97% of deaths are due to Other Serious Health conditions which are agravated by the coronavirus.
By Joe Hoft, GATEWAY PUNDIT
Since early March Italy became the epicenter of of the coronavirus epidemic.
As of Wednesday morning there have been 31,506 confirmed cases of coronavirus in Italy and 2,503 deaths.
But new data from the Italian government shows that the people dying from the coronavirus are either the elderly or have other complications.
Today’s news out of Italy confirms this is the case.
50% of those who died from coronavirus had THREE DIFFERENT SERIOUS HEALTH CONDITIONS and the average per person had 2.7 serious health conditions.
Only 12 coronavirus fatalities had NO previous health concerns before coming down with the coronavirus.
Via Agenzia Nova from March 18:
(rough translation)
Rome, 18 Mar 09:29 – (Agenzia Nova) – Only 12 deaths caused by coronavirus have been ascertained so far. The data, however, emerges from the analysis of just 355 medical records, out of 2,003 received by the Higher Institute of Health (ISS). All the other 343 patients who fell victim to the epidemic, according to the ISS, had other serious diseases, which caused their death. Almost 50 percent of the deceased had 3 previous pathologies, and the average of the 343 deaths from secondary causes is 2.7 pathologies per person. The 12 deceased patients, equal to 3.38 per cent of the sample examined, did not present any previous pathology , which means that their death was caused, precisely, by Covid-19.
Among the other victims, 84, equal to 23.7 percent of the sample, had 1 pathology; 90 patients, equal to 25.4 percent of the sample, had 2; and 169, equal to 47.6 percent, had 3 or more pathologies. Respiratory failure is the most common complication observed. The ISS, in fact, found the disease in 97.2 percent of cases; the second cause is acute kidney damage, in 27.8 percent of cases; followed by acute myocardial injury, with 10.8 percent; and from superinfection, with 10.2 percent.
The Institute also reports on the age groups of patients. As of March 17, seventeen those who died and were positive at Covid-19 under the age of 50. Specifically, 5 of these were less than 40 years old: these are male subjects between the ages of 31 and 39 with serious pre-existing diseases. Among these, cardiovascular, renal, psychiatric diseases but also diabetes and obesity.
Free Republic reported this news last Friday when only three of the victims had no previous health conditions:
Death by suffication is the fate of those who die of carona-19. A research study or report that lists “psychiatric conditions ‘as the primary cause of death is highly syspect. The language of the report is merely intended to lead the reader to the conclusion that these patients would have died anyway from something else and therefore they should be abandoned to their fate when they get Carona 19. Despicable attitude and just plain immoral. Where will it end? Why not abandon the poor who have lost their jobs? Will restaurants ever come back or will they all be forced to become Ghost kitchens employing fewer people.
“The cases described in this report include both COVID-19 cases confirmed by state or local public health laboratories as well as those with a positive test at the state or local public health laboratories and confirma- tion at CDC. No data on serious underlying health conditions were available. Data on these cases are preliminary and are miss- ing for some key characteristics of interest, including hospital- ization status (1,514), ICU admission (2,253), death (2,001), and age (386).” (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6912e2-H.pdf).” Because of these missing data, the percentages of hospitalizations, ICU admissions, and deaths (case-fatality percentages) were estimated as a range. The lower bound of these percentages was estimated by using all cases within each age group as denominators. The corresponding upper bound of these percentages was estimated by using only cases with known information on each outcome as denominators.”
This is from the CDC report that is the underlying source of the Business Insider report you are quoting. In other words this is garbage data. It looks like its precise, but is actually based on highly incomplete information and very dubious assumptions about the very limited and incomplete data that the CDC has received. Garbage in, garbage out.
It is also highly significant that that no such detailed data of any kind is available from the CDC with respect to death and hospitalization rates for people suffering from any of the forms of influenza, any of the forms of bronchitis and pneumonia, or any of the forms of common cold, including the four varieties of coronavirus that produce common colds. Either they don’t collect this data or they choose not to share it with us. Detailed-looking reports, (although they are actually just estimates based on very incomplete data), are available only for COVID-19. That makes a realistic comparison between the relative dangers posed by COVID-19 with other viruses and bacteria impossible. By design?
The CDC said it had confirmed 4,226 COVID-19 cases and 44 deaths in the US as of March 16. As of Wednesday, the US had more than 8,000 cases and 129 deaths, according to a combination of CDC and state-level data. Those numbers are likely to rise as testing efforts — which have been woefully slow in the US — continue to ramp up. Experts have estimated 40 to 70% of the US population could become infected and that 1 million could die.
According to the CDC, hospitalization and intensive-care-admission rates have been higher among older Americans. More than 500 people — about one in eight of those with confirmed cases — have been hospitalized so far, and 45% of them are 65 or older.
Covid-19 also hits younger people.
