By Ted Belman
Donald Trump’s great speech following the Orlando jihad attack failed to single out the ideology that must also be defeated. Much to my surprise and appreciation, Hillary did just that, in yesterday’s speech, in spades.
“It is long past time for the Saudis, the Qataris, and the Kuwaitis and others to stop their citizens from funding extremist organizations….“
“And they should stop supporting radical schools and mosques around the world that have set too many young people on a path toward extremism.” (snip)
“The Orlando terrorist may be dead, but the virus that poisoned his mind remains very much alive and we must attack it with clear eyes, steady hands, unwavering determination and pride in our country and our values…”
“The threat is metastasizing….”
“We face a twisted ideology and poisoned psychology that inspires the so-called lone wolves,”
These statements are so right-on that I will give her a pass for referring to the killer as a “lone wolf.”
Whether he was appointed by an organization to do this or did it on his own as a result of the atmosphere that has been created by them, is immaterial. The same goes for the so-called “lone wolves” in Israel. Their actions are all products of the same “twisted ideology and poisoned psychology”.
That doesn’t mean that I would vote for her. No way. She is still poison. Why didn’t she say such things when she was Secretary of State, let alone act on them?
I have no confidence that she would follow through, but Trump would.
Donald Trump’s great speech following the Orlando jihad attack failed to single out the ideology that must also be defeated. Much to my surprise and appreciation, Hillary did just that, in yesterday’s speech, in spades.
“It is long past time for the Saudis, the Qataris, and the Kuwaitis and others to stop their citizens from funding extremist organizations….“
“And they should stop supporting radical schools and mosques around the world that have set too many young people on a path toward extremism.” (snip)
“The Orlando terrorist may be dead, but the virus that poisoned his mind remains very much alive and we must attack it with clear eyes, steady hands, unwavering determination and pride in our country and our values…”
“The threat is metastasizing….”
“We face a twisted ideology and poisoned psychology that inspires the so-called lone wolves,”
These statements are so right-on that I will give her a pass for referring to the killer as a “lone wolf.”
Whether he was appointed by an organization to do this or did it on his own as a result of the atmosphere that has been created by them, is immaterial. The same goes for the so-called “lone wolves” in Israel. Their actions are all products of the same “twisted ideology and poisoned psychology”.
That doesn’t mean that I would vote for her. No way. She is still poison. Why didn’t she say such things when she was Secretary of State, let alone act on them?
I have no confidence that she would follow through, but Trump would.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/06/orlando_jihad_massacre_hillary_clinton_makes_a_very_important_point_that_trump_missed.html#ixzz4BYEZimua
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watsa46 Said:
That works for me !!!!!!!!!!
CuriousAmerican Said:
Cruz has ties to bi ” big oil, cattle and construction. you get no where in Texas politics without those ties.
CuriousAmerican Said:
I like Bernie’s moxie. I do not agree with his political or economic views.
I have seemed to have developed an ” un-natural” passion for aging gruff Jewish men with Eastern accents.
I am not a liberal, or I would not be calling Mohammed a pig, which indeed Mohammed was a pig.
However, San Remo required full “civil rights” to the Arabs, so why the lopsided denial of permits to Arabs? I have no problem that Israel annexed Jerusalem. By all means, it was a good idea. I think the USA should have our embassy in Jerusalem. Does that sound like a liberal?
But Israel should stop putting bureaucratic obstacles in the way of Jerusalem Arabs getting permits. Easing up on the permits will not get rid of all your problems, but it might ease some of them.
I have no problem if you bulldoze al-Aqsa. That is a fraud. There were no mosques in Jerusalem during Mohammed’s lifetime for him to visit. Does that sound like a liberal?
But the permit obstacles are a genuine problem.
CuriousAmerican Said:
So it goes for Andalusia and perhaps everywhere where they used their swords! That is foolish nonsense. I should get everything I love with total disregard for other people rights and aspirations. That stinks of Liberalism.
The ONLY country where Jews are NOT dhimmies is: Israel.
Everywhere and for the past 2 thousand years it has been about “controlling” the Jews!
Not the sword of Islam, but the focus of Islam. ISIS, the sword, is now in Iraq not Palestine.
Ask yourself why?
