Our World: Kerry forces Israel’s moment of decision

In 2009 I wrote Obama intends to impose a solution. Then in Aug 2013, I wrote How Obama boxed Netanyahu in to an imposed solution and Obama to impose a solution if necessary . They are a little redundant but each offers new evidence. Glick says its about to happen. Ted Belman

By CAROLINE B. GLICK, JPOST

Facing the Palestinians’ continued defiance of the very notion of peaceful coexistence with Israel, Kerry is planning to present his own peace deal next month and try to force Israel to accept it. Kerry and Netanyahu in Jerusalem,

There was a ghoulish creepiness to US Secretary of State John Kerry’s visit to Israel last week. Here we were, beset by the greatest winter storm in a hundred years. All roads to Jerusalem were sealed off. Tens of thousands of Jerusalemites and residents of surrounding areas were locked down in their houses, without power, heat, telephone service or water.

And all of the sudden, out of nowhere, Kerry appeared. As Hamas-ruled Gazans begged the supposedly hated IDF to come and save them from the floods, and as Israel took over rescue operations for stranded Palestinians living under the rule of the PLO ’s gangster kleptocracy in Judea and Samaria, here was Kerry, telling us that we’d better accept the deal he plans to present us next month, or face the wrath of the US and Europe, and suffer another Palestinian terror war.

What is going on? Why can’t Kerry leave Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and the rest of the country alone, even for a week, in the middle of a blizzard of biblical proportions? According to leaks from the now five month old negotiations, after 20 rounds of talks, the Palestinians have not budged from the positions they have held to for the past 50 years. They do not accept Israel’s right to exist. They do not recognize the existence of the Jewish people. They do not believe that the Jews have the right to freedom or self-determination. They insist on taking control of our 3,000 year old capital. They demand that we surrender our ability to defend ourselves from foreign aggression and Palestinian attacks and infiltration from the east.

There is nothing new here, of course, This was the case 13 years ago at the Camp David summit. This was the case during the Annapolis summit in 2007 and 2008.

This was the case when PLO chief Mahmoud Abbas rejected then prime minister Ehud Olmert’s offer of peace in 2008.

Facing the Palestinians’ continued defiance of the very notion of peaceful coexistence with Israel, Kerry is planning to present his own peace deal next month and try to force Israel to accept it. Although the text of Kerry’s deal has not yet been revealed, we know exactly what it will involve just by listening to what he has already told us.

In his speech at the Saban Forum on December 7, Kerry said, “For many years the broad contours of an eventual solution have been absolutely clear, and they were crystallized for the world in December of 2000 when president Clinton laid down the parameters for a final-status agreement. They were reaffirmed through the Annapolis process during the Bush administration.”

The Clinton parameters involved a near complete American embrace of the PLO ’s maximalist demands. The Annapolis guidelines went even further in the PLO ’s direction.

And now, Kerry intends to put forth his own parameters that will be even more forthcoming to the PLO than either the Clinton or Bush administrations were.

Like the Clinton and Bush plans, the Kerry parameters will involve Israeli surrender of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount to the PLO , which rejects the historical fact that two Jewish temples were built at the site that was and remains the cradle of Jewish civilization and history and holiest site to Judaism.

They will involve the mass expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Jews from their homes in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria to make room for an anti-Semitic, Jew-free state that maintains its devotion to the destruction of the rump Jewish state.

Kerry’s framework deal will involve the mass immigration of hundreds of thousands of foreign-born Arabs, who have been living in al-Qaida-, Hamas- and PLO -controlled UN-run “refugee camps,” for the past four generations.

Kerry’s plan will require Israeli society to destroy its cohesion through the dismemberment and destruction of hundreds of Jewish communities. As occurred before the Gaza withdrawal, it will require the government to oversee the demonization and criminalization of well over three million law abiding, patriotic Israeli citizens who oppose the mass expulsions.