“In 2017 to 2018, the worst flu season on record in the U.S. outside of a pandemic, approximately 80,000 Americans died. The four other coronavirus strains that already exist are responsible for around 25% of our common colds, [Dr.]Adalja added.” (From an article on the Marketwatch web site.)
Note the “approximately.” Why has no one bothered to make an exact count? Why did neither the governments, nor the medical community, nor the media make any sort of point about this immense death toll, 160 times the death toll forom coronavirus so far this flu season? This is the first time I have heard this figure?
I did get quite sick with bronchitis in 2018, and my physician put me on an antibiotic, which cleared it up in about ten days. But she said nothing about there being an “epidemic,” or the less a “pandemic.” Nor did I hear or read anything about one in the media, even though then and now I am a compulsive news hound. The governments, Federal, state and municipal, imposed no restrictions on anyone during this (probable) pandemic.
” “But it doesn’t seem like there is cross-immunity with this coronavirus as there are with the other coronaviruses,” he added. In other words, the natural defense systems in our body that help us ward off flu are unlikely to apply here.
“Luis Ostrosky, a member of the Infectious Diseases Society of America, said humans have a “herd immunity” to flu. “When there are enough people in the community who are immune, it protects people who are not immune,” he said. That is the case with flu, but not with COVID-19. Ostrosky said this is especially critical when there are no vaccines or therapeutic treatments for a virus.”
From the same article on the MarketWatch site. Notice that all of these claims that this is a “pandemic” is based totally on assumptions and guesses, not clinical data. Note the phrases like “seem like” and “unlikely to apply.” Opinions, not facts.
The four other strains of coronavirus produce common colds. How many people who die of infections every year were infected with these four strains of coronavirus that are related to the “novel” strain? Do we know that the infection rate for these four strains is less among those who become serious ill or die during “flu season” is less than for the “novel” coronavirus?Have any of the deceased even been tested for these four strains? Is there a vaccine for these four strains? Has anyone even thought about developing one?
The physician quoted in this article says that most Americans have “immunity” to influenza because of years of contact with infected people, while none have acquired immunity to the Novel” coronavirus. But how is anyone going to acquire immunity to new viral strain this when they are ordered not to mingle with other people, but to isolate themselves.
How can he, or anyone, be so sure there is no “cross immunity” with the four other, closely related and long known coronaviruses? And/or that there is no “cross immunity” between COVID-19 and any existing strain of influenza? All assumptions not based on clinical data.
@ Bear Klein:””New measures are needed to regulate the activity of doctors in clinics, to protect the health of professionals and the whole population,” Filippo Anelli, head of the National Federation of Orders of Surgeons said in an open letter to the Italian government. “We doctors are ‘super-spreaders’ of the virus, because we work closely with patients, many of whom are made fragile by age or by pre-existing diseases. If statistically, for COVID-19, any infected person can infect two others, that means when a doctor is ill, he can infect up to 10 people.”
Officials say it may take until March 26 before the curve starts to flatten and the new cases start to go down. Considering how fragile the whole health care system is now, it is hard to imagine how strained it will be by then.”
From the same Daily Beast article that you have quoted. I doesn’t give the statistics you cited. Source?
Physicians and other health care workers, being in the front lines of fighting all epidemics, always suffer a higher rate of illnesses and even deaths than the general population. Many behave heroically. It doesn’t prove that this seasonal infection epidemic is worse in previous years.
“This virus is also killing people of all ages. 38% of the people hospitalized are between the ages of of 20 to 54. The median age of death is 77. 20% of the people over 80 who get this disease die.”
Source for this statistic?
@ Bear Klein:”This virus is also killing people of all ages. 38% of the people hospitalized are between the ages of of 20 to 54. The median age of death is 77. 20% of the people over 80 who get this disease die.” Source for these figures?
Doctors who treat vast numbers of infectious diseases are always more likely to get these diseases than other people, for obvious reasons.
In the nineteenth century, when tuberculosis was completely incurable, many doctors died of it. Not all physicians, then or now are uncaring people. Some are always self-sacrificing in emergencies.
By the way–is this Dr. Naftali alive or dead? Has he recovered?
This virus is also killing people of all ages. 38% of the people hospitalized are between the ages of of 20 to 54. The median age of death is 77. 20% of the people over 80 who get this disease die.
@ Reader:
“The only answer to this is quality health care system without rationing for every member of society.”
On the other hand, prevention should be emphasized and people should really try to take care of their health (exercise, diet, stress management, etc.)
Summary of points below:
“Estimates have been made about the fatality rate of the coronavirus
Sometimes estimates are reasonable and sometimes they are off, way off
The current global coronavirus fatality rate is estimated at 3.4%
The same rate for the flu is 10% (but the media tells you it’s .1%)
Actual results for the coronavirus are lower than the flu
Current estimates between the flu and the coronavirus are not comparing ‘apples to apples’
Those most at risk from the coronavirus are the elderly (average age of death in 80) and the sick.”
