR problem.
Our problem is, among other things, that “[u]nder international law, sovereignty permits government a latitude forbidden to non-state entities/organizations. For example, a state can invite foreign soldiers (and the toys they like to play with) onto its own soil, to make it easier to get up close and personal with its new, or old, neighbors — should the occasion just happen to present itself. Know what I mean? Not a damned thing the neighbors can do about such cordiality (or its acceptance by the invitee) from the standpoint of law. . . . MORE“
THE TIME HAS COME…A FACTS A FACT…IT BELONGS TO THEM (THE JEWISH ISRAELIS) SO GIVE IT BACK! A nice tune I just listened.
Hurray, Shmuel HaLevi!
Israel has for over a hundred years been dealing with mental defectives and the deranged. The savage attack on the Israeli embassy in Cairo is but the latest testament to this obvious reality. It does not matter how many “well-meaning” gentiles AND Jews wish to obscure this fact. Force Israel into surrender and then blame them for the ensuing catastrphe, that is their “peace plan.”
Oh, Israel, do not fall victim to multiculturalists’ lethal visions.
Resist, resist, resist!
Netanyahu is unlikely to slam down his shoe, but at field level things could get very close to that level. The Ministry of the Interior has already notified the State Legal Consultant that it intends to activate State Emergency regulations. This was announced by the State Radio moments ago.
The fact remains that we are dealing with irrational elements which have proven that could carry out monstrous attacks.
They gave been appraised on that the responses would be very harsh
Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech to the U.N. this week is an excellent opportunity to shut down the Arab war machine in both the PA and Gaza.
It is a fact of history that never, in any war, at any time, has there ever been a successful negotiated peace. Peace comes with defeating the enemy and having them declare themselves losers as happened in WWII with both Germany and Japan. They were vanquished, humiliated and then rose to become valuable allies of the civilized world.
What I recommend is that the prime minister end his speech with the pronouncement: “Once I leave this podium, the first act of aggression, whether it be a knife attack or a rocket, will be seen as a declaration of war and will be met with not only force, but all the measures available to Israel to end this madness.
Electricity will be cut. There will be no more water or phone service available to those areas harbouring our enemies. We will adhere to the rules of law as they pertain to war. We will follow the Geneva convention and do whatever we can to protect the innocent. But we have learned from our adversary that to them, nothing is sacred. They think nothing of destroying synagogues, occupying churches and using mosques as battle centres even during their sacred holidays. If those are their rules, we will play by them, too. We will fight them no matter where they are.
Is it disproportionate? Only if you believe in moral equivalence; that good and evil are of equal value. We are in a battle for survival, they are in a battle with a singular objective, to wipe out Israel and the Jewish people. It’s not going to happen. With the help of the God of Abraham, we will not let it happen.
To quote FDR in other circumstances
” we have nothing to fear but fear itself” Are we fearful of
A Palestinian state with no tax revenue apparatus- no power stations- no ports- awash in cronyism- no one that pays income taxes- etc, etc , etc
Any aggregate desiring membership in the UN must first declare a state, formally and then apply for recognition. The UN is not Charteed to create states.
Please follow the process Israel followed in 1948-49.
The moment anything else takes place, that must call for our anexation of Y&S and dismantling the PA.
If the State of Israel fails to perform on that we are indeed doomed.
Yamit, all evangelicals are not bad. A little misguided perhaps, but not all bad. Alot of them out of the U.S. have already been at war with Islam for the past 10 years. They KNOW Israel belongs to the Jews and the timing coincides with their predictions. They WILL be there for Israel. I watch some Christian shows to stay on top of where their at. I only watch the ones that favour the Jews.
There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ nor ‘Palestinian people
http://mytorah.wordpress.com/2011/04/14/there-is-no-such-thing-as-palestine-nor-palestinian-people/
Nice try Dweller.
Calm down, Rover.
Excitement — positive OR negative — does us no service. It clouds calm perception, awareness & discernment…
The G-d of Israel IS training up people to get ready for war and be VICTORIOUS! G-d is on our side Yamit and THIS time G-d wont let man fail us again. G-d knows that we have endured enough! TOO MUCH in fact! I am fortunate enough to see it everyday and I would like you and EVERY Jew to see it too! We know we are going into battle again…we just dont know exactly when. But when we do, we will KNOW that G-d is with us and the world will see that too!