Kerry’s parameters will require Israel to surrender its ability to defend itself against foreign aggression and Palestinian attacks. As for the Palestinians, implementation of the Kerry parameters will guarantee that all moderate elements in their society, including among Israeli Arabs, will be overwhelmed and destroyed. The PLO state in Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem, like the Hamas state in Gaza, will be breeding grounds for global jihadists. They will actively incite, organize and oversee an armed insurrection of the Arabs of the Galilee and the Negev, meting out punishment for all dissenters.

As for the US forces that Kerry proposes deploying to the Jew-free PLO state, they will be targeted by the Palestinians, just as the Palestinians and the Syrians attacked US Marines in Beirut 30 years ago. And like the Marines in Beirut, they will be withdrawn in humiliation and defeat, but the lesson – that the Arabs perceive the Americans and Jews as enemies of equal weight – will not be learned. And, at any rate, unable to defend itself after agreeing to Kerry’s parameters, Israel will cease to be a strategic ally and be transformed into a strategic basket case. Its destruction will interest Kerry and his supporters just as much as the destruction of South Vietnam interested them in 1975.

Aside from being a more anti-Israel version of the Clinton parameters and Bush’s framework, Kerry’s parameters, and framework deal, have one other unique and particularly dangerous feature. Until now, US peace plans followed former prime minister Ehud Barak’s dictum that “nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to.”

That is, no hypothetical Israeli concession on Jerusalem, for instance, will be binding unless a final deal is concluded.

Kerry indicated at the Saban Forum that his goal is to coerce Israel into making irrevocable concessions up front, before the Palestinians agree to peaceful coexistence.

As he put it, “A basic framework will have to address all the core issues – borders, security, refugees, Jerusalem, mutual recognition, and an end of claims. And it will have to establish agreed guidelines for subsequent negotiations that will fill out the details in a full-on peace treaty.”

For the past five and a half years, Netanyahu’s strategy for dealing with US President Barack Obama has been to try to survive him. He’s withstood Obama’s constant demand for Israeli national suicide for “peace” by giving the bare minimum of revocable concession possible to keep Obama at bay.

But with Kerry poised to shove his lethal parameters down our throats, parameters that will require Israel to irrevocably accept terms of peace that will destroy the country, it is obvious that Netanyahu needs to adopt a longer-term strategy. Our goal cannot be limited to waiting out Obama. Our goal must be to extricate Israel from the two-state trap.

Yes, Israel will pay a huge price for jumping ship. For 20 years, non-leftist Israeli leaders have been trying to go along to get along with the Left, and the Americans and their ever-escalating demands. But Kerry’s obsessive harping, and his insistence on pushing forward with his disastrous framework deal forces our hand.

Either we pay a huge price now, or accept our destruction within five to 15 years.

caroline@carolineglick.com

December 17, 2013 | 56 Comments »

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  1. bernard ross Said:

    It’s About the Settlements, Stupid by David P. Goldman–PJ Media

    http://www.meforum.org/3698/settlements

    As a religious Jew, I believe that Jews are obligated to settle our historic homeland, but I also believe that the preservation of Jewish life takes precedence. If it were possible to achieve a durable and robust peace by abandoning the settlements I would support it.

    Goldman is brilliant but here I must disagree. There is a single exception to the principle that preservation of Life is the overriding Jewish obligation. In fact it is the preservation of the Land that is the overriding Jewish obligation and it is CODIFIED as “Milchemet Mitzvah” (War of obligation) where preservation of life is pushed aside as is every other Mitzvah or commandment in order to protect and preserve the land of Israel under Jewish sovereignty and control. In the over 1400 hundred year of Jewish history on the Land there is not a single instance where Jews gave up as much as an inch of the Land of Israel voluntarily without a fight to the death. Till Begin and all those who followed. Without the Land of Israel there is no Judaism, without Judaism there is no Jews so The Land is the central component of our 3 legged stool we call “Judaism. “Torah, Land of Israel, and the Jewish people”