Also from Joe Hoft’s latest article on the subject. Note statement in bold.
@ Ted Belman:
My comment didn’t appear on the page for some reason.
Could you please find it?
@ Ted Belman:
“All strategies should be directed to protecting elderly with pre-existing conditions. They alone should be isolated.”
For how long? and where? Away from their families and friends?
The thing is that these categories of people are ALWAYS at a higher risk but obviously they cannot be isolated permanently to protect them from all infections they may come in contact with. What about those who are born and live with compromised immune systems?
What about the question of their civil rights and of creating dangerous precedents of isolating whole categories of people “for their (or others’) own protection”?
Vaccinations for the elderly (and others) may have dangerous side effects. There is no guarantee of health and safety.
The only answer to this is quality health care system without rationing for every member of society.
No, this is NOT socialism or communism this is an ethical obligation.
A chart on Mr. Holt’s article that my computer could not copy shows that the lie is even bigger than in the main body of his article. It shows that of patients who were actually tested for influenza and were found to have it, 10% died. While of those who were actually tested for COVID-19 and were found to have it, only 1.6 % died. If these figures are accurate (allegedly derived from a CDC report), then it means that influenza is actually seven times more deadly than COVID-19! Incredible. What a fraud!
A new report by Mr. Hoft in Gateway Pundit casts even deeper doubt about the reality. alleged novel coronavirus crisis. ”
HELLO WORLD! Before Economy Totally Disintegrates – Will Anyone Else Notice WHO Director Made BASIC MATH ERROR in Causing Global Coronavirus Panic?”
Unfortunately, my computer will not copy a chart on Mr. Hoft’s article that is even more revealing. It shows a death rate of 1.6 % of those who were tested for coronavirus and found to have it who died, but a 10.00 per cent death rate for those who were tested for influenza and were found to have it who then died. Of course, only a
Before the US economy disintegrates into nothingness — Will any so-called expert out there also notice that the WHO Director caused a global coronavirus panic over a basic math error?
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The controversial Ethiopian politician and Director General of the World Health Organization (WHO), Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, claimed in a press conference in early March that the fatality rate for the coronavirus was many multiples that of the fatality rate of the common flu.
This egregiously false premise has led to the greatest economic panic in world history.
The Director General of the WHO spoke on March 3, 2020 and shared this related to the coronavirus:
While many people globally have built up immunity to seasonal flu strains, COVID-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity. That means more people are susceptible to infection, and some will suffer severe disease.
Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected.
Here is the video of Dr. Ghebreyesus’s remarks.
This statement led to the greatest panic in world history as the global elite media shared and repeated that the coronavirus was many, many times more deadly than the common flu.
The problem is his statement is false.
It was not accurate!
As The Gateway Pundit reported Monday, the coronavirus mortality rate reported by the media as stated by Dr. Ghebreyesus is completely inaccurate.
Here’s a summary of the analysis updated with today’s latest numbers proving the Director General’s statement was very misleading and materially false:
“N/A – not available
A look at the numbers:
** Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus used the actual number of deaths due to coronavirus divided by confirmed cases to get his 3.4% mortality rate number (from last week -since that time the mortality rate based on current reported numbers is near 4%)
** Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus then compared the actual coronavirus mortality rate to an estimated flu mortality rate of 0.1% — The US flu mortality rate is based on an estimated 22,000 deaths divided by an estimated 36 million flu cases giving a 0.1% mortality rate.
** Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus compared known numbers for coronavirus (3.4 percent mortality rate) but did not include the estimated number of those infected who are asymtomatic. This number is likely in the tens of thousands and could be in the millions! There is no way of knowing right now. One study released this week revealed that 6 of 7 people infected by coronavirus are asymptomatic! They do not know they are infected!
** Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus then compared the known numbers of 206,845 cases of coronavirus to the millions of estimated annual cases of flu cases. Again he does not include the asymtomatic cases, the 6 of 7 people infected who do not suffer severe symptoms.
** If asymtomatic cases are included in Ghebreyesus’s calculation the actual mortality rate of the coronavirus is somewhere between 0.2% to 0.8% or lower.
** Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus’s calculations of a 3.4% mortality rate is off by nearly 3.0%!
Ghebreyesus compared apples to oranges and his numbers were completely inaccurate!
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As of Wednesday morning.
There were 7,301 confirmed cases in the US.
There were 116 confirmed deaths associated with the coronavirus in the US.
The mortality rate for those two sets of numbers is 1.6%.
We also know that according to a new study by the journal Science — 6 of 7 coronavirus victims, or 86% of infections, were undocumented.
If latest study published in the Science journal is correct then the coronavirus scare will be the greatest hoax in world history causing trillions and trillions of dollars in economic damage.