Now prior to 1890, there was anti-semitism in the Arab world. Attacks on Safed in 1834, but why did Palestinians become the focus of Islam?
The first response is that Islamism was in decline up until the 1967 War. The PLO was nominally secular. Nasser, as much as one might hate him, detested the imams and the MB.
Up to that point, the Arab/Muslim world had been pounded by the West for a good while. The French grabbed Algeria. The British took over Egypt, the Italians ruled Libya. Even the bankrupt and backward Spanish ruled Morocco.
To them, they saw Zionism as the last straw of Western imperialism.
So when the Jews started coming back in the 1880s, the local Arabs figured, “we’re next.” In a way, they were right. The Zionist came to stay.
The founder of Right Wing Zionism, Ze’ev Jabotinsky wrote:
Do not blame me for pointing this out. Jabotinsky told you.
Anti-semitism was rife in Islam, but the one of the original reasons for the resistance by the Palestinians – as Jabotinsky noted – was that they did not want to be dispossessed.
Here I agree. I think Netanyahu was right in saying Hajj Amin al-Husseini was an architect of the Holocaust.
The creation of Israel splits the Arab Muslim world in half. It is a choke point geographically. A bottleneck. The Arab were going to fight – as Jabotinsky noted – but fight especially over Palestine. Islam is part of this, but so is nationalism.
Some of the most prominent anti-Zionists were Greek Orthodox Christians who started the paper Falastin. This was started in 1911. The owners were Christian but they had read Zionist literature and were “warning” Arabs of a soon Jewish take-over.
Yes, this is a red flag to Islam, but even non-Muslims were upset.
When secular forces fell to Israel, the Arabs reverted to Islamic forces. When Nasser, the secular PLO, and PFLP failed to produce results, Hamas and Hezbollah rose in influence. When Hezbollah drove out American and French forces from Lebanon in 1983 and when Hezbollah forces drove out Israel in 2000, the star of Islamism rose. When Israel left Gaza, Hamas star rose.
The fact is: That Hamas and Hebollah are frightfully evil, but they are more successful than the secular PLO and PFLP. This is why they have cachet with the Arabs.
The hateful Abdul Malik Ali gives a hate speech at UC-Irvine, California where he claims Islam is more successful than nationalism. (set to right time)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-X_32JLbSI&t=1m05s
Initially, the resistance was often nationalistic, only when that failed did Islam become more strongly embraced. Unfortunately, due to its irrationality, Islam is harder to fight.
Oddly, similar is happening in Israel. As the secularists lose their nerve, the Religious Right is asserting itself.
The creation of Israel was a red flag in the face of the Arab/Islamic bull; but not all of this resistance was Islamic at the start. A lot of it was genuine nationalism, as Jabotinsky noted.
When secular nationalism failed, rather than admit defeat, Islamic fanaticism took over. But the nationalists often came first.
Before Hajj al-Amin Husseini there was the Christian Falastin newspaper. Before Hamas became a threat there was the secular PLO and PFLP.
Likewise, before Jewish Home Party there was Labor. Before Meir Kahane, there was Ben Gurion.
This struggle is getting so violent because neither side will quit, and when patriotism fails them, religion is embraced.
Why will neither side quit?
Because whichever side loses – Palestine or Israel – will have to commit national suicide. No people agrees voluntarily to suicide – as Jabotinsky noted.
Of course, there is a deeper underlying spiritual aspect to this … the prophesied forces of light vs the forces of darkness; but the average Arab sees this as nationalistic as well as Islamic. Some Arabs – especially with the PFLP – are quite secular, as the Khalida Jarrar. The average Arab does not see this as light vs dark, or the Arab would not be embracing Islam, which is very dark.
Sadly, even though Mohammed never set foot in Jerusalem, and even though al Aqsa is a fraud, the Muslims have now come to love Jerusalem as much as the Jews do, and are willing to die for it.
This is not a happy development.
Felix Quigley Said:
Add me to your list. Societies are built around values. Different values build different societies. Liberalism means not imposing one’s values on others. Liberalism doesn’t mean accepting others’ values or acquiescing to their public demonstrations. All-permissive societies lack values—bonds—and dissolve.