    The Mishnah (Sotah 8:7) states: “…In a Milchemet Mitzvah, all go out [to war], even a groom from his room and a bride from her wedding canopy.” While many explain that women are exempt from combat, they are to assist by “providing food and fixing roads” (Tiferet Yisrael, ad loc.), for example. By including bride and groom, based on Yoel 2:16, the Mishnah emphasizes that all are required to participate in the war effort, without exception. Rambam defines a Milchemet Mitzvah as, “war [against] the Seven Nations, war [against] Amalek, and assisting Israel from the hand of the enemy who comes up against them” (Hil. Melachim 5:1). This last definition informs our discussion. With a nuclear threat from Iran looming, enemy States on our borders, and the constant threat of terrorism within, anyone who is intellectually honest must admit that we find ourselves today embroiled in a Milchemet Mitzvah, a national security situation that demands the help of all

  2. Bear Klein Said:

    CA is a missionary!

    Then he should be fired for the cruddy job he’s doing. Actually, they’re all similarly predictable once you know their finite set of scripture corrupting tricks. They should have listened to Marcion.

  3. @ bernard ross:
    Israel will stay out of Gaza until attacked next time. Then anything is fair game.

    If by a miracle they stay quiet Israel will not go back to Gaza.

    Jews owned land in Northern Gaza since the 1930s which should never have been abandoned. The whole retreat was a miserable idea.

    Putting bad guys in Gaza gives us some measure of control because if they act up they are a drone flight away from meeting their 72 Virgins.

  4. Bear Klein Said:

    However you can not resist trying to make inroads with your religious beliefs

    Curious Amercan appears to be a very successful troll. He knows exactly how to get all of us fool Jews confounded into discussing his ridiculous posts every time. He knows how to press Jew buttons. He hijacks the forums into discussing his agenda which always degrades Jews and focuses on the Pals. I try to expose his agenda but even then he has won because the Jews are chasing a ball of string like a pussy cat, including me. The arguments are secondary smokescreens as they are always rehashes of old discussions he has already made and he ignores any detracting evidence because his goal is not to make an argument but to tie up jews. I think he gets a thrill being on the front line of the war against the Jews, in his small way, getting the Jews to play his mental game .

  5. Bear Klein Said:

    I would be more inclined to send them to Gaza or a third party country that is interested in receiving them.

    No country is interested in receiving them. However, aside from Gaza, which is already a defacto pal state with clear borders, there is lebanon and syria which are in a state of hostilities, have no relations and therefore no permission is needed. Furthermore, as they about Israel and as Israel is easily capable of seizing territory in either: hostile may be deposited across any of the 3 hostile borders without permission and Israel withdraws leaving them in the laps of other hostiles. There is the added advantage that if enough are sent then they will further destabilize the receiving entity. My own view is that if Israel has decided to relinquish gaza then it makes an ideal location as it is already a defacto pal state on the mandate land that is governed by pals. I think they would have to keep any pals sent and not treat them as refugees.

  6. @ CuriousAmerican:

    This does not have to do with any “improper” translation, but it relates to prophecies which will occur in the future, and certainly not in the past.

    If you are honest enough, you would not simply pick some words which you and yours like most and apply them out of context.

    You should read the next verses: “In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem“. You should also read the next verse: “And the land shall mourn, every family apart.”

    Question: When did happen – according to your narrative – in human history and record that all the land and every family mourned?

    As a matter of fact, the prophecy relates to Mashiah, descendant of Joseph lineage, who will be a hero and will fight during the foretold war of Gog king of Magog.

    Mashiah, great-grandson of Joseph, will be slain in the war. Since he will be of immense standing among the Jewish People, the mourning for him will be great and widespread and all the Nation of Israel will be in a state of great mourning.

    Importantly, this mourning shall play a strong catalyst role and a vehicle that will lead Jewish People to repent and return to observe Torah.

    Then the era of redemption will come and Mashiah, descendant of David lineage, will come. Very soon at our times.

  7. @ ArnoldHarris:
    Jordan does not act as an enemy and does help us secure the border. So if this stayed the same I would not send terror suspects or security problems there. No need to antagonize the King and unsettle Jordan with more problem people. So I would not suggest this course of action.