The WHO and Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus need to be held responsible!”
“1. What is a Coronavirus?
Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses known to cause diseases ranging from the common cold to more serious diseases such as Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) and Acute Severe Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).
They are positive-stranded RNA viruses, with a crown-like appearance under an electron microscope. The Orthocoronavirinae subfamily of the Coronaviridae family is classified into four coronavirus (CoV) genera: Alpha-, Beta-, Delta– and Gammacoronavirus . The betacoronavirus genus is further separated into five subgenres (including Sarbecovirus ).
Coronaviruses were identified in the mid-1960s and are known to infect humans and certain animals (including birds and mammals). The primary target cells are the epithelial cells of the respiratory and gastrointestinal tract.
To date, seven Coronaviruses have proven to be able to infect humans:
Common human coronaviruses: HCoV-OC43 and HCoV-HKU1 ( Betacoronavirus) and HCoV-229E and HCoV-NL63 ( Alphacoronavirus) ; they can cause common colds but also serious lower respiratory tract infections
other human Coronaviruses ( Betacoronavirus) : SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV and 2019-nCoV (now called SARS-CoV-2).
2. What is a new Coronavirus?
A new Coronavirus (nCoV) is a new strain of coronavirus that has never previously been identified in humans. In particular, the one called SARS-CoV-2 (previously 2019-nCoV), has never been identified before being reported in Wuhan, China, in December 2019.
3. What is SARS-Cov-2?
The virus causing the current coronavirus epidemic has been called “severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2″ (SARS-CoV-2). This was announced by the International Committee on Taxonomy of Viruses (ICTV) which deals with the designation and naming of viruses (i.e. species, genus, family, etc.). The name is indicated by a group of experts specifically appointed to study the new coronavirus strain. According to this pool of scientists, the new coronavirus is the brother of what caused Sars (SARS-CoVs), hence the chosen name of SARS-CoV-2.”
From the Italian Ministry of Heath’s official web site. In other words, SARS-CoV-2″ aka “COVID-19” is a new variety of the common cold.
“Israeli virologist urges world leaders to calm public, slams ‘unnecessary panic’
‘People think this virus is going to attack them all, and then they’re all going to die,’ says Prof. Jihad Bishara. ‘Not at all. In fact, most of those infected won’t even know it’
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A leading Israeli virologist on Sunday urged world leaders to calm their citizens about the coronavirus pandemic, saying people were being whipped into unnecessary panic.
Prof. Jihad Bishara, the director of the Infectious Disease Unit at Petah Tikva’s Beilinson Hospital, said that some of the steps being taken in Israel and abroad were very important, but the virus is not airborne, most people who are infected will recover without even knowing they were sick, the at-risk groups are now known, and the global panic is unnecessary and exaggerated.
“I’ve been in this business for 30 years,” Bishara said in a Channel 12 interview. “I’ve been through MERS, SARS, Ebola, the first Gulf war and the second, and I don’t recall anything like this. There’s unnecessary, exaggerated panic. We have to calm people down.
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“People are thinking that there’s a kind of virus, it’s in the air, it’s going to attack every one of us, and whoever is attacked is going to die,” he said.
“That’s not the way it is at all. It’s not in the air. Not everyone [who is infected] dies; most of them will get better and won’t even know they were sick, or will have a bit of mucus.”
But in Israel and around the world, “everybody is whipping everybody else up into panic — the leaders, via the media, and the wider public — who then in turn start to stress out the leaders. We’ve entered some kind of vicious cycle.” ” This is from the Times of Israel. Of course, can we trust anything from a man named “Jihad Bishara?” What kind of parents would give their son this kind of name? Is he related to the Bishara who fled Israel to avoid prosecution for espionage?
On the other hand, Israel certainly can’t (rationally) be accused of “apartheid” when the head of a major department at a major Israeli hospital has this name.
Last but not least, given his position and experience, we have to take this physicians opinion seriously. If most people who contract the virus recover without even knowing they had it, it is unlikely to be anything worse or more dangerous than a common cold or flu.
On the other hand, Jonathan Tobin raises the issue of whether we should be wasting our resources on “Those who are too old to have a good chance of recovery or with few years left to live will be allowed to die.”
It is in fact common place for doctors to decide who to treat and who not to treat, when resources are limited as they always are.
@ Sebastien Zorn:
No. I think he is saying that its a matter of overkill. Pardon the pun. All strategies should be directed to protecting elderly with pre-existing conditions. They alone should be isolated. Everyone else should go about their business. Hospital beds and respirators should be reserved for such people. The rest will have to tough it out and take their chances which are pretty good.
So? How is that news? They have been saying that just as SARS targeted the young, this targets the elderly and those with pre-existing health conditions, all along. Is this author trying to say our deaths don’t matter?