All the more reason to annex the heartland provinces immediately upon formal application for membership — which application will additionally signify the PA’s formal abrogation of the Oslo Accords, thereby releasing G.O.I. from its own erstwhile obligations under Oslo.
Passive Defense
by David Raziel
Commander in Chief of the Irgun from 1937-1941
“If the objective of the war is to break the will of the enemy; we clearly cannot be content with defensive action. Such a method of defense, which enables the enemy to attack as he sees fit and to retreat at will, to reorganize and to attack again – such defense is known as passive defense‚ and ends in defeat and ruin; he who does not wish to be defeated must attack.”
How do you see your hypothetical righteous gentiles helping to expose our enemies? Few if any are willing to die for our cause.
Cursed
by Yonatan Ratosh
Cursed who breaks with them bread,
Cursed who clasps the murderer’s hand,
Cursed who forgets the dead
Cursed who holds back the avenger’s hand.
On the way that rises to Zion
With murderers they share a sheep,
On the way that rises to Zion
Our brother’s blood cries from the deep.
Cursed all who share the peace meal
Cursed all who forgive them my blood.
The cut in my flesh will not heal
The L-rd of my vengeance is G-d!
The Song of the Biryonim
(Shir Biryonim)
by Ya’akov Cohen
We have arisen and returned mighty youths,
We have arisen and returned, We are Biryonim!
To redeem our land in war’s storm,
We demand our heritage with upraised hand.
In blood and fire Judea fell!
In blood and fire Judea will arise!
War for freedom, War for the land,
And if freedom dies, long live revenge!
If there is no justice in the land, the sword will judge
Even if we fall like sand, we’ll not give up our rights.
In blood and fire Judea fell!
In blood and fire Judea will arise!
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The best defense is a good offence. The Jewish people must continue to expose the enemy with help from the righteous gentiles. One isnt prepared to live for their cause unless they are MORE willing to die. ONLY then can GOOD CONQUER evil.
Yes. A 3 state solution is a far more accurate description. Gaza, the “west bank” and Jordan and Israel sandwiched in between. Israel has been conceding to the enemies false narrative for decades and this has undermined Israel’s legitimacy in the court of public opinion. Israel continues to act like a guest in their own home.
What two-state solution? All I’ve ever seen is, even if one left reality and assumed some good faith in the palestinian position, a three-state solution. Even now, the PA wants to be declared the official “government” over territory that it doesn’t control or even have any hope of controlling in the near future.
Every time someone talks about a “two-state solution” they need to be confronted with the fact that they are really talking about creating two new palestinian states (in addition to the existing Jordan). Once the “three-state solution” becomes clear enough as what they are really driving for, then I think much of the appeal it carries with the idiot American left will disappear. After all, they can whip up some phony justification for the “two-state” idea only by creating a new “people” in the palis, but when it comes down to this new peoples being somehow entitled to two new states (in addition to the existing one) the argument in America over it will have to be seriously altered.
It’s infuriating that this ridiculous “two-state” fantasy has been allowed to go on for so many years, already. Then again, Israel let the Oslo fantasy, the Road Map fantasy, and all the others go on and on, too. Israel still hasn’t figured out that membership in the UN is nothing but destructive to the state … Someday. Maybe.
The PA said that a US veto would “destroy” the two-state solution.
Even though he meant it as a threat I hope it becomes a promise kept.
We don’t need or want Piece treaties with any so-called Palestinian Arabs.
Abbas doesn’t even have the backing of HAMAS on this. He’s trying to get Obama to pull a rabbit out of the hat for him. If the US doesn’t veto the statehood application, Abbas will gain face and legitimacy in the international community and — what is probably far more important to him — over HAMAS. Abbas knows that if the UNSC ACCEPTS their application, the “two state solution” will be dead in the water. With his latest remarks, Abbas is saying that if the Security Council REJECTS the application, the two-state solution will still be dead in the water. Either way, Abbas is paving the way for continued war with Israel.
The interesting thing in all this, to me, is Abbas’s threat to dismantle the PA. I read that as saying that if Abbas can’t gain face at the UN, he realizes that his days are severely numbered in Ramallah. His best option, then, would be to rob what he could from the PLO and flee the country. Abbas can see the handwriting on the wall — just as Arafat could when he fled Lebanon for Tunisia. I hope this time around, the Israelis have the good sense not to let the terrorists back into the heart of Israel.