    I would be more inclined to send them to Gaza or a third party country that is interested in receiving them.

  8. SHmuel HaLevi 2 Said:

    much as the cult in Waco did not have any place in the USA

    The Waco cult were Seventh Day Adventist, a very American religion. They were not muderous until provocted by the ATF. They were badly maligned by Janet Reno.

  9. @ CuriousAmerican:
    Kindly believe what you like about religion. No one wants to convert you to the belief of the Jews. However you can not resist trying to make inroads with your religious beliefs here. For that I basically say you are an uncontrolled ……..
    (fill in your favorite vile word).

  10. CuriousAmerican Said:

    I know you have an official Tovia Singer, rabbinically-approved answer for that verse.

    It has nothing to do with rabbinic approval. It’s something called logic and being honest in reading what is actually written – in context.

    Rabbi Tovia Singer on Zecharia 12:10

    You are the ignorant bastard child of 1700 years of lies. No surprise there. One bastard begetting generations of them.

  11. Islamic murdering hordes have no place in Eretz Israel, much as the cult in Waco did not have any place in the USA. Learning from the USA, I would say that, transitionally, we could also set up “Islamic Reservations”… what say you CA? Yet. Those that the US has forced into Camps after massacring them, are the Native Americans.
    Islamics in turn, are foreign inserts in Eretz Israel. And all of them are bent on destroying the Jewish people and our Heritage. By all Laws, we could simply round the vermin up and herd them across the borders on their way back to where they came from.
    That would be the best one would offer that ghastly folk.
    We have of course no obligation to offer voting facilities to mortal enemies. They can vote by proxy in their countries of origin.
    Ultimately and after our people come to their senses and elect correctly our leaders, I foresee an all out final war, winner takes all.

  12. It’s About the Settlements, Stupid by David P. Goldman–PJ Media
    “The Irish no longer care. They are neither Catholic nor nationalistic. The IRA thugs of 1970 came from four-child families. Today the Irish have fewer than two children on average. Let the matter simmer for another twenty years, and the Palestinian Arabs will look more like the Irish of 1996 than the Irish of 1970. At that point, the “narrative” will change, because no one will care about the old “narrative.
    ……………..
    “Ms. Glick is Israeli, and has a right to urge a particular course of action for her country. I am American, and direct my comments instead to my liberal Jewish co-religionists: Your support for the Obama administration and your betrayal of Jews on our front line in Judea and Samaria is a wicked and disgraceful thing. We must summon all of our strength to prevent this administration from punishing Israel for refusing to commit suicide.”

    http://www.meforum.org/3698/settlements

  13. CuriousAmerican Said:

    Why what are you expecting to settle the argument? the 2nd coming???? after 2000 years of no show what makes you think the next 10-20 years will be any different???

    Yeah!

    You are back in the land … so things are ramping up?

    I think I understand your christian excitement and hoped for expectations.

    BUT

    if you really believe such nonsense then why should we Jews spend so much money paying the Arabs to leave?

    If you are correct wouldn’t that mean that such payments would in-fact be of no consequence and be mute in light of what the consequences would be were your eschatological belief be actualized in the near future? 😉

  14. @ yamit82:
    So Sorry, to prove you wrong again 🙁

    In twenty years, we shall see. At that time, I dare you to call Him, Yeshu. Double dare you.

    In the meantime, I do not want want to get Ted upset.

  15. Why what are you expecting to settle the argument? the 2nd coming???? after 2000 years of no show what makes you think the next 10-20 years will be any different???

    Yeah!

    You are back in the land … so things are ramping up?

    BTW: I know people who read Greek and Hebrew. They agree with the Christian translations.

    Here is a famous one:

    Isaiah 7:14

    Alma means virgin. A young woman having a child is not a sign; but rather an everyday occurrence.
    The Greek Septuagint – translated by rabbis – used virgin.

    Let the fun begin.

