What this means is that Obama wants to leverage the pressure from Hamas to force Israel to accept ’67 borders. Similarly he supported the unification agreement. Israel must find the resolve to say no. So what if the UNSC orders a ceasefire? Perhaps Russia will veto it. Hang tough Israel. Ted Belman
Hamas fires a single rocket at Ashkelon Monday morning, after a quiet night. The IDF fires back. Cabinet is in session.
By Gil Ronen, INN
7/28/2014, 9:56 AM
US President Barack Obama exerted “heavy pressure” on Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu in a phone call Sunday to end Operation Protective Edge in Gaza immediately, according to Channel 2 television.
Obama reportedly agreed to the idea of an unconditional ceasefire, to be followed by discussion of Hamas’s demands for easing of sanctions on Gaza. This is the formula that the Egyptians had offered, and which Israel favored, whereas Hamas wanted easing of sanctions to be agreed from the outset. However, Obama would not close the door on involvement by Qatar and Turkey in the negotiations, despite Israel’s opposition.
Netanyahu’s demand that Gaza be demilitarized was reportedly swept aside by Obama, who said that he saw such an arrangement as part of an overall peace deal to be reached between Israel and the Palestinians, and not as part of a ceasefire with Hamas.
According to an official US statement, Obama “made clear the strategic imperative of instituting an immediate, unconditional humanitarian ceasefire that ends hostilities now and leads to a permanent cessation of hostilities based on the November 2012 ceasefire agreement.”
“The President reaffirmed the United States’ support for Egypt’s initiative, as well as regional and international coordination to end hostilities. The President underscored the enduring importance of ensuring Israel’s security, protecting civilians, alleviating Gaza’s humanitarian crisis, and enacting a sustainable ceasefire that both allows Palestinians in Gaza to lead normal lives and addresses Gaza’s long-term development andeconomic needs, while strengthening the Palestinian Authority,” said the White House statement.
“The President stressed the U.S. view that, ultimately, any lasting solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict must ensure the disarmament of terrorist groups and the demilitarization of Gaza,” it added.
The Israeli cabinet convened Monday morning to decide whether to accept a ceasefire or opt for deepening and widening the Gaza counterterror thrust.
Hamas fired a rocket at coastal Israeli city of Ashkelon Monday morning. After sirens sounded, the rocket struck an empty area and caused no casualties or damage.
The IDF fired back with artillery at Bait Lahiya in Gaza, the area from which the rocket was fired.
There was no rocket fire at Israel from Gaza overnight.
International pressure on Israel to stop its counterterror campaign in Gaza is peaking. The United Nations Security Council called Sunday evening for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza to allow for urgent aid to reach civilians as the conflict between Israel and Hamas entered its third week.
The 15-member Council released a statement shortly after midnight Sunday calling for the truce during the Muslim Eid festival marking the end of Ramadan.
The Council expressed “strong support” for an “immediate and unconditional humanitarian ceasefire,” and urged all sides to accept and fully implement the truce.
IDF forces continue to map out terror tunnels they found and destroy them. In addition, numerous boobytrapped houses were found, as were rocket launchers.
Highly unlikely, I doubt they would even abstain
Therfore, what is the “strategic imperative” and what is the “nov 2012 ceasefire agreement”
I suspect that the strategic imperative is the Unity gov under PA control. Their road map I suspect is that Hamas is allowed to save face and claim a victory which “broke the blockade” and will then melt into the PLO as a political party. I suspect that they intend their informal demilitarization to occur under the exisitng Israel PA security agreements. whereas, PA, Israel and Egypt prefer FIRST the deposing and demilitarization of gaza.
the nov 2012 ceasefire agreement:
Agreement of Understanding For a Ceasefire in the Gaza Strip
1: (no title given for this section)
A. Israel should stop all hostilities in the Gaza Strip land, sea and air including incursions and targeting of individuals.
B. All Palestinian factions shall stop all hostilities from the Gaza Strip against Israel including rocket attacks and all attacks along the border.