“Homosexuals, as any deviants (like Commies), must keep a low profile.
That is right. It is not as much Euro-anti-semitism as you think [though there is a degree of anti-semitism]; but a cold-blooded economic decision.
It will be a while before Israel produces an equivalent Scotch. And good Salmon comes from Norway … so if you want Lox for your bagel (which may be more a New York affectation) … then you need Norway.
Certainly out of Israel … but Lebanon? KSA?!
How?!
Pre-occupied for now.
Your first statement made sense. It is all about money and expedience. Europeans have no direct policy to destroy Israel. Even when they support house building in Area C, that is because they see it as a rights issue. Misguided?! Maybe; but they aren’t as anti-semitic as you project.
I know you ask, does Europe protest civil rights violations elsewhere. YES! They bombed Qaddafi’s regime over it. They are boycotting Putin over the Ukraine.
Israel is not being singled out. Boycotts against Putin are active. BDS is illegal in France, and BDS is being criticized in England. So Putin is getting it worse than Israel. Israel is not being singled out. Palestinians may be unique in getting subsidies for house building, but that is because permits are the issue in Israel. Permits are not an issue in the Ukraine, now were they an issue in Libya.
You like Bernie?!
Personally, he seems less detestable than Hilary; and stands a better chance to beat Trump than Hilary.
From the perspective of this board, however, he would be more Pro-Palestinian.
Hilary might be more pro-Israel at this moment, but remember in 1998 when she was the first American politician to talk about a Palestinian state.
What a firestorm that opened up at that time.
She is not reliable. You may dislike the Bern, but he is open about his views.
TEXAS FEELS THE BERN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi5C77r-4eM
Me?! I was rootin’ for Cruz.
The two guys copped it because they were poor and working class. To opérate they had to rent out a cheap dingy Little room in a working class área and they were spied on.
But as I read it there was no such problem for the English upper classes where they formed clubs both men and women and then under the cover of clubs they were quite open in carrying on their love affairs.
But the change to today did not happen automatically. Consider the Tolpuddle Martyrs and Penal Servitude in Australia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolpuddle_Martyrs
How did we advance from then to today?
By hard struggles of many millions of ordinary people, to fight and to organise. The Gays need to learn the history.
Now today the Gays need to organise in America behind the Trump campaign and behind that great American people to destroy Islam in America. Their friends today are Christians who hate Islam and are behind Trump and nobody else. The enemies of the gays are in fact Clinton and Sanders as well of course as Obama.
Looking at Palestinianism historically and looking at events in transition from about 1890 onwards Palestinianism became more and more the cutting edge, the sword, of Islam. It became the key factor, the rallying cry, the calling card and it was no accident therefore that the Arabs rallied en masse behind Hajj Amin el Husseini’s alliance with Hitler in 1941 and so were a critical factor in carrying out the Holocaust. Islam also is a thing in progress and more and more Palestinainism both acts upon and creates Islam. Static in the Koran but in its playing out in the real world not static but dynamic.
Netanyahu has made the “Palestine State” into something akin to an act of God in much the same way that Obama has made the “Muslim” into an act of God. For Obama the term “Muslim” is an abstraction whereas for Trump the term Muslim is the Massacre (whether The Pulse or St Bernadino witht he very concrete certainty of many more to come.
The strength of Trump is not in deep analysis but in linking thought to action
When Trump considers the Pulse Nightclub he thinks not in an abstraction, such as in Hillary talking about our LBGC friends, but in Man Shooting, Muslim shooting, Muslims shooting, counter action to defend Americans his people, which is ban to give time for extensive analysis to understanding Islam.
There is the key issue. The study of the phenomenon. He does not avoid the issue of Islam. He confronts it head on. He calls for a collective effort to quickly uncover what it is.
He probably has a fair idea himself already as he discusses this with experts. But for Trump it is not an individual thing. He is calling for the first time in history for society to begin a collective endeavour to probe what is Islam.
This is very scary especially for big business interests such as the Bushes who made their money first of all along with the Nazis and then later with the Wahhabis.
trump often works instinctively. He felt and he was very correct to feel such that Spencer and Pamela were gpoing nowhere intheir practice. Trump was on hteir side concerning Garland but he was really thinking Hey these guys are not cutting the mustard withthese kinds of actions.