    Nuff said for now. I am probably not going to continue the debate. I am not going to get more into this or Ted will suspend me.

    But you started it with the cursing of the sectarians.

    In 20 years or so, the debate will be over. He is coming BACK! And when he does come back … Call him Yeshu …. I dare you!

  16. CuriousAmerican Said:

    Act 5: 34, 39

    Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;

    What did he have a PhD in Jewish Law? Gamaliel was a popular name like Smith and Jones. No reason to believe or accept they were related just because your crazy book says so. Yes I hold it in disdain. No apologies either. But by all means believe what you want… even if it nutty and wrong.

    Zech 12:10 They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son …

    I know you have an official Tovia Singer, rabbinically-approved answer for that verse. Let’s just say …

    No need for Singer here are 2 on line Jewish versions so you can read it from an accredited sources: after all it’s our book and our language and our translation:

    And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplication; and they shall look unto Me because they have thrust him through; and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his first-born. http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt2312.htm

    And I will pour out upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplications. And they shall look to me because of those who have been thrust through [with swords], and they shall mourn over it as one mourns over an only son and shall be in bitterness, therefore, as one is embittered over a firstborn son. http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16216#showrashi=true
    Both versions have the Hebrew text for you to see compare and translate if you can read Hebrew????

    they shall look to Me because of those who have been thrust through: Jonathan renders: And they shall supplicate Me because of their wanderings. And they shall look to Me to complain about those of them whom the nations thrust through and slew during their exile.
    and they shall mourn over it: Over that slaughter.
    referring to the Messiah, son of Joseph, who was slain. (Rashi)

    Your christian translators tend to see yeshu everywhere but in fact he is nowhere in our scriptures. 🙂

    I believe that in the next decade or two this debate will be settled one way or the other.

    Why what are you expecting to settle the argument? the 2nd coming???? after 2000 years of no show what makes you think the next 10-20 years will be any different???

    Riding on 2 donkeys one foot on each, maybe???? Also a mistranslation showing your translators when they were not altering the words of the G-d of Israel simply didn’t know Hebrew. They translated from the Greek.

  17. @ yamit82:
    Hatred of oppressors is a time-honored Jewish practice. Since Rabban Gamliel of the second century, we curse the sectarians daily in our Amida prayer and ask G-d to destroy them.

    Didn’t work. The sectarians (your code word for Christians) are now 1/3rd of the planet, maybe more.

    One of the Gamaliel family warned you.

    Act 5: 34, 39

    Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;

    But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

    One of the family, at least knew that Christianity was of God. And one of the Gamaliels was wise enough not to resist.

    Anyway, while you are waiting for Christianity to be cursed … I am reminded of Zecharias

    Zech 12:10 They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son …

    I know you have an official Tovia Singer, rabbinically-approved answer for that verse. Let’s just say …

    I prefer the answer of Jesus (Yeshua HaMoshiach) – NOT Yeshu (which is a vicious insult)

    Matt 23:39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'”

    Hosea 5:15 Then I will return to my lair until they have borne their guilt and seek my face– in their misery they will earnestly seek me.”

    Now, I expect you – and your crew – to rage against that verse; but you started it with the sectarian insult. Let’s just say: I believe that in the next decade or two this debate will be settled one way or the other.

    We know which side each other is on.

  18. CuriousAmerican Said:

    You do not consider us Gentiles human, do you?

    I eat with my finger and swing from trees by my tail.

    CuriousAmerican Said:

    Attitudes like yours do NOT help the Jewish people.

    Love a man with attitude!!!!!! Frankly my Dear, Jews are all attitude!!!

  19. yamit82 Said:

    No Arab or non Jew should have citizenship in a Jewish state unless it’s restricted to only civil rights but no political rights

    Can I have 1/2 a vote?????????

  20. CuriousAmerican Said:

    If voting rights were withdrawn from Jews in the West, would you consider that anti-semitic?!