C. Opening the crossings and facilitating the movements of people and transfer of goods and refraining from restricting residents’ free movements and targeting residents in border areas and procedures of implementation shall be dealt with after 24 hours from the start of the ceasefire.
D. Other matters as may be requested shall be addressed.
2: Implementation mechanisms:
A. Setting up the zero hour for the ceasefire understanding to enter into effect.
B. Egypt shall receive assurances from each party that the party commits to what was agreed upon.
C. Each party shall commit itself not to perform any acts that would breach this understanding. In case of any observations Egypt as the sponsor of this understanding shall be informed to follow up.
@ Avigail:
I shall continue to monitor your post, if I don’t respond forgive me. It is mid-morning here and I needs clean house et al.
@ Avigail:
Arutz 7 in Hebrew. Now headlines 6 killed plus several wounded badly.
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
Gracias para todos noticias
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
Shmuel, where is it reported that there are 8 victims? Can’t find it.
@ honeybee:
All is changing fast. Now the report is six killed and several wounded, some suffering mortal wounds.
Another report:
A FAJ’r 5 Iranian missile fired from Gaza failed and fell in central Gaza.
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
Thank you for the reports.
@ honeybee:
Thank you HB.
New report is that 8 people were killed a few moments ago by a Hamas mortar shell.
SHmuel HaLevi 2 Said:
As political coup ????
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
Please take care.
Avigail Said:
Who are they? I shall Google them, you have your hands full. I am so glad you to hear from you and HaLevi and know you are well.
@ honeybee:
About 35% of the people believe that Rabin was harvested by the GSS, General Security Services or SHABAK in one way or another as part of a wide conspiracy likely including key political figures.
I believe that being the case.
@ honeybee:
Rabin was assassinated by the Shabak
Seconds ago.
Seven civilians wounded, four of them suffering deadly wounds from a mortar shell fired by Hamas.
Go to hell Netanyahu and with you the rest of putrid scum around you. GO TO HELL!!!
@ yamit82:
@ Avigail:
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
I am listening to a local talk show and a Jewish commentator said that Rabin was assassinated by a, ” a crazy ultra religious right wing Jew”. Is this true?? I often think American Jews see Israeli politics through their own political prism. Corresponding with Poster on the Pundit has bee an eye opener for me for which I thank yawl.
@ the phoenix:
No. But since you just mentioned his name, I goggled to find out something about him.
No confidence should be granted to the Israeli leaders as well as to their legal liars.
As we learnt today, the Attorney General rejected the criminal investigation against the terrorist-deputy, Hanin Zoabi. According to him, Zoabi’s comments were not incitement “in all its manifestations.”
It would not be exaggerated to state that the Israeli leaders transformed Israel, from a seemingly Jewish state into an ostensible Arab state.
Netanyahu didn’t lie. He never said he would topple Hamas. He did what was realistically possible. Obama would never allow Israel to win. That was clear from Day One. The clock has run out of the current operation whether Israel likes it or not. That is reality.
@ XLucid:
Are you familiar with barry chamish?
He has successfully smashed whatever prescription glasses I may have had prior, and placed a corrective lens through which I see most everything happening now, AND CERTAINLY in the past…
Netanyahu is stretching the rubber band until midnight, our time, when many are already dozing off. SOP. Either late Fridays or after midnight…
That means only one thing…
My bet is CEASE FIRE including ghastly giveaways.
Will the mythical Motty Ashkenazy return?
That would be the miracle we need.
@ XLucid:
You are absolutely correct !
Sigh…
@ the phoenix:
That is not the case of the Israeli leaders, all they do is deliberate and on purpose.
As I have always declared, when something is for the benefit of Jews, they turn a blind eye to it.
But when something is for the benefit of Arabs, even if it is ILLEGAL and ILLEGITIMATE, they adopt it and ensure to implement it.
Their corruption in favoring Arabs and discriminating Jewish rights crossed all the red lines.
This is the reason why they should be stopped by changing all the leaders in place.
The damage they have done is considerable and irreversible, in terms of losses of lives, material losses, land losses, etc.