For example i very much defend Robert and Pamela and all over Garland. But I also asked if I was to organise such a meeting I could not do it. It costs too much to defend the way they operate.
Trump does not propose to write a book like Robert Spencer and travel to little pokey meeting holes where Christians meet to give his little chats. Trump is planning to lead a whole nation in this. Big difference in my opinion.
In the end Spencer is now folowing Trump and not the other way around.
Spencer has very definitely had to change his tune about Trump. Spencer was extremely hostile to Trump. Now not. Trump is not the one who has changed. He has not changed one iota.
Trump has done one thing above all. He has defended the democratic principles of the 18th century American Revolution. These Gays are not free to be gays because of their puny efforts, if even that many are pro-Obamaists, but because of the great efforts of revolution in the past. They need to get off their high horse and understand history. Remember the British executed two gays in 1840 something. For sodomy. Also remember what the British ruling class did to Oscar Wilde, a brilliant Irish writer, they destroyed him as they destroyed and HUNG Roger Casement.
I doubt if any of these present exhibitionists understand any of this history. This is the key thing today…history is not allowed to be taught to the youth of today.
@ mikewise:The Saudis fund all those Mosques worldwide that teach Wahibism. The root of the fundamental Islamist beliefs.
Hilary will say what ever needed to become a President.
She is a pathological liar.
Keli-A Said:
then why does BB facilitate the euro illegal bldg in YS?
In those circumstances Israel does not need to kowtow to their libels which end up murdering Jews.
mikewise Said:
hhahahahahahahahahahah !!!!!!!!!!!
“It is long past time for the Saudis, the Qataris, and the Kuwaitis and others to stop their citizens from funding extremist organizations….“
Let us know when the Clinton Foundation renounces and returns all funds received from the Saudis, the Qataris, and the Kuwaitis!
Keli-A Said:
if this is true and he accomplished this then that would be a yhuge accomplishment
@ bernard ross:
Europe has little control or influence it’s all about interests and those interests go to money and power equilibrium. Nobody trades or buys our products because they like us but we have alternatives to almost 100% of what they produce… Israel can shut Europe out of the ME easily….Italy is in such bad shape that any business they get from us is worth their votes in our favor as is much of Eastern Europe in Short Europe is divided and have their hands full with the bottom falling out of their bond markets and flight of trillions of Euros to safety watch gold soar… Britain could leave the Union next week and from there it’s a fast free fall forget Europe they have no cards against us today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPnmCKf4E6g
@ bernard ross:
Ya think it’s all Kabuki??? I go with BB screwing up. Nothing to indicate otherwise in his long history in Israeli politics since 1996. Everything he touches turnes to shit and I say this in hindsight.
Keli-A Said:
Don’t hold you breath Sugar !!!!!!!!!
Keli-A Said:
both were secular, islam was not in power… hitler and stalin cooperated… churchill and stalin cooperated… folks cooperate for self interest but there is no need to cooperate when it is not in self interest… both the shah and pre erdogan turkey cooperated with Israel. the relations were clear. Now america builds china’s economy which has grown china’s military enormously and is now aggressively confronting the US militarily… that makes no sense.
As for the euros… it is my view that BB has under the table understandings whereby the euros defame Israel for their electorate and does token moves that dont really harm Israel much. That each drama is just that… a drama. If it is not then BB has really screwed up.
Keli-A Said:
Islam has always been , since it’s inception militaristic.
Bear Klein Said:
Let’s understand how this works? Every Muslim is not a terrorist,but every gun owner is a potential mass-murderer.
@ bernard ross:
Haaaa Bernie now out of the picture she can say what she wants and Hitlery will say anything that serves her interests at any given moment…. move on It don’t matter.
@ bernard ross:
Enemy not monolithic Israel did well with the Shah of Iran we got our oil from him and even offered him our Nukes…. Had a good run with Turkey before Erdogan… still trade growing between us every year. Some Muslim countries in Africa and Asia as well, so a state with Israels problems has to find cooperation economic and politically where we can find them, they all shift in time… need to be flexible.
watsa46 Said:
exactly
Keli-A Said:
this has as much efficacy as the TSS.