    Not necessarily. If a country like America that is built on the ideas of Universal equality and equality among Citizens then if only the Jews were subject to discrimination because they were Jews then yes I would. America was not intended to be a strictly christian country or even a country whose majority are christian although it took a long time for minorities like Catholics Mormons and Jews to gain their civil and religious institutional equality in American, there was a long sometimes bitter struggle in that effort as protestant christians did oppose legislated against and fought hard to keep America less plauralistic and less tolerant of non christian white protestants.

    On the other hand countries that are closed societies and promote certain restrictive majority rights have that right as far as i am concerned and no Jew is forced to live with them. Just like all people theoretically do not have to work at jobs they detest and that pays less than they can satisfy the needs of the employed. The employed need not work for less favorable conditions and wages, my only caveat is that it does not apply to monopolies or places where there are no other options.

    Israel is not America and our raison d’être is not that of America. Our raison d’être is biblically ordained and defined and it never despite balfour and our socialist founding fathers ever meant to be like other nations or to accommodate them in any way shape or manner. This country came into being for a purpose and a reason, Jewish reasons and Jewish purposes, not to please any non Jew even those who might be generally friendly toward us. If you accept our observances and our peculiarities fine and if not shove it. Jews in countries like America are on their own they made their choices and will have to live with the negative consequences as they all today have choices. CuriousAmerican Said:

    Are you insane?

    I don’t know? Are You?

  21. CuriousAmerican Said:

    You do not consider us Gentiles human, do you?

    Human? Of course I consider all gentiles Human even ‘Neanderthals’ i consider Human. The Torah says all Humans were created in G-d’s image despite what many have done to that image.

    What a supremacist streak you have!

    In our prayers, we thank G-d for having chosen us from among all nations and exalting us above all towns. It’s great to be chosen by the biggest authority in the universe. It’s hard to live chosen. Jews have many more religious obligations than Gentiles, and therefore more dangers of transgressing them. Being a good Jew is tremendously more difficult than being a good Gentile.

    Hatred of oppressors is a time-honored Jewish practice. Since Rabban Gamliel of the second century, we curse the sectarians daily in our Amida prayer and ask G-d to destroy them. The sectarians are not members of various Jewish sects, but those whose sects parted with Judaism—you know whom the rabbis mean. 😉 I certainly don’t despise antisemites and Gentiles generally. There are some very smart antisemites, including good writers. The fact of the matter is that antisemitism is good for Jews, as it pushes the weak ones to assimilate and the stronger ones to unite. But I do detest foreign religious observances.

    CuriousAmerican Said:

    Attitudes like yours do NOT help the Jewish people.

    I disagree but even if true, I don’t care. 😛

  22. @ CuriousAmerican:
    I don’t know what BK would do with Arab residents marked by security issues as enemies of Israel. But here’s what I would do with them. Upon annexation of Area C, but before autonomy agreements could be negotiated with each of the Arab municipalities in Area A, I would expel them across the nearest Arab border, most likely that of Trans-Jordan. After the local autonomy agreements were made, I would give them the option of expulsion to whichever hamoula-ruled Arab municipality would agree to accept them. If none would do so, then into Trans-Jordan they would go, bag and baggage.

    But I would not jail them. Why should Jewish taxpayers support non-working Arabs with a free place to sleep plus three meals a day, plus paid-for armed guards?

    Arnold Harris
    Mount Horeb WI

  23. CuriousAmerican Said:

    @ yamit82:
    The non-Jew is only a tool in G-d’s hands, as it says, “O Assyria, rod of My anger” (Isa. 10:5). That is, Assyria and the other nations are nothing but a tool in G-d’s hand, a rod and a staff with which to smite anyone targeted by G-d’s anger.
    Curious American said:
    You do not consider us Gentiles human, do you?

    I thought the Christians believed that everyone is a tool in G_D’s hands, all humans?

  24. @ Bear Klein:
    BK: You are clear on most of the basic points of the plan that I suggest.

    But don’t neglect the necessity of separately-negotiated local autonomy agreements between Israel and the urban Arab hamoula mukhtars and their families. Unless we are fools, we ought not to be interested in spreading democracy among the Arabs.