Somehow, the mythological creatures seem more threatening and, thus, better fit the current circumstances.
@ rsklaroff:
Just because you have chosen to use this fancyshamacy term instead of plain ‘between a rock and hard place’ does not absolve your high school buddy.
🙁
Minutes ago Netanyahu presented himself to the state TV and said that he denounced… the un call for a cease fire and that he will continue to destroy tunnels…
INFORMATION: 17 out of 32 found tunnels have been destroyed. An officer released his understanding and that is that there are hundreds of tunnels if not more.
I remain convinced that again the GoI will reach the standard conclusion to all wars… CEASE FIRE.
I disagree; BB is negotiating himself through a series of “scylla and charybdis” challenges; meanwhile, the tunnels are unearthed and he adheres to the Egyptian formula.
http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2014/07/27/israeli-prime-minister-benjamin-netanyahu-and-mohammed-stayyeh-offer-insights-on-both-sides-of-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict/
@ XLucid:
Here is yet one more member of the choir (me).
This is a Gordian knot and there is only one way to untangle this mess.
The fact that I am saying this, but do not live there, does not change this situation.
We all know einstein’s definition of insanity…
Even the worst surgeon would not KNOWINGLY, leave a sick tissue behind…
To quote shmuel’s mantra, “changing the whole combina is the only way”
Comment to avigail in moderation…
Ted please ‘demoderate’
TY.
@ SHmuel HaLevi:
I fully share your point of view.
The Israeli government is acting as a steamroller which eliminates everything in its path which relate to patriotism and nationalism.
The UnJews governing the country have infested and caused the infestation of all the country, and they depraved the fundamental values of what would have been an authentic Jewish State for authentic Jews.
I do not see any leader in Israel who would be in a position to change the rules of the game: they are all encumbered in one way or another.
In the meantime, child soldiers are killed on a daily basis, and Jewish citizens are harassed, attacked, persecuted and discriminated in all fields in any every way possible.
Question: What could be done currently taking into account all of the foregoing constraints?
@ Avigail:
And now, just to add insult to injury and rub EVEN MORE salt into the wounds:
I want to scream, “this cannot be!!!” Yet obviously it is so…
If the abomination proceeds to pass, and the proverbial ‘ motti ashkenazi ‘ does show up with the ‘million behind him’… It could still (definitely) be said that it was all for SOMETHING.
I do not want to discuss the flip side of the coin…
Surrendering on all fronts:
Attorney General Axes Criminal Investigation Against Hanin Zoabi
This is the Erev Rav. No more, no less.
the phoenix Said:
LOL. Strange, it was my first fantasy when I first heard about his pressure…
I thank you my friends for supporting rationality.
The following is a bit in jest. But not much…
I just now understood how brilliant the fellowship up there is.
They had us fooled all along.
They created a monumental military machine including thousands of generals and other such things following the most exacting doctrine. They whole system is geared to reach one and only one conclusion to every war or clash. “CEASE FIRE”.
Whole wars are set in motion, casualties accumulate, materiel is spent abundantly so the ultimate goal is reached every time.
CEASE FIRE.
Since the doctrine was adopted the great Staff has never failed on its goal. They always got to a “cease fire”.
Attaboys!
@ the phoenix:
and I may add: we have seen tons of miracles recently too. 😉
@ the phoenix:
I believe yamit is right: the aftermath may be like the Yom Kippur war’s (and if it can be worse, I’ll be happy).
Meaning: if our soldiers come back from the front knowing that their brothers have been sacrificed in vain, the next Motti Ashkenazi may have a million behind him…
Btw, there is a worldly ‘Shema Israel’ today: you are all invited to say ‘Shema Israel’ at 7:00 pm (Israeli time) for the success of our troops.
Ted,
Could you PLEASE remove the picture of this phony smiling black bastard?
I would LOVE to see a picture of IT, dangling from a rope or at least having a red laser dot on that simian forehead….
AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!