Whatever happened of that good old fashioned “know thy enemy” or Bush’s one moment of lucidity when he said “you are with me or against me”. Personally I think that Bush statement would work very well in international relations, certainly one would not be financing ones competitor and potential enemy’s military like we do with China.
@ Keli-A:
I notice that he did not include the PLO in that speech.. just hamas, ISIS and the others… but not the PA.Keli-A Said:
I dont think so, unless you get rid of some of their writings. As far as I can see, it is ISLAM… its just a matter of how much of a muslim you are, but then your donation at the mosque will probably kill some jews.. so for me, it is all of them. some members of the nazi party did not kill jews… but that difference did not matter to me.
@ bernard ross:
BB and the idiot Sharansky believe along with the American (Jewish ) neo-cons that you can defeat militant Islam by raising their economic standard of living giving them something material to lose? This has been essentially the core premise of his and their policies essentially nation building notably in Iraq and Afghanistan and hoped for in Syria and Libya….. Also so called Palestine at our expense but then hard to convince true believers of their folly.
Netanyahu: “It’s not militants. It’s not Islam. It’s militant Islam.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/netanyahu-its-not-militants-its-not-islam-its-militant-islam
So now I think our debate should be whether it’s Islam or it’s militant aspects that are the core of world terror and instability. Can Islamic militancy be divorced from Islam?
Netanyahu: The Global Threat Of Militant Islam</strong>
Netanyahu: World Starting to Understand Threat of Extremist Islam
“World leaders are beginning to understand the threat of extremist Islam, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Tuesday at the funeral of four Jews killed by an Islamist gunman in Paris.”
“I think that most (world leaders) understand — or are at least starting to understand — that this terror committed by extremist Islam represents a clear and present threat to peace in the world in which we live,” he said
Netanyahu Under Fire for Telling Truth About Mufti’s Role in Holocaust
@ bernard ross:
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/netanyahu-militant-islam-aims-dominate-world-state-dept-no-it-doesnt
.@ bernard ross:
Pretty clear statement
Netanyahu Says Militant Islam Aims to ‘Dominate World’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzpAbHQkvYU
The elites of the Repub AND Demo and academia have been in cahoot with Saudi Arabia for more than a century. It is opportunistically convenient now for Hilary to claim to warn the potentates that time is up. They know that Hilary DOES NOT mean what she says. Do the Americans understand THAT? I doubt.
I am very disappointed in BB netanyahu… he gives wings to all the libels and canards which come from the muslims and the euros… he does nothing to fight the anti semitism of those canards where he has influence.. in the land of Israel. In my view he is a major part of the problem and certainly not of any solution. No discussions of the pals should be entered into with the euros until they cease their anti semitic double standards and libels and cease their criminal violations in YS, they should be jailed, deported and made persona non grata. BB has allowed anti semitism to flourish, double standards to flourish, abuse of Jews to flourish…. anyone can spit on the Jews in front of BB and he does nothing… he continues to deal with them as if they were human beings. He begs recognition of a jewish state from anti semites….. that is absurd and humiliating. Jews need a leader who will speak truth to power and declare to the world that anti semites will not be tolerated in Israel. It is disgusting and despicable that BB continues to deal seriously with people who submitted the unesco resolution..the pals should suffer poverty not be helped and qatar should be booted from gaza and the west bank along with the euros. BB has made the jews into a target of abuse, lies and anti semitism with his do nothing approach combined with aiding all the defamers and enemies: euros, pals , qatar, un. BB is a fake.
Bear Klein Said:
why tell others to do something about “radical” islam when he does not…. shouldnt those mosques that teach terror and that jews are sons of apes and pigs be shut down…. like the al aksa mosque. I dont understand why he does not demand of jordan to install clerics who refrain from anti semitism and incitements… he should give the little stooge king an ultimatum on that issue. In my view all mosques and muslim schools in Israel should get the ultimatum that if they speak anti semitism or incitement they will be shut down and the families of the teachers and imams deported. BB should be doing this in Israel if he beleives what he says.. and before telling others to do it. there is no reason to have any tolerance of anti semitism in the jewish homeland… you cant ask the pals to recognize Israel as the jewish state if you dont act like a jewish state…. a jewish state would have zero tolerance of anti semitism.
an anti semitic arab state cannot be created in the midst of the Jewish homeland… that would be an acceptance of anti semitism by the Jewish state… anti semitism in the Jewish homeland is unacceptable and those connected with it should be deported.