    Instead, we want the kind of stability that can be achieved only by negotiating with leaderships that can not only administer their individual urban communities but also control local security. Local gang chiefs do that a lot better than cops hired by elected governments. In addition, once these local urban Arab mukhtars achieve power, it will be in their interest that neither the UNO, USA, EU or anyone else disturb the situation that will have been created for them by the Jewish State.

    Moreover, this situation will not end up like South Africa at the end of white Afrikaner rule there. In Israel, the Jewish population greatly outnumbers the Arab population, and Yoram Ettinger expects the disparity to grow in the future. So if anyone tells me that Zionism has become a Jewish version of Apartheid, I just laugh at them. I don’t respect liberals, and Jewish liberals least of all.

    Arnold Harris
    Mount Horeb WI

  25. @ Bear Klein:
    Continued Residency in Area C with no citizenship would only for those who do not have security issues (no terrorist ties or backgrounds).

    Where would you put those in C with security issues?

  26. @ yamit82:
    No Arab or non Jew should have citizenship in a Jewish state unless it’s restricted to only civil rights but no political rights.

    If voting rights were withdrawn from Jews in the West, would you consider that anti-semitic?!

    If so, why is it okay to disenfranchise goyim, but not Jews?

    Are you insane?

  27. @ yamit82:
    The non-Jew is only a tool in G-d’s hands, as it says, “O Assyria, rod of My anger” (Isa. 10:5). That is, Assyria and the other nations are nothing but a tool in G-d’s hand, a rod and a staff with which to smite anyone targeted by G-d’s anger.

    You do not consider us Gentiles human, do you?

    What a supremacist streak you have!

    Attitudes like yours do NOT help the Jewish people.

  28. @ Bear Klein:

    No Arab or non Jew should have citizenship in a Jewish state unless it’s restricted to only civil rights but no political rights.

    Most Arabs speak Hebrew and some better than many Jews here. Loyalty oath?? Bullshit means nothing, Security issues??? relates only to the past and what is known not intentions for the future.

  29. @ ArnoldHarris:

    Your points have the basic framework of what should be done. Build Build Build E1 and in all the rest of Area C. Figure out what to do with A (autonomy by local area with economic agreements for any peaceful areas).

    Annex Area C and whatever of B does not have Arabs living there. Citizenship would be offered as in Jerusalem only to those who speak Hebrew, swear loyalty to the State of Israel, and do not have security background problems. This can be done over 10 to 15 year period making sure background checks are passed and all conditions are met. Continued Residency in Area C with no citizenship would only for those who do not have security issues (no terrorist ties or backgrounds).

  30. @ yamit82:
    Indeed, no peace is possible between Israel and the “Palestine Authority”, the establishment of which a prior government of Israel so foolishly agreed.

    But this does not mean there are not local Arab leadership cadres with whom Israel could and should negotiate local autonomy issues, once Area C has been annexed by Israel and Israeli control over connective parts of Area B more tightly controlled.

    I refer here to the leaders of the Area A urban hamoulas (blood-kinship clans) of Jenin, Nablus, Tulkarem, Kalkilyah, Ramallah, Jericho, and Hevron. Professor Mordechai Kedar has suggested exactly that approach, and I strongly endorse that. As noted demographer Yoram Ettinger has so carefully researched, the population of Area C is already dominated by the strong Jewish majority that has developed and expanded there in the 46 years since the Six Day War that in essence ended any serious hope of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan River. As for the rest of the Arab residents of Shomron and Yehuda, the vast majority are located in those seven scattered urban areas.

    The sequential steps of the action plan that I have in mind:

    First, stonewall Kerry sufficiently to enable the Arabs to terminate the talks without losing face.

    Second, authorize immediate expansion of all Jewish cities, villages, agricultural areas, industrial parks and commercial centers in Area C, along with authorizing new settlements in previously-unsettled parts of Area C.