@ Avigail:
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
I understand what you’re saying but HOW? You have to topple the whole system first (and don’t believe for a minute that I’d shed a tear over the Supreme Court of Bastids or on the Knesset). Shortly put, you gotta have a ‘Jewish Spring’ here (without the bloodshed). IOW, a revolution. If not, it will be the combina all over again.
@ Avigail:
Not during nor after.
It is up to us, civilians, to take corrective actions through independent, outside the combina, elections of a new government system and Jewish leaders. None of them may be those presently part of the GoI or past members of previous ones. Not a one.
Remaining dependent on the unJews cadre will only lead to further bad ends.
@ SHmuel HaLevi 2:
FYI, you didn’t have to warn me: I’m Israeli, I know exactly who Bibi and all the currup ‘elite’ are.
What are you suggesting? A coup in the middle of a war?
Obama should keep his mouth shut and just pay his outstanding bill to China. He doesn’t know shit about Israel’s war with terrorists nor their keen intention of remaining where they are, regardless O’s intentions of pushing them into the sea. Fuck Obama and John Kerry and their ridiculous and ludicrous ideas for denouement to the problem of Islamic terrorists and their genocidal plans for the Jews of Israel.
You just hit on a bet i have with my son; i favor your outcome, but he doesn’t.
perhaps the pivotal component of BHO’s claim is that the prior “line” should be honored; i hope a buffer is maintained…for “policing” purposes.
Even if BB caves in on every other point. Israel should maintain and control a 3 kilometer line inside of Gaza.
Keep up offensive until Hamas beaten, Bennett tells IDF
Message should be directed at BB and if he doesn’t quit the government over BB’s irresponsible and blundering handling of the war then his party will also be punished in future elections..
I forgot.
Rockets are still falling from Gaza while our great leaders meet to find a way to surrender.
Another tragic waste of lives and resources by the most despicable aggregate ever.
In our area there are twelve soldiers serving in Gaza.
I have never seen such rage against the fetid scum that took their children there for nothing. Hamas was virtually left intact except for, if we are to believe the yarns, some tunnels. 43 lives taken for what? Hundreds of maimed, why?
After visiting with one family a few hours ago I would suggest to anyone in that cesspool called government that holds true alliance to our people to remove themselves from there.
Wounded Commander of the Golani Brigade returns to his brigade after release from the Hospital.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qewziL6j88s
It’s obvious that the FAA closing our only outlet (commercial)to the outside world even if it was for a day or so really shook BB to the bone. Obama has other leverage levers to pull and BB is the weakest most compliant Vassal America has ever had as a PM in Israel… Lose Lose for Israel win win for Obama and Islam.
Mosab Hassan Yousef (Son of Hamas Founder) tells the truth about Hamas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KakxXN5Z-XI
It’s difficult to blame BB for whatever hasn’t been done, in light of BHO’s intransigence.
@ Avigail:
I warned from the word go. Again to no avail… for now.
Allowing the Netanyahu gangs, in and out of uniform to “lead” against those Islamic beasts that the same gangs are partners with, was bound to end this way, or worse.
Minister Shamir closed the book on it. Tzahal did not complete its tasks. Imagine the same crew telling you they will deal with Iran!?!?!
Netanyhau will never allow the destruction of enemies of the Jews. He much rather destroy Jewish villages, homes, families, farms…
Keeping that gruesome character there is suicidal and that just cost the lives of 43 of our best and hundreds of wounded. Add two hundred “victims of peace” to the unJews “painful sacrifices”. They are now close to two thousand since Oslo.
“A Senior Officer claimed ‘We Have All of the Attack Tunnels,’ although he feels a few more days are needed to dispose of the remaining tunnels.”
https://www.israpundit.org/archives/63598617
Thus, if a few innovations [such as monitoring for future tunnels] are implemented, can this be perceived as having achieved the goal of “quiet”?
Members of the Govt are already talking of the op as a thing of the past:
Ministers: We Should Have Attacked Harder
It’s over, guys: 43 of our soldiers dead for nothing. 133 injured or maimed for nothing.