You tube video translated into English from Hebrew with Bibi speaking.
Published on Nov 16, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpJVLvev2Ag
Hebrew is Bibi speaks to Israelis.
Bear Klein Said:
that is the description of what he said but here is the only quotation in the article that referred to radical islam:
although it is good to finally see the phrase in quotes there are things troubling me in the search:
1-BB appears to only use the phrase to foreigners and not in Israel which reminds me of the pals speaking in arabic differently from english
2- the actual quote appears to be in conflict with the description in that the description says that palestinian nationalism was “increasingly being tranformed into the workings of radical islam” as opposed to always being influenced by islam. In my view Islam was always a factor in the muslim aversion to Israel.
again there is this:
why not say the “muslim terrorists”? I dont feel that he is consistent on making the connection.. unlike Trump who is loud and clear on who is responsible. Furthermore, the unpopularity of the muslims in the western world is good for Jews.. as they are half of the defamation equation against Israel and the Jews… the other half being the euros.
Bear Klein Said:
its true that this phrase shows in quotes in that article but when I watched the videos I notice that BB referred to “terrorism[not islamic terrorism] being the same whether it is the pals in tel aviv or the islamists in Paris” it appeared to me that he was not assigning the pals in tel aviv with the “islamist” label.
I did not see the “radical islam” in the video.
Bear Klein Said:
thank you for this post… at first i was happy to be wrong… but then on carefully reading that article I realized that there was no actual quotation of BB saying the words “islamic terrorism” in the whole article. In fact please notice that even in the headline the quotation mark only quote these words: ‘must know no bounds’.. notice that we may have been misled by the headline and the article whereby the “journalist” or media inserted the word “Islamic” into BB’s mouth without him actually saying it.
Perhaps you can re read the article and show me where there is any direct quotation of BB saying “Islamic terrorism”. I see only “terrorism” and “terrorist”…… and I see this:
a direct quote from BB’s mouth.
It appears that we have both been hoodwinked by the “sleazy and dishonest” media yet again.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/213622#.V2AXaKIorv8
“The beasts have a name it is called radical Islam” quote by Bibi Netanyahyu
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Paris-terrorists-are-beasts-who-have-a-name-radical-Islam-Netanyahu-says-434478
Bibi very clearly gets who the enemy is and what is. He has faults plenty but that is not one of them
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/netanyahu-wants-palestinian-violence-linked-to-radical-islam/2015/12/10/6a62d522-9d07-11e5-9ad2-568d814bbf3b_story.html
In a series of speeches and public pronouncements since the Paris attacks last month, Netanyahu has been urging the United States and the international community to view the latest wave of daily Palestinian knife, gun and vehicular attacks against Jewish Israelis as a part of a globalized assault by extremist Muslims against Western democracies.
“The terrorists are attacking in California or in Israel, or for that matter in Paris. They are attacking the very values that we hold dear — freedom, tolerance, diversity,” Netanyahu said Sunday
guess who else missed it too:
Looks like BB and obama are on the same page… BB also cant bring himself to say the majic word: muslims. Perhaps BB and obama were on the same page with Iran too and the whole “quarrel” was just a show for the street… it went nowhere like most of BB’s rhetorics.
qatar submits unesco resolution that jews have no relation to the Mount but BB worked with qatar to fund gaza and rawabi… he connected rawabi’s water to Israel. BB has done nothing to qatar for submitting the insult at unesco. Perhaps its all part of the “tough love” that leftists call for where Jews are constantly hounded until they beg for respite and take any deal.
She is also for gun control. Not just for the potential terrorists but every citizen. She is also for bringing many more Syrian refugees into the USA. Thereby increasing the chance of bringing in more terrorists immediately or via second generation radicalized Islamist’s.
She is not the recipe for the maximum improvement of security to say the least. Trump has the correct instincts but he is not exactly a fountain of sophisticated knowledge on this subject. He certainly is better than Obama and Hillary.