    Third, turn over to the regional councils complete administration of Area C, to include provisions for armed home guard units in each Jewish community, and with the Israeli Army to be responsible for defense of the Jordan River line and to cope with large-scale terrorist activity if and what that might occur.

    Fourth, upon request of the Jewish regional councils, annex all of Area C excepting Jericho, which in any case has Area A status.

    Fifth, offer Israeli citizenship to any Arab resident of the newly annexed lands so requesting that status. It can be expected that only a small number of them may make that request. But in time, more of them may find such a change of status useful.

    Sixth, begin serious negotiation with the chiefs of the Arab urban hamulas for Israeli-recognized autonomy under their control of the main Arab-populated cities. At this point, there should be Israeli negotiations whatsoever with whatever remains of the PLA after most of lands that make up Shomron and Yehuda shall already have been annexed by Israel. Few people who have been offered local authority and the powers that come with it will turh down such offers. And that may be especially so in the case of the families of the old-time local mukhtars who controlled these Arab cities under the Turks for many centuries and the British Empire from 1920 to 1948.

    Seventh, with the Area C annexed and the Area A cities under control of their local hamoulas by means of autonomy agreements separately negotiated with Israel, start working on strengthening Israel control and settlement-building in selected parts of Area B and their relatively smaller Arab populations.

    Can peace as we in the West understand that term be brought about in Israel’s immediate Arab neighborhood? Almost certainly not. But permanent control of these lands under terms as described above will be a status that both Jews and Arabs can live with.

    Arnold Harris
    Mount Horeb WI

  31. CuriousAmerican Said:

    No peace is possible.

    Obama should have known this, and walked away. If he had wanted to achieve something, he should have attacked Iran.

    I agree.

    I wonder if the G-d of Israel has not hardened the hearts of Israel’s enemies the Arabs and christian Americans so as to create historical conditions in order to create certain results. Just like with Pharaoh and Balaam

    Israel alone, a precious blessing


    “Behold! It is a nation that will dwell in solitude and not be reckoned among the nations.”(Num. 23:9)

    The nations have no say regarding Israel’s future. The non-Jew is only a tool in G-d’s hands, as it says, “O Assyria, rod of My anger” (Isa. 10:5). That is, Assyria and the other nations are nothing but a tool in G-d’s hand, a rod and a staff with which to smite anyone targeted by G-d’s anger. Neither Assyria nor any kingdom or monarch can rule by themselves over others, or even over themselves, for indeed, “Like watercourses, the king’s heart is in G-d’s hand. He turns it whenever he desires” (Prov. 21:1). It thus says, “He shall drive the enemy before you and shall proclaim, ‘Destroy!’ Israel shall thus dwell securely, alone” (Deut. 33:27-28). Following is Or HaChaim (Ibid.): “Israel shall thus dwell securely”: When? When they are alone. “They shall dwell” naturally follows “He shall proclaim, ‘Destroy!’” G-d commanded Israel to annihilate every soul of the inhabitants of the land. By doing so, “Israel shall dwell securely, alone”.

  32. Obama is no match for Netanyahu.

    He does not even have the Congress on his side.

    Israel, from day one, never had any intention of giving the Palestinians anything more than autonomy,.

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin

    We would like this to be an entity which is less than a state … Rabin

    The Palestinians will not accept this.

    Whenever the pressure is ramped up on Israel, Israel starts evicting Arabs from the Jordan Valley; and settling Jewish Communities … in order to prevent Palestine from getting open borders … which is the sine qua non of independence.

    Israel’s critics have rightly called this dishonest stalling. In a way, it is; but it could also be called wise determination by other means. It may be passive-aggressive, but it is effective.

    Israel will not surrender one inch of Judea and Samaria. (Understandable from a Jewish point of view) They will offer the Palestinians, at best, a limited autonomy, which to the Palestinians will seem insulting. The Palestinians will reject it (understandably from a Palestinians point of view).

    No peace is possible.

    Obama should have known this, and walked away. If he had wanted to achieve something, he should have attacked